Metropolis: Revisited [Game Over]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/confirm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, it started. Cool.

In quick review:

I like Magna's posts. That's good to get out of the way now, so that we can use it later in the game.

Also, I fully endorse the Pseudo-Wagoning. When we can only strike one person per day, we have to be careful about who we strike or

We will not accomplish anything

Think about it, if we are not in agreement about who we are going to strike before we start doing it, it is very possible that we will reach a situation where we can't reach lynch threshold that day. This isn't so much a problem in the bigger days, with 24 strikes, and only 15 to lynch.... but the more people die, the worse it becomes. Also, with 2 SKs and 2 Scum factions killing, you'll find that we will probably see a lot of deaths pile up fast.

tl;dr Magua is :goodposting:

Now, onto Toog. Mind if I call you Baka-panda? Or Baka Bear? Yeah, Baka Bear.

So, @Baka Bear: What town motivation could you have behind using your ONLY strike for the day, on PAGE 3? Remember, you can't remove that strike, and you only have one. So essentially, you've removed yourself from voting for the rest of the day (besides Pseudo-voting) and you've wasted your vote on a quick read, rather than waiting to establish a strong scum read to go on. Also, see above for why random/solo striking is bad. Town needs a consensus. I'm not entirely sure this was scum driven... but it was certainly anti-town.

FoS: Baka Bear

Now, onto the claimed scum.

Vote: Wraith

Why WOULDN'T you want a Game breaking strategy, if it were possible?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, it started. Cool.

Hi Lambda. I want to form a temporary alliance to flush out the scum faction(s) you're not part of. Are you with the program?

you've removed yourself from voting for the rest of the day (besides Pseudo-voting)

No, any pseudo vote from him is nothing more than huff and puff and should be rapidly discarded along with any further word he types.

An Alliance?

With Rampage?

Sounds cool to me.

Also, I agree. Toog's words are pretty much invalid for the remainder of the day(the game?).

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Nacho: Please refer to me by my proper name, or I will not address your questions from now on. It's funny in the game where it applies in context, not here.

As for the Toog/Wraith vote, I don't feel like Toog is scum right now. More like he's just Baka Bear. I don't see a protown motivation for Wraith's action, hence my vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Playing to look like she's helping out, while making two of the worst calls so far in this game.

Speak with clarity

Her large post "chiding" Toog for using his strike, and hopping onto the Wraith wagon, both the worst calls in the game, both worded to appear to be coming from a pro-town thought process since it's been part of the group-think fuckmess that's been going on lately.

Or, you know, I could just think Toog is an idiot, and that Wraith is scummy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hrezs is scummy because it's page 7 and he hasn't attacked anyone, this makes me think that he doesn't want to offend anyone and is scum.

Can we keep Day 1 short and lynch him? Everyone please reply.

Don't ruin my nice town read on you ABR. We don't do short days. More analysis is always better, and more info for later days is important too.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Would it be possible to lynch Hresz-scum

before the day-SK gets a chance to kill

? Might be worthwhile.

Hresz is trying REALLY hard to find someone he can attack. Looks a lot like scum-flailing to me.

Oh.... didn't think of that...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We also don't like the people who've parrotted what's already been said

(we'll go back and look later). Looks like fluff to gain townpoints.

Also, Toog...is an idiot,

but that's been hashed and rehashed already.

Bolded for lulz.

Anyways, Hresz lynch is good.

Two questions for you, Hresz:

1) Why are you defending ThAdmiral against AGar?

2) Is MagnaofIllusion scummy or not?

1) bad attacks are bad attacks. Letting them go (possibly) unnoticed hurts town. It also lets people think they can get by with crappy reasoning

2) yes (I thought I made that clear)

Nope.jpg

UNVOTE: VOTE: Hrzes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What are your other individual reads BS?

Not sure what to make of Wraith. Iffy neutral comment on Toog's strike early on, the tone of the "game breaking" comments more than the comment, and has felt "softly softly". Kinda flaoting along "lets not upset town/oops I upset town lets smooth it over" Leaning scum. Though I loved the 'C' stuff I have to ask. Is that kind of joking/serious post normal for Wraith because it could have been a distraction thing.

ThAd. My gut says that ThAd is sheeping the general town sentiment. Leaning scum.

LLD softly softly again. Softly goes one way, softy goes back the other way. If Hrezs is scummy for wanting to strike Toog/

subtly support Toog

, then so is LLD for showing similar pattern.

CKD leaning town.

Toog. Leaning town.

ABR. Clearly scum
Actually, while I don't like "alliances" per se, I'm by nature paranoid about such things, everything else is appearing good and stuff so leaning town.

MoI: If anything seems a little too calm about the strike. I know it's a large, I know normally the first vote or two don't pressure that much, and really it's a long way from being lynched. But there's no take backs in this one with a variant voting system. Neutral.

KageLord, Nacho, KK, Magua. Willing to take stances, which is always a good sign to me, lean town. Especially Magua.

Rest I'm still looking at.

Bolded is hysterical.

Also, I have never advocated the striking of Toog. It's a waste of time and strikes. People should be concentrating on scum, not Baka Bear. He's a distraction.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You don't trust me sir?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This game just got more passive. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Read the game.

The ISO Hzres.

Then read the rules.

Not necessarily in that order.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

B) What is scummy about wanting to setup multiple lynches. There are 10 scum in this game. We are nipple-deep in scum.

# Skull-Crushers (4* players)
# Night Riders (4* players)
# Day Serial Killer (1 player)
# Night Serial Killer (1 player)
# Inner Circle (3* players) 1 skull-crusher, 1 Night Rider,

1 town

That makes 11 scum by my count. Why did you forget one? Or is there a reason you don't considerthe inner circle scum.

Vote KK

...

This is ridiculous conjecture.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it's a dumb idea. But DGB wants it...so...

/strike: DrippingGoofball

He dies tomorrow.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

If you get less than 60%, you just get hospitalized, and we go into tomorrow with just night death analysis. At this point, the lynch for today will be near impossible to analyze due to DGB self-striking and opening the door for anyone to strike without recourse.

ITT Toog defends his faction who have been called out for jumping on the DGB wagon.

P-Edit: DGB got there first ;_;

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well damn. That's a nice shot by the DSK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ABR, I know that DGB basically asked to be killed yesterday, but I think that we need to look at some of these guys whonjumped on to the death wagon.

Namely, Friend. His post yesterday where he struck DGB was terribad scum posting.

VOTE: Friend

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@ abr: are you voting me because I didn't do what you told me to?

You're on a power trip.

Ok, I see what you mean ABR.

Tell you what ABR. You look at Friend for me, and tell me what you think, and I'll iso ThAdmiral, because this post is just horrible.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hm. The claim is interesting but I'm willing to believe it for now.

vote: Exe

I think it might better serve us to move on to someone equally obv-scum.

Why is the claim "interesting"?

If you have a problem with the claim, why aren't you questioning it, instead of blindly accepting it?

@AGM: I'm sorry you didn't see any content from me in the first day. Got caught up in one too many games. I am however, confident today that

FRIEND IS SCUM

.

Ooh look! Fancy colors! But seriously, my next post will contain a case on Friend.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

AGM, I'm sorry.

If you think I'm scum because I can't find the time to post a gigantic wall of text that I feel is sufficient to cover a case, then so be it.

I won't half ass a post.

So you can trust my read on Friend, or you can ignore it until I find the time to solidify a case for you, when I can.

I'm sorry.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Responding to a pre-prod prod. >.>

I'll get on this... eventually. @_@

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ok. Fuck it. Here it goes, Friend case in the next 10 minutes or lynch me.

I need to get motivated for this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hrezs is scummy.

UNVOTE: Wraith
VOTE: Hrezs

Ok, here's a problem. I know I'm in no position to tell anyone about posting content, but this vote is entirely baseless and opportunistic.

He NEVER gives a reason for voting Hrezs

.

Furthermore, he jumps around from wagon to wagon, looking for solid ground to stand on. Wraith, Hrezs, Exe, ThAdmiral, KageLord, BL, DGB.

It's like he's reaction testing to see which wagons are the safest for him to be on.

Hrezs is posting nothing more than the most basic levels of analysis. Classic scum-strat there. I pretty much agree with what has been said.

Vote: Hrezs

Not to defend Hrezs, but I find this quote hilariously hypocritical.

You are in no position to be saying this, considering you are doing the same thing. (As was I, before this post.)

@LOL at ThAd.
Are you going to claim that you and Agar are exactly alike? Because unless you can prove that, there is no inconsistency.

You had me as scum because I was defending wraith's position on not wanting to break the game, right? If anything AGar was defending wraith's position

more strongly

than I was.

@ everyone:

Check out friend, he's done a bunch of weird stuff so far including:
- voting wraith for playstyle choice (obv he wasn't the only one guilty of this)
- defending toogeloo because the action was "anti-town but not scummy" (not actual quote, paraphrased)
- claiming gummy had been lurking after 2 days
- thinks bunnylover is "scum most likely" (actual quote) but keeps his vote on hrezs. Reason he voted hrezs in the first place? Hasn't supplied one.
- In fact points out that others (such as exe) have been contributing just as little as hrezs. Still keeps vote on hrezs.

vote: friend

ABR basically said what I had to say in response to this. This is a pretty baseless case. I also didn't call out Gummy for lurking - it was more towards ObliviousDruidMuncher and Baby Spice. I still think it was a valid concern.

Am I not allowed to scumhunt if my vote on is on another player? That's also not the problem I have with Exe, by the way. It seems like you're just skimming the thread.

You never actually refute any of the points made here. All you do is say "I'm not allowed to scum hunt?"

Well, you ARE allowed to think people are scum. However, what YOU are doing is not scum hunting. It's reaction testing for a safe lynch.

I think it's a dumb idea. But DGB wants it...so...

/strike: DrippingGoofball

If you think it is such a bad idea, why didn't you fight to avoid it, or voice your opinion earlier? This reads to me as scum posting this, so they can go back and use it as town points when DGB flips.

It's just a bad vote all around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

For a clear 3 line case:

1) Very limited explanation for votes
2) Reaction testing to find a "safe lynch".
3) the DGB strike was scummy as hell, as aforementioned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Forgot to mention that his DGB strike is further evidence that he was looking for the safest, easiest lynch around.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Uh. Cool.

Everyone is posting while I make my case, and the second I post it, everyone leaves...

>.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Um. That's not what I was saying AGM. I was saying, I know I have been doing many of the same things he has been doing, and I admit they are scummy.

It's just that I'm not scum.

And he is.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So no, I dot blame anyone for putting suspicion on me. I have really had a hard time finding interest in this game. I just look at it, and the mechanics make for a lot of work and effort when trying to play. I am now trying to commit more to the game. I don't want to be a waste of a slot. That's not my style.

So yes, I've bee horrible thus far.

Yes, I deserve these votes.

But even still, it doesn't mean all the points I just made about Friend aren't true.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I know because I have the confirmation bias.

That's all I can afford you.

I can't say, "Oh, I have acted town", because honestly, I haven't. I haven't been putting effort into this game. I haven't been trying and I haven't been scumhunting as I should.

That is the best I can offer you because all your accusations are correct. My only defense is that I did them out of apathy, and not scum intent. This can't be proven, so it's the same problem.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And I know that last post is horrible too.

I don't have anything better though.

I've dug myself a deep hole in this game, and I can't explain any of my actions.

Because they don't have a reason behind them. Or the reason behind them was lazyness.

So all my defenses are going to suck AGM, simply because I can't climb out of this hole.

If you're willing to let me live for the moment, maybe I can prove my town worth to you by actually playing this game.

If you want me dead, I can't blame you, but I certainly won't go down without a fight. We can't afford town mislynches this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey guys. I'm just gonna go ahead and tell you guys to look at my past games. Yeah, succession mafia. Yeah, Vi's Mafia on Holy Orders. Yeah, a couple ongoing ones where I've been lynched. All as town.

And you'll see that the way I put forth my scum targets is not really in cases. I call out people. I say people are scummy without really putting it into concrete words. But it's just the way I play, and I've seen too many scum-driven wagons go through on me because of it. It's total bullshit.

I want LLD dead, but with all the strikes it's not worth it. Of the two competing wagons, KageLord is the scummier. If you really want I can try and organize my thoughts on him, but it's really not the way I play.

Scum claim, right here.

"Go read my other games! Check my meta!"

Because, you know, meta is SO reliable.

It's even more reliable when people tell you to go check it.

It's like the Godwin's law of Mafia. You have no better arguments remaining, and so you resort to Meta claims.

Scum. Needs death, asap.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

"it's happening again"

Seriously, you can't be this bad.

Look, I'm pushing your case because you are scum. Plain and simple, even if we ignore the lack of cases, you are still looking for the easiest lynch to hop on, and your DGB strike is horrible. Even ignoring your playstyle, your scum intent is clear.

So don't give me this meta bullshit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Bunnylover / LLD are both scum, probably on the same team too.

Oh noes! Not the

Two people who have called you scum in the past 5 pages!

You're such a great scum hunter, Friend. I wish I was as good as you.

But then again, if all it takes is for me to say that whomever calls me scum, is scum themselves...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

-I would like everyone who has not yet struck to EXPLICITLY state whether they think we should Block AND Lynch among KK/Kage OR whether it would be better to ignore that and just Lynch the top suspect.

I prefer just going after the top suspect since I do not believe ThAdmiral and KageLord have the same alignment and I more strongly suspect ThAdmiral, but the Kublai Khan/KageLord split is decent too.

In my opinion, the DSK should kill either Friend or Toogeloo.

Jesus SC, still as passive as ever.

Tell me, beyond KK/Kage/Admiral, who is scum?

In other words, beyond the top three suspects and wagon threats today, who is scum and why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I honestly dislike both wagons. I can see some of the KK arguments, and none of the Kage ones.

Honestly, I'm more up for Admiral than wither of the K's.

But I'd strike KK over Kage.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

What? So you're saying that because he didn't follow you, that makes him scum?

I'd like to know why you think ThAd is scum...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

While you're here though: what's your brilliant case against me ABR?

I wanted to kill KK, you would have been better off following me.

Now claim ThAd, claim now or forever hold your peace.

What? So you're saying that because he didn't follow you, that makes him scum?

I'd like to know why you think ThAd is scum...

This post doesn't make any sense.

ThAd asked for your case on him.

You answered with the above quoted post.

I asked you if that was your case.

Is it?

If not, what is your case?

Essentially, answer Admiral's question.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I just quoted his post so he knew that I was talking to him. I have no intention of making a case on ThAd since I prefer KK for today. If you look back at my posts, however, I did mention this:

ThAdmiral for pushing for stalling the DGB hammer and supporting the doubleblock

Essentially, I'm fine with the town striking ThAd.

That's fine. Thanks.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah, we've led ourselves into a trap here.

The DSK is going to shoot ThAd when he has sufficient votes on him that no one else can be lynched/blocked this day.

This is why we can't have 3 competing strike wagons.

Multiple competing wagons are for our vote counts. We make our decisions there and then pick the two top wagons for the day.

We can't have any more than 2 competing STRIKE wagons.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ignore my 858 completely. Apparently I need to remind myself of the above.

(Yes, I am admitting that for some reason unknown to me I didn't make the connection that if the DSK shot them, they'd die. I don't know what I was thinking. @_@)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Honestly, I'm more up for Admiral than wither of the K's.

Has this changed?

No, and even if it had, I would still strike Admiral today because he's the only viable option.

TBH, I don't know why I'm still waiting. >.>

Strike: ThAdmiral

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm getting the feeling that ThAdmiral is being made into the new DrippingGoofball. Either we have a scumpile on the strike wagon again or

this is one apathetic town

, both of which can easily cost us the game. My town reads on AlmasterGM and Lady Lambdadelta have committed suicide. I don't regret

MY

strike, but we're on a train going directly to hell right now.

Bolded

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Any further comment, or is that just you picking one?

It's actually both because there are 10 anti town roles currently in the game (DSK, 8 Mafia in 2 factions and the one Townie Inner Circle)

But I'm saying for sure that Town has grown apathetic. This is partly due to the mechanics of the game, once a strike is laid, the desire to scum hunt dies.

It's also contagious as hell.

We need to get a better system of pseudo-voting that encourages the town to actively scum hunt, instead of what we've been doing the past two days.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh, it started. Cool.

In quick review:

I like Magna's posts. That's good to get out of the way now, so that we can use it later in the game.

Also, I fully endorse the Pseudo-Wagoning. When we can only strike one person per day, we have to be careful about who we strike or

We will not accomplish anything

Think about it, if we are not in agreement about who we are going to strike before we start doing it, it is very possible that we will reach a situation where we can't reach lynch threshold that day. This isn't so much a problem in the bigger days, with 24 strikes, and only 15 to lynch.... but the more people die, the worse it becomes.

Also, with 2 SKs and 2 Scum factions killing, you'll find that we will probably see a lot of deaths pile up fast.

tl;dr Magua is :goodposting:

Now, onto Toog. Mind if I call you Baka-panda? Or Baka Bear? Yeah, Baka Bear.

So, @Baka Bear: What town motivation could you have behind using your ONLY strike for the day, on PAGE 3? Remember, you can't remove that strike, and you only have one. So essentially, you've removed yourself from voting for the rest of the day (besides Pseudo-voting) and you've wasted your vote on a quick read, rather than waiting to establish a strong scum read to go on. Also, see above for why random/solo striking is bad. Town needs a consensus. I'm not entirely sure this was scum driven... but it was certainly anti-town.

FoS: Baka Bear

Now, onto the claimed scum.

Vote: Wraith

Why WOULDN'T you want a Game breaking strategy, if it were possible?

My first real post of the game. No joke. No one listened to me, and I kinda grew apathetic after that.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Shock and awe. AGM was scumz0rs.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

What was the point of point out that Agm flipped scum LLD?

Well I have a good idea of who is scum with him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And you are keeping this from us because...?

Because I'm trying to write up cases on them?

If you just want names, then I can provide, but I assume you'd want EVIDENCE.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My reads haven't changed by much. Toogeloo and Albert B. Rampage are tied together and I feel more strongly about ABR-scum; Friend needs to get the hell in here and post decent, coherent cases; and my Lady Lambdadelta worries have strengthened with AlmasterGM's flip

as I believe both of them struck just to get somebody lynched.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta and

HoS: Albert B. Rampage

Because, you know,

WE COULD TOTALLY STRIKE SOMEONE ELSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME?

You're SO scum.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Yes... the people who have wanted me dead since Day 1 are on my scum team. /rolleyes.

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

Cause Bussing isn't possible right?

Notice that you've never really been run up or struck.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My reads haven't changed by much. Toogeloo and Albert B. Rampage are tied together and I feel more strongly about ABR-scum; Friend needs to get the hell in here and post decent, coherent cases; and my Lady Lambdadelta worries have strengthened with AlmasterGM's flip

as I believe both of them struck just to get somebody lynched.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta and

HoS: Albert B. Rampage

Because, you know,

WE COULD TOTALLY STRIKE SOMEONE ELSE AT THAT POINT IN TIME?

You're SO scum.

Nice OMGUS, LadyLambdadelta. Toward the end of yesterday, I complained that ThAdmiral was being made into the new DrippingGoofball, implying that people were striking just to get somebody lynched with no real reasoning behind the strike. When I said that either scum is taking advantage of this or town is apathetic, you went from telling me that town is apathetic to both that and scum were piling on ThAdmiral. You've clearly stated that you just wanted a player dead; you can die yourself.

StrangerCoug has made it his personal mission to try and either have me beaten to death or shot every day.


I would like to see this empirical evidence to support the notion though.

What empirical evidence? If you mean a case, I still think that you blowing your Day 1 strike like you did is scummy, and I think Albert B. Rampage connected himself to you by telling people to ignore you for that. Hence the "quelching discussion" attack on him. If Albert B. Rampage flips town, then depending on your actions I may allow some slack, but if he flips scum and the possibility exists that he has a living partner, you're dead meat at this point. It takes more than that to throw me off you.

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

HOW AM I OMGUSing YOU, WHEN I CALLED YOU SCUM FIRST?

Try NOT using false information next time, ok?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?

HOW AM I OMGUSing YOU, WHEN I CALLED YOU SCUM FIRST?

My town reads on AlmasterGM and Lady Lambdadelta have committed suicide.

Toog/SC/KK is my most likely scum team.

I'm really sold on SC scum.

Did you call me scum prior to April 4?

Try NOT using false information next time, ok?

Try practicing what you preach. You effectively agreed with me that the game is going sour, then called me scummy? How does that work?

I open the day calling you scum.

You follow it up with calling me scum for the exact same reasons.

And just because I agree with you that this game has gone to the dogs due to apathy, doesn't mean I think you are town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

I could see some of the points that were brought up about ThAdmiral SC, but I wanted Friend lynched yesterday.

The fact is, if I had struck anyone else, it would have been a

detriment

to town.

And you would be here telling me I was scum for striking who I thought was a better lynch.

You are trying to twist intent where there is nothing to twist. I couldn't strike ANYONE ELSE at the end of the day, and still be useful to town. You are trying to turn that into scum motivation, which in itself is scummy.

Instead of looking for scum intent where you may find it, you are trying to

create it

where you need it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wake up and smell the coffee, Lady Lambdadelta. I was worried about you and AlmasterGM prior to ThAdmiral's death. AlmasterGM flipped scum and you weren't all that different from him at the end of Day 2, so I'm connecting the dots.

Tell me, Lady Lambdadelta, did you have a

GENUINE REASON

to want ThAdmiral lynched?

AGM was tunnelling the fuck out of me.

If you're connecting a scum team with he and I, you're delusional.

So I'm delusional. Regardless of my sanity, I don't buy the WIFOM defense of the connection.

I could see some of the points that were brought up about ThAdmiral SC, but I wanted Friend lynched yesterday.

The fact is, if I had struck anyone else, it would have been a

detriment

to town.

And you would be here telling me I was scum for striking who I thought was a better lynch.

We have too much scum in the game for allowing a mislynch to happen to be good strategy. Counting the Inner Circle as part of that faction only, this game started as 13:3:3:3:1:1. We are now at 9:3:2:2:1. The next townie to die will put us at parity with the combined scum unless we hit them first.

Are you fucking stupid? You can't take back strikes.

So when 11 people have struck ThAd, and there are 4 voters left, NOT striking the leading wagon is BAD. It means potentially a no lynch could occur.

And at that point, ThAd was the only one who COULD be lynched.

You're not paying attention to the mechanics, or you're deliberately overlooking them.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Choose your Side drew my attention.

What is this cross voting?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh wow, how fucking stupid are you two?

honestly, what happened to "We need to come to a consensus as town on two targets today"?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wonder...

Does anyone else get the feeling that Baby Spice is scum, and that she is pushing for a Toogaloo lynch because she suspects him of being the IC in her faction?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I wonder...

Does anyone else get the feeling that Baby Spice is scum, and that she is pushing for a Toogaloo lynch because she suspects him of being the IC in her faction?

The possibility exists. So you think Baby Spice is bussing Toogeloo?

Not bussing. They are different factions.

Or at least, Baby Spice thinks they are.

Baby Spice is under the assumption that Toog is an IC member.

I am implying they are both in the same scum team.

Thus, I am also implying that Baby Spice suspects Toog of being the mole in her scum team.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pushing a Toog lynch because that strike on MoI looks super suspicious now that AGM has flipped scum and MoI looks incredi scum from post 27 and 28, the attacks on Wraith for not wanting to break a game.

I struck Toog because ABR did, because I'm not 100% sure that ABR is IC, and because two votes on Toog sure as hell beats one vote on Toog and one vote on MoI.

To sumerise, AGM and MoI's posts looked incredibly sus to me at the time, AGM fliped scum which makes me damn sure that MoI is scum.
Toog's strike on MoI looked funny. I think the idea was kindof good, but the targeting was 'funny'. MoI comming up scum due to AGM's flip makes it really look like Toog was bussing, and ABR's 'ignore the idot' stuff was also probably bussing.
The IC team can bus, they don't have toworry about traitors and have a good handle on what 6 of the other players are thinking (via scum chats)
AGM and MoI hardly mention each other at all, and the scum teams can't bus due to the worry of traitors as any bussing will look traitorus.

Ergo, AGM MoI scum buddies. MoI and Toog IC buddies.

and No LLD, I suspect Toog, strongly with an

absolute certainty suspect MoI and Toog of being scum IC's

It pure logic and extrapolation.

Bolded. How can you determine they are SCUM IC's, when your only case on them being IC is that they are "bussing eachother"?

You wouldn't be able to determine that unless you were scum with one of them.

Namely, the one you struck earlier, TOOG.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ever heard of deductive reasoning? Going back and looking at people?

Hell, I wrote them into my notebook as IC's about a month ago.

Ever heard of things that stick out like dog balls?

and if you actually think I'm part of a scum faction outing an IC member, why haven't you struck?

Yeah! Let's create a 4th wagon today, without knowing if it would has any support or be a viable lynch.

You don't understand the important of planning our wagons as town, do you?

Also, your "deductive reasoning" sucks. Which is why I'm assuming you have insider info that only a scumz0r could have, to make these reasonings.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So wait... You've said nothing about me ALL GAME.

But now that I apply the slightest pressure to you, and show signs of opposing your plans/theories, that makes me scum?

Baby Spice's amazing deductive reasoning strikes again!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I like how you misrep me.

How have I defended Toog? I called him scum with you. I said that he was probably IC, and he was the mole in your scum team.

None of this really speaks in a positive light on Toog

So, again, you try and create facts and situations that benefit your needs ATM.

Another example of you doing this, btw, is the ludicrous claim about the IC members bussing.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

In Summary, Baby Spice is very likely scum.

Most likely with Toog, a lesser possibility with MoI. She also believes that her scum buddy is IC, hence the lynching.

It could work to either kill MoI or Toog, but really if you want to confirm some things, the town should really come together and lynch Baby Spice.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Tell me, who would be in favor of a Baby Spice lynch?

Rather, are there any who oppose it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Keep confirming yourself as Toog's scum buddy LLD, but do remember you can strike MoI as well and not your buddy. It's ok, he's IC and scum too.

Seriously, does anybody object?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yep, I'm willing to do this.

Strike: Baby Spice

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Hey cool, look at the IC go. Look at Toog's scum buddy go.

LLD, love how you say little about MoI copping it, but chainsaw defend Toog.

Wow. Cleverly done.

Can we please end this shit and have MoI Day vigged.

Hell, can we please have people read.

It may have been my logic and deduction, but logic and deduction it was. Elementry stuff. I found the scum and now they are attacking me.

But, please for the sake of those following along at home.

If I am scum, and well I'm not. But if I was, and I was seriously calling someone confirmed IC, wouldn't you think maybe they really have identified the IC via QT stuff.

Since you (LLD) are absolutely refusing to look at the scum IC I found, via means other than a scum QT, nor his IC buddy that I identified via interactions here, then clearly you are scum with one of them. Toog since that's who you are defending. Hell, you've claimed that I was Toog's scum buddy and that I thought he was the IC via scum QT, which again leads to why the hell wouldn't you strike him on the off chance I was both scum and right.

That MoI is refusing to look is a given.

MoI confirmed scum and IC.
LLD confirmed scum.
Toog Confirmed scum and IC.

Elementary.

Ok, you're still a fucking idiot.

I swear, I'm starting to slowly transition into UK in this game. So much RAGE.

I am not defending Toog.

If

WHEN you flip scum, Toog will be next. He is the same scum faction as you, and he is likely your IC mole.

The fact that you keep hammering on the "LLD is defending Toog" case, shows me that you don't actually have any other reason to suspect me as scum.

Which means I can state the following:

Baby Spice has no real case on me.
Baby Spice must have intent for suspecting me, aswell as Toog/MoI.

Due to a lack of reasoning from Baby Spice, it can only be assumed that the intent behind suspecting me is that I have opposed her, and am not standing in the way of her lynching her suspected IC/fellow scum member.

This also explains the intent behind the Toog suspicion and strike. The MoI suspicion is a Red Herring.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

There are 6 votes in play.

11 votes remaining.

It only takes 11 to lynch.

It will take 9 more to lynch you or Toog, and 10 more to do MoI or ABR.

We aren't in any real trouble.

And besides, you are obv scum and you need to die. I'm not letting you slide through today on the false dichotomy that there can only be two wagons today.

However, tomorrow, can we talk it out and decide as a town who should have wagons on them?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Is there such a thing as a game being so frustratingly easy? Because I think this is a good example. So much scum left and so many candidates for all that scum...

I'm not letting you slide through today on the false dichotomy that there can only be two wagons today.

I hate this sentence. True or not (that's not how I interpreted Baby Spice's statement, so I'm inclined to believe no), Lady Lambdadelta is attacking Baby Spice for thinking we can only lynch two people after I attacked her for thinking we can only lynch

ONE

yesterday.

I smell panicky LLD-scum, too.

Yet again, the situations are different.

Today, we have 11 people left to vote, so lots of possibilities are available.

When I voted yesterday, there were only 4 votes left, and thus, only 1 person who was within lynch threshold.

And lynching someone is always better than a no lynch. Always.

For someone who claims to understand the mechanics, your lack of understanding is shining through.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I should have been more clear.

In non-mylo/lylo situations, a lynch is always better than a no lynch.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Now let's suppose an alternate universe where ThAdmiral was merely blocked and no one was lynched. How might the numbers differ between both what they are now and what they could have been were it not for a crosskill?

Albert B. Rampage and I gave the current numbers counting the Inner Circle as their nominal alignments and as a separate alignment respectively, if you need help.

This is just confirmation bias now that we know ThAdmiral is town.

It's better that we lynched him, because now VCA's work.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why don't you answer it then SC?

Because I see what you're doing, and it's a very deliberately narrow view.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why don't you answer it then SC?

Because I see what you're doing, and it's a very deliberately narrow view.

Hint: Numbers.

SC, I know what you're saying, and I don't agree.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Then

tell me how losing majority

, which it was possible to do at least three different ways last night, is worth the risk.

Confirmation Bias is here.

You don't know that ThAd is town.

So lynching him brings the probability that he is scum.

In a game where a large portion of the game is anti-town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You don't know he's scum either, and you were really impassionate about lynching him.

I preferred Friend

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And the vicious cycle starts again...

Vicious Cycle because I'm repeating the same answers to the same questions you ask repeatedly.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Exactly. And we haven't shaken each other off.

And what exactly does that say to you? :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You suspect me; I suspect you; nothing is going to change by us arguing with each other.

Bingo.

Though, you've dropped a bit, being replaced by BabySpice on my top 3.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Since when is a VEST Baseball Bat Proof?

RC, let me test this theory. You wear a kevlar vest, and I'll hit you across the face with a Louisville slugger. Repeatedly. You tell me how that vest holds up, kay? <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It's kawaii~, I'll give you that.

You still die a horrible death though.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Anata was bakayaro desu.

(I'm kidding, I love you RC <3)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: Anata wa bakayaro desu.

I added an "s" accidentally. >.<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also RC, in Water Gun + Kevlar Vest vs. Baseball Bat this is what happens:

Spoiler: Detailed and kinda twisted death scene

You still get a baseball bat to the side of the head.

And I still get to watch as your skull caves in, and blood trickles down the side of your face.

Eventually that blood will dry and cake on, and your dead body rots away as a corpse normally does.

Need I go on? (I'm a morbid person, I know. :3)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Man, I should probably read the rest of the posts before replying...

Universal Truths.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SC and BS inner circle scum?

:nod:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

BS needs my Baseballl bat to the face.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nope Kise.

I called this way before you did.

SC for scum member #4 BTW.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And

no more

freaking questions! I'm not saying any more!

You don't like added information! You must be scum!

You're turning into UK.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: SC

I'm willing to strike him too, after yesterday and Baby Spice's flip.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not sure I agree with SC. It doesn't make sense for him to not hammer BS. If he were IC he'd just kill her. His entire scumteam was dead aside from him and BS, so he'd have to assume she was IC. Trying to score town points for not hammering literally makes no sense.

Think Exe is probably IC (the night rider rber). Him and MoI defending each other (with MoI believing BS is the IC member) fits perfectly with the two of them.
Not to mention he's completely fallen of everyone's radar (something scum love to do)

Exe is IC for sure.

But SC is probably the last remaining rider. Which is why we need him dying today. Eliminates a kill AND an RBer.

Best lynch for today. Takes out the biggest threat to town.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SC is still using the same god damn terrible arguments he used yesterday.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

SC is still using the same god damn terrible arguments he used yesterday.

You realize that's not a scumtell though, right?

I'm not sold on SC-scum. In my experience, SC isn't dumb. The only conclusion I can reach here is that he's just not paying attention. And that usually is more of a town trait than scum trait for a non-VI/SI as far as I'm concerned. So while I don't want to just let SC continue like this, I think we have bigger fish to fry.

On that note, I find it amazing that both Toog and ABR survived yesterday. I think we need one (or both, dear DSK?) of them down today. My preference is still ABR.

Other than those 2, IGMEO Friend/Xalxe and Exe.

Most town: Magua and KK.

He's scum because he chainsawed BS yesterday with those arguments.

He's only continuing them today, because it would look even worse on him if he changed it up now.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

He's scum because he chainsawed BS yesterday with those arguments.

He's only continuing them today, because it would look even worse on him if he changed it up now.

Unlike

YOU

with ThAdmiral, I took the time to check to see if Baby Spice was worth having lynched. I did not go "whatever everybody else says" and sheep her wagon.

And here is your intent behind the "I'm gonna look to see if BS could be town" thing.

He knew BS was scum. He was going to hammer her for town cred.

But he knew if he just hammered her, I'd be on him for being hypocritical.

Honestly, I'm done fucking around today.

Strike: SC

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is IC.

Vote: LLD

On what grounds Exe?

Becuase I can see you calling me Scum... but IC is a little specific?

I'd like to see what makes me IC, and ONLY IC?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not gonna strike SC 5 hours into the game.

-looks at yesterday-

-shakes head-

Also, it's Day Fucking 4. It's not 5 hours into the game.

I'm happy with my vote on SC for one simple reason.

The IC controls the Riders factional kill now

This is clearly witnessed by the death of BL and ONLY BL.

There's no way that the lone Rider scum was able to kill a Skull Crusher scum AND RB the scum sending their kill.

No. Fucking. Way. Not without inside help.

So it can therefor be concluded that

The Riders Scumteam has been exterminated!

Further,

SC is an IC member, and the last remaining "Rider" scum!

Exe is likely one of the other ICs. I see him being the Town IC.

But here is the BIGGEST issue.

IF WE DON'T LYNCH THE REMAINING RIDER-IC TODAY, THEN IC WILL GAIN CONTROL OF THE SKULL CRUSHER FACTIONAL KILL.

This can be concluded because the Rider IC member has a kill and a RB, and knows what the Skull scumteam is doing. So all they have to do is RB the kill sender, Kill the remaining non-IC scum member, and that leaves only the IC Skull scum remaining, in possession of the factional kill.

2 factional kills for 1 team, aswell as a roleblocking ability.

SC NEEDS TO DIE TODAY, OR TOWN LOSES THIS GAME VERY QUICKLY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Kast: It is my belief that SC is the last remaining rider, and thus IC.

There is only one rider left.

Short answer is no.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not claiming scum here either.

It's called throwing the game at this point.

...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, honestly, town

will lose this game if the last remaining rider is not lynched today

Imagine, having two people die each night, along with a DSK kill.

Imagine if the DSK gets killed by the IC? They have two shots at them each night. Then it's all down hill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

...

This is so fucking retarded.

RC, fix this setup or never run it again.

Exe is IC, like I said.

You can lynch me if you like, but you're giving IC two kills tonight.

You need to lynch SC before me or Exe, or town gets hit massively.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Frankly, I really have no idea what the hell else I can do. I can either try to pretend like somehow I've stumbled onto some amazing discovery about LLD, and hope that somehow she dies...or I guarantee that my opposing faction loses.

RC, this is also my complaint.

THIS GAME IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN FOR THE SCUM TEAMS.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, I have proof that Exe is IC.

If he isn't IC, and he is indeed the last remaining Skull Crusher, he is currently playing against his Win-Con by claiming in thread as the only remaining scum member.

The move only makes sense as IC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We will deal with him accordingly. You die first, though.

\

Oh please.

"LET ME SAVE MY PRECIOUS EXE, SO WE CAN HAVE 2 KILLS FOR ONE NIGHT AT LEAST"

Let the town decide for themselves.

Besides, I can't win this game anymore, so what do I care? ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck you ^-^

With Love,

Lambda

P.S: Now's not a good time <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Fuck you ^-^

With Love,

Lambda

P.S: Now's not a good time <3

Can you please just give me the information that I requested?

Nope! ^-^

And here comes Exe with all the info you could ever want blah blah blah.

But you know what? Kill me. Go right ahead. I've lost already, so don't make me spend another fucking day in this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

ok.. so we have
scum: LLD, Exe
possibly IC: Magua(if LLD is IC)

What are you smoking?

Exe just claimed scum to save SC from being lynched today.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pretty sure LL is inner circle scum at this point.

Lynch me then. Kill me and find yourself to be wrong.

I don't give two shits anymore~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This game is stupid~

RC, this setup is horrid~

It's not possible for the scum teams to win~

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Camn, what part of "no" are you not understanding? :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

GTFO sore loser

Fuck you ABR. <3

You're not the one who has nothing to play for because her scum mate just claim in Thread and implicated her.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I have a comment to make that won't sound butthurt.

If you think about it, the IC is basically a mafia team within each mafia. Or rather, each mafia team is essentially a 3 - 1 mafia game inside this game. AND since the mafia teams don't know eachother, that means that it's kinda like a 3-1 mafia game with no lynches but while still giving the 1 man mafia a chance to kill the relative "townies."

In other words, scum have absolutely no way to get rid of their own IC member, while still being in a type of "MyLo."

Ergo, the setup is really tough for scum UNLESS the IC dies at the beginning of the game, accidentally.

This is what I am saying in a more eloquent and less pissed off way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're not the one who has nothing to play for because her

scum mate

just claim in Thread and implicated her.

Fixed that, seeing as you're technically not my team.

Exe, we're in the same gang. You just happen to be a traitor. Still doesn't make you not part of the gang.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You're so helpful ABR.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Exe, we're both fucked. We are both dying.

This charade is pointless.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is Skullcrusher IC.

StrangerCoug is the last Night Rider, so roleblocking him is a good idea.

These are almost contradictory statements. LLD came out today trying to quickly get after SC. This makes no sense if they are IC buddies. The only way that SC could be the last NR and not IC is if that IC died earlier, in which case LLD had already lost and her actions make little sense. Also, you do realize that LLD-IC implicates you as well, according to Exe's info, right?

Strike: LLD

No point in waiting anymore. According to Kast's plan, that would be the last strike on LLD for now. I'm not so sure if we should block SC though, given the info on LLD.

Gomen nasai, shinzoo-no-hime-sama!

No problem Kage. Do what you have to do ^-^

[Lady Lambdadelta]

StrangerCoug is the last Night Rider, so roleblocking him is a good idea.

This is completely wrong.

Strangercoug is likely

town

given our evidence and the fabricated lies of lambdadelta. LL tried to kill Strangercoug, if she's IC, he most assuredly is not the last scum / night rider inner circle member.

Except I'm not IC.

And when I don't Flip IC, you'll get to eat crow. <3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Ummm how about he can be a cop or a jailkeeper?? Is that a good enough reason?

Literally do not care. If he is, and there's two kills tonight, then he's cleared of being the last NR, which is infinitely better.

You can think he's confirmed town all you want.

I think Magna was NR IC

, SC is remaining NR, and LLD was trying to remove the uncontrolled kill, and as such, I want him roleblocked.

LOLWUT?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe a little, but don't worry, no one noticed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The bolded line should be enough.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

OH. SHIT.

YOU.

GO GET A FUCKING NAME CHANGE, AND STOP BEING SO CLOSE TO MOI.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

stfu scumbag you distracting pieace of mush

Don't be so cruel ABR <3

P-Edit: What does it benefit me? My faction has lost already. Helping town at this point would be unsportsmanlike to the IC. -shrug-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe I just like him better <3

No, but in all seriousness, I'm not gonna give it up. It's like the dying Mafia who knows who the SK is, giving the SK away as they die.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm not gonna strike SC 5 hours into the game.

-looks at yesterday-

-shakes head-

Also, it's Day Fucking 4. It's not 5 hours into the game.

I'm happy with my vote on SC for one simple reason.

The IC controls the Riders factional kill now

This is clearly witnessed by the death of BL and ONLY BL.

There's no way that the lone Rider scum was able to kill a Skull Crusher scum AND RB the scum sending their kill.

No. Fucking. Way. Not without inside help.

So it can therefor be concluded that

The Riders Scumteam has been exterminated!

Further,

SC is an IC member, and the last remaining "Rider" scum!

Exe is likely one of the other ICs. I see him being the Town IC.

But here is the BIGGEST issue.

IF WE DON'T LYNCH THE REMAINING RIDER-IC TODAY, THEN IC WILL GAIN CONTROL OF THE SKULL CRUSHER FACTIONAL KILL.

This can be concluded because the Rider IC member has a kill and a RB, and knows what the Skull scumteam is doing. So all they have to do is RB the kill sender, Kill the remaining non-IC scum member, and that leaves only the IC Skull scum remaining, in possession of the factional kill.

2 factional kills for 1 team, aswell as a roleblocking ability.

SC NEEDS TO DIE TODAY, OR TOWN LOSES THIS GAME VERY QUICKLY.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because if I killed Exe, then I would still die the following night, thanks to the NR kill.

Further, to get Exe deaded, I would need to pull a BabySpice. I was hoping to get the DSK to shoot him.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EXE, the Win condition changed.

And you know that. You're trying to fool people.

Not that it mattrs anymore.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pretty sure RC said somewhere that the IC don't need to all be alive to win?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

YEAH.

DEATH.

K, SO. I'M A SECRET JESTER.

I WIN, KAY? <3

LOVE YOU ALL. BAI.

(No, really, I'm just a normal scum. Not IC. GL everyone)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

REAPERCHILD, SHOW US WHO THE IC WERE.
IT HAD TO BE LLD RIGHT RAWR!

No.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That coupled with KL thinking he was town....KL thought I was scum too and tunneled me for god knows how long, I hope I was framed because damn.

You were indeed, brosieur. Unlucky on that really. I second-guessed that result a lot because of how you were the voice of reason for a lot of the game, but I just didn't think the odds of you being framed N1 were great enough.

Btw, I wasn't a normal cop. 2-shot cop, 2-shot watcher, 2-shot tracker. Didn't expect you to follow my results without question after I died (especially with the presence of mixmaster for a night and framers) otherwise I would have called Magua "not mafia".

Great game by Magua though. Even knowing that there was always a chance of him being DSK, I only doubted him twice and those doubts were quickly assuaged each time.

That was mine. I knew the cop would invest you N1.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: I knew the cop would Invest ABR N1.