sorry, I make my posts in the preview window Right, general game opinions, not responding to Greyice post yet (I am aware of it).
Lady Lambdadelta Zensei
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I actually thought Zensei had a decent head on him and agreed with what he was saying, so it was a bit of shame to see him go
I thought Lady Lambdadelta vote and reasoning on snowjordan was oppurtunistic and completely unaccepting of the fact that she was talking to a newbie and I didn't like it. The first two things in her list there are things that require previous knowledge, and she doesn't seem to internalize the fact that this newb obviously wouldn't have that. I think the last points weak as well, as he he clerly gave a reason as for why he was doing it. Now, that reason wasn't interally consistent, but I would jus ask, not throw a vote on at that point (not that I'm you, so this is kind of a moot point). The reason I dislike it generally is becuase it is a third vote on a wagon. The third vote is generally the vote that moves a wagon from a factor to being a plausible lynch for the day, and it has a huge rep for being scummy becuase it is a vote scum generally take because they can hide in not being groundbreaking and coming up with their own opinions/hiding in the crowd, and they are also pusing the wagon into being the aforementioned lynch possibility. It's an old school scumtell and if I explained it badly say so, because it's parts are still very valid. Anyway, I dislike it in this case because I thought the reasons LLD was going on were weak.
LLD streches a lot in what she says as well. I literally rolled my eyes when she posted the
Nice Scum Claim bud. In my PM, the XXX is replaced by MY NAME.
simply because she said it like it was some kind of revelation when I'd hope everyone here had twigged that it could easily be faked and that claim was functionally useless upon seeing it for the first time, especially after discussed it earlier in the game. (I also think that it was fairly blatantly a defiant gesture w/claim included, not an honest attempt to clear himself by claiming boilerplate townie, but that's my read, not yours.)
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Mhi200 -
There's the thing I mentioned before with Mhi but honestly since then I've haven't really minded him. He's been quiet, but I don't think he's been noticably so, if you get me. I like the calmness and the fact he is actively trying to respond to criticisms against him and not hope they go away, I think that speaks pretty well for him.
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Otolia mammut -
Very sure Oto is town. Very transparant posting.
Posting views on all townies when not under pressure to do so is town, and the fact that she is finding more people scummy than town speaks well, as generally scum set more people aside as town than scum. I like the fact that he was anal about knowing whether Sarg and Void had worked together previously, as I feel that that kind of conspiracy forming is town. I also really like the move to end the day as soon as he enters. It's an incredibly easy pattern for scum to fall into, extending the end of of a day for the sake of it, and arguing for quick end isn't something townies do often. His attack on MB53 is plausible, and I really like the opinion that MB53 is using SE status to make people more uncomfortable in their own reads. I don't agree with it, but it's a clever thing to think and implies the thought behind. I also liked the offhand dismissal of the MB53 rebuttal to his argument, as he is obviously active, so the fact he was willing to do that showed confidence in his views and his position indicative of town.
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Sarg338 -
Scummy. Since the snowjordan wagon appeared on wednesday he's done very little that is scumhunting related,whilst posting not infrequently, and even before that he wasn't doing a great deal. He has been coasting without his vote on anyone or making stances for a while now. Then he hits a -1 on the snowjordan wagon without really covering why, even in a basic fashion. My exact read of that would depend on how the reveal comes up, but I think his conduct this game so far has been scummy.
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snowjorden - This is covered in my earlier post, he hasn't done anything since then.
Voidedmafia -
I'll go into detail on this if you ask me too but I'm pretty sure voided is town and I think most other people are too. I think his opinions are just incredibly transparant.
GreyICE (SE) -
I think GreyIce is wrong about some stuff, but probably town.
I liked his list of alignment ranking. I do think he's got incredibly tunnelvisioned on snowjordan being scum and is shaping his world view around that, and could really do with stepping back and reassesing things, but anyway.
mb53 (SE) -
I think his jordan view is lazy and never adaquately explained. He gets an early read based on what appears to me as little and then later into the day moves it into a posititon of being fairly sure jordan is a mislynch, a switch that doesn't feel natural. And it's not my read, but I don't really get his read on orto. Especially the fact he sticks him at #1 for something I'd probably ignore.
orto wrote:In red another case of pointless aggressiveness. I don't know how you behave IRL, but I ask you to stop doing that. My post wasn't stupid, it had a purpose, and it's not because you can't understand it that it is stupid.
Quoting this just for comment. Orto, it's a big failing of mafia players in general to assume that people are going to read out of their posts everything they put into them. There's nothing wrong with putting that stuff in there but, don't get pissy when they don't see it and it was important, becuase it happens to us all.
Wasn't particularly a fan of MB53's response to ortos argument in line by line like that, felt like a by the numbers effort for the sake of rebuttal, not to try and convinve the person that you are town. I also think it's a scummy way of responding to arguments generally because it gives every line equal status without a view as to their importance within context.
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