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oh. woodpecker.
Correct.Last edited by Olinea on Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Kagetora wrote:/confirm
I don't notice any odd words in my telegramvote: KagetoraI play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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It's 2:30 our time. He won't be up for around for a bit.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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WOW. I just found scum with a joke. Today's gonna be a good day.Kagetora wrote:
Well with nothing much else to go on at this point...evilpacman18 wrote:Kagetora wrote:/confirm
I don't notice any odd words in my telegramvote: Kagetora
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I voted you before the game even started, that should have clearly not been serious. And your vote wasn't "counter-random" as I hadn't placed a random vote on you. I had a fake vote on you that didn't even count because it was before the game. Let's take that term apart real quick.Kagetora wrote:Also curious on exactly how the logic process worked to "prove" I'm scum. You random vote me, I have nothing against me other than "I didn't read my PM very closely" and how do I defend against that? When I counter-random vote it makes me scum?
Counter-random. Oxymoronic in and of itself, random in this case means without purpose, except that the purpose of the vote is to counter. BUT. What are you countering? A vote that didn't count because it was made BEFORE the game? Technically there was no vote. So there was nothing to counter but you chose to counter anyway. Bit defensive, aren't we? What do you have to be defensive about, eh?I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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ATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEKagetora wrote:Lynch me if you wish.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Kagetora wrote:evilpacman18 wrote:
ATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEATEKagetora wrote:Lynch me if you wish.1.If you wish to call it that sure. I admit I was in the wrong and I don't see enough evidence to convict someone else or any evidence to defend myself.
Counter-random. Oxymoronic in and of itself, random in this case means without purpose, except that the purpose of the vote is to counter.2.I'm pretty sure what I meant was clear enough, even if it wasn't denotatively what I said. If you wish me to truly elucidate on what I meant please ask for a clarification rather than nitpick about the exact definitions of words.
BUT. What are you countering? A vote that didn't count because it was made BEFORE the game? Technically there was no vote. So there was nothing to counter but you chose to counter anyway. Bit defensive, aren't we? What do you have to be defensive about, eh?3.I withdrew my vote, and the inverse can also be said about you. Bit aggressive aren't we? What do you have to be aggressive about eh?
1. You have several options here. Obviously it's gonna be a bit before you lynched since we're on PAGE TWO, you could talk until you sound more town or you could build a stronger case on someone else in a few pages. Giving certainly isn't the way to go about continuing on in the game.Kagetora wrote:parknourie wrote:Not a convincing way to prove your innocence.
Unvote Vote: Kagetora4.Is there a convincing way to prove my innocence at this point in the game? I have no actions to back up my words other than my concession of a point I hadn't fully thought out.
2. I'm not nitpicking about exact definitions. You contradicted yourself in two consecutive words! How is that even POSSIBLE?! It's rare to see people contradict themselves in consecutive posts and you did it in TWO WORDS. It's like a miracle.
3. Withdrawing your vote doesn't nullify the scumminess of it. And yes I'm being aggressive. You being scum is what I have to be aggressive about.
4. Again. Giving up on page 2 isn't the best way to go about it.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Yeswizrak wrote:Can i swear without getting modkilled?
wizrak wrote:And how do i do that white line thingy over the Vote thingyCode: Select all
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What is this.wasamasas wrote:VOTE: parknourieI play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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COMMON SENSE, MAN. TRY IT.wizrak wrote:Okay i got a question,
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Why would you accept defeat if you were such an important town PR?Kagetora wrote:Ok then well I'll open a final gambit because I'll probably get lynched by the bandwagon at this point.
I'm a vigilante and if you let me survive this day I'll do what I can to prove it to you.
I understand that you probably want to kill me because you've never seen my play style and am therefore a somewhat random factor in this game. I promise you I have not lied at all during this game and if you lynch me you can prove that.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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This guy is town.vatesi wrote:unvote: kagetora
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L-# means how many votes left till a person gets lynched.wasamasas wrote:@andrew, whats L1?I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Maybe you should consult with someone who's not a dumbass.Kagetora wrote:
There's 5 votes against me, and I remember that once votes reach a critical mass it's pretty common for others to vote with the bandwagon so as not to seem suspicious. Nothing else I was doing seemed to work. After consulting with another person I know we agreed this was probably the best course of action to take.evilpacman18 wrote:
Why would you accept defeat if you were such an important town PR?Kagetora wrote:Ok then well I'll open a final gambit because I'll probably get lynched by the bandwagon at this point.
I'm a vigilante and if you let me survive this day I'll do what I can to prove it to you.
I understand that you probably want to kill me because you've never seen my play style and am therefore a somewhat random factor in this game. I promise you I have not lied at all during this game and if you lynch me you can prove that.
In hindsight I agree, but what's done is done. What I've said is what I've said, I take back none of it.vatesi wrote:[ b ] text [ / b ] for bold text.
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Your reaction to being jokingly accused was far too paranoid, sorry.
Also, you're scum AND need to be modkilled.Olinea wrote:There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it. Players who can communicate outside of the forum postings may communicate at night and during the confirmation stage.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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This guy just claimed scum.parknourie wrote:Vote: Chocolate Cake
Totally not on my side on this game.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Cake is town so park must be scum since they're not on the same side.aaah400 wrote:
Explain please? So who just admitted scum? Park or Cake? By the sound of things its cake at the momentevilpacman18 wrote:
This guy just claimed scum.parknourie wrote:Vote: Chocolate Cake
Totally not on my side on this game.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Chocolate Cake needs to stop pulling random terms he learned from the Mafia Wiki. Labeling and scumhunting are two very different things and you're doing more of the former than the latter.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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6 Docsaaah400 wrote:i cannot find how many mafia, how many town, how many etc there are.
2 Vigilantes
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I hate when people don't understand the difference between not knowing who to lynch and wanting to no lynch. There's NO NEED OR RUSH to place your vote. No lynching D1 is ridiculously idiotic. You don't need to have your vote on it just because you don't have anyone to vote for.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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vatesi wrote:he has tried to defend himself to the very end.
I'm disappointed. I had a town read on you, vatesi. No more.Kagetora wrote:Lynch me if you wishI play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Not at all -_-aaah400 wrote:Yes. Counter claim = claim in order to save yourself.
Counter claiming is when someone claims the same role that someone else already claimed. It doesn't work as well in games with this setup because of how many PRs appear more than once.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Marill, go read vatesi's interactions with Kage again. What do you think? When he unvoted Kage at L-1 I assumed it was to avoid a lynch on Page 3 so that post looked VERY pro-town to me. His recent defense of Kage AFTER his wagon has gone down to 3 people has at least 3 blatant lies in it and is one of the worst posts I've seen all game and it changes the alignment of his other notable post drastically. Now it just looks like not wanting to bus a scumbuddy by page 3.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Blatant lie #1
Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)vatesi wrote:The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.vatesi wrote:SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.
Blatant lie #3vatesi wrote:but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Whaaaat...?MrBump wrote:I'm not scum so Rain is ConfScum.
Unless I missed something (this is possible) the entire post this quote comes from is ridiculous unnecessary OMGUS.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Again, I could possibly be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I've seen an extremely similar post to this somewhere in the thread. Who are you parroting? Is it Chocolate Cake?MrBump wrote:I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Oh I found it! It's Rain's post RIGHT ABOVE THAT POST!
Marill... what are you doing?I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Quadruple post. Rain has two legitimate posts so far in the game. Kage is the main topic of both of them.MrBump wrote:Also, you say I'm "probably scum" yet your vote is on Kage and you have barely commented on him. Do elaborate.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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I have half a mind to change my vote to MrBump (I slipped and called him marill because that's what he was on the site I first met him on). Nobody else has made me quadruple post.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Oh jeez. You can't make a post that long without including the names of the people you quote. I don't even wanna read this post now.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Can we please get votes back on this guy?Kagetora wrote:Sigh this is gonna be a long post. Curse you sleeping time
I've always played, and still believe, that while you still have the opportunity to, lynching when you have no real reason to do so tends to be more harmful to the town than helpful. That's why I promote no lynch on the first day.I hate when people don't understand the difference between not knowing who to lynch and wanting to no lynch. There's NO NEED OR RUSH to place your vote. No lynching D1 is ridiculously idiotic. You don't need to have your vote on it just because you don't have anyone to vote for.
Lynching when you have no real reason is always dumb. That's obvious. But why is it impossible to have no reason on the first day? By now there's enough reason to lynch several people and it's the first day. You talk until there's reason. If we just no lynched prematurely under the mentality that the first day can't productive, how many days would go by before we felt we had reason? It doesn't magically appear on the second day. Create conversation. Argue. Agree and disagree with what people are saying, then you'll have reason. Even on the first day. But you just seem eager to waste as much of the town's time as possible.
If I wanted to truly quote something, as I am doing, I would put it in the quotes that the forum provides for us. "Writing something like this" is more or less akin to using your fingers in the air, not a word for word quote. You're misreading my post.Putting things in "quotes" like that acts like you are quoting what was said by people, DESPITE THE FACT NO ONE SAID YOU WERE PROVED. You're making your situation worse than it is.
Dropping off the context that came afterward isn't helping your argument. I withdrew my vote because when it was pointed out that the initial vote against me was in jest, and that was a valid point. If you had read what I had said afterwards, I don't want to be lynched. This was merely a semi-defeatism.I... I... I... So we caught him, eh? Everyone was so focused on the "Lynch me" that no one really noticed the "Valid point" part. Because we caught him.
ALSO, notice how he's so intent on No Lynching because odds say we'll hit Town if we lynch. Yet he's willing to be lynched? HMMMMMMM...
Well I promise you I'm not scum, and that's a word I don't see very often online. It was a hypothetical situation that you are again, misreading."If I were Mafia" is basically a way of saying "I'm Mafia so I acted like Town and when people called me out on it I would go WELL Y'SEE IF I WERE MAFIA I WOULDN'T DO THAT so therefore I can't lose!"
If he's misreading it, why don't you give us the way it was supposed to be read?
Several things here. With the full game still around, L2 is pretty close and would likely get me voted off by sheer bandwagon. My claim actually saved me by removing several votes against me. Roleclaiming was what I considered the safest possible route to take. Also, if you're familiar with Aristotle's theory of persuasion, appeal to emotion is a powerful part of persuasion and I'm not entirely sure why such an appeal is so bad, when really the logic that has been presented is inherently flawed.>Final gambit on D1 on Page 3 at L-2
I think he said at one point something along the lines of "Well generally you claim at L-1" BUT YOU WEREN'T AT L-1.
More "lynch me" AtE going on there.
Persuasion has no place in town defense. It's for scum and people trying to lead a wagon to use, nobody else. I will admit, you did pick the right time to claim, however.
Could you explain how any of these are lies? The first one is a very good point to make, and the second one is as well. The third one isn't entirely true, I did display defeatism, but that's not necessarily a lie.evilpacman18 wrote:Blatant lie #1
Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)vatesi wrote:The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.vatesi wrote:SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.
Blatant lie #3vatesi wrote:but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.
The first one is untrue because of the possibility of counter claims, which I see as a good idea in a game with this setup where town is almost guaranteed to have a doc into the endgame. The second one just isn't true at all. SKs, goons, and vigs might share killing in common, but the roles are about as different as they could possibly be. Also implying that we wanted to lynch you BECAUSE you claimed vig was the bigger blatant lie of that quote. And the third IS necessarily a blatant lie so I'm not even gonna touch it.
Fair enough. If that's really why people want to lynch me, there's nothing I can really do to defend myself against that.Kagetora's views seem so alien to me. Promoting No Lynch, claimed vigilante but advocating not killing someone because that target may be town. His general play so far seems to be "play safe". I do not like.
Also misrepping his wagon, just like his scumbuddy vat.
See above points. I don't think it's entirely random but when I was initially targeted I don't understand the "logic" (also see above about use of quotation marks) behind and so it seems random to me.I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-
Yes. Yes I do. I asked the mod to ensure that the compulsive was meant to be there. (Paraphrasing is allowed)KAGE DO you realise (if your vig) that vigs are COMPULSIVE BRO.
My side = Town.
The end of the story.
To me this seems awfully scummy. You refuse to accept my claim to town when my survival depends on it, but you simply accept Park's when it's unlikely they'll receive enough votes to warrant a claim this early? I'm considering changing my vote at this point almost solely due to that.Parknourie, so Chocolate Cake is Scum because you're Town? Oh, Chocolate Cake is ConfScum!
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Kagetora wrote:Hold on a second. This just jumped out at me.
Persuasion has no place in town defense. It's for scum and people trying to lead a wagon to use, nobody else. I will admit, you did pick the right time to claim, however.Is this a change of opinion or a contradiction?
Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.
It's still all unfounded speculation. Have you even considered that maybe these people don't have an ulterior motive and simply arguing the hole in the logic? I will almost always support a lynch on the second day, when we have BOTH actions and words that we can speculate on, rather than just one of the two.Lynching when you have no real reason is always dumb. That's obvious. But why is it impossible to have no reason on the first day? By now there's enough reason to lynch several people and it's the first day. You talk until there's reason. If we just no lynched prematurely under the mentality that the first day can't productive, how many days would go by before we felt we had reason? It doesn't magically appear on the second day. Create conversation. Argue. Agree and disagree with what people are saying, then you'll have reason. Even on the first day. But you just seem eager to waste as much of the town's time as possible.
Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.
I am doing the best that I can, and also on most forums, putting stuff inIf he's misreading it, why don't you give us the way it was supposed to be read?this kind of quote[ /quote] versus "this kind of quote" is a very big difference which I'm sure you can attest to.
Has anyone counter-claimed my role? The second one is true. They have the same POWER but not the same objective. I'm pretty much positive this is what he means. I'm not entirely sure what you're saying in the italics part of the quote.The first one is untrue because of the possibility of counter claims, which I see as a good idea in a game with this setup where town is almost guaranteed to have a doc into the endgame. The second one just isn't true at all. SKs, goons, and vigs might share killing in common, but the roles are about as different as they could possibly be.Also implying that we wanted to lynch you BECAUSE you claimed vig was the bigger blatant lie of that quote.And the third IS necessarily a blatant lie so I'm not even gonna touch it.
If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.
Can we please maintain some civility here? I don't believe I've directly insulted you at all this game, I'd ask that you please do the same for me.You're... stupid.
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QFT.Chocolate Cake wrote:Kage is proving to us the value of the newbie game
Frankly, I'm having a harder time seeing him as scum than I was before. He's just completely underprepared and way too inexperienced for this. Still, I'm seeing newbscum. Not newbtown.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Kagetora wrote:
I'm seeing you calling my friend a dumbass because he and I agreed that roleclaiming was the right option to take. And I still haven't lied yet.Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.
Any discussion on the first day will be unfounded speculation, you have no hard evidence that can be used to prove or disprove a hypothesis. If you lynch me, you merely prove my point. I am a vigilante, and if/when you lynch me and prove it so, then you will have proven that all of this is unfounded speculation.Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.
No it's not. He's saying that since I claimed vigilante, you can't know for sure that I personally killed someone, when there are plenty of other people who can mess with my claim.If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.
We have been talking, and your aggressive nature makes much less sense than the defensive one you put me in.Say things that make sense. Then we'll talk.
@CC: Sure thing. As for the no lynching argument and defeatism, this comes from my experiences of playing this game everyday with my friends and the conclusions we have collectively come to.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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crap. That wasn't supposed to happen. Ignore that.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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1. Go back and read the post you linked. I asked you why would you ACCEPT DEFEAT (obviously a reference to your saying "lolwutever just lynch me") if you were a vig. Then you said "lol I broke the rules and asked my friend and he told me to." Then I called him a dumbass. NOWHERE do you specify that you asked him about claiming so I'm SUPPOSED to assume that we were talking about the functional part of my post that you quoted, the accepting defeat part. I would be the stupid one to assume otherwise.evilpacman18 wrote:Kagetora wrote:
1. I'm seeing you calling my friend a dumbass because he and I agreed that roleclaiming was the right option to take. And I still haven't lied yet.Not sure what you're seeing. I called your friend a dumbass because you said you and him agreed that giving up was a good idea. I'll still stand by that opinion. I never said anything about your claim. If you want me to: It's obviously a lie but it was well-timed.
2. Any discussion on the first day will be unfounded speculation, you have no hard evidence that can be used to prove or disprove a hypothesis. If you lynch me, you merely prove my point. I am a vigilante, and if/when you lynch me and prove it so, then you will have proven that all of this is unfounded speculation.Does someone wanna explain this to me? It doesn't make any sense. It's like he just decided to talk about something completely beside the point.
3. No it's not. He's saying that since I claimed vigilante, you can't know for sure that I personally killed someone, when there are plenty of other people who can mess with my claim.If he's talking about powers as just powers and not powers AND objectives, then he needs to get his mind back in the game because that's trivial unimportant information.
4. We have been talking, and your aggressive nature makes much less sense than the defensive one you put me in.Say things that make sense. Then we'll talk.
@CC: Sure thing. As for the no lynching argument and defeatism, this comes from my experiences of playing this game everyday with my friends and the conclusions we have collectively come to.
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YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE MAIN POINT OF THIS GAME. EVERY SINGLE THING SAID IS GONNA BE ROOTED IN SPECULATION. IT'S THEPOINTOF THE GAME!!!!!!!
3. Yeah. You're right, actually.
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Oh I see. You're one of those noobs that thinks that the game can't be played without examining kills, claims, PR usage, etc. That's not true at all. For instance. Go read any game. It's SUPER RARE for scum to be caught because of who they killed. Also, how do you explain the countless lynches of scum before any of this information made itself available. The town is never well-informed and that doesn't get that much better until endgame in general. You're implying that all early lynches of scum are nothing more than dumb luck just because helpful solid information wasn't available. Blatant lie.Kagetora wrote:You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. Yes, interpreting what other people say is good, but it simply cannot be the only thing you go off of. Yes it can be used as evidence, but without any actions, what good is it? Not much. And once again, if your incorrect speculation as to my scum nature results in my lynch, you will prove my point.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Your experience?Kagetora wrote:
I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree here. The first day, it is very rare for an accurate lynch to happen in my experience. I'll leave it at that.evilpacman18 wrote:
Oh I see. You're one of those noobs that thinks that the game can't be played without examining kills, claims, PR usage, etc. That's not true at all. For instance. Go read any game. It's SUPER RARE for scum to be caught because of who they killed. Also, how do you explain the countless lynches of scum before any of this information made itself available. The town is never well-informed and that doesn't get that much better until endgame in general. You're implying that all early lynches of scum are nothing more than dumb luck just because helpful solid information wasn't available. Blatant lie.Kagetora wrote:You obviously don't understand what I'm saying. Yes, interpreting what other people say is good, but it simply cannot be the only thing you go off of. Yes it can be used as evidence, but without any actions, what good is it? Not much. And once again, if your incorrect speculation as to my scum nature results in my lynch, you will prove my point.
@MrBump: How have you missed the many clarifications I've posted? To finally settle the matter I sent a PM to the mod to ensure that I am indeed allowed to discuss with people not related to this forum. If this isn't true, then I won't do it again and I'll admit I misread the rules. Until then, drop the subject, please. It's getting us nowhere and repeating myself is getting tiresome.
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Quite possibly. Kage still looks like newbscum to me mainly because of his stubbornness. In our arguments he's raised some good points and I've been totally willing to accept that I was wrong on a thing or two here or there. I expect that from every town player. Town know and accept that they can't be right every time. Kage here refuses to accept that no lynch is a bad idea and keeps throwing the whole "lynch me if you want, I still think D1NL is the best idea even though everyone else is giving me myriad reasons why it's insanely idiotic" out there. I was sort of like this my first game (I was scum) because with a bunch of formidable players (granted, that game had a more impressive player list), you think that if you say something wrong, you're gonna be lynched. (I played a much better first game than this guy though, just saying. I lived to the end.)Rain wrote:So.... Kage is scum, MrBump looks more like MrBus, and the third's active lurking. Amirite?
MrBump is looking scummy but I wouldn't say he's in my top 3 yet. The active lurker in the group would be vatesi. He's definitely scum. Notice how he's shut up since I called him out. Scared. I don't see the park wagon. I'm not saying I think he's town, he's on the semi-scummy side in my read, but I don't see enough for a case on him, let alone 2 votes (just 1 less than Kage IIRC, which is madness).
Predit: Going off of andrew's point, it would add an interesting dynamic to the game and make it an easy town win if both vigs claimed. We have Kage as a potential one so if two vigs outed themselves, we'd have one definite scum and if only one more comes out, we can put his lynch off for a bit. The main thing the doctors need to do is make sure we don't ALL protect the claimed vigs. One doc for each vig and then other docs just protect a random person from their other town reads and I think it could be a fairly easy town win. Not saying vigs should claim right after reading this post, I'd like some input from a bunch of the other players. I'm just speculating.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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I can definitely show you how you're scummy this time. First of all, when I was writing the part where I called you an active lurker, first thing I thought was "he's gonna reply now since lurking is scummy." You probably would have looked more town just continuing lurking cuz now it seems that you're trying to please me. Also you're not reading since somewhere in mine and Kage's argument we agreed that #2 isn't really a blatant lie and I already explained #1, just read my post before this. Also, "resigned?" How could you possibly dispute that he didn't give up?vatesi wrote:
Active lurker kay, I'll accept that.evilpacman18 wrote:Blatant lie #1
Blatant lie #2 (Also a misrep of the intentions of this wagon)vatesi wrote:The problem is, ANY scum who is accused can claim vigilante since we have no way of validating vigilantes in the near future.vatesi wrote:SK's and mafia goons have exactly the same powers that vigilantes have. We cannot not lynch someone based solely on their vigilante claim.
Blatant lie #3vatesi wrote:but he has tried to defend himself to the very end.
1. How can we validate a vigilante claim? I still don't see how.
2. Sorry they don't have 'exactly' the same powers, I forgot SK was bulletproof. I was trying to explain why we couldn't validate a vigilante, whatever.
3. I saw him as defending himself, if not in a resigned manner.
I'll admit this is my first mafia game online. I was lurking for a bit because of how you shot down my previous post. Kgo, show me how I'm scummy this time.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Exactly! The scum are gonna be more subject to the wifom than we will. They could guess that the docs would protect the vigs and aim for some other town and then the docs could possibly get away with not even protecting the vigs or they could guess that the docs are all gonna try to protect someone who doesn't claim vig because someone else will do it and aim for the vigs but there's no way ALL 6 doctors wouldn't protect either of the vigs. It puts both scum factions (Mafia and SK) in a position where they have to make a tough choice and any choice has an extremely high chance of being totally wrong.andrew94 wrote:er pack im pretty sure i said its a bad idea.
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vatesi wrote:Do you really care if I lied or not at this point in time?
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"Hey, this guy is parroting! Scum!"MrBump wrote: ITT we also see this guy parroting and not getting called out on it.
Excuse me, ladies. I HAVEN'T BEEN SCUMMY. I have done EXACTLY the same things others have done but HAVEN'T been called out on it.
Klazam just HAPPENS to choose me because I "jumped on Kage". I was the second voter in what was basically RVS. That's called "having no evidence"
"Hey I'm not scum! All I've been doing is parroting!"
So every scummy thing you say, you're allowed to get away "Oh I wasn't serious, I was just seeing what you would say." No.MrBump wrote:Because reaction testing doesn't exist. I ask questions in games all the time to see how people react. Fuck.
Ah, very good point. I didn't think about the SK and scum working together. I'm pretty sure that puts an unfixable dent in the idea.Rain wrote:I'm not too keen on the vig claim plan. First of all, we have no means to verify claims yet. We'd also need 2 docs per vig, just in case SK and mafia targets the same claimed vig, which means we'd need 4 claimed docs to coordinate protection. Lastly, we also have to hope that the 4 claimed docs aren't scum, which again can not be verified in the next couple of days.
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Woop. ninja'd. Guess I should read every post to catch up before I post my own thoughts.Chocolate Cake wrote:SK and mafia stacking kills blows a hole in this otherwise-OK plan.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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I would like to lynch Kage now if nobody agrees with me on vatesi. Also I'm not accusing you of parroting, I just pointed out what the quote in your post looked like to me. And it looked bad. If anyone accused you of parroting, it was you.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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This lynch isn't gonna happen today. It can happen eventually, I'm for that. But today I don't see it happening at all. I understand he's top of your scumlist, but right now it's a wasted vote. Same reason I got off vatesi so quick.Chocolate Cake wrote:Forget the "parroting" issue (I'm not even sure what that's referring to).
The bolded is scummy. We called you down on it, and you just dismiss it with "lolreactiontesting" which is you trying to climb out of the grave you dug along with your cutsie "bitch please" pictures. Rain is also spot on in that you're going along with the easiest targets: Kage/wizrak/parknourie, aaah or vatesi. Kage is dropping a bunch of null newbtells that EPM is pushing hard for some unknown reason, but you're riding the EPM wave there. wizrak and aaah are probably not scum, they just don't know how to play the game. vatesi and park are actually kind of scummy, but I'm not really seeing that much thought from you as to why they are.MrBump wrote:I'm not scum so Rain is ConfScum.
I just used some logic that had been used in this thread by two of those three people.
I also dislike the way Kage is so keen on NL'ing because we might hit Town, but as he's a Vig, and he seems to think Mafia is nothing but lucky guessing, he has a low chance of hitting Mafia. WHAT THE FU-
Also, you say I'm "probably scum" yet your vote is on Kage and you have barely commented on him. Do elaborate.
tl,dr: You failed, scum.
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I can't do it. I REALLY can't stand this guy right now and would be more than happy to have him out of the game but he's just foolish newbtown. Newbscum, when enough people tell them their opinion is stupid, will try to please the people by changing their opinion. This guy is stubborn as hell and no matter how much we tell him how dumb he sounds with the no lynch idea, he's not gonna change his mind. It's annoying as shit. But it's town.
Vatesi wagon not happening?
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Why aren't you voting MrBump? Also why are you jumping on easy targets?aaah400 wrote:FOS MrBump
This i find a good indication of what MrBump has done which i do agree with the fact he did find evidence of scum slip from Kage. But Kage claimed Vigilante so lets move on.MrBump wrote:
Putting things in "quotes" like that acts like you are quoting what was said by people, DESPITE THE FACT NO ONE SAID YOU WERE PROVED. You're making your situation worse than it is..Kagetora wrote:Also curious on exactly how the logic process worked to "prove" I'm scum. You random vote me, I have nothing against me other than "I didn't read my PM very closely" and how do I defend against that? When I counter-random vote it makes me scum?
this is very scum tell. Kage of course is a very easy target but no need to rush as this is only day 1 and he claimed vig so i want to see what happens at night.MrBump wrote:
I... I... I... So we caught him, eh? Everyone was so focused on the "Lynch me" that no one really noticed the "Valid point" part. Because we caught him.Kagetora wrote:
Valid point. Lynch me if you wish.evilpacman18 wrote:I voted you before the game even started, that should have clearly not been serious. And your vote wasn't "counter-random" as I hadn't placed a random vote on you. I had a fake vote on you that didn't even count because it was before the game. Let's take that term apart real quick.
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ALSO, notice how he's so intent on No Lynching because odds say we'll hit Town if we lynch. Yet he's willing to be lynched? HMMMMMMM...
I find this very suspicious. I think at this point MrBump was aiming for Easy targets here. Of course Kage can flip mafia but since he claimed Vig. i do not know what else to say at this moment until night 1 passes.
To sum up till this point of MrBump, he is only emphasising the fact that Kage is very mafia like. Going for easy targets, wanting fast lynch.
He moves on to Rain for some reason. as Rain noticed, Mrbump is pick on easy targets. i agree.MrBump wrote:Im not scum so Rain is ConfScum
Overall, MrBump is just commenting on what others say and just says agree or not.. (Parroting on what others say)
And of course reinforces.MrBump wrote: Can we lynch Kage now?I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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That being said, we have to take into account that we only have 2 vigs. Kage could be lying (I hope to God he is, I'd hate to have a vig with little to no intuition) but it's not something we necessarily want to risk on the first day. It's unfortunate that Kage is unCCable.Rain wrote:
The claim is only as trustworthy as the person who claims it. So far, not so much.aaah400 wrote:But Kage claimed Vigilante so lets move on.
Also, the tonight's outcome can neither deny nor confirm any claims at all. There are a lot of kill powers and 7 protections to boot. Any claimed vigs can brush off their failed kill attempts, blaming on miscommunication with docs. A decently strong cooperation would basically require mass claim, which is ill advised at this point. I don't think I can stress this enough; D1 claims can not be trusted, and N1 coordination is ineffective.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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While you're doing that, make a list of the people on both wagons. Might be helpful.Chocolate Cake wrote:Is anybody besides me really starting to hate this MrBump wagon (which happened entirely too quickly, while the park wagon never really got off the ground)?
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At least one out of Kage, vatesi, and bump has to be scum. I'll cry if none of them of are.
Also, out of park, aaah, and let's say wasamasas, there's almost guaranteed to be one scum.
We're lynching one of these 6 today. That's just given. If who we lynch flips scum, the other two in the group are more likely to be scum and if they flip town, the 3 in the other group are more likely to be scum. It's highly unlikely that more than 1 scum ISN'T in those 6. It's also fairly unlikely that all 3 scum are in those 6. That's how I'm seeing it right now.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Actually, I'm gonna change the groups to Kage/vatesi/park and aaah/bump/wasamasas. I'm seeing some really weird interactions between bump and aaah.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Why the hell is your vote where it is?Chocolate Cake wrote:
Oh, you're not mafia, you're the SK.MrBump wrote:Cool story bro, scumteam is still Kage/park/wizrak.
Thanks for clarifying for us.
I'm tempted to revote you (if you are the SK, it means getting rid of one possible NK altogether), but I'm not near 100% confident on you like I am on park.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Just kidding. Hopefully you see where that post came from.Chocolate Cake wrote:Because it's on scum?
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Since when do people agree with you?MrBump wrote:Which is why people agree with me. I cba to upload another Bitch Please pic.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Not to defend him or anything but I don't anyone's looking for the SK as actively as they're looking for Mafia currently.Chocolate Cake wrote:
Yes, and you selectively scumhunt for that one team of three.MrBump wrote:First, how's that a slip for me being SK? Second, I don't really think of TP of scum. They're more two teams of scum, so there'sone team of three, the SCUM, then a team of one, the SK.
That's how it's a slip.
You can get off your high horse, because it's not obvious...at all.MrBump wrote:I put them on a team because they're all fucking obvious. They're all really scummy, even if they're not really LINKED, I could see them all being scum.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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Park has barely posted. We're not lynching him today.I play piano and competitive Smash 4 under the tag EPM-
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