Mini 1095 - Fast Food Mafia - Game Over

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/confirm.

[Thestatusquo]

Hey raj. It's been a long time since we've played together.

[Thestatusquo]

Dairy Queen was found dead outside the entrance to Jamba Juice.

Since fast food chains are people, which entrace of jamba juice was dairy queen found dead outside? O.o

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Seeing as thats 9 I would imagine not.

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Claim: Miller

Let the fireworks begin.

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Because its dumb to not claim. Its pretty much automatically what you do as miller, because its stupid to leave it out there and be lynched for it later. Furthermore, it has the added benefit of starting day one discussion in a direction more positive than LOL U HAV NUMBERZ IN UR NAME SCUMSCUMSCUM.

Pleas 2 enjoi

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Strangercougs post read funny to me as well, but not for coaching. His post doesn't take any clear positions against anything, yet warns us of...What exactly? Avoiding shenanigans? What shenanigans are we going to avoid exactly? At the same time he says we should leave me alone right now he poisons my well like woah.

I'm liking a

Vote: StrangerCoug

[Thestatusquo]

Um... Please learn to read. The accusation of coach by peanut was referring to OTHER PLAYERS. He was saying that it looked as if strangercoug was telling his scumbuddies to not jump on my wagon.

Kindly, what the hell are you talking about?

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I was responding directly to peanuts post. He mentions coaching, and then I respond saying that I find the post off, but not because of the reasons he just stated.

"Defensive" is as stupid a "scumtell" as has ever existed in the mafiascum vernacular. When someone gets attacked, they defend themselves. Town players do it. Scum players do it. Non aligned players do it. Its probably the most constant thing in the entire game across alignments.

You attacked me by suggesting that I was likely to be strangercougs scumbuddy based upon some misguided musings, and an inability to read. Of course I am going to respond to that kind of accusation. How do you expect a town player to respond differently from a scum player in that situations? Do town players somehow like being lynched more than scum players?

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It's the fact you've basically left out any other points I've made. You can't possibly think there's no evidence to suggest a connection between you and Strangercoug. He clearly coached you on how to respond. There's no other reason for him to steal the question from you. Can you see any reason a townie would respond to a question directed to a different person? I can't. So it's either a bad move, and StrangerCoug seems like an experienced player, or it's scum trying to coach his scumbuddy.

There are three clear responses here. The first is that he was not the only player who answered the question. You're focusing on him, but not the other person. The second is that your either or is myopic. It doesn't take into account all possibilities. It just assumes you're right, and then finds ways for it to look as if its right. The miller was the major event that had happened thus far in the day. Is it not natural for people, checking the thread, to respond to it? It seems to me that people coming into a thread that is on day 1 with 1 page of discussion will venture their opinion on what had happened. In fact, the two people who came into the thread did that. Lastly, I do not need coaching. I've been playing mafia for 5 years now, 4 on this site. It doesn't make sense for strangercoug to coach me how to respond if I'm his scum buddy because clearly I ALREADY TOOK THE ACTION, and I obviously did it for a reason. The only reason for scumstrangercoug to coach me there is if he thinks theres a chance I don't know the correct answer to the question, which is ridiculous since I'm a 5 year veteran and already took the action, which would imply I know what I'm doing. Therefore the most logical possibility is that he came into thread, saw that a miller claim had happened, and ventured his opinions on it. Which is a non tell. I would expect both scum and town to do it.

I think you're simply worried that there's an actual link between you and Coug, and so you've tried to bus him, and now you're attempting to ridicule my argument as to make it appear as if it holds no weight.

Bussing is a bit of a stretch since it was my first vote on day 1. Maybe distancing, but really you're going to say I had a realistic goal of getting him lynched on page 3? That's stretching to the extreme. However, think of this way (and I did respond to you with more than ridicule. In fact, the quote you're refencing comes in the midst of a two paragraph post, but I'll get to that later.) Town sees someone drawing a false connection between him and someone he sees at scum, how does he respond? How does this differ from how scum would respond? In order for it to be a scumtell it has to have a clear cut difference in motivation, but it seems to me that both scum and town would have significant motivation to not be tied to a player they think is scum.

Furthermore, you state that you were responding to peanuts post. You realize that is a completely subjective thing? You never actually specify who you've directed your comment to. He mentions coaching, but I imply the same thing by responding I did not like how he jumped to answer your question. You are unclear with your response and you assume that the reader somehow understands your complete train of thought.

This is fair. I wasn't even thinking about your comments when I responded to peanuts post, but I thought it was clear that I was responding to his suspicions. I can see now that wasn't as clear as I thought it was.

As for your defensiveness, it certainly is a scumtell when you simply respond with "can you read" instead of an actual response that addresses the points made against you.

This is the part where you lose all focus. First off, you're not talking about defensiveness, you're talking about personal attacks here. That would be valid, if I had ONLY said "YOU'RE AN IDIOT." but I didn't I made arguments about the issue. The fact that you made that long post and I am responding to it proves that, as well as reading back in the thread. I'm an abbrasive player, its what I do. But I clearly was responding to all the arguments as I saw them.

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I am voting him for other reasons, which I explained. I specifically said I do not think he's coaching. That was the genesis of this whole debate.

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For the record, I don't think it's worth getting into a larger quote wall over this. I've explained myself pretty adequately, and nothing new is going to be said on the subject even if I do make another MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT tm

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Fair enough Raj, I expect participation after that, and will give you grief if not.

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Hopping on what opportunity, pray tell? He's the only one voting you.

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There's quite a few people who need to post. How long til we get some prods?

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Ok, this level of activity is ridiculous. We have had only 8 people post since the start of d1, and only 4 in the last day. Mod, get your prod/replacement game on, plz.

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I'm pretty confident cookie is town. Just sayin.

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There is absolutely no reason I should claim that now. But your fishing is noted. also, accusing me of stalling when I claimed unforced in my first post is hilarious.

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I'm not claiming because there's no reason to. There's no reason to believe that such information will help the town, and furthermore it might help the scum. There are several clear cut reasons why I claimed miller. I've already explained them. Those reasons do not extend to my role name. Again, your fishing is noted.

There's no need for your hostility. Also, to call me "boy" when you joined the site a year ago and you already have the reputation as just about the worst player on the site is pretty hysterical. Have a nice morning.

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but it seems like his deliberate and un-explained reasons for not telling us such a basic aspect of his role screams scum.

I actually completely explained my reasons.

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Cooldog's reaction, and demand for a fast food joint claim just seems... Bad. One of Cooldog or Coug is probably Scum. I don't think both are though.

Could you explain both parts of this thought? Why do you think one of cd or coug is scum, and what makes you think they both arent?

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Does that make it impossible or even unlikely? I think that's kind of WIFOMy

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Also, what does "high attention" mean in that context, and why does it make them both being scum unlikely? Secondly what from the exchange struck you as buddying?

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First of all, stalling is implies that I am avoiding taking an action for some reason. I am not. I am not stalling, I am flat our refusing to do it. Unless I am pressured to the point of needing to, or an in game reason other than "cooldog wants to know" develops, I will not be claiming my role name.

As I already said before, there is absolutely no reason to think that claiming my role name will help the town, furthermore, it can help the scum in a number of ways. There is more information that has value to scum teams than just whether someone is scum or town, or what role certain players on, particularly information about how the flavor of a setup is constructed gives scum valuable information about how they should construct their fake claims. I do not intend to give scum players any information without it being absolutely necessary. You saying "HERP DERP MY ROLE IS RELATED TO MY NAME" is not reason for me to believe that giving the scum information is absolutely necessary. Sorry.

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Mod, are there deadline extensions for absolutely piss poor player participation?

[Thestatusquo]

Lets explore a different area of discussion a little:

Not Voting: JasonT1981, Ghost Writer, curseddiplomat, Peanutman, AntB, ragrhcpfreak

Some of these players simply have not been in the thread much, but for the rest of you: Why are you guys not voting? Who do see as most likely to be scum at this point. Why are you not voting them? Who do you see as most likely to be town?

Raj, you promised us you would participate more after your project was done. Is it done? Why have you not posted more?

[Thestatusquo]

OH EM GEE

CEE DEE BEE!

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I'm not giving flavor. I claimed completely unforced. I just claimed to get it out from under our feet if it comes up later. Otherwise just play the game. Raj, did you miss my points where I explained why I am not giving flavor?

SC: What about me is "bugging" you?

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It's cool that you want flavor. Unfortunately, I'm the one whos opinion matters about what I think is most helpful for the town from my standpoint. If you think I'm scummy, string me up. If not, lets stop talking about it and lynch some scumz.

Your choice.

[Thestatusquo]

Welcome to the game.

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@ StrangerCoug
Explain yourself. "Your Bugging Me" seems odd and scummy coming out of the blue like that, justification would be nice.

In mafia the word scummy has a specific meaning. It means "more likely to come from scum than from town." In what way does a player saying "your[sic] bugging me" "out of the blue" fit that descriptions?

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@ StrangerCoug
Explain yourself. "Your Bugging Me" seems odd and scummy coming out of the blue like that, justification would be nice.

In mafia the word scummy has a specific meaning. It means "more likely to come from scum than from town." In what way does a player saying "your[sic] bugging me" "out of the blue" fit that descriptions?

Why would a townie just throw that up?

Oh your annoying me... how? why? when? are the first 3 things I would want to know. Leaving out that kind of information looks bad to me.

You're leaving out the most important part. "Why is scum likely to do this?" Scummy doesn't mean "things you don't understand" or "things that annoy you." it means "things a scum playing is more likely to do than town." How does this fit the description? What are the scum motivations for doing it?

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Your new in as a replacement from the outside so you would see the full picture instead of us inside who are more focused on certain people.
Even lurkers can develop tunnel vision...

How would you know that when they weren't posting thoughts to begin with?

The fact that you only asked the newly replaced player (and heck, if I remember right, you didn't ask the other replacement) suggests that rather than a sincere effort at getting my opinions, it was an effort to gain faux-town points by appearing concerned and inquisitive.

This seems like vague tunneling to me. I don't see specific motivations to ask just one players their opinions for either town or scum players. If your logic holds that he was trying to appear concerned and inquisitive, without actually being concerned and inquisitive I don't see why that means he would ask only one player, and wouldn't have asked multiple players. I don't know why a townie would only ask the opinions of one player either, but I'm definitely not sold on your claim that he's scum because he did. I think the logic doesn't make sense.

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Right, but I guess my question is if its simply "something you don't know why a townie would do it." and you cant think for a reason that scum would do it either, what is the value of pointing it out? Isn't it at best a null tell.

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Oh man. This player list just keeps getting better and better. Welcome Inhim.

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The thing that is bugging me is that cooldog has successfully derailed us from any meaningful discussion for several days. Think I should claim, think I shouldn't claim its irrelevant because I'm not going to. Since no one has been expressing a desire to vote me, I don't think the town has a desire to pressure me until I do so.

Let's move on and put some pressure on people. I should at the end of the day have done a reread and have a pretty good idea of who I'd like to see some votes on. Though I think I'm still pretty comfortable with my stranger coug vote.

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Clarify. By end of the day I meant RL today, and not the game day.

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@TSQ, are you willing to make a 2-week avatar and sig bet on your fast-food chain being scummy? If it's townish you win and you select my avvy and sig for two weeks. If I win then you can select my avvy and sig for two weeks. Up for it?

Absolutely not. And I think to ask something like this is borderline cheating. Having someone make commitments OOG that make change how the game is played in game is underhanded at best. Let's keep games and discussion separate, kthx.

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Could someone please explain to me why we're voting cooldog? I'm getting an annoying bad town read from him. All the votes on him have been with little or no substance. This wagon screams misslynch.

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Could someone please explain to me why we're voting cooldog? I'm getting an annoying bad town read from him. All the votes on him have been with little or no substance. This wagon screams misslynch.

Little or no substance?
Really?
Am I to take it that his behavior is normal for a townie, then? To take odds that are better for scum than for town, to claim a PR knowing you'd be attacked at night? To go after a person who you said wasn't scum because scum wouldn't claim Miller? That's contradictory. The only person who wouldn't have to worry about being killed for claiming a town PR would be the scum themselves. Unless he's a complete idiot, why would he do something like that? And he's just building up a doctor excuse to fall back on so that his survival makes sense.

Why wouls hw so those things as scum? That's what you're missing. Saying "this makes no sense as town." isn't enough. Why would scum do it when town wouldn't?

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Um...There a plenty of times when the right play is to lynch a claimed power role d1. If you don't believe the claim, you lynch the player. I think you're town, but thats a mind blowingly ignorant statement. You're saying town should exclusively lynch vanilla townies d1? Wtf.

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I'm not convinced that CooLDoG is scum and the reason I unvoted EtherealCookie is because I think he's acting pretty pro-town now. That, to me, leaves it as a tossup between AntB's indecisiveness and Thestatusquo's reluctance to nameclaim after claiming miller right now, but since Thestatusquo has said he's not going to nameclaim unpressured, I think I'll get what I want if I VOTE: Thestatusquo.

Look at my play, ignore my claim for a second. Do you think I'm scum. If so, why? If not, why are you voting me?

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@EC, yet it is still a power role. In the non-vanilla sence. And why are you defending TSQ? Do you happen to know his flavor?

Clearly someone disagreeing with you means they are "defending [me]" and must also know my flavor by virtue of being scum with me? Do you at all think about the implications of the things you say, or is it pretty much like just whatever comes out of your mouth?

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Those are really the only scenarios that you can see? Forget about, for a second, whether they're the most likely. You can't think of any other reasoning?

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Been traveling the last couple days. Posting to avoid replacement. Catch up and post later.