Open 288 - Mayo Clinic (Game Over!)

[evilpacman18]

/confirm

[evilpacman18]

oh. woodpecker.

Correct.

[evilpacman18]

/confirm
I don't notice any odd words in my telegram

vote: Kagetora

[evilpacman18]

It's 2:30 our time. He won't be up for around for a bit.

[evilpacman18]

/confirm
I don't notice any odd words in my telegram

vote: Kagetora

Well with nothing much else to go on at this point...

Vote: Pacman

WOW. I just found scum with a joke. Today's gonna be a good day.

confirm vote: Kagetora

[evilpacman18]

Also curious on exactly how the logic process worked to "prove" I'm scum. You random vote me, I have nothing against me other than "I didn't read my PM very closely" and how do I defend against that? When I counter-random vote it makes me scum?

I voted you before the game even started, that should have clearly not been serious. And your vote wasn't "counter-random" as I hadn't placed a random vote on you. I had a fake vote on you that didn't even count because it was before the game. Let's take that term apart real quick.

Counter-random. Oxymoronic in and of itself, random in this case means without purpose, except that the purpose of the vote is to counter. BUT. What are you countering? A vote that didn't count because it was made BEFORE the game? Technically there was no vote. So there was nothing to counter but you chose to counter anyway. Bit defensive, aren't we? What do you have to be defensive about, eh?

[evilpacman18]

Lynch me if you wish.

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[evilpacman18]

Lynch me if you wish.

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1.

If you wish to call it that sure. I admit I was in the wrong and I don't see enough evidence to convict someone else or any evidence to defend myself.

Counter-random. Oxymoronic in and of itself, random in this case means without purpose, except that the purpose of the vote is to counter.

2.

I'm pretty sure what I meant was clear enough, even if it wasn't denotatively what I said. If you wish me to truly elucidate on what I meant please ask for a clarification rather than nitpick about the exact definitions of words.

BUT. What are you countering? A vote that didn't count because it was made BEFORE the game? Technically there was no vote. So there was nothing to counter but you chose to counter anyway. Bit defensive, aren't we? What do you have to be defensive about, eh?

3.

I withdrew my vote, and the inverse can also be said about you. Bit aggressive aren't we? What do you have to be aggressive about eh?

Not a convincing way to prove your innocence.

Unvote Vote: Kagetora

4.

Is there a convincing way to prove my innocence at this point in the game? I have no actions to back up my words other than my concession of a point I hadn't fully thought out.

1. You have several options here. Obviously it's gonna be a bit before you lynched since we're on PAGE TWO, you could talk until you sound more town or you could build a stronger case on someone else in a few pages. Giving certainly isn't the way to go about continuing on in the game.

2. I'm not nitpicking about exact definitions. You contradicted yourself in two consecutive words! How is that even POSSIBLE?! It's rare to see people contradict themselves in consecutive posts and you did it in TWO WORDS. It's like a miracle.

3. Withdrawing your vote doesn't nullify the scumminess of it. And yes I'm being aggressive. You being scum is what I have to be aggressive about.

4. Again. Giving up on page 2 isn't the best way to go about it.

[evilpacman18]

Can i swear without getting modkilled?

Yes

And how do i do that white line thingy over the Vote thingy

Code: Select all

[Vote]player's name[/vote]

[evilpacman18]

VOTE: parknourie

What is this.

[evilpacman18]

Okay i got a question,

How do i write in bold without the white line thingy i.e for unvoting and voting stuff

COMMON SENSE, MAN. TRY IT.

[evilpacman18]

Ok then well I'll open a final gambit because I'll probably get lynched by the bandwagon at this point.

I'm a vigilante and if you let me survive this day I'll do what I can to prove it to you.

I understand that you probably want to kill me because you've never seen my play style and am therefore a somewhat random factor in this game. I promise you I have not lied at all during this game and if you lynch me you can prove that.

Why would you accept defeat if you were such an important town PR?

[evilpacman18]

unvote: kagetora

for now

This guy is town.

[evilpacman18]

@andrew, whats L1?

L-# means how many votes left till a person gets lynched.

[evilpacman18]

Thanks Mod

CONTENT PLEASE

[evilpacman18]

Ok then well I'll open a final gambit because I'll probably get lynched by the bandwagon at this point.

I'm a vigilante and if you let me survive this day I'll do what I can to prove it to you.

I understand that you probably want to kill me because you've never seen my play style and am therefore a somewhat random factor in this game. I promise you I have not lied at all during this game and if you lynch me you can prove that.

Why would you accept defeat if you were such an important town PR?

There's 5 votes against me, and I remember that once votes reach a critical mass it's pretty common for others to vote with the bandwagon so as not to seem suspicious. Nothing else I was doing seemed to work. After consulting with another person I know we agreed this was probably the best course of action to take.

[ b ] text [ / b ] for bold text.

and, VOTE: kagetora

Your reaction to being jokingly accused was far too paranoid, sorry.

In hindsight I agree, but what's done is done. What I've said is what I've said, I take back none of it.

Maybe you should consult with someone who's not a dumbass.

There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Players who can communicate outside of the forum postings may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.

Also, you're scum AND need to be modkilled.

[evilpacman18]

Vote: Chocolate Cake

Totally not on my side on this game.

This guy just claimed scum.

[evilpacman18]

Vote: Chocolate Cake

Totally not on my side on this game.

This guy just claimed scum.

Explain please? So who just admitted scum? Park or Cake? By the sound of things its cake at the moment

Cake is town so park must be scum since they're not on the same side.

[evilpacman18]

Chocolate Cake needs to stop pulling random terms he learned from the Mafia Wiki. Labeling and scumhunting are two very different things and you're doing more of the former than the latter.

[evilpacman18]

i cannot find how many mafia, how many town, how many etc there are.

6 Docs
2 Vigilantes
2 Mafia Goons
1 Mafia Doc
1 SK

[evilpacman18]

I hate when people don't understand the difference between not knowing who to lynch and wanting to no lynch. There's NO NEED OR RUSH to place your vote. No lynching D1 is ridiculously idiotic. You don't need to have your vote on it just because you don't have anyone to vote for.

[evilpacman18]

he has tried to defend himself to the very end.

Lynch me if you wish

I'm disappointed. I had a town read on you, vatesi. No more.

[evilpacman18]

Yes. Counter claim = claim in order to save yourself.

Not at all -_-

Counter claiming is when someone claims the same role that someone else already claimed. It doesn't work as well in games with this setup because of how many PRs appear more than once.

[evilpacman18]

Marill, go read vatesi's interactions with Kage again. What do you think? When he unvoted Kage at L-1 I assumed it was to avoid a lynch on Page 3 so that post looked VERY pro-town to me. His recent defense of Kage AFTER his wagon has gone down to 3 people has at least 3 blatant lies in it and is one of the worst posts I've seen all game and it changes the alignment of his other notable post drastically. Now it just looks like not wanting to bus a scumbuddy by page 3.

[evilpacman18]

Blatant lie #1

The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.

Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)

SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.

Blatant lie #3

but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.

[evilpacman18]

I'm not scum so Rain is ConfScum.

Whaaaat...?

Unless I missed something (this is possible) the entire post this quote comes from is ridiculous unnecessary OMGUS.

[evilpacman18]

I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-

Again, I could possibly be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've seen an extremely similar post to this somewhere in the thread. Who are you parroting? Is it Chocolate Cake?

[evilpacman18]

Oh I found it! It's Rain's post RIGHT ABOVE THAT POST!

Marill... what are you doing?

[evilpacman18]

Also, you say I'm "probably scum" yet your vote is on Kage and you have barely commented on him. Do elaborate.

Quadruple post. Rain has two legitimate posts so far in the game. Kage is the main topic of both of them.

[evilpacman18]

I have half a mind to change my vote to MrBump (I slipped and called him marill because that's what he was on the site I first met him on). Nobody else has made me quadruple post.

[evilpacman18]

Oh jeez. You can't make a post that long without including the names of the people you quote. I don't even wanna read this post now.

[evilpacman18]

Sigh this is gonna be a long post. Curse you sleeping time

I hate when people don't understand the difference between not knowing who to lynch and wanting to no lynch. There's NO NEED OR RUSH to place your vote. No lynching D1 is ridiculously idiotic. You don't need to have your vote on it just because you don't have anyone to vote for.

I've always played, and still believe, that while you still have the opportunity to, lynching when you have no real reason to do so tends to be more harmful to the town than helpful. That's why I promote no lynch on the first day.

Lynching when you have no real reason is always dumb. That's obvious. But why is it impossible to have no reason on the first day? By now there's enough reason to lynch several people and it's the first day. You talk until there's reason. If we just no lynched prematurely under the mentality that the first day can't productive, how many days would go by before we felt we had reason? It doesn't magically appear on the second day. Create conversation. Argue. Agree and disagree with what people are saying, then you'll have reason. Even on the first day. But you just seem eager to waste as much of the town's time as possible.

Putting things in "quotes" like that acts like you are quoting what was said by people, DESPITE THE FACT NO ONE SAID YOU WERE PROVED. You're making your situation worse than it is.

If I wanted to truly quote something, as I am doing, I would put it in the quotes that the forum provides for us. "Writing something like this" is more or less akin to using your fingers in the air, not a word for word quote. You're misreading my post.

I... I... I... So we caught him, eh? Everyone was so focused on the "Lynch me" that no one really noticed the "Valid point" part. Because we caught him.
ALSO, notice how he's so intent on No Lynching because odds say we'll hit Town if we lynch. Yet he's willing to be lynched? HMMMMMMM...

Dropping off the context that came afterward isn't helping your argument. I withdrew my vote because when it was pointed out that the initial vote against me was in jest, and that was a valid point. If you had read what I had said afterwards, I don't want to be lynched. This was merely a semi-defeatism.

"If I were Mafia" is basically a way of saying "I'm Mafia so I acted like Town and when people called me out on it I would go WELL Y'SEE IF I WERE MAFIA I WOULDN'T DO THAT so therefore I can't lose!"

Well I promise you I'm not scum, and that's a word I don't see very often online. It was a hypothetical situation that you are again, misreading.

If he's misreading it, why don't you give us the way it was supposed to be read?

>Final gambit on D1 on Page 3 at L-2
I think he said at one point something along the lines of "Well generally you claim at L-1" BUT YOU WEREN'T AT L-1.
More "lynch me" AtE going on there.

Several things here. With the full game still around, L2 is pretty close and would likely get me voted off by sheer bandwagon. My claim actually saved me by removing several votes against me. Roleclaiming was what I considered the safest possible route to take. Also, if you're familiar with Aristotle's theory of persuasion, appeal to emotion is a powerful part of persuasion and I'm not entirely sure why such an appeal is so bad, when really the logic that has been presented is inherently flawed.

Persuasion has no place in town defense. It's for scum and people trying to lead a wagon to use, nobody else. I will admit, you did pick the right time to claim, however.

Blatant lie #1

The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.

Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)

SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.

Blatant lie #3

but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.

Could you explain how any of these are lies? The first one is a very good point to make, and the second one is as well. The third one isn't entirely true, I did display defeatism, but that's not necessarily a lie.

The first one is untrue because of the possibility of counter claims, which I see as a good idea in a game with this setup where town is almost guaranteed to have a doc into the endgame. The second one just isn't true at all. SKs, goons, and vigs might share killing in common, but the roles are about as different as they could possibly be. Also implying that we wanted to lynch you BECAUSE you claimed vig was the bigger blatant lie of that quote. And the third IS necessarily a blatant lie so I'm not even gonna touch it.

Kagetora's views seem so alien to me. Promoting No Lynch, claimed vigilante but advocating not killing someone because that target may be town. His general play so far seems to be "play safe". I do not like.

Fair enough. If that's really why people want to lynch me, there's nothing I can really do to defend myself against that.

Also misrepping his wagon, just like his scumbuddy vat.

I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-

See above points. I don't think it's entirely random but when I was initially targeted I don't understand the "logic" (also see above about use of quotation marks) behind and so it seems random to me.

KAGE DO you realise (if your vig) that vigs are COMPULSIVE BRO.

Yes. Yes I do. I asked the mod to ensure that the compulsive was meant to be there. (Paraphrasing is allowed)

My side = Town.
The end of the story.

Parknourie, so Chocolate Cake is Scum because you're Town? Oh, Chocolate Cake is ConfScum!

To me this seems awfully scummy. You refuse to accept my claim to town when my survival depends on it, but you simply accept Park's when it's unlikely they'll receive enough votes to warrant a claim this early? I'm considering changing my vote at this point almost solely due to that.

You're... stupid.

Can we please get votes back on this guy?

[evilpacman18]

Hold on a second. This just jumped out at me.

Persuasion has no place in town defense. It's for scum and people trying to lead a wagon to use, nobody else. I will admit, you did pick the right time to claim, however.

Maybe you should consult with someone who's not a dumbass.

Is this a change of opinion or a contradiction?

Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.

Lynching when you have no real reason is always dumb. That's obvious. But why is it impossible to have no reason on the first day? By now there's enough reason to lynch several people and it's the first day. You talk until there's reason. If we just no lynched prematurely under the mentality that the first day can't productive, how many days would go by before we felt we had reason? It doesn't magically appear on the second day. Create conversation. Argue. Agree and disagree with what people are saying, then you'll have reason. Even on the first day. But you just seem eager to waste as much of the town's time as possible.

It's still all unfounded speculation. Have you even considered that maybe these people don't have an ulterior motive and simply arguing the hole in the logic? I will almost always support a lynch on the second day, when we have BOTH actions and words that we can speculate on, rather than just one of the two.

Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.

If he's misreading it, why don't you give us the way it was supposed to be read?

I am doing the best that I can, and also on most forums, putting stuff in

this kind of quote[ /quote] versus "this kind of quote" is a very big difference which I'm sure you can attest to.

The first one is untrue because of the possibility of counter claims, which I see as a good idea in a game with this setup where town is almost guaranteed to have a doc into the endgame. The second one just isn't true at all. SKs, goons, and vigs might share killing in common, but the roles are about as different as they could possibly be.

Also implying that we wanted to lynch you BECAUSE you claimed vig was the bigger blatant lie of that quote.

And the third IS necessarily a blatant lie so I'm not even gonna touch it.

Has anyone counter-claimed my role? The second one is true. They have the same POWER but not the same objective. I'm pretty much positive this is what he means. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying in the italics part of the quote.

If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.

You're... stupid.

Can we please maintain some civility here? I don't believe I've directly insulted you at all this game, I'd ask that you please do the same for me.

Say things that make sense. Then we'll talk.

[evilpacman18]

Kage is proving to us the value of the newbie game

QFT.
Frankly, I'm having a harder time seeing him as scum than I was before. He's just completely underprepared and way too inexperienced for this. Still, I'm seeing newbscum. Not newbtown.

[evilpacman18]

Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.

I'm seeing you calling my friend a dumbass because he and I agreed that roleclaiming was the right option to take. And I still haven't lied yet.

Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.

Any discussion on the first day will be unfounded speculation, you have no hard evidence that can be used to prove or disprove a hypothesis. If you lynch me, you merely prove my point. I am a vigilante, and if/when you lynch me and prove it so, then you will have proven that all of this is unfounded speculation.

If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.

No it's not. He's saying that since I claimed vigilante, you can't know for sure that I personally killed someone, when there are plenty of other people who can mess with my claim.

Say things that make sense. Then we'll talk.

We have been talking, and your aggressive nature makes much less sense than the defensive one you put me in.

@CC: Sure thing. As for the no lynching argument and defeatism, this comes from my experiences of playing this game everyday with my friends and the conclusions we have collectively come to.

[evilpacman18]

crap. That wasn't supposed to happen. Ignore that.

[evilpacman18]

Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.

1. I'm seeing you calling my friend a dumbass because he and I agreed that roleclaiming was the right option to take. And I still haven't lied yet.

Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.

2. Any discussion on the first day will be unfounded speculation, you have no hard evidence that can be used to prove or disprove a hypothesis. If you lynch me, you merely prove my point. I am a vigilante, and if/when you lynch me and prove it so, then you will have proven that all of this is unfounded speculation.

If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.

3. No it's not. He's saying that since I claimed vigilante, you can't know for sure that I personally killed someone, when there are plenty of other people who can mess with my claim.

Say things that make sense. Then we'll talk.

4. We have been talking, and your aggressive nature makes much less sense than the defensive one you put me in.

@CC: Sure thing. As for the no lynching argument and defeatism, this comes from my experiences of playing this game everyday with my friends and the conclusions we have collectively come to.

1. Go back and read the post you linked. I asked you why would you ACCEPT DEFEAT (obviously a reference to your saying "lolwutever just lynch me") if you were a vig. Then you said "lol I broke the rules and asked my friend and he told me to." Then I called him a dumbass. NOWHERE do you specify that you asked him about claiming so I'm SUPPOSED to assume that we were talking about the functional part of my post that you quoted, the accepting defeat part. I would be the stupid one to assume otherwise.

2.

THIS IS MAFIA

YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MAIN POINT OF THIS GAME. EVERY SINGLE THING SAID IS GONNA BE ROOTED IN SPECULATION. IT'S THE

POINT

OF THE GAME!!!!!!!

3. Yeah. You're right, actually.

4. Ignoring this.

[evilpacman18]

You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. Yes, interpreting what other people say is good, but it simply cannot be the only thing you go off of. Yes it can be used as evidence, but without any actions, what good is it? Not much. And once again, if your incorrect speculation as to my scum nature results in my lynch, you will prove my point.

Oh I see. You're one of those noobs that thinks that the game can't be played without examining kills, claims, PR usage, etc. That's not true at all. For instance. Go read any game. It's SUPER RARE for scum to be caught because of who they killed. Also, how do you explain the countless lynches of scum before any of this information made itself available. The town is never well-informed and that doesn't get that much better until endgame in general. You're implying that all early lynches of scum are nothing more than dumb luck just because helpful solid information wasn't available. Blatant lie.

[evilpacman18]

More people need to post more stuff in this thread.

[evilpacman18]

You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. Yes, interpreting what other people say is good, but it simply cannot be the only thing you go off of. Yes it can be used as evidence, but without any actions, what good is it? Not much. And once again, if your incorrect speculation as to my scum nature results in my lynch, you will prove my point.

Oh I see. You're one of those noobs that thinks that the game can't be played without examining kills, claims, PR usage, etc. That's not true at all. For instance. Go read any game. It's SUPER RARE for scum to be caught because of who they killed. Also, how do you explain the countless lynches of scum before any of this information made itself available. The town is never well-informed and that doesn't get that much better until endgame in general. You're implying that all early lynches of scum are nothing more than dumb luck just because helpful solid information wasn't available. Blatant lie.

I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. The first day, it is very rare for an accurate lynch to happen in my experience. I'll leave it at that.

@MrBump: How have you missed the many clarifications I've posted? To finally settle the matter I sent a PM to the mod to ensure that I am indeed allowed to discuss with people not related to this forum. If this isn't true, then I won't do it again and I'll admit I misread the rules. Until then, drop the subject, please. It's getting us nowhere and repeating myself is getting tiresome.

Your experience?

[evilpacman18]

So.... Kage is scum, MrBump looks more like MrBus, and the third's active lurking. Amirite?

Quite possibly. Kage still looks like newbscum to me mainly because of his stubbornness. In our arguments he's raised some good points and I've been totally willing to accept that I was wrong on a thing or two here or there. I expect that from every town player. Town know and accept that they can't be right every time. Kage here refuses to accept that no lynch is a bad idea and keeps throwing the whole "lynch me if you want, I still think D1NL is the best idea even though everyone else is giving me myriad reasons why it's insanely idiotic" out there. I was sort of like this my first game (I was scum) because with a bunch of formidable players (granted, that game had a more impressive player list), you think that if you say something wrong, you're gonna be lynched. (I played a much better first game than this guy though, just saying. I lived to the end.)

MrBump is looking scummy but I wouldn't say he's in my top 3 yet. The active lurker in the group would be vatesi. He's definitely scum. Notice how he's shut up since I called him out. Scared. I don't see the park wagon. I'm not saying I think he's town, he's on the semi-scummy side in my read, but I don't see enough for a case on him, let alone 2 votes (just 1 less than Kage IIRC, which is madness).

Predit: Going off of andrew's point, it would add an interesting dynamic to the game and make it an easy town win if both vigs claimed. We have Kage as a potential one so if two vigs outed themselves, we'd have one definite scum and if only one more comes out, we can put his lynch off for a bit. The main thing the doctors need to do is make sure we don't ALL protect the claimed vigs. One doc for each vig and then other docs just protect a random person from their other town reads and I think it could be a fairly easy town win. Not saying vigs should claim right after reading this post, I'd like some input from a bunch of the other players. I'm just speculating.

[evilpacman18]

Blatant lie #1

The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.

Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)

SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.

Blatant lie #3

but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.

Active lurker kay, I'll accept that.

1. How can we validate a vigilante claim? I still don't see how.
2. Sorry they don't have 'exactly' the same powers, I forgot SK was bulletproof. I was trying to explain why we couldn't validate a vigilante, whatever.
3. I saw him as defending himself, if not in a resigned manner.

I'll admit this is my first mafia game online. I was lurking for a bit because of how you shot down my previous post. Kgo, show me how I'm scummy this time.

I can definitely show you how you're scummy this time. First of all, when I was writing the part where I called you an active lurker, first thing I thought was "he's gonna reply now since lurking is scummy." You probably would have looked more town just continuing lurking cuz now it seems that you're trying to please me. Also you're not reading since somewhere in mine and Kage's argument we agreed that #2 isn't really a blatant lie and I already explained #1, just read my post before this. Also, "resigned?" How could you possibly dispute that he didn't give up?

[evilpacman18]

er pack im pretty sure i said its a bad idea.

its all gonna be wifom on who to protect

Exactly! The scum are gonna be more subject to the wifom than we will. They could guess that the docs would protect the vigs and aim for some other town and then the docs could possibly get away with not even protecting the vigs or they could guess that the docs are all gonna try to protect someone who doesn't claim vig because someone else will do it and aim for the vigs but there's no way ALL 6 doctors wouldn't protect either of the vigs. It puts both scum factions (Mafia and SK) in a position where they have to make a tough choice and any choice has an extremely high chance of being totally wrong.

[evilpacman18]

Do you really care if I lied or not at this point in time?

unvote, vote: vatesi

[evilpacman18]

ITT we also see this guy parroting and not getting called out on it.


Excuse me, ladies. I HAVEN'T BEEN SCUMMY. I have done EXACTLY the same things others have done but HAVEN'T been called out on it.
Klazam just HAPPENS to choose me because I "jumped on Kage". I was the second voter in what was basically RVS. That's called "having no evidence"

"Hey, this guy is parroting! Scum!"

"Hey I'm not scum! All I've been doing is parroting!"

Because reaction testing doesn't exist. I ask questions in games all the time to see how people react. Fuck.

So every scummy thing you say, you're allowed to get away "Oh I wasn't serious, I was just seeing what you would say." No.

I'm not too keen on the vig claim plan. First of all, we have no means to verify claims yet. We'd also need 2 docs per vig, just in case SK and mafia targets the same claimed vig, which means we'd need 4 claimed docs to coordinate protection. Lastly, we also have to hope that the 4 claimed docs aren't scum, which again can not be verified in the next couple of days.

Ah, very good point. I didn't think about the SK and scum working together. I'm pretty sure that puts an unfixable dent in the idea.


Guys......

Who should we lynch?

[evilpacman18]

SK and mafia stacking kills blows a hole in this otherwise-OK plan.

Woop. ninja'd. Guess I should read every post to catch up before I post my own thoughts.

[evilpacman18]

I would like to lynch Kage now if nobody agrees with me on vatesi. Also I'm not accusing you of parroting, I just pointed out what the quote in your post looked like to me. And it looked bad. If anyone accused you of parroting, it was you.

[evilpacman18]

Back to Kage then.

unvote, vote: Kage

[evilpacman18]

Forget the "parroting" issue (I'm not even sure what that's referring to).

I'm not scum so Rain is ConfScum.

I just used some logic that had been used in this thread by two of those three people.

I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-

Also, you say I'm "probably scum" yet your vote is on Kage and you have barely commented on him. Do elaborate.

The bolded is scummy. We called you down on it, and you just dismiss it with "lolreactiontesting" which is you trying to climb out of the grave you dug along with your cutsie "bitch please" pictures. Rain is also spot on in that you're going along with the easiest targets: Kage/wizrak/parknourie, aaah or vatesi. Kage is dropping a bunch of null newbtells that EPM is pushing hard for some unknown reason, but you're riding the EPM wave there. wizrak and aaah are probably not scum, they just don't know how to play the game. vatesi and park are actually kind of scummy, but I'm not really seeing that much thought from you as to why they are.

tl,dr: You failed, scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: MrBump

This lynch isn't gonna happen today. It can happen eventually, I'm for that. But today I don't see it happening at all. I understand he's top of your scumlist, but right now it's a wasted vote. Same reason I got off vatesi so quick.

[evilpacman18]

unvote

I can't do it. I REALLY can't stand this guy right now and would be more than happy to have him out of the game but he's just foolish newbtown. Newbscum, when enough people tell them their opinion is stupid, will try to please the people by changing their opinion. This guy is stubborn as hell and no matter how much we tell him how dumb he sounds with the no lynch idea, he's not gonna change his mind. It's annoying as shit. But it's town.

Vatesi wagon not happening?

vote: mrbump

[evilpacman18]

FOS MrBump

Also curious on exactly how the logic process worked to "prove" I'm scum. You random vote me, I have nothing against me other than "I didn't read my PM very closely" and how do I defend against that? When I counter-random vote it makes me scum?

Putting things in "quotes" like that acts like you are quoting what was said by people, DESPITE THE FACT NO ONE SAID YOU WERE PROVED. You're making your situation worse than it is..

This i find a good indication of what MrBump has done which i do agree with the fact he did find evidence of scum slip from Kage. But Kage claimed Vigilante so lets move on.

I voted you before the game even started, that should have clearly not been serious. And your vote wasn't "counter-random" as I hadn't placed a random vote on you. I had a fake vote on you that didn't even count because it was before the game. Let's take that term apart real quick.

Valid point. Lynch me if you wish.

Unvote

I... I... I... So we caught him, eh? Everyone was so focused on the "Lynch me" that no one really noticed the "Valid point" part. Because we caught him.
ALSO, notice how he's so intent on No Lynching because odds say we'll hit Town if we lynch. Yet he's willing to be lynched? HMMMMMMM...

I find this very suspicious. I think at this point MrBump was aiming for Easy targets here. Of course Kage can flip mafia but since he claimed Vig. i do not know what else to say at this moment until night 1 passes.

To sum up till this point of MrBump, he is only emphasising the fact that Kage is very mafia like. Going for easy targets, wanting fast lynch.

Im not scum so Rain is ConfScum

He moves on to Rain for some reason. as Rain noticed, Mrbump is pick on easy targets. i agree.

Overall, MrBump is just commenting on what others say and just says agree or not.. (Parroting on what others say)
And of course reinforces.

Can we lynch Kage now?

this is very scum tell. Kage of course is a very easy target but no need to rush as this is only day 1 and he claimed vig so i want to see what happens at night.

Why aren't you voting MrBump? Also why are you jumping on easy targets?

[evilpacman18]

But Kage claimed Vigilante so lets move on.

The claim is only as trustworthy as the person who claims it. So far, not so much.

Also, the tonight's outcome can neither deny nor confirm any claims at all. There are a lot of kill powers and 7 protections to boot. Any claimed vigs can brush off their failed kill attempts, blaming on miscommunication with docs. A decently strong cooperation would basically require mass claim, which is ill advised at this point. I don't think I can stress this enough; D1 claims can not be trusted, and N1 coordination is ineffective.

That being said, we have to take into account that we only have 2 vigs. Kage could be lying (I hope to God he is, I'd hate to have a vig with little to no intuition) but it's not something we necessarily want to risk on the first day. It's unfortunate that Kage is unCCable.

[evilpacman18]

Is anybody besides me really starting to hate this MrBump wagon (which happened entirely too quickly, while the park wagon never really got off the ground)?

Rereading time.

While you're doing that, make a list of the people on both wagons. Might be helpful.

[evilpacman18]

At least one out of Kage, vatesi, and bump has to be scum. I'll cry if none of them of are.
Also, out of park, aaah, and let's say wasamasas, there's almost guaranteed to be one scum.

We're lynching one of these 6 today. That's just given. If who we lynch flips scum, the other two in the group are more likely to be scum and if they flip town, the 3 in the other group are more likely to be scum. It's highly unlikely that more than 1 scum ISN'T in those 6. It's also fairly unlikely that all 3 scum are in those 6. That's how I'm seeing it right now.

[evilpacman18]

Actually, I'm gonna change the groups to Kage/vatesi/park and aaah/bump/wasamasas. I'm seeing some really weird interactions between bump and aaah.

[evilpacman18]

Cool story bro, scumteam is still Kage/park/wizrak.

Oh, you're not mafia, you're the SK.

Thanks for clarifying for us.

I'm tempted to revote you (if you are the SK, it means getting rid of one possible NK altogether), but I'm not near 100% confident on you like I am on park.

Why the hell is your vote where it is?

[evilpacman18]

Because it's on scum?

What are you asking?

Just kidding. Hopefully you see where that post came from.

[evilpacman18]

Which is why people agree with me. I cba to upload another Bitch Please pic.

Since when do people agree with you?

[evilpacman18]

First, how's that a slip for me being SK? Second, I don't really think of TP of scum. They're more two teams of scum, so there's

one team of three

, the SCUM, then a team of one, the SK.

Yes, and you selectively scumhunt for that one team of three.

That's how it's a slip.

I put them on a team because they're all fucking obvious. They're all really scummy, even if they're not really LINKED, I could see them all being scum.

You can get off your high horse, because it's not obvious...at all.

Not to defend him or anything but I don't anyone's looking for the SK as actively as they're looking for Mafia currently.

[evilpacman18]

Park has barely posted. We're not lynching him today.

[evilpacman18]

Every time Kage posts I consider suicide.

[evilpacman18]

Notice how vat comes around every time someone mentions vat isn't coming around.

[evilpacman18]

Kage, there is just... I don't even...

*breathe*

Grow a pair. Vote for someone.

Let's just say I agreed with you for a second. Who do I vote for? The people who are honestly attracting my attention both have plenty of votes on them already, and changing from an ardent nl stance to voting either of them looks awfully scummy, which I seem to already have a rep for. Plus, one of the two has been hammering me from day 1. Going for a hammer would only increase the apparent scumminess.

So being stubborn and useless is how you look more pro-town? Yeah good strategy.

[evilpacman18]

Vatesi shamelessly admits to active lurking.

Chocolate Cake (Carrotcake? Or is it a coincidence?) is on crack. One of {Kagetora, MrBump,Vatesi} should be lynched.

LISTEN TO THIS GUY. HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.

[evilpacman18]

I just realized why vatesi doesn't have more votes on him. And this is gonna go against a lot of what other people and myself have said but it's just a theory. I think scum are pushing mislynches by having one or two hop on every time we start an incorrect wagon, which leads the more impressionable players to follow suit. Vatesi's wagon (obviously a good one) hasn't taken off because none of the scum will help to drive it forward. It must be right.

Free town points to whoever helps me

unvote, vote: vatesi

[evilpacman18]

Also after class I'm gonna track all of the votes in the game so far and look for patterns.

[evilpacman18]

Why I feel wizrak is scum:

1) Choosing to misrepresent me and Cake; claiming that cake said something that he never did.
2) being insulting, and using that to post things, which does not advance the game. BTW, you are contradicting yourself, because you ask for a modkill when you yourself are not a paragon of civility.
3) Voting me because i havent posted, after the game actually has moved on, and people actually started posting scummy things. This vote was opportunistic, in my opinion.
4) Too many one-liners, which does not help the game move forward.
5) He asked the mod to resend the role pm..... After he already confirmed, proving that he read it. Now, forgetting what your role is would be hard to do. I know exactly what my role is. What would be easy is: Forgetting your scummates' names, and/or needling a link to scum QT. This is honestly one of the more damning things about Wiz for me. Look at it this way: If he wasnt sure exactly what a protown role did, he could check the first page. Everything is there. What's not? SCUM.

Also, Wiz could you explain exactly what this post means?

I also have to say that Mr Bump is getting quite suspicious due to his aggresive behaviour (as it seems as if he is getting raped by Klazam while I am by several ppl as a fucking tool) and his effort to switch the spotlight from him to me (despite the fact that I wasnt saying anything)

It sounds like an defensive accusation of mrbump to me.

This is the reason why my vote is where it is.

I almost got mad when I started reading this post because it wasn't a vote for Kage or vatesi or Bump but by number 5 I was really impressed. I hadn't paid attention to Wiz but my opinion on him was swayed. Great case and I love your thinking outside the box on the last point.
Also, about your post on Kage, I kind of agree but I feel like he NEEDS to be policy lynched ASAP just for being so anti-town (anti-town and scummy are different) and I feel like he's dangerous as a vig. I don't exactly trust him with that power.

[evilpacman18]

I am not swapping votes because

Kage is scum

and all that jazz. Why he isn't dead is beyond me. He suggests No Lynching because the odds are against us lynching scum (or Serial Killer or WHATEVER)...

Yet he has a compulsive kill tonight

which, as odds go, he has bad odds of hitting scum.

Make up your mind, MrScum. Do you think he's scum or do you think he's vig?

Also... can we have a consensus to not protect Kage tonight? >.>

This is a misrep though I'm gonna assume it was unintentional since I want to believe you're town. He's speaking in the perspective of Kage to point out that Kage is being contradictory.

[evilpacman18]

Bump votes EPM (1)
Rain votes wasamasas (1)
Kage votes EPM (2)
EPM votes Kage (1)
Bump unvotes EPM (1)
Bump votes Kage (2)
Kage unvotes EPM (0)
park votes wiz (1)
andrew unvotes for no reason whatsoever
andrew votes wasamasas (2)
park unvotes wiz (0)
park votes Kage (3)
Rain unvotes wasamasas (0)
Rain votes Kage (4)



Wow lol. I don't even need to finish. It can not be this easy but it looks like it just might be. Scumteam is vatesi, park, and bump. Boom baby.

[evilpacman18]

Been thinking about how I really don't want Kage to be town and I think it's pretty possible that he might be the SK. It explains his ridiculously scummy behavior and makes vig a good claim because he can kill as well so tomorrow he could claim responsibility for a kill.

[evilpacman18]

Bump votes EPM (1)
Rain votes wasamasas (1)
Kage votes EPM (2)
EPM votes Kage (1)
Bump unvotes EPM (1)
Bump votes Kage (2)
Kage unvotes EPM (0)
park votes wiz (1)
andrew unvotes for no reason whatsoever
andrew votes wasamasas (2)
park unvotes wiz (0)
park votes Kage (3)
Rain unvotes wasamasas (0)
Rain votes Kage (4)



Wow lol. I don't even need to finish. It can not be this easy but it looks like it just might be. Scumteam is vatesi, park, and bump. Boom baby.

Can you elaborate on exactly how you came to that conclusion? I'm not seeing it.

Assume Kage is a mislynch. Now look at who votes Kage. Now look at their reasons. Now add vatesi to the other two you see being scummy. There you go.

[evilpacman18]

Vat- answer these questions:
1) who are your top three most scummy players in this game, and why?
2) if you had to vote for one, which would it be and why?

2 will be answered in 1

[evilpacman18]

Vat- answer these questions:
1) who are your top three most scummy players in this game, and why?
2) if you had to vote for one, which would it be and why?

2 will be answered in 1

I know. I still want both to be answered.

Assuming you have some town motive. I won't get in your way. I know how annoying it is when people do that (MARILL).

[evilpacman18]

Not counting the mod, 5 different people have posted since I explained why vatesi has to be lynched today. He could be at L-1 right now and he's still at L-6. What is this nonsense?

[evilpacman18]

Actually I was suggesting that yoyo would have been lynched much earlier D1 in WWX if you hadn't gotten in my way but way to be defensive.

[evilpacman18]

WWXI rather.

[evilpacman18]

On an unrelated note, vatesi needs waaaaaaaaay moar votes.

fixed

[evilpacman18]

Yes! More of this!

[evilpacman18]

By the way, marill, I appreciate that you're helping to bus your scumbuddy. I'll try to have you lynched last, after the other three that need to go.

[evilpacman18]

Well we'll have to lynch the SK, he's not NKable. I have Kage as the top candidate for that role. So with him, park, and vatesi lynched first, ASSUMING, we're correct on all of them (Kage being SK is a bit graspy, sure, but I'm confident about the three mafia reads) it'll be easy to save the best for last. That would be you.

Also, you should be used to me talking like I worked out every single scum in the game without a single flip.

[evilpacman18]

I'm not sure if it's confirmation bias, but all I see is MrBump trying to delay the day by talking about past games (I assume that's what WWX refers to?) and obsessing over typo's. I'd be really surprised if he flips pro-town.

Klazam's PM argument is plausible. Wizrak's defense is poor. I could see a kiwi scum.

Can we agree not to protect Kage then? Let the other vig (or the real vigs? o.O) deal with him. If he survives, we'll know for sure he's scum (either got mafia doc protected, or is SK).

V/LA til Sunday. Might be able to post tomorrow morning. Sorry.

Before you leave, vote vatesi.

[evilpacman18]

Cake, why have you been ignoring vatesi the entire game?

[evilpacman18]

Klazam. I doubt any docs are gonna protect wizrak. Let him get NK'd. He's a waste of a lynch and I don't believe he's scum.

[evilpacman18]

Park is last on my scum list but... he's on my scum list. I just wanna see a flip at this point. (And hopefully wizrak NK'd)

unvote, vote: Park

[evilpacman18]

Cake calm down. I actually respect you more than anyone except Rain this game. If that makes you feel any better.

[evilpacman18]

LoL, stop using me as a sand bag ffs

You're not the only person I wish would get NK'd.

[evilpacman18]

Stop having little bitch fights and lynch someone.

[evilpacman18]

Mod: Consider a modkill of wizrak based on violation of the golden rule. Specifically the being considerate of others part. His trolling and everybody reacting to it (including myself, unfortunately) instead of actually playing the game is hindering my having fun and probably a couple other peoples' too.

[evilpacman18]

unvote, vote: deadline reduction

[evilpacman18]

At the risk of sounding egotistical, so many players just make absolutely no sense and need to play a Newbie game first for the love of God.

QFT

[evilpacman18]

Docs need to not protect VIs tonight and SK and vigs need to take them all out. This is pissing me off.

[evilpacman18]

Thank you, Mod =D

VOTE: Kagetora
I'd much rather lynch Kage today than Park, tbh. Park is Vig fodder.
What Pac said, kill the VIs tonight. This game must have around five or six people who have never played before.

No. Do the right thing. Put him at L-1. I'm not sure if I'm the only person that's noticed or what but everybody's getting stupider because this day has gone on for way too long. It needs to end and we need a short break and some flips for info to get any farther. And we're not dropping the park wagon and starting another. It's too late for that. I don't even care if park isn't on your scumlist, let alone if he's not your top scum. Pro-town behavior right now is just ending the day so we can get on with this game.

[evilpacman18]

Aaah. Finish it. Go.

[evilpacman18]

I don't blame Oli for taking long. I just got up myself.

[evilpacman18]

My god. I leave for 2 days and this is what happens?

Was a flame war really necessary?

Pro-town behavior right now is just ending the day so we can get on with this game.

Not quite, when both Klazam and I declared V/LA. Also, deadline's in just shy of 2 weeks.

By the way, Klazam's hammer was

way

out of place. You just shot through my scum meter,

especially

since you said you had something to add. Why on Earth would you hammer before you shared your thoughts? I call bluff.

Klazam's hammer wasn't way out of place at all. Maybe he just agreed with me.

[evilpacman18]

That happened to me once. I replaced in at night and was killed that same night. Sucked. Anyway. I'd like to formally apologize for sheeping Cake. Obviously I'm taking his reads less seriously from here on out.

[evilpacman18]

New day. Don't start tunneling so early.

[evilpacman18]

Wow, sucks to be DLG...

Kage, who'd you "kill"?

Wasamas/DLG seems an incredibly random kill, though. Who would go for him?

You.

Which question is this a response to? I'm assuming it's the second question. Answer the first question.

[evilpacman18]

Also, one question.

WHAT HAPPENED TO KILLING THE FUCKING IDIOTS!?
WHY IS WIZRAK STILL ALIVE!?!?

LOL
U ugly little blue shit, U supposed to kill the scum, not the idiot
Thanks for ur scumness Retarded electron of a shit
VOTE: MrBump

Replacement or modkill now please.

[evilpacman18]

Nice to see I'm getting dismissed for one bad read. I'm sure you've never had any of those.

Less serious =/= dismissed

[evilpacman18]

Bump I think I'm gonna join you in that eye-gouging.

[evilpacman18]

I don't like the idea of the person who protected Bump outing themself. However the fact that he was protected makes him look scummier to me, a lot of the town was against him yesterday. If anything he shouldn't be obvtown in anyone's eyes and only the smartest docs would protect people they don't think are obvtown. There's not that many smart people in this game, unfortunately and I sure didn't protect Bump. I'm pretty sure he's on Cake and Rain's scum lists too they're basically the only other good town in this game from what I'm seeing. If bump is scum he'd definitely be the best candidate for the scum doc's protection and not at all for town doc protection.

So.

vote: bump

[evilpacman18]

Kage was the only claimed vig. It's safe to assume that SOME town doc protected him. We don't need the person who did it to out themself. An over saturation of claims can be extremely dangerous.

[evilpacman18]

I'm still at a loss why you voted me.

I love these votes on me! Think it through. For it to be true, you're assuming Kage is either telling the truth or the SK and the Maf Doc protected me. Y'know, just because two or three people say "Bump's scummy" doesn't mean absolutely everyone thinks that. I don't understand the case on me at all. Compared to other people it's

nothing.

Sure, if you do an ISO you can make ANYONE look scummy, but the fact of the matter is I

think

someone called me out for something really minor at the start of D1 and since then everyone's been acting like I'm ConfScum.

Is everyone just completely ignoring the fact that I quoted Wizrak's swearing posts and he voted me for it? Look at his votes. The second anyone calls him out AT ALL he votes them. That's insanely anti-town.
Klazam, we're STILL WAITING. It's getting ridiculous. How hard can it honestly be?
aaah isn't a very smart scum.
Wizrak isn't a very smart scum either.
Kage is scum.
Can we lynch one now?

Hai Empking!

VIs aren't scummy. Your wagon doesn't look scum-driven at all to me.

[evilpacman18]

Everybody attempting to lynch Kage is scum. What the hell. You don't lynch someone who claims the most important town PR in an open setup with no counter claims on day 2. Fuck is wrong with you people?

[evilpacman18]

Because he's scum, yo.
Claims mean hardly anything IMO. If you take claims to mean someone is town, things are going to go bad (WWX is case and point). Anyone can claim Vig. Besides, not many people have been online since the second claim, so there wasn't much chance to counterclaim.

Stop blatantly misrepping me please. I don't take claims to mean someone is town, he's still my highest read but if nobody's gonna counterclaim (and if you think someone will counterclaim then at least wait for it before voting Kage. The fact that not everyone has posted if you really think there WILL be a CC works against you because you're trying to lynch him before it) then we should at least let him live until we're running out of scummier people who DIDN'T claim vig.

[evilpacman18]

highest read for SK*

[evilpacman18]

Bump isn't SK. No doc has outed himself about protecting Bump because the scum doc protected Bump and that would be playing against their wincon basically. What does interest me is that the doc chose Bump over someone scummier. Vatesi/Empking gets town points.

[evilpacman18]

Obviously some doc would protect Kage, he's a claimed vig.

[evilpacman18]

Can we get a vote count?

[evilpacman18]

Well, Kage is definitely flailing with his supposed mafia doc protection.

scum doc protected Bump and that would be playing against their wincon

I'm confused. Why would that be against scum's wincon? I thought a scum doc ought to protect his goons from vig/SK's NK?

I'm saying the doctor who protected Bump outing themself would be playing against their wincon since they're the scum doc.

[evilpacman18]

Another fun fact. The three people in this game I respect the most right now are all on the Kage wagon and my respect is slowly being sapped.

[evilpacman18]

Will someone please explain to me how a Kage wagon makes any sense right now?

[evilpacman18]

I'm not getting who the third claimed vig is first of all. I see andrew and Kage.

[evilpacman18]

*goes back to read*

[evilpacman18]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

unvote, vote: Kagetora

[evilpacman18]

I'm still up for DLG replacing in.

[evilpacman18]

Anyway. Kage I see you online. What do you have to say for yourself. Assuming you're gonna stick to your vig claim (guys, the SK obviously would claim doc), which of andrew or vatesi/empking do you think is lying?

[evilpacman18]

Kage isn't gonna claim SK even though claiming SK would probably get him unlynched. Pretty sure he's scum. But I'm gonna lol if he flips vig cuz then Empking will be lynched within 10 posts tomorrow.

[evilpacman18]

scum = mafia

[evilpacman18]

Well there ya go.

[evilpacman18]

aaaah. I see you online. Kage just claimed scum. Do it.

[evilpacman18]

I love when it's time for a flip.

[evilpacman18]

I'd also like to point out that I called Kage scum on page 2.

[evilpacman18]

Needless to say, I will be taking EPM's reads less seriously from here on out.

VOTE: andrew

YEAH YEAH... Empking played me hard, not gonna lie.

vote: Empking

[evilpacman18]

Because Empking was vatesi who was obvscum.

[evilpacman18]

Empking is scum lol. He's trying to set up an easy scum win scenario. If we lynch andrew today and he's town and just one town dies tonight without scum dying (a likely scenario) scum can quicklynch the SK for the win. It'd benefit both the town and SK for him not to claim.

I'm starting to think the best idea may be to not lynch andrew OR Empking today, just because either of them could well be scum. Top lynch choice for today would be MrBump in this case, he seems like the most obvious scum. And besides, if MrBump is scum I'd feel a lot safer about voting andrew since Bump is just short of blatant bussing.

[evilpacman18]

Kage isn't gonna claim SK even though claiming SK would probably get him unlynched. Pretty sure he's scum. But I'm gonna lol if he flips vig cuz then Empking will be lynched within 10 posts tomorrow.

Why haven't we done this?

[evilpacman18]

I claimed doc pretty early in the thread. Nothing's changed.

Popcorn: Rain

[evilpacman18]

I claimed doc pretty early in the thread. Nothing's changed.

Popcorn: Rain

Targets?

Night 1: Rain
Night 2: Rain

-_-

I really like Rain this game

[evilpacman18]

More reason to lynch Bump.

unvote, vote: MrBump

[evilpacman18]

I'll be honest, if there's one person in this thread I haven't paid attention to at all, it's andrew. He didn't stick out in the first pages as much as other people. I tend to backwards tunnel. Instead of focusing on one person and then maybe adding more, I focus on all the people and then subtract ones I don't care about. I like your case though. I don't wanna lynch EmpKing anymore. Notice how andrew caught Empking softclaiming vig where nobody else did? That's what I felt like confirmed andrew as vig. At the time I thought Kage was scum though but his death didn't make me put two and two together. Also I still think the massclaim is a dumb idea, and I already gave reasoning why. I want a speed lynch because I'm sick of mislynching and wanna be right. I wanna vote hop to bump because he's the safe bet. My votes are flying around in LyLo because I'm trying to get us OUT of LyLo. Questions?

[evilpacman18]

Grey, why do you assume Magnetic is town?

[evilpacman18]

I'll hammer when you answer if I find it sufficient. Just trying to make sure we know what's going on tonight.

[evilpacman18]

I'm inclined to agree just because of how much Bump was pushing wiz.

[evilpacman18]

Bah. I've convinced myself.

unvote, vote: andrew

[evilpacman18]

Finally.

vote: MrBump

[evilpacman18]

Sigh. So close and yet so far. GG town.

[evilpacman18]

vote: myself

[evilpacman18]

Rain was great

[evilpacman18]

So I could have won if I didn't assume everyone would listen to grey...

[evilpacman18]

To be entirely honest I'm somewhat disappointed EPM, Bump, and andrew didn't die pretty much right away.
-EPM said "I called him scum d1" right before I flipped vig. It wasn't inherently scummy but it seemed really suspicious.
-I shot Bump (which I would hope would seem obvious after my flip of vig) and no one claimed to have saved him. Screams SK/maf to me.
-andrew... well I'm surprised Empking didn't shoot andrew right after my flip, but he got lynched so I guess I can't complain on this one.

The second point is exactly why Bump was obvscum to us. We just didn't lynch as fast as we should have. Grey I don't get how you noticed vatesi spending the whole game talking about what the vigs should do but overlooked all the time I spent talking about the SK.