Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote
andrew

I caught us the scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote
vote HopOnMyJoystick

Since I will have to bus you and carry your ass to victory at some point any way!
^^Joke from last game

Also that gets all my OMGUS out of the way

[drmyshottyizsik]

Vote: 2003041

I don't trust numbers.

SCUM!!
Numbers are the only thing the world can trust!

[drmyshottyizsik]

^go band wagon go!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Please!!^^^
I hope he claims watcher, so then we know he is a VT

[drmyshottyizsik]

Please!!^^^
I hope he claims watcher, so then we know he is a VT

So, you know andrew's town?

UNVOTE: ooBAZoo
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik

No but when andrew is scum, he claims he is acting that way because he's a VI, and when he's town he fake claims a town PR. I have meta if you want it

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote
vote nameloc

how oppertunistic of you sir

[drmyshottyizsik]

1)Yes
2)NK who ever pisses me off
3)Because I'm scum dummy!![/sarcasm]

Ok so now that you pointless questions are out of the way, we are exactly where we were before them! YAY!!!!! Go You!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also that gets all my OMGUS out of the way

Apparently you lied here.

No I gave a reason

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also that gets all my OMGUS out of the way

Apparently you lied here.

No I gave a reason

Me being "opportunistic" is not a reason, it's an excuse to OMGUS vote.

All reason are just justified excuses

[drmyshottyizsik]

@shotty: Why is loc's vote "opportunistic"?

Because that was a really easy shot for scum to slip onto a wagon with a "reason", and push a mislynch

[drmyshottyizsik]

you learn quick

[drmyshottyizsik]

exactly so know we have gotten no where, and we are right where we started, also now there is a wagon on a town person, with no reasoning, and this sucks.
Also anti hero, your deffending of name is noted

[drmyshottyizsik]

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Did you really just do this sir???
God not only did you just epicly sheep, but what am I at L-1 now? or is it L-2?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Sure, why not

unvote
vote: Shotty

Why are you so quick to follow him?

[drmyshottyizsik]

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Did you really just do this sir???
God not only did you just epicly sheep, but what am I at L-1 now? or is it L-2?

my vote count shows only 3 votes for you, overreaction much?

I missed name's unvote

[drmyshottyizsik]

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Did you really just do this sir???
God not only did you just epicly sheep, but what am I at L-1 now? or is it L-2?

Who am I sheeping? I'm just trying to get people talking about something other than policy lynches, which we should agree is a crappy option.

That said, Jason why did you vote shotty?

When you said hey how about you vote shotty or hop.

[drmyshottyizsik]

meh, i was asking for opinions. The fact that jason didn't give any looks kind of bad. BTW, wouldn't jason be sheeping me?

New reads: shotty and CKD are town, joystick is scum

UNVOTE: shotty
VOTE: joystick

how do you have reads on him at all? he has only posted six times

P-Edit=Ninja'd

I've only play with joy when we were scum together.

[drmyshottyizsik]

policy lynching = epic fail

So, jason, how about a shotty or joystick wagon?

Did you really just do this sir???
God not only did you just epicly sheep, but what am I at L-1 now? or is it L-2?

my vote count shows only 3 votes for you, overreaction much?

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote
vote andrew

[drmyshottyizsik]

hey andrew you should join this marathon game
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=15464

[drmyshottyizsik]

I wouldn't take shotty's inactivity as that big of a shock. I did some further checking on him and he's in at least EIGHT FRICKIN GAMES currently. I think the best thing to do is ask the mod for a prod on him and move on.

@mod: can you prod shotty?

I know it may seem early for a prod but I don't want to play with someone who's not going to have time for this game!

Name I'm in 4 dumb ass, and I'm sorry.
I was on a date last night, sorry!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.

Andrew, out of all these games you have been lynched on day 1.... whats your scum/town ratio IE how many times have you been scum and how many times have you been town.. And how many times have you fake claimed, as town?

all town, once scum.

fakeclaimed about the same amounts as davidparker

shut up!!
You fake claim in 75% of your games

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also the reason that I put Andrew @ L-2 is simple, I can not show you posts that make him scum, but it is very obvious that he at least is playing anti-town.
He is a detriment and should be dealt with while we can still afford a mis lynch. We have about a 33% chance that we get rid of scum and a 100% chance that we get rid of anti-town

[drmyshottyizsik]

Also the reason that I put Andrew @ L-2 is simple, I can not show you posts that make him scum, but it is very obvious that he at least is playing anti-town.
He is a detriment and should be dealt with while we can still afford a mis lynch. We have about a 33% chance that we get rid of scum and a 100% chance that we get rid of anti-town

you don't think it will be easier to tell what he is after another set of night actions? of you just want to get it over with now and not have to worry about it?

Get it over with NOW!!!!
If you guys would like I can post meta to support this

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wow I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't

Seriously I think saving him for later is still a good idea but I think he is suspicious. The other wagon on anti-hero I just don't feel is valid, so I decided to stick with Andrew. Andrew's meta is same for town and scum will only confuse us later in the game.

Scum tell right here, Joy you have no need to please any one unless you are scum, as town you just need to focus on scum hunting.

[drmyshottyizsik]

technically day one as a whole is one big rvs cause very rarely does anyone scum slip bad enough where you actually nail scum.

It starts with one person randomly picking up something someone else said and saying, hmm I think that is scummy I will vote, and than others agree or disagree and people start looking for their own things but in the end it is all random

2nd - Shotty was the one who said mislynch, I was basically using his own words

Also the reason that I put Andrew @ L-2 is simple, I can not show you posts that make him scum, but it is very obvious that he at least is playing anti-town.

He is a detriment and should be dealt with while we can still afford a mis lynch.

We have about a 33% chance that we get rid of scum and a 100% chance that we get rid of anti-town

3rd - that was a little policy lynch humor

but thanks for pointing it out that shotty used that word like he was sure andrew was town, cause how else would he know it was a mis-lynch

unvote - vote shotty

Tehehe keep on slipping Joy. And learn to think for your self.

unvote
vote Joy

[drmyshottyizsik]

I wouldn't take shotty's inactivity as that big of a shock. I did some further checking on him and he's in at least EIGHT FRICKIN GAMES currently. I think the best thing to do is ask the mod for a prod on him and move on.

@mod: can you prod shotty?

I know it may seem early for a prod but I don't want to play with someone who's not going to have time for this game!

Name I'm in 4 dumb ass, and I'm sorry.
I was on a date last night, sorry!!

First off, don't call me a dumb ass when you don't even know how many games you are in. You are in 6 (2 of them I checked earlier the mods didn't update the game over status). I'll list them:

Open 258 (this one)
Open 259
Mini 1068
Ocarina of Time Mafia
Newbie 1014
Open 252

So no, I'm not a dumb ass but apparently you are.

Anywho, you're wanting Andrew lynched as a policy lynch is very laughable when you yourself are a dumbass and haven't been very pro-town yourself. Especially if you want Andrew lynched without ANY real evidence against him. Pot calling the kettle black perhaps?

252 ended, and I didn't count OoT because my hydra buddy is doing most of the work for now

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wow I'm damned if I do and damned if I don't

Seriously I think saving him for later is still a good idea but I think he is suspicious. The other wagon on anti-hero I just don't feel is valid, so I decided to stick with Andrew. Andrew's meta is same for town and scum will only confuse us later in the game.

Scum tell right here, Joy you have no need to please any one unless you are scum, as town you just need to focus on scum hunting.

I have been one of the few scum-hunting in this game but every time I do something, somebody questions it, i am sorry you don't think like i do but nothing I have done is scummy in my opinion.

1. I am suspicious of Andrew, mostly cause of his meta but also cause of the way he takes things and tries to turn it around on them
2. Yes my vote on andrew originally was during rvs and I unvoted when shotty's vote seemed opportunistic
3. yes I am the one who said originally we should save andrew for later but i forgot that by doing that we are forcing power roles to waste their night abilities on him, when we can just easily lynch him and see if he is scum or not
4. this is why I voted for him again, I still think of him as being scummy this game so why not lynch him and see what he is and let the PRs do their job on the people they think are scummy

@ nameloc - Shotty was the one saying it was a mis-lynch first and he seemed pretty sure of it, all I did was use his wording in my post, I was at the bowling alley at the time and was on my phone so it did not dawn on me at the time what he had said. I wish I would have caught it before you accused me of the scum-slip, however it doesn't change the fact that Shotty was the one who seemed so sure. It is clear from my post I was referencing his post and using his terminology.

@shotty - I try to think for myself but if somebody makes a good point, I am never supposed to agree with it?

No hop you are supposed to agree with what you think is right, but all you have been doing is acting scummy and doing what ever it takes in order to please the majority

[drmyshottyizsik]

tell me how I have acted scummy?
and show me how I have done ANYTHING to please anyone?

read the last two pages and look at who's idias you followed, and how opportunistic you were

[drmyshottyizsik]

^^IIoA

[drmyshottyizsik]

tell me how I have acted scummy?
and show me how I have done ANYTHING to please anyone?

read the last two pages and look at who's idias you followed, and how opportunistic you were

I didn't really follow your idea, you just said something that to me made sense.

I didn't follow anyone else's idea, I was accused of saying something, when I basically regurgitated what you had said. so I voted you since you were the one who seemed so sure lynching andrew was a mislynch

how are you so sure lynching andrew is a mislynch anyway? your post seemed pretty sure it would be

I was gambitting this whole time to see if I could get you to slip, I am SOOOOOO against policy lynches

[drmyshottyizsik]

Information instead of Analysis

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wow, isn't that interesting you show up and put me at L-1

I still do not feel this wagon on me is a good one, the reasons are iffy at best.

Yeah I thought lynching Andrew today isn't the best idea but I never said I would not lynch him, nobody else shared my view point on it so I just moved on. I thought what shotty said made sense and put my vote back on him


I am a watcher

Die scum!!!!
I am the F'ing watcher!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

^There are 2, shotty.

*facepalm*

you ruined my gambit!!
I'm not a watcher, I just wanted to see how he would react

[drmyshottyizsik]

yet another gambit? like I said, gambits are run by scum not by town

Not necessarily true, but I do think shotty's gambits aren't that well thought out.

@shotty: What kind of reaction were you expecting to get from Joystick?

I was hoping for him to
A) Either say no bull shit I am!
or
B) Slip up and say, I was just kidding.

Also I still think that he is scum, because this is the only thing that scum would fake claim as correct?
Hop remember back to double cop?
We were scum buddies remember?
Ya we used the same tactic, and fake claimed the only double power role!
I still like my vote

[drmyshottyizsik]

shit andrew got our most powerful PR... SHIT!

[drmyshottyizsik]

@jason
i prob fake claimed about 3/4 or more times as town.
i investigated hop because i felt like it


predit edit: dr, how is it the most powerful pr...
the only way i t hought to make use of it was to force a lynch on hop and force him to claim. if he claims pr then hes scum

that's why it's powerful
Also just a point, Andrew usually(When I've seen him do it) only fake claims when L-1 or L-2

[drmyshottyizsik]

yet another gambit? like I said, gambits are run by scum not by town

i know your not a pr. u say ur a watcher. if your a townie, you dont make the gambits i usually make. SO...

ur scum


MOAR VOTES LA
me genius at scumhunting

your lucky ass, got lucky. You are NOT good

[drmyshottyizsik]

O WHAT , HOW DO U KNOW I JUST CAUGHT HOP THE SCUM


2nd scum right there...
im so awesome

WOW!! REALLY!>!>!???
Because for once I believe you andrew and if you are telling the truth then by default he=scum

[drmyshottyizsik]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: CKD

andrew, I think I now know why some people are in favor of policy lynching.

anti and all
HE IS COMEFIRMED SCUM(HOP)

[drmyshottyizsik]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: CKD

andrew, I think I now know why some people are in favor of policy lynching.

anti and all
HE IS COMEFIRMED SCUM(HOP)

Why aren't you taking into consideration that Andrew might be lying?

Because although he is umb and fakes claims when pressured, he doesn't name claim out of no where.
And if we lynch Hop and he is town, then all that has to happed is we lynch andrew tommorow and it's worth it

[drmyshottyizsik]

WE NEED TO LYNCH HOP NOW!
@Andrew I am giving you one chance to with draw your claim, and if you dont it's full on tunneling hop

[drmyshottyizsik]

no hop you are scummy as hell though

unvote

so i can ask this question.
Who did you watch and with what result?

[drmyshottyizsik]

who visitted me?
This will confirm you as scum or town

[drmyshottyizsik]

Zden and anti, I would like an answer to this before the hammer.

when/if Hop flips town...what is your stance on my vote...

I Know this wasn't directed at me, but I'd like some clarification on a few things.
Why do you say "when/if" Hop flips town, and not just "if"? (This has confused me slightly, you don't think Hop is town do you?)
Why do you say "my vote"? Your vote is on Joystick (at least I was at the time, right?), but so was a number of other people's, and there seemed to be a general consensus that he is "our" D1 lynch.
Why ask this of just Zden and Anti? (Anti's vote was also on Hop, and Zden said he's willing to hammer, so surely their "stance" is the same as yours anyway).
I think I've confused myself in my tired state, but I really don't understand why you've asked this question, nor why its worded as it is.

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Pre-Edit sir. It means this is about what i saw in the preview screen when i was ninja'd.

Also yes I really think Hop need to claim who "visitted me"

lynch nameloc, ckd, or someone else and I'll try and prove myself worthy tomorrow

Unfortunately, with the setup we have, there's no real way for a watcher to "prove" themselves. You could easily lie about your night actions, and we'd be none the wiser as to whether to trust you or not.

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post-edit (or whatever)

Joystick, don't out another power role

[drmyshottyizsik]

Shall I out the person who visited shotty?

Don't think that would be good this early

I agree; regardless of whether you are a watcher or scum, scum already know way too much about the Power roles.

who visitted me?
This will confirm you as scum or town

@Shotty - No it wont confirm anything, he could just lie. Don't put your own self-preservation before the town.

This is not self preservation at all!!!!
First off one reason we need to know is so we can ask them to confirm or not.(Outing one PR is worth killing one of the scums). Secondly, I doubt, even if we all ask him too, that he will tell us

[drmyshottyizsik]

I disagree. We'd be putting scum in a very advantageous position for their night kills, all to see whether Joystick is lying or not.
I think we should give andrew a chance to post. If he maintains that Joystick is scum, then we should lynch him without endangering any more PRs.

no let hop say his results before dieing, this way we will be 100% sure on the him or andrew thing

[drmyshottyizsik]

Bazz, the reason I asked those two about hop is because both are accusing me of bussing (I find this type of heat interesting, considering there has been a flip yet)..I asked them what their position on me would be when/if hop flipped town because i wanted to see if they would still say I was scummy...

if hop DOES flip town, pretty sure at this point shotty is scum....

No at this point Andrew is scum,
And STOP SETTING UP THE WHOLE IF HE FLIPS THIS OUR THAT, IT SIMPLY TELLS SCUM WHO TO KILL, AND MAKES YOU LOOK SCUMMY!!!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

I am not outing the other name, would not be fair to give andrew even more of an advantage knowing who all the town power roles are

Hop right now you are scum, and you always will be unless you answer my question

[drmyshottyizsik]

I am not outing the other name, would not be fair to give andrew even more of an advantage knowing who all the town power roles are

Hop right now you are scum, and you always will be unless you answer my question

what question? the one who visited, I won't answer, if you asked another I missed it

Hop you are so scummy

vote hop

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hop you are so scummy

vote hop

Why the sudden flip from above, to below in less than a page.. either Andrew is scum, or JS is scum.

No at this point Andrew is scum,

And STOP SETTING UP THE WHOLE IF HE FLIPS THIS OUR THAT, IT SIMPLY TELLS SCUM WHO TO KILL, AND MAKES YOU LOOK SCUMMY!!!!!!

Which one is it to you? Or do you think they could both be scum?

Yes they both could be scum, but I was saying that inrefrence to another post that was "if hop flips town shotty is our scum"

[drmyshottyizsik]

cmon shottty

do as i requested and i will unvote

[drmyshottyizsik]

So you will unvote if he outs ANOTHER possible role...

jesus..

I will unvote so he doesn't get hammered before who he out agree's/disagree's

[drmyshottyizsik]

me tooooo............ :sadface:

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew only one needs to watch you

[drmyshottyizsik]

true

[drmyshottyizsik]

So... we got nothing.
Andrew what say you?

[drmyshottyizsik]

I wasn't asking him to claim his results. I just wanted to know what he thought about this, also I think the hider REALLY! need to claim, also any CC's for hider should be voiced as well seeing as how the mafia already knows who the hider is.(unless they targeted no one)

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew how do you know that?

[drmyshottyizsik]

i admit I was role fishing but with a pro town reason

[drmyshottyizsik]

i admit I was role fishing but with a pro town reason

which is?

let's leave it at that for now please

[drmyshottyizsik]

vote antihero

if you dont get what I'm hinting at then you are dumb

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yep andrew I am.

BTW I think he just confirmed me as town

[drmyshottyizsik]

-_- Shotty, you're pathetic, seriously. By the mere chance you are VT and just making shit up, I wouldn't mind going for a policy lynch right now.

really?? wow don't even start this!

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think we should mass claim

[drmyshottyizsik]

I think we should mass claim

what's the point?

because then we have scum narrowed down to 4 people, and if we guess right one of the two days we win!
And today before we lynch some one we set up a fool proof scum catching thing at night that forces scum to either not NK or to be caught

[drmyshottyizsik]

yes but scum won't claim vanilla unless they are dumb!

p-edit=ninja'd

Ya, actually both should claim

p-edit again=ninja'd again

Right now it's Bazz and Anti
Bazz because of elimination and Anti for obv reasons
about your other question +scum points for you
I think you just role fished

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok yes I claim watcher
and the reason my role fishing was pro town is because i was hoping i could get a little pr slip so i could watch them. I knew the scum would not kill andrew because they weren't dumb, so I watched Bazz and nobody visitted him.

Also the other watcher should not claim right now!!!!!!!!!!!!

tonight I will watch andrew and the other watcher HAS to watch me so the the scum is forced to not kill me or andrew.

Also I really think anti is scum.
Why did he point out how scummy jason was but now he's not voting him?

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh i mis read one of your posts

unvote
vote ckd

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok before I vote jason(hammer or not?)
I want to make this clear!
I watch andrew!
Other watcher watch me!
Andrew check out CKD!
Name hide behind me!

Jason it's time to claim

[drmyshottyizsik]

No I do not

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok so I think anti is scum, end of story.
Also the hider should not hide behind me because then all scum has to do is kill me and two townies die. Hide behind someone else so that only one will die

[drmyshottyizsik]

unvote
vote anti

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew already checked me out name

[drmyshottyizsik]

Wait then how did andrew know I was telling the truth?

[drmyshottyizsik]

andrew tell me now

[drmyshottyizsik]

me too

[drmyshottyizsik]

of course they will kill confirmed town
otherwise 2morrow they will be outnumbered confrimed town > unconfirmed town

so no point guarding unconfirmed town cos they are not going to be killed

yes but if all confirmed town is 100% gaurded, then scum will kill unconfirmed!!!!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Hold up. It seems like everyone's going round acting like shotty's a confirmed watcher. If andrew didn't check him out last night then there's no reason to suspect that he is scum. Obviously he'd be uncounterclaimed, because each watcher knows there are two watchers so will be assuming he's the other.

so I watched Bazz and nobody visitted him

This seems very convenient.
@Shotty - since he was our only confirmed PR, why didn't you watch andrew? If you did, surely you would not only be protecting him, but you'd most likely also know who the other watcher is, so you'd be able to confirm them if they claim, or coordinate your night action if they were outed.

Whilst I maintain that he

]could

be one of the watchers, I don't think we should be taking it as fact until we have some proof.

I didn't watch Andrew because I knew he would not be targetted, because scum aren't that dumb so I chose you, mainly due to the fact that if you died then that would leave the town right were they were because you are super null. Tonight I will flip a coin between watching Andrew and Person X and the other watcher should do so as well, but his person X should be me. This way we have a chance at confirming each other, and also this pervents the scum from having a 100% chance of killing a PR with out getting caught. And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

[drmyshottyizsik]

And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

How would that be dumb?

because then if scum will 100% fo so kill me.
Thus you die two.

[drmyshottyizsik]

just a general question

why shouldn't we lynch Zdenek?

[drmyshottyizsik]

/bah
SEE I TOLD YOU NOT TO HIDE BEHIND ME NAME!

[drmyshottyizsik]

Yay town wins!

[drmyshottyizsik]

i sucked at watching people