Open 258 --- Night Watch --- Game Over

[andrew94]

vote hop

cry wolf!!

[andrew94]

personally I'm a fan of quick day 1s and lynching VT on day 1 but that is just how I was taught, although I'm learning over here

I am in the minority

so adjusting my game has been interesting

explain bolded part.

ckd, can u explain what you meant by reading zdenek's posts?.

[andrew94]

no, u said 'you are in the minority'

[andrew94]

Your trying to hard Andrew

I learned to play on another site where day 1 if we bw a vt, wr lynch and move on

over herei see people let VTs live and a new bw is formed, it seems to happen more often so people here don't follow that theory hence I'm in the minority

er stop with the insults or i shall start.
when i looked at your post 'minority' i thought instantly to 'uninformed minority' aka town, therefore i felt you were trying too hard to be town

[andrew94]

nameloc jumps all over the place. ckd apparently misreads and leavs his vote there for the whole day.


@oobazzoo what do u mean

[andrew94]

nope what do u mean by 'didnt follow up', i asked him to explain it, and on the same post i asked ckd what he meant, i then continuously replied to hop , whilst he hasnt replied yet

[andrew94]

my post 1 2 and 3 were 'follow ups'
and my post 4 was just noting nameloc's jumping around?
after post 3 hop hasnt replied to my thing yet

[andrew94]

nameloc has upped in my scum read as he is trying to get everyone to ignore me by naming me VI.
i have seen this tactic in a finished newbie game where a person convinces the others to completely ignore someone else due to 'vi'
i no like


preview edit: what? so i get lynched in about 8 games as townie on day1 to win in this game? huh, it makes no sense to me

[andrew94]

how am i lying? i believe u misundersstand the so called follow up of posts '1 2 and 3' hop hasnt replied to my last, therefore i just talked about nameloc

explain #110

[andrew94]

nice, u havent said a word to me apart from random vote, and you vote on me

[andrew94]

yea ill in if you start 1 hour from now, ( i gotta shower and stuff within this hour)


p.s. cbf typing in there so just add me in

[andrew94]

nameloc has upped in my scum read as he is trying to get everyone to ignore me by naming me VI.
i have seen this tactic in a finished newbie game where a person convinces the others to completely ignore someone else due to 'vi'
i no like


preview edit: what? so i get lynched in about 8 games as townie on day1 to win in this game? huh, it makes no sense to me

1) I'm not trying to get people to ignore you, I'm just trying to warn people that you are an idiot. It was really meant to mean whether you are a townie or scum.

2) If I was "scum" trying to get people to ignore you, it would be because of you being scum. Scumslip maybe?

Seeing as how you are a popular Day 1 lynch, I'm not going to vote you just yet, but you're definitely tempting me.

FOS: Andrew

when you warn ppl that im an idiot, they tend to not listen to me- if your scum u just made ppl not listen to me

point 2- er wtf? your scum getting people to ignore me- town guy

[andrew94]

and yes, i was referring to ur nascar thingee

[andrew94]

Andrew, you never really answered my original question about your attack on HOMJ. Why did you make such a half-hearted attack on what would have been a monumental scumslip?

ok so someone says 'so theres 2 scum left...' in an open game or 'im scum'
and your supposed to think 'OMG THATS TOO BIG SCUMSLIP therefore cant be scumslip.

no way, every little time counts.
i didnt make half hearted attempt, he hasnt replied to my last thing

[andrew94]

er stop with the insults or i shall start.
when i looked at your post 'minority' i thought instantly to 'uninformed minority' aka town, therefore i felt you were trying too hard to be town

i think it was this. he hasnt replied yet

[andrew94]

I don't really think Anti-Hero 'jumped' on me as it has been put. He asked a question of me nothing more, however I explained my reasons.

Andrew, out of all these games you have been lynched on day 1.... whats your scum/town ratio IE how many times have you been scum and how many times have you been town.. And how many times have you fake claimed, as town?

all town, once scum.

fakeclaimed about the same amounts as davidparker

[andrew94]

i have about 8 games too Oo

[andrew94]

dude hop, in this game prs cant determine scum so what do you mean 'forcing prs to waste night actions on me'

[andrew94]

@jason i have forgetton the exact number of times i fakeclaimed for the greater good

make case on jason later...

[andrew94]

do dry-fit, if hop said 'i am scum' would you not regard it as a scumslip?
cos from the moment i saw that 'minorty' post- i thought = =

but after his explaining, i thought = . =

case on jason even later...

[andrew94]

hoponmyjoystick is NOT a watcher

he is 'vanilla'

[andrew94]

dude, i am a rolecop.
i investigated hoponymjoystick randomly
i got a 'non power role' aka vanilla (so he can be vanilla townie/vanilla goon)

he just claimed watcher.
he is not a power role
i am the rolecop
he is lying

vote hop

[andrew94]

So if Andrew is VT and he just "fakeclaimed" RC, he just risked the counterclaim of the "real" RC. The fact that Andrew has faked claimed at least once before goes to show that he's capable of doing it again. "Stupid is as stupid does." We need to be really careful with this and how we handle it.

stop defending your scum buddy hop.
why would i randomly claim cop. i was trying to get hop to L 1 at the start (hence my pick on his minority post) so he coudl claim something
and bravo- he claims a power role, when he is NOT A power role. = scum

[andrew94]

@jason
i prob fake claimed about 3/4 or more times as town.
i investigated hop because i felt like it


predit edit: dr, how is it the most powerful pr...
the only way i t hought to make use of it was to force a lynch on hop and force him to claim. if he claims pr then hes scum

[andrew94]

yet another gambit? like I said, gambits are run by scum not by town

i know your not a pr. u say ur a watcher. if your a townie, you dont make the gambits i usually make. SO...

ur scum


MOAR VOTES LA
me genius at scumhunting

[andrew94]

O WHAT , HOW DO U KNOW I JUST CAUGHT HOP THE SCUM


2nd scum right there...
im so awesome

[andrew94]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: CKD

andrew, I think I now know why some people are in favor of policy lynching.

anti and all
HE IS COMEFIRMED SCUM(HOP)

Why aren't you taking into consideration that Andrew might be lying?

Because although he is umb and fakes claims when pressured, he doesn't name claim out of no where.
And if we lynch Hop and he is town, then all that has to happed is we lynch andrew tommorow and it's worth it

this is incorrect.all i know that he is not a power role. he claimed power role. he said town dont gambit/lie and stuff. therefore he is mafiagoon. if hes townie, how is that my fault?
oppourtunistic shotty scum+ retarded hop combo might be possible

[andrew94]

ur self vote is full of scum trying to hammer himself to stop discussion


sus list:

jason
shotty
etc

[andrew94]

i confirm that i am the role cop and that hop is not a power role.
he is either a lying townie or a scum.

he has repeatedly said he is a watcher. he is not a power role. he also said town shouldnt fakeclaim/gambit. therefore he is scum.

@ for those that dont know: role cop only tells whether he is powerole or not

[andrew94]

my case on jason: you spent half the day going after me and saying that im using my vi ness to escape notice. you also say i fakeclaim often in an attempt to discredit my claim. then suddenly u believe my claim.


this applies to other ppl who refers to my vi ness and fakeclaining. every game is different.

[andrew94]

both watcher watch me.

[andrew94]

dude nameloc, whats the watcher for- its for watching confirmed townies.

what about night 0 , did u hide or not.

finally, emp king is scum as well. i know this for a fact

[andrew94]

the hider dies if he hides behind mafia / person being killed.

therefore if hider doesnt die, the person he hides behind dies.


empking is scum becos joystick wants to replace him

[andrew94]

i meant 'therefore if hider doesnt die, the person he hides behind is town'


anyway, i really hope the 2 watchers both watched me because then they would know who each other is. (this is double confirmation plan)

if not, this is the plan. tonight, nameloc hide behind me 2 watchers both watch me


scernoia 1: they dont kill me --> nameloc is safe + watchers know each other
scernoia 2: they kill me --.nameloc dies as well = the next day, the watcher looks at his number, and the 2 ppl that visited andrew's house (the other watcher and the mafia)
ooBAZZoo 1
andrew94 2
curiouskarmadog 3
jasonT1981 4
drmyshottyizsik 5
Empking 2003041 6
Dry-fit 7
Zdenek 8
nameloc1986 9
Antihero 10


these are the numbers. for example, zdenek is a watcher and he saw that antihero and dry-fit went to my house (and i died)
he is number 8, anti hero is number 10 and dry fit is number 7. he keeps quiet. he lets dry fit talk first.

if dry fit is the other watcher, he will reveal ONE name , the one that is the middle highest number (in this case its zdenek)
then zdenek (if he is the other watcher, he will reveal the 2nd name) - if hes mafia, obviously he cannot guess who the other watcher is, and therefore is scum.

basically, this causes a trade off between me, nameloc and 1 mafia, the 2 watchers also know each other. they then watch each other forever, causing the other mafia to be unable to kill them. 2 watchers > 1 mafia

get it?
therefore we shall not lynch a watcher nor force anyone to claim watcher.
we will lynch the person i investigated last night and i got 'NOt power role'- so he cant be watcher.


pro plan.
ask if u dont understand

[andrew94]

dam, i thought empking was scum = =

there goes the perfect win = =

[andrew94]

whats the chance that they kill one of the watchers

2/9.

like i said, if the watchers fcking watched me last night like they were supposed to, they can totally not follow this plan.
they can work out who each other are already, following the number plan, the lower number watch me, and the higher number watch nameloc or someshit

[andrew94]

that looks like bussing aye

[andrew94]

dude, as if anyone would fakeclaim watcher now

[andrew94]

i know who you are, stop bs'ing

[andrew94]

cough* shotty ur townie * RIGHT

[andrew94]

i mean ShoTty your nOt actually the watcher right (cough cough*)
Peace bros.
FUCKING
Come Lads Andrew Is Me o.o

[andrew94]

no look:

10ppl left

confirmed : nameloc me empking 2 watcher

5 ppl left. that is NOT a majority.
no mass claim plz

[andrew94]

or maybe.. just maybe... we can have 1 watcher claim and tell us if they actually followed my plan and both watched me or not

[andrew94]

yes but scum won't claim vanilla unless they are dumb!

huh?

[andrew94]

nah, if we are gonna mass claim start with only 1 watcher that says wtf happened last night. i'd perfer it'd be the watcher that i dont know is the watcher to reveal himself.

BUT DONT DO ANYTHING YET...

[andrew94]

ffs idiot read my breadcrumb of capital letters

[andrew94]

how did i misled u

[andrew94]

well.. im not going to tell scum whether shotty is a watcher or not- we are just not lynching him.
zedenek why voting for jason


look, are we going to lynch the 'vanilla' person or not

[andrew94]

case against jason is good i guess

vote jason

to clarify antihero is sus too

[andrew94]

firstly, both watchers should have watched me last night
facepalm/

secondly, if shotty gets killed, nameloc dies too.
thirdly, i like case on jason over the case on ckd over the case of antihero

forthly, im checking myself to see if im a power role (so im not a threat so dont kill me plx thanks)

[andrew94]

antihero claim...

[andrew94]

antihero u fail at reverse physology. so what if you are telling the truth

die!

[andrew94]

yes, obs the best effect of my role is to get you to claim

vote antihero

[andrew94]

if we move to a new wagon, we risk another watcher outing themselves

no

[andrew94]

forthly, im checking myself to see if im a power role (so im not a threat so dont kill me plx thanks)

WTF? I may be a slight noob, but this makes no sense to me. Why would you do that?

---

Also, how has Shotty's watcher claim slipped by? andew you've been contradicting yourself, saying at one point you got a 'no power role' last night, and that we should lynch this vanilla player (who you haven't yet revealed, unless I'm mistaken), yet you are also saying that we shouldn't lynch Shotty, implying that you confirm his watcher claim?
Explain yourself.

1) i was obs joking
2) im not saying who is what and what (no helping scum s niper)

[andrew94]

i didnt check u dr = =


and nameloc, it is worthless for a watcher to watch someone else, because scum is surely not going to kill an unconfirmed person.

[andrew94]

no, if the scum kills the unconfirmed people, we will have 5 confirmed ppl tomorrow against 3 unconfirmed

[andrew94]

of course they will kill confirmed town
otherwise 2morrow they will be outnumbered confrimed town > unconfirmed town

so no point guarding unconfirmed town cos they are not going to be killed

[andrew94]

we only have 1/5 chance of o=ther watcher dying

[andrew94]

And Name don't hide behind me, that would be dumb

How would that be dumb?

because then if scum will 100% fo so kill me.
Thus you die two.

this is why the other watcher MUST watch you if nameloc hides behind u.

[andrew94]

if we dont lynch him, the mafia wouldnt kill him

[andrew94]

ckd, are u even reading the thread? nameloc said he w ould hide behind shotty now = =

[andrew94]

the other watcher should have watched shotty as we said, or im /f r his/her ass

[andrew94]

the scum obviously decided to sacrifice one of their own to destroy the 2 watchers combo, so the other watcher better have watched shotty

[andrew94]

vote ckd

[andrew94]

alright, in advance in case of my death tonight, i have decided to out myself as the actual watcher.

what happened on night 0 is so complicated that you guys cannot comprehend.
firstly, on night 0 i watched hop, and i saw shotty and dry-fit there.
hop didnt die.
on shotty's first post, he voted for me. this told me that shotty was the other watcher, and watched hop and saw me there.
dry-fit , not voting for me in rvs, but instead voting for me in an actual case, made me think he was in fact, not the watcher but the cop.

anyway, when hop proceeded to claim watcher, i didnt want dry fit to out himself, so i decided to fakeclaim = =
and hop got lynched
because dry-fit also went to hop's house, he would know that hop is in fact, not a watcher, so obv he didnt need to claim cop or CC me = = (thank you for your understanding)

and then last night, i watched shotty and saw ckd, nameloc and dry fit visit the house.
knowing that nameloc and dry fit are innocent, ckd is the scum.

i personally think dry- fit was pretty smart to figure out this ruse, and so he fakeclaimed watcher and ( i think he suspected ckd cos of antihero) and said that result.
so, im saying this cos if i died tonight and flipped watcher, dry fit would be in so much deep shit, so im explaining it







p.s. ckd is a good player i think? so allowing him to sacrifice himself means that the other scum is much more smarter


cough cough*

[andrew94]

what????

[andrew94]

i did it for the good of the game, so dry fit didnt have to out himself

[andrew94]

read my paragraph
dry fit is the role cop

[andrew94]

dude, read the paragraph properly.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and ckd is confirmed scum

and ur prob his partner

[andrew94]

regardless, ckd is scum

[andrew94]

= =

firstly, ckd is scum - who disagrees

2ndly, dry fit knows im the watcher becos of my day 1 actions (thats y i knew hop wasnt the watcher) (READ PARAGRAPH)
he just claimed watcher cos he felt ckd was suspicious enough,and yes, hes scum

[andrew94]

facepalm*

not voting obs scum means your their buddy

[andrew94]

errrrr
i admitted to lying so when i die, ppl wouldnt go wtf and spaz on dry fit

and its called 'lying to not reveal his identity'

[andrew94]

dude, i said i saw him visit hop's house on night 0

so he knew hop was bs'ing
so he went along

[andrew94]

how could there be a mislynch on me? no1 else will claim watcher...
dry fit obs is town/cop, so he wouldnt cc watcher


the point of what i did was to NOT reveal dry-fit as the cop on day 1 and make me seem like the cop so scum wouldnt aim me = =
this fakeclaim bullshit as u called it, actually helped the town

[andrew94]

of course Df doesnt counter me, cos im the real fcking watcher, why the hell would he as cop cc me.
that would be anti-town
MORE VOTES ON CKD

[andrew94]

well, it seems that i will die tonight
so.. im gonna watch myself XD

i hope u guys know: tommorrow 5 ppl left

2 confirmed, 3 unconfirmed.
u got 2 lynchss. GL

[andrew94]

BAH!
I DIED FOR THE GREATER GOOD

p.s. do u have a dead qt

[andrew94]

oh wow, not sure why scum would do that....but i will take it (I still win with town if dead).

go town.

at least you know who to lynch tomorrow.

the only reason i know dry fit was the watcher was because i visited shotty's house, and he said

nameloc, ckd and andrew visitied

[andrew94]

who says town dont do gambits?

[andrew94]

i am disappointed --> I think I played with Andrew once before.. not really a threat to us

investigation

night 0 = hop
night 1 = jason
night 2= shotty
night 3 = dry fit

GG

[andrew94]

i highly enjoyed my cop check flavour pms. the last one let me know that i died 12 hours before i actually died = =

i jumped for joy

[andrew94]

mod, when u included the flavour, it seems that dry fit and shotty became a tracker as well = =

this is smashbro
yeah, once or twice I did decide to let the watcher see a little more than should have.

first case is shotty, following you back to his house, and finding out Nameloc was a hider. I would not have normally put that in, but shotty died that night, so i figured i would let it happen.

also, for Dry-fit on the last night, i let him know that you had visited him. considering that you were going to die that night, and he would watch JasonT leave as the last mafia member, i let it happen too.

i didn't think it would interfere with the game because of the deaths, so that's pretty much the only reason.