Newbie 1055 (Game over)

[SxyBeast]

Yay Day 1 on my first game!

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@Haylen you have a 'I'm a girl, refer to me as such' avatar? I so want you to put that up so i can see it

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Vote: gapoc459. How can you not like ponies and unicorns?

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ok im having issues with the bold still

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Vote: gapoc459

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Ya i got the voting and awesome avatar Haylen thx for putting it up

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Well now i feel bad for voting you for being scared

Unvote: gapoc459

[SxyBeast]

how come there r so many people on this forum that havent talked? seems a bit suspicious

[SxyBeast]

I didn't forget an E its an inside joke with a friend of mine

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hey i always have my browser up and running doesn't mean i pay attention to all my tabs

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seriously man just chill and check on it every now and then like most people

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lol thats the first time ive ever heard a person say stop having a life lol

[SxyBeast]

1) I'm still in school so I won't be playing during those hours and I might be doing homework while playing.

2) I believe I have and if something comes up that I don't know I will be sure to ask or look it up.

3) I have not.

4) I have never played this game, but I am not a complete newbie. I have played epicmafia for a few months now so I understand how the game works.

[SxyBeast]

anyone still awake and want to just talk? im bored

[SxyBeast]

u really don't know epicmafia? its a quicker version of this where each phase takes minutes to complete (unless drawn out). it is quite fun. I've been playing it while playing this

[SxyBeast]

hey i always have my browser up and running doesn't mean i pay attention to all my tabs

I just want to point out she says that she doesn't pay attention to all tabs and yet manages to defend herself the second Gapoc calls her out.

Read the time. It was at least 30 minutes after he posted that i said that. That is the average refresh time for me if I'm not busy with something important

[SxyBeast]

MrBump I defend myself so that i the town doesnt waste a lynch on me. r u really saying that you dont defend urself cause that is bull

[SxyBeast]

hey srry ive been quiet my keyboard got a filter stuck and it took me about an hour to fix. so i just wanted to formally announce that im back.

[SxyBeast]

well we should just keep that in mind. either it was a ploy or he is just really a noob. but that will be decided at a later time or at least till everyone posts

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for this yes, but i have played multiple mafia games so i understand what i should generally do and not do. though this is a bit different with the phases lasting days

[SxyBeast]

I agree with DP that we should take his age and maturity into account when discussing him. his WIFOM bothered me as well, but unlike DP i thought he was pushing a bit hard on the ATE. so from my point of view he was either mafia that really didn't want to be lynched, and for the time being worked, or he ,being 12, got a bit over excited and just started posting his feelings and voted himself. Though what i don't get about him voting himself is that y would u give up if u r important to us? u said you'll do better next time, but i have never seen anyone who is actually important just give up. For the most part they fight the hardest because they are important and can help win the game. So since everyone took their votes off of u and ur no longer at L-1

Vote gapoc

[SxyBeast]

i vote when i feel comfortable voting the person not when other people think its ok. it doesn't matter who voted him first. the fact that i happen to agree and vote him after you means nothing

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yay thank you mod

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unless lynches go quickly then most likely yes

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David I agree, but at the moment I feel that gapoc is scummier and that maybe Doros just needs to learn so I'm giving "it" the benefit of the doubt. I will be keeping my eye on how Doros is acting in case I make it to later Days or "it" does something that makes me feel they r scummire than gapoc

[SxyBeast]

I think everyone has posted and unless someone becomes unavailable to play then i don't think we need replacements.

[SxyBeast]

Good to see you back and better. Oh ya and y r we talking about ages? its not all that important

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@SxyBeast

I agree with DP that we should take his age and maturity into account when discussing him. his WIFOM bothered me as well, but unlike DP i thought he was pushing a bit hard on the ATE. so from my point of view he was either mafia that really didn't want to be lynched, and for the time being worked, or he ,being 12, got a bit over excited and just started posting his feelings and voted himself. Though what i don't get about him voting himself is that y would u give up if u r important to us? u said you'll do better next time, but i have never seen anyone who is actually important just give up. For the most part they fight the hardest because they are important and can help win the game.

So since everyone took their votes off of u and ur no longer at L-1

Vote gapoc

What would you have done if gapoc was still at L-1? If gapoc is lynched and flips scum who do you think is his partner?
What if he flips town? How do you feel about the other players?

If he was still at L-1 then I would have not voted him till I felt it was safe.

If he turns up scum I wouldn't be sure who his partner is except I would be pretty sure it isn't DP. Mainly because no matter how new a person is maf tends not to buddy so that if one is caught the other isn't.

If he flips town then i would look into who he considers maf and try to keep it in mind.

I don't have a good feel on anyone yet and depending on who flips maf makes up a lot of who i think maf is. I can look back on how everyone interacts with each other to see if I can find a person who is either too nice to them or too mean so I can find the partner.

[SxyBeast]

I don't like how SxyBeast seems to chime in occasionally but it seems to be fluff. It's almost like you are posting enough to stay active, but I don't feel there is much usable contact. You are 'flying below the radar' so to speak. Especially for seeming pretty excited at the beginning of the game. I also think that you seemed to jump on the gapoc wagon (twice) fairly quickly. Honestly this is more of a gut feeling, but it's early enough in the game that I'm comfortable with the vote.

I was excited at the start because I though this would be like epicmafia but with smarter and calmer people. Once quickly learning that it is not as fast paced I became less excited because half the fun is the quick conversations that catch people in scum slips and lies. And the first time I voted gapoc was because it was a joke. If u seriously think that on page one of Day1 that I was serious then something is wrong with u. I'm quiet because I think before I speak and if u think that what I say is fluff then u and I have different opinions on what fluff is. In my opinion what doros has said has been fluff and a bunch of pleasantries though, as I said, I'm willing to see if it just needs to learn and not count it as scummy.

SxyBeast only made one small comment about Doros' post and it was sort of a half-hearted FOS.

I was only half-hearted cause I don't like to solid foses unless I feel solid about them. That is why I don't go voting everyone on a whim.

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Mainly based on ur last post I am seeing u less as scum and more as newbie. Though I still do not see u as a townie u are getting off my scum list for now. So i officially

Unvote: gapoc

.

Now I'm leaning toward a Mr. Bump vote for the main reason of his tunneling toward gapoc and so determined for a lynch on him. Though if Doros does not learn to talk about the game and not go on about nothing important then I will probably change my mind. Still no vote yet, mainly for the reason i told Stefunny, but if things continue as they r expect a Mr. Bump vote.

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No he just used a lot of pronouns and made a shift in talking without clarifying who he was talking about. The last he was actually directed toward DP on how he clearly stated the VS is townie. Though he should have clearly stated that he was talking about DP due to the fact that he had previously been talking about u, He was not directing that last statement to u.

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Even still he claimed it was aimed at VS which was lolnottrue

@MrBump, I apologize for not writing clearly and in context. I was not talking about you anymore when I said that about absolute certainty. I was talking about how DP said that VS was town.

It was a comment on VS's comment he never said it was about VS. That was mistakes in communication.

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Cause it seems to me that he is just clouded by the fact that he believes u r scum or that he just doesn't understand. That does not necessarily mean he is scum. It leans more to that fact that he is confused

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well we r both young and i can see where u made ur error and that is the danger of pronouns, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does. so calm down a bit

[SxyBeast]

no we dont, but i see what he accidentally did. I'm just trying to stop the confusion so we can get back on course.

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Ya i meant to say something about that. gapoc plz stop including me in ur posts. if i agree i will say so and post. The fact that ur posts continuously including me makes me think u were trying to make us seem like scum partners, so if u could refrain i would appreciate it

@Vinoth
1st of all: there is no guarantee there is a cop so saying who we want them to investigate can lead to the mafia making a fake claim.
2nd of all: WTF r u doing? if u r truly a townie don't put urself up there. every towns person is important and unless ur death would give us a maf then we would be wasting a lynch on u.

[SxyBeast]

Ok I don't need to be replaced, please don't do so. Also, I was not aware that self-voting had occurred before in this thread because I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry.

Dude wtf? if ur going to play the game take the time to read the thread.

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Ok can we just stop with the personals? I really don't care about anything that is not game related. Not to be mean, but it is just none of our business and it gets in the way of the game. whether it be just talking about it, calling it out, or using to make insults. So plz just shut up

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no im not saying u im just saying shut up

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You're at that age?!?!? Right before GCSE's? Seriously, all hate aside, that really sucks. Then again, why did you even tell us that you had CFS? I said I was sorry anyway... And of course I wouldn't make fun of you if you had cancer. I even wouldn't have made fun of you if I knew more about CFS... I thought it just meant that you were lethargic all day. I didn't know you couldn't even go to school... Sorry.

See this is wat i mean. it gets us off on tangents that dont matter. So, for the third time, can we just stop with the personals?

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[bold]@mod[/bold] Could we get a vote count plz?

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dang messed up mean to put that in bold. as u can see

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so does this mean the day will end soon? and what happens when the day ends?

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Hey srry I haven't played guys I just started a new term and it is a b**ch and, to be honest, I also lost track of what day it was and forgot when the night phase ended.

Sxy hadn't even POSTED in the thread by the time we'd voted and unvoted. So how does that rule her out exactly?

I was the second person, excluding the mod, to post on the thread so I have no idea what the f**k ur talking about.

E.g. "makes me

think

u were

trying

to

make us seem

" - this is circumlocution and mirrors the "complex" misdirection being attempted here.

How is that circumlocution? i told him what I thought he was doing and I said it clearly there is no circumlocution in there. Also, I

think

because at that point in time we did not know he was maf so I was not sure what he was doing,

trying

because unless he succeeded that's all it would be is trying, and

make us seem

because that's what it does no one, except maf, KNOWS who is maf, so clearly if u cant know for sure who is maf it only SEEMS they r maf.

SxyBeast: Some genuine town-like posts at time, she didn't unvote gapoc as you claimed, she wasn't on the wagon when he first got to L-1. Also she is the last person I would expect to night-kill Vinoth.

Oh, Sxy has played very scummy but a lot of it seems like more newbie-town to me at times, and not sure what she should be doing.

Hmmm a bit contradictory don't u think? first u say I have town tells then u say oh yes very scummy. that makes no sense. Also y would u think I'm the last person u would expect to kill vinoth? As people have pointed out im not the most talkative, so how do u know anything about me?

Apparently people see my nature to not want to fight and get back on track is scummy so from now on I will stay out of misunderstands and just get a possible townie lynched.

Finally, for this post, I don't know if gapoc put "he" as a scumslip to his partner or to throw us off the trail of a she scum partner but did anyone think that gapoc just put it in as a pronoun that fits it's antecedent? If he had put in a vague "they" it would be incorrect and tying out he/she the whole time is tiring and a waste of time. So in my opinion that whole talk over it was in it self a waste of time.(This is just an add on for people to think about. There is no need to continue this talk and post about this little bit.)

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Hey srry I haven't played guys I just started a new term and it is a b**ch and, to be honest, I also lost track of what day it was and forgot when the night phase ended.

Scumbucket!

E.g. "makes me

think

u were

trying

to

make us seem

" - this is circumlocution and mirrors the "complex" misdirection being attempted here.

How is that circumlocution?

It is/was clear what Gapoc was doing. In short, Gapoc

was

trying to make you look like scum. It didn't seem like he was, I didn't need to think that it seemed he was... he was. You could have said: "Gapoc, you're trying to make me look like scum", instead of "[Your activity Gapoc] makes me think you were trying to make us seem." I.e. 5 verb phrases - 'makes', 'think', 'were trying', 'to make', 'seem' - versus 3 verb phrases - 'are trying', 'to make', 'look' - sound to me like circumlocution.

You are smelling riper and riper like the rotting scum that floats in dirty harbour waters.

Well I wasnt sure and if he flipped town it wouldnt matter wat he said. but now that hes maf it is obvious but at the time it wasnt

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So I just reread all of Doros' votes ans could not find where it said if it was a he or she, so Doros since u said u found them could u plz point them out? Also, I realized how Stefunny asks many questions, but when ppl ask her questions she either gives a general response, like with VS, or she doesn't respond at all. I find this very scum and plan on making a vote soon. Either on Stefunny or Doros though I dont know which yet.

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The reason I'm voting for you is because you are voting for me.

This is the dumbest and scummiest reason to vote u r definitely at the top of my scum list.

However, we could still work together. I'm asking you to rethink your stance because I think we (and town) are in a vulnerable position. It would be very easy to have me killed next and you afterwards because of the sacrificing thing and with the mafia's two night kills we could be easily down to 3 players. Why make it easy for mafia? Changing your stance will help both our survival (unless we get night kill) and make it less predictable and harder for mafia to win. Just my opinion though.

Anyway, if it helps, I'm unvoting my vote for you.

As DP said, you only care about ur survival. A townie does care about their survival but she cares more about getting mafia and if u think that DP is maf u dont say hey lets work together so we live even though u may be maf. and u especially dont unvote a person just so he will rethink and unvote u. I find it very scummy that u r doing this wen u r close to getting lynched. Also, we r not going to quick lynch DP. this has been stated to u multiple times and yet u seem to not listen.

Gotcha Stefunny!!! I did say in my own way I rather not share my gender before the gapoc slip. The gapoc slip occured in post 319. My first post is post 181 which is 138 posts ahead of gapoc's post!!! The second post is numbered 402 and refers to the earlier post. If anyone is looking for a he/she, you won't find it because I want to be gender neutral. Even though you may not like my reply, the gender question have been answered twice like I said. Stefunny made a false accusation against me and has been proven to be wrong and I'm right!!!

I said the same thing about u and u disregard it. I think ur doing this because ur scum and u vote for the second scummiest person with votes (aka Stefunny
) This is class A scum.

I believe that Doros is at L-2 so im going to vote but not till I get a count because I dont want to be the killing vote

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Ok so I firmly believe that Doros is maf and will be voting them at the end of the day, around 6pm eastern standard time to be specific. This is just a warning so that its not a maf quick hammer that came from no where

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Wow i am amazed at how off that chart is, on me at least. I have posted 48 times more than both u and stefunny.

The first few of her posts don't really matter as they are in the RVS, they were fluff and non-game related. It's very interesting that she took her vote off so quickly, though. Most people keep their RVS votes on their chosen player until the game is out of the random voting stage. I find it a little bit suspicious that she found a load of people not posting in the beginning suspicious, because not everybody can be scum!

first of all just cause ppl keep their vote up doesn't mean I do. U cant go apply other peoples playing styles to me. Second of all just cause I find someone suspicious doesn't mean I think they r maf. It means i will keep my eye on them.

[quote='Haylen"]

anyone still awake and want to just talk? im bored

Suggests posting fluff??? O_O Definitely anti-town.[/quote]

Wow ur such a great detective. U can find a person just wanting to talk on page 3 as scummy wen the majority of the ppl in the game hadn't even talked. Yup u got me.

She doesn't explain clearly why she votes for Gapoc. In fact, she votes him because other people have unvoted him. It just seems weird that she voted him when everybody else unvoted, seemingly scared that he would be hammered. Distancing and concern for a scumbuddy being lynched?

i said in the post that i voted him in y i voted him. im srry that it wasn't clear to u. And yes I voted him because he wasn't at L-1. I don't want to be the killing vote in my very first game unless i have to. Wat o u have a problem with being cautious of lynching a townie?

If he turns up scum I wouldn't be sure who his partner is except I would be pretty sure it isn't DP. Mainly because no matter how new a person is maf tends not to buddy so that if one is caught the other isn't.

Wrong. Mafia have been known to buddy townies rather than their own team-mates.

Wow u just repeated me. I was saying that DP probably isn't maf if gapoc is because maf doesn't buddy maf. Did u just not understand me or r u trying to frame me?

Defends Gapoc in post I#34.

I have already explained the so called defense. I was just trying to stop a misunderstanding that could have gotten a townie lynched. I have also said that ,because ppl see stopping a miss communication as scummy, I will just shut my mouth if someone makes a silly mistake. That could result in a townie lynch.

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And why is everyone else so quiet. Not a peep from Stef and Sxy?

How come everytime I talk and ask questions ppl dont notice? I asked Haylen questions and brought up points. She posts after that even commenting on one part of it but disregards the rest. Srry I cant talk as much as I would like. I am super busy with the new term as I have already stated. Also, Mr Bump could u elaborate on y u find me as scum?

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Hey srry i havent been on. im not dead. I have been busy with school as I said I would be and Im not in the same time zone as u guys, VS and Bump I dont know about Stefunny and Haylen, so, for the most part, I wont be on at the same time as u. Personally I dont think he is scum (though I could be way off) so I wont be voting him

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Hey srry I just got on thinking the day started today and find a bunch of posts. I will be reading them and commenting shortly.

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hey srry so i did not notice the breadcrumbs mainly cause i didnt know to look for them. I had heard of breadcrumbs but i hadnt seem an example so i didnt know wat i was looking for. wat i dont get is how would maf know haylen is doc twice in a row? and u just happened to be on the person who got killed twice? it just seems a little unlikely, but then again if u were maf claiming that would be dumb because of how unlikely it is. So im stuck in the middle of how crazy is haylen and how scummy is Bump. this is FMPOV of course

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But see Haylen if it were random y would the maf be on the same person twice? I mean i could see maf choosing u one at random, but unless they saw ur breadcrumb, which as so fucking obvious I'm pissed that i didn't see it before, it would make no sense for them to random pick u twice. Makes me doubt ur claim a bit.

Also, and I know this will make me look kinda scummy, I do not find the last two kills to be random. David is clearly a good player and I was getting a town and possible pr vibe from him so killing him seemed kinda obvious. And the same principal went for Stefunny on the whole town vibe. She, out of the three of u, seemed the most town to me so getting her out of the way also makes sense. And Bump y would u think Haylen would not killl them? I mean she did claim to be on them as doc so clearly she saw something that made her think town.

Bump I think ur scummy because of ur reactions. Every time someone tried to think u were scum u were like it can't be me because I lead on gapoc and leading on a person doesn't make u clear. It does make u look good though which is y maf busses to seem legit, but a bus in this game would be bad unless u see ur partner slipping everywhere, like gapoc, and need to get some cred as town by pointing it out.Though reading back I'm getting an extremely town vibe from u, but something doesn't seem right. y did u join haylen so easily on d3 with the VS lynch? To me it was clear that he was town and that maf needed to eliminate him. So I have to figure did maf boldly lead the lynch or did they sit back and join in hoping another townie would hammer.

Oh ya also Bump I distance from everyone because I don't know who is maf and don't want to buddy to him because wen they get lynched I look scummy as shit. I will admit though I especially tried to distance myself from gapoc because i had a very good feeling that he was maf, only reason i didn't hammer was i was a bit scared u know first day of the first game i play didn't want to fuck up already. I also only technically lurked because I had no time to play as i have stated an unreasonable amount of times and ppl still don't seem to listen.

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srry bump i was just adding in some more stuff that was just a starting post

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Oh i also forgot to ask haylen y she still hasn't answered me. she said she will do it on d3 and yet she continues to post about VS as if the lynch needed to happen or else she would be screwed because town would have a fairly clear, and by clear i don't mean they r cleared just very town almost like they cant be anything else, person either VS or Stefunny. of course clearly u ppl didn't think he was town because he begged u to listen so he must be scummy that just angers me.

[SxyBeast]

u said all u do is sit at ur comp meaning u have nothing but time

[SxyBeast]

also y would u use haylen to validate ur vote? y does it matter if she thinks he is a good lynch?

[SxyBeast]

In summary, I half proved that Sxy had reason to kill DP and Stefunny using the same logic that she is using to accuse me. I also don't know what question she's on about but I'll be happy to answer if it's re-iterated. Tunnelling is what I do, it's my scum hunting technique.

I am not accusing anyone for maf. I am just stating what I find odd and asking about it. and i gave the reasons y to kill them. its not like i hid and was like no reason from me.

She said that I would have reason to kill them as scum because I saw town in both DP and Stefunny. However, she goes on to say this:

David is clearly a good player and I was getting a town and possible pr vibe from him so killing him seemed kinda obvious. And the same principal went for Stefunny on the whole town vibe. She, out of the three of u, seemed the most town to me so getting her out of the way also makes sense.

Suggesting that she, herself, has that thought process. She felt that DP gave off a PR vibe and that Stefunny was the most pro-town, thus suggesting that she would have had more of a motive than me in killing them or at least equal motive. That also goes to show that she gets power-role vibes from people, which suggests that she may have received a power role vibe from myself enabling her to block me twice.

I am just asking questions not accusing anyone, but the fact that u got so defensive from me asking Bump a question, though it is about u, to see his response is very scummy to me. Also, as I stated, I knew how that statement would look and would like to make two points on it
1) If I were scum would I really being setting myself up for the offence that u r making?
2) I am saying these things to help weed out maf which is y im being honest and not holding anything back

Now, yes Haylen I do get pr vibes, but i got diddly from u if anything i got scum vibes. Mainly because of ur tunneling technique. To me, it just doesn't seem like a town thing to do.

I mean she did claim to be on them as doc so clearly she saw something that made her think town.

But so did she. She said Stefunny was obv town to her and that DP gave her PR vibes. If you think about it, the NK's would make more sense coming from her point of view, if I was scum and knew DP was cop as I did, I would have killed him on the first night. People don't just get vibes in one day, they develop over several days, so it would make sense that he was killed on Night Two from her point of view.

Once again Haylen I am not even asking u. I am questioning Bump to y he would think u wouldn't kill them.

To me it was clear that he was town and that maf needed to eliminate him.

He honestly wasn't obvious town -_- I will give you a list of things that made him obvious scum to me. I don't tunnel people unless they're obvious scum to me, because it puts me in a bad situation if they turn out town. There is no way in hell that I would tunnel on Vittorio if I was scum, especially the day before lylo as it would practically guarantee my lynch in lylo.

I do not know wat u would do since not only have I never played with u, but this is my first game. Also i know that in ur opinion he wasnt obvious town but that is y i said this

of course clearly u ppl didn't think he was town

Wat do u just not like to read?

Oh ya also Bump I distance from everyone because I don't know who is maf and don't want to buddy to him because wen they get lynched I look scummy as shit.

Not a town thought process. Townies shouldn't care about how scummy they look, they do what they can to ensure that scum is lynched. The rest of the town will then be able to understand that townies motivations and believe them when they say they're town.

Hold on one sec let me reread something.

As I said before, I am not a mind reader.

Look at that. So how the fuck do

you

know what

I

find as a townie thought process? I think it is not only towns job to find maf but stay alive to find maf and my being linked to anyone who isn't clear doesn't help and if it truly isn't then I will learn, but I still feel distance makes sense.

Because you can't lynch someone with one vote.

True u can't, but if u believe someone to be maf u don't unvote u stick by ur convictions and try to get ppl to see what u see.

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I'm not saying I know exactly what happened with the kills. I am saying my opinions on the kills. To me that is the only thing I can think would have happened. Plus I fell that maf would provide a vague, say random possibly, or no reason y these kills would happen. Plz just for the love of god speak ur mind and say ur opinion on y and how this chain of events happened.

I am getting scum from both of u, but Bump Im also getting town from u. I too find the claim to be scummy for y wouldn't doc claim around the same time as cop? i mean that way cop doesn't waste an investigation on them. Unless of course they r maf and don't want cop to investigate them or they did it on the day before last just to be able to say "hey i bread crumbed so i must be doc". I just find it odd that haylen didn't bread crumb sooner and only did so after cop died

But Bump with one maf left y would u change if ur so sure that u know maf? also there is a thing called a vote change its not like the votes get locked in so if ur vote was to help get some else lynched then u could change. Also, srry Bump I must have missed that post I will look back at it and comment.

[SxyBeast]

umm which post r u asking about Bump?

[SxyBeast]

well clearly we have different opinions on wat scum would do. also, u know who else is protown? TOWN

lol they rnt that bad

[SxyBeast]

I did comment on that post the two comments after it were for the post. i didn't feel i needed to go into more than that

[SxyBeast]

Ok bump i can say u have spoken ur mind but what is ur opinion on how this could have worked out?