Fuck it I don't like the tasky wagon because of... Yeah. That
Rob is town today, so... Locke...
Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:Looks like this game exploded since I last posted. It looks like we now have 3 wagons going on.
I still like the RossWilliam wagon. I gave reasons for this before and they still apply. Unfortunately, that wagon seems to have mostly died out.
I'm not really a fan of the Mute wagon here. I've been getting the feeling that his suspicions are genuine, even if it's just a gut feeling. I also find it interesting that the Mute wagon built up quickly twice. It kind of looks like a default wagon that people are jumping to when they have nowhere better to go and that bothers me a bit. If Mute is actually town, it wouldn't surprise me if at least 2 scum are voting him.This wagon was composed of Agar, Me, RW, Rob, and Pappums. Saying "I think there's two scum in here" about what's probably a scum-free wagon seems like a very convenient move for scum.
Since it seems like the RossWilliam wagon isn't going anywhere right now, I'm willing tounvote, vote: RobCapone. The fact that he chose to ignore this game even though he posts so frequently is a bit suspicious (though largely alleviated by his explanation) and his post #108 looks kind of bad. I would definitely prefer a RossWilliam lynch though and if other people are willing to switch back to RossWilliam, I will certainly be among those switching .This is very meh reasoning. The last time I saw "I will vote X but prefer Y" it was from Jerbs. Seems to distance him from a potential roblynch.
It's mostly because of his post #52. He felt the need to defend Tasky as part of his reason for voting me despite claiming only a weak read. This leads me to believe that RossWilliam is scum using the fact that I voted someone he knows is town as justification for voting me. It would be odd for him to include that as part of his reasoning for his vote if they were both scum.Jerbs wrote:@VV
Why would RossWilliam being scum make Tasky town? They just got into a little argument. That has no influence on whether or not they are scum or town
I'm not sure how I feel about the L-2 and L-1 votes from Dizzle and Mute. I'm not sure Dizzle actually knew he was putting RossWilliam at L-2 (I didn't realize until someone pointed it out) and, to be fair, Mute seemed to crosspost with Guderian pointing this out. Not sure what to make of Dizzle's unvote in post #102 though.Way to fencesit on Dizzlescum and make excuses for him.
I might need to reread RossWilliam to take a closer look. Things are starting to not add up so well and it might be time for me to reevaluate some of my stances so they do. I also want to take a closer look at pappums rat and Jerbs. Something about them is bothering me right now and I'm not sure what.VV never says anything about what Jerbs did to bother him. He ends up following up on Pappums later though. He does eventually hammer Jerbs though.
Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:I didn't want to detract from pressure on Dizzle before he showed up, but it looks like he's being replaced anyway.Guderian wrote:VV, please vote.Worried about people seeing a connection between himself and Dizzle
Vote: pappums ratfor reasons mentioned earlier
Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:I don't remember why I unvoted you, but it had better have been for a good reason.RossWilliam wrote:It's looking at this point that Dizzle's going to be replaced. I'm excited to hear from the replacement because more and more the bandwagon on Dizzle is making me nervous...I don't have a good argument other than gut but I'm just getting a bad feeling about the lynch, because the only reason my vote is on him is because of the lurking, but plenty of town have lurked before. From a selfish point of view, if he flips town for some fluke I'm going to get a LOT of flak at the start of the next day, and I don't want that. I'm not going to unvote yet but if it get's to L-1 and we still haven't heard from Dizzle or the replacement I think I'm going to unvote.
I'm liking Tasky more as scum because he's got himself set up with this reputation like he's not going to contribute and thats totally okay. Now he can glide under the radar just making his comments here and there. We'll see.That reason: His bandwagon wasn't big enough...
Dizzle: I'm starting to think I was a bit too lazy in allowing myself to suspect Dizzle. His post about Mute was certainly awkward, but his lack of posting (especially if he's now disappeared from the site) really doesn't mean much. I wouldn't be particularly enthusiastic about a Dizzle lynch.Guderian wrote:VV, what are you thoughts of the four people with mini-actual bandwagons on them? Who of them would you like to see lynched most?Doesn't want to lynch dizzle
Jerbs: My first thought is that I wouldn't be against this lynch, but I also never looked back to figure out what I didn't like about him. I meant to, but other people looked back first. I would probably be willing to vote him just based on what I've seen though.Would vote Jerbs sort of.
Rain: Rain is possibly my biggest wild card right now. It felt like a lot of Mute's earlier posting was genuine, but his later posting gave me some reservations. I don't see much of a problem with what Rain's done so far. Not willing to vote him right now. I would probably only vote him as a deadline lynch and largely because his flip would give us a lot to work with.
RossWilliam: I didn't like him early on, then switched votes and wasn't sure. I'm starting to see him as scum again. It's not unlikely for my vote to find its way back to him in the near future.Much happier one of these two nonscums
When I first read this, I thought it was scummy. Now that I read it again, I have no idea. >.<RossWilliam wrote:UNVOTE: Dizzle
I made up my mind. I don't want to see Dizzle lynched without a defense. There is too big of a chance of the lurking being a townie fluke.
I think I lost my grasp of this game a bit when I went V/LA. If I'm not busy today, I'll try to reread this game, but I won't guarantee it, seeing as I've been a bit lazy with reading this game in general up to this point.
Vigilante Ventriloquist wrote:Okay, posting time.
The night kill is mildly interesting in that VP had a bit of suspicion on him. It's less interesting when you consider that VP is a good player and a small amount of suspicion on him would likely not be enough to keep a scum team from wanting to kill him and especially if he was doing something right. His suspicions might be worth looking at, but I'm not sure it's worth it to use them for any more than padding suspicions. This being said, I don't actually remember who he suspected.Hmm, maybe he was killed partially in hopes townies would look up who his suspicions were on and go after Rob?
I'm really not seeing Zdenek's case on Llama in post #345. I like Rob's case (or PBPA, I guess) on pappums in the next post though.You like your top scumread's case?? And you don't like Zdenek's case but have no comment on Zdenek's alignment?
Interestingly enough though, I really don't like what I see from Rob in iso towards the end of yesterday. Between his post #321 and post #322, it really looks like he doesn't want the Jerbs wagon to find its way to completion. I also don't like the potential pushing of a day 2 mislynch on VP in post #336, followed by the very nonchalant "oh well, so much for that!" post #334 just 35 minutes into the day. Strikes me a bit as him not being surprised enough, if that makes sense. For the moment, that's actually enough to put him ahead of pappums on my want-to-lynch list.So basically VV wanted to lynch Rob or Pappums instead of Zdenek. This looks like counterwagonning.
Post #349 actually made me laugh out loud just now. Really nice catch by Tasky.Vote: RobCapone
Rain's post #358 looks like a jump onto a counter-wagon to try to take attention off of Rob, especially since he seems more concerned with using buzzwords and making his post loud than he does about explaining his vote. I was about to say Rob's immediate switch to Zdenek afterwards made this less likely, but Rain's subsequent switch to Elli just 5 votes later could very well be his way of trying to distance himself from Rob.FoS RainWhee another alternative to Zdenek. Anyone but him pleaseplease!
Empking wrote:Town
1.Robcapone
9. RosswilliamI have one....actually, on further reading, I have two more:Empking wrote:Please ask me any question you have. Reading now.
1. Why the vote on pappums?
2. What changed that made you vote Rob?
These look like he is trying to galvanize a townie into helping him push a counterwagon? Maybe VVscum wanted to lynch either Rob or Pappums and was keeping his options open.
Since it's apparently now the cool thing to do (and as an excuse to give reads on a couple of controversial players), here are my current reads (players within a group are in no particular order (even though I created enough orderings to give a pretty good idea of where people are relative to each other anyway)):
Town
LlamaGod
Tasky
Vigilante Ventriloquist
Leaning Town
Ellibereth
RossWilliam
Very Slighly Town
Empking
Neutral
ZdenekContinued Dizzle Fencesitting pattern
Very Slightly Scum
pappums rat (eh, Rob's suspicions of him probably bump him to the town side if Rob is scum, but I'd rather leave him on this side of the scale until Rob actually flips)Lining up lynches much?
Leaning Scum
Rain
Scum
RobCapone
Yes there is:Empking wrote:pr: Tasky was forced into reluctantly bussing but when he found a way out he ran from Zdenek as fast as his fingers could take him. There's nothing else to add to that.
Sadly, what was stopping me from suspecting him the first read turns out to be his scum read on... Pappums Rat. Which means nothing, since Rat is conf. town, and an easy mislynch target.Dizzle:I'm starting to think I was a bit too lazy in allowing myself to suspect Dizzle. His post about Mute was certainly awkward, but his lack of posting (especially if he's now disappeared from the site) really doesn't mean much. I wouldn't be particularly enthusiastic about a Dizzle lynch.
Jerbs:My first thought is that I wouldn't be against this lynch, but I also never looked back to figure out what I didn't like about him. I meant to, but other people looked back first. I would probably be willing to vote him just based on what I've seen though.
So, it doesn't read as particularly pro-town to me.Empking wrote:But Locke actually did hammer his partner so...?
and...RobCapone wrote:Fos dizzle
Ill hold offvoting til mod prods him and he has time to respond
Both of these display a desire to appear as though he is attacking these slots but they lack the genuine conviction behind them to follow up with a vote or even ask questions of any substance. One of his responses to the cop claim is also wishy-washy to the point of being scummy:RobCapone wrote: That last post by Jerbs has me scratching my head
FOS: Jerbs
Vote Agar
During this situation, I feel like he's trying to refrain from making a firm decision for as long as possible in the hope that Jerbs is going to dig himself out of trouble by fleshing out his claim. To add to these, neither Jerbs nor Dizzle/Zdenek makes any kind of attack on Rob that would make me think he isn't scum; in fact, Jerbs' lame FOS on Rob when he tries to encourage him to post just reinforces my read.RobCapone wrote:well in the games I have played on this site I think I have seem cop claimed day 1 and once was scum and once was really cop, neither got lynched day 1 but both of them played like they should have been a cop.
typically I am not a fan of lynching a power role day 1, but we already are down a person and it isn't even the end of day 1.
It comes down to do you believe the claim or not and I can't tell that until we hear from him
READ MY FIRST POST RAIN PLZ THEN TELL ME Y ELLI AGAIN. K? ELLI HAS ALSO BEEN SCUMHUNTING.Rain wrote:Y U NO LYNCH ELLI?
Two things. First, tunneling a semi-lurker is not contributing to the town in any way. It's a good way to look like you're scumhunting while lurking.Locke Lamora wrote:With Tasky, it's more the case that there is so little to analyse and so few links to be drawn. He votes for Jerbs early enough that it's hard to tell much about his alignment from it. His Zdenek vote is backed up about as much as the rest of his votes and after Zdenek has already garnered 3 votes to become the leading wagon, so it's hard to say whether that is a likely bus. I'll expound on my thoughts on the hammer more once Tasky tells us whether it was deliberately fake.
GreyICE: are you serious? I've been in the game for 3 days and made 5 (now 6) posts. How you can construe my contribution as tunneling Tasky is beyond me, but perhaps more to the point, how the hell does it make me the most likely candidate for scum?
And maybeLocke Lamora wrote:I'd barely even got into the game. I thought we'd gone to night less than 48 hours after I replaced in. Rob and Tasky were the two players who caught (or in Tasky's case, avoided) my attention when I first read through, so I asked them questions. As we're on the topic, perhaps you can tell me exactly where these productive comments Rob made about Drizzle/Zdenek are hiding.
I should say "OMGUS" here, but... eh. This feels right to me.RobCapone wrote:That last part screams "keep me alive so I can kill 1 more time"