Open 290 - Double Day (Game Over)

[Hiraki]

Vote: Number 58

Top of the list.

[Hiraki]

I see Bvi is town. Silver's still an idiot.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, you are a jerk

Jerks are usually the people who know what they're doing, or are the people that people hate for being cooler than them.

Me? Eh. I'm probably too good for either category.

[Hiraki]

These past few posts got me confused as to what game I'm in.

Unvote, Vote: silverbullet999

FoS: Hiraki

Quit confusing me. =P

VOTE: ConfidAnon for subscribing to the oldest scumtell in the books.

Psst. Meran's post is just as bad, and/or worse.

Also, these FoS' are quite amusing.

Confid. Convince me why I shouldn't vote you right now.

[Hiraki]

Hmmzorz.

I want to put my vote on Confid because of his FoS, but Meran is meeeeeh for her distasteful BWing.

Unvote

Carry on children.

[Hiraki]

soo hiraki.. you'll be more or less sitting in the back and watching ?

hmmmmm

VOTE: Hiraki

Totally. I was waiting for a response. Nice assumption though.

[Hiraki]

What the hell is it with you guts and voting. It's almost like if someone posts a word you don't like, you're going to need to vote them.

[Hiraki]

Silver. See that? That's a mouse. Pay little to no attention to it.

Now see that? That's an elephant. Do comment on that.

Also, yes you did assume because you said I was fense-sitting when I most obviously am not.

How do you know this? Because I'm sure both are good wagons.

[Hiraki]

Sitting back and just watching is a basic implication of fense-sitting.

Pim. Are you ever going to make a good post, or should I expect this crap from you for the entire game?

[Hiraki]

fence sitting =/= lurking

So you're afraid I'm going to lurk.

Under all this pressure?

That's just mean.

[Hiraki]

Nobody_Special. You don't think that 58 was merely stating his opinion in a direct format?

[Hiraki]

You do know that you have permission to my points against you, right Hikari?

I do, but I realize that your entire case on me, is on the basis of a misunderstanding. Therefore, I don't really care about it.

Hiraki because he didn't need to unvote

I liked 58. Sure, there was no reason to do it, but does that mean I can't do it? He didn't need pressure at that moment, I needed to see which one that did.

and where is your name?

Oh right, Nacho wants to lynch himself. Totally forgot.

Also, Furclow's point is based off of me BWing when I had the first RVS vote. How is that me BWing?

[Hiraki]

Boberz is in this game? He hasn't posted once.

Yikes!

[Hiraki]

Pim. There is no misunderstanding. You have horrible reasoning against me, that's it.

[Hiraki]

Pim. There is no misunderstanding. You have horrible reasoning against me, that's it.

I do, but I realize that your entire case on me, is on the basis of a misunderstanding. Therefore, I don't really care about it.

Besides that, you still have permission to explain.

Fuck. This is the second time in a week that I messed up two games, my apologies.

Your case is still crap though, because you're assuming that Confid is scum. Wouldn't you want Confid to flip first before voting me?

[Hiraki]

Oh btw. I looked at Meran and Confid. Eh. I could do either, but for right now, Meran needs more pressure.

Vote: Meransiel

[Hiraki]

Did you just FoS me for apologizing because the game isn't fucked?

I apologized because I was being a douchebag without reason. When I'm a douchebag with reason that stands, then I won't apologize.

Here's a good question. DrBokchoy. Why are you tunneling Nacho?

[Hiraki]

this is not the response I was looking for. I felt like Pim's case on you was pretty good, actually, for d1.

Again, the case leans on the possibility that Confid is scum.

[Hiraki]

Nope. Because my points against you come down to you faking that you're scumhunting. And I think it's rather you-Meransiel than you-ConfidAnon. Especially now that you ignoring my case against you gives you way too much attention and you want to get rid of it by pointing towards Confid.

Um...

The thought behind the vote/FoS posts is that one gets lesser attention (The one with the FoS) than the other (The one with the vote).

Isn't that saying that the FoS is my scumbuddy, because I'm alerting some but not all attention to him, but the vote is town?

So it would still need at least one flip.

Meran is scummy because his posts are horrible. Also, #33 looks like a lolBWjustcauseIcan.

Confid was scummy because he FoS'd me for no reason. He later explains that it's because I'm confusing. Since when does confusing=scum? Not many times.

[Hiraki]

FOS Fur

Quote wars generally arent helpful. seems very defensive of himself. seems very aggressive and isnt gaining any town points from me

Could you answer my question on why you're randomly going after different people after I pointed out that you're tunneling Nacho hardcore?

Also, could you post a decent post? Two liners

really

aren't helping my case on you.

I'm going to skip #186 for now because it's 1 AM, and I'm not in the mood for quote searching. I'm leaning that it won't change my attitude of Fur though.

. . . I didn't realize I'd have to clarify this, but that was an RVS, not serious, post. I was fairly sure that the little tongue sticking out emoticon made that clear, but from now on I'll be clearer.

But you still FoS'd me. There was something serious in that post.

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki and singersigner: I actually have a problem reading this two chaps. They both have a...way of posting, that I don't know whether I should attribute to personality or alignment. Hiraki is being overprotective of himself, immediately questioning everyone that shows even the sightliest suspicion of him.

You should try it more often. Especially if the other person can't bring up any reason. It's a nice way to find easy scum.

I don't like Apokalypitka's first post. Especially the part where he votes Nacho, and then he FoS' bviogot. You wanna know the problem here? He completely misses all the little elephants in the room.

[Hiraki]

What are your reads past Meransiel, Hiraki?

1)Number 58: Null
2)Confid: Leaning scum
3)TwistedSpoon: Null, but I haven't really checked TS out yet. He's next on my list.
4)bviogot: Leaning Town
5)Klazam: Eh. Leaning scum. I won't say VI yet.
6)Furclow: Town
7)singersinger: After TS
8)Meran: Town
9)silverbullet: VI
10)Nacho: Leaning Town
11)DrBokChoy: Leaning Scum
12)Apokotalpytica(Butchered that): Leaning scum
13)Pim: Eh. Town

Unvote, Vote: DrBokChoy

This guy needs pressure now. Hop on.

[Hiraki]

Can we get a policy on DrBok? He's pissing me off by ignoring everything in the thread except for 3 people.

Also, Fur. I didn't call you scum. I just found flaws in your reasoning. Your hunting is pro-town though, so we're on good terms.

[Hiraki]

gut > reasoning

Not sure what your point is here.

But happy scumday!

[Hiraki]

WTF. I missed three people.

YUCK.

[Hiraki]

Hmmzorz.

Unvote, Vote: Apoctolyptica

[Hiraki]

Your first post and latest post are horrible.

If you realize that Nacho is smart and not paying attention, you realize that Nacho is smart and not paying attention. There are no scum tells here. You're just stating things and finding random conclusions. This is scummy.

[Hiraki]

Fur. What do you think of Cal again?

[Hiraki]

Lol hiraki is failing, I think he's mixing up players in games.

That.

Switch Cal with Klazam.

[Hiraki]

I need to re-read this game. I'll post the next time I get better reads on everyone.

[Hiraki]

Most of those are consistent, however, I can't seem to recall most of this game, so that means a re-read is in order.

Would you not agree?

[Hiraki]

As a (sort of) disinterested party here, I just read it that he wanted to update and refine his reads, not that his initial reads were flawed. Really, SB, I think you're making too much out of this.

That.

Also, that push confirms SBtown to me. At least 99% sure.

[Hiraki]

Right so Apoktolyptica is still my first choice.

PREZZURRR

[Hiraki]

Pod. A delight.

Are you still living in a small town?

Apok: Stop ignoring me like Dr.

[Hiraki]

Apok. Why are you fucking ignoring me, and being scummy?

[Hiraki]

Sorry about that, something don gone wrong, so I couldn't post.

However.

Meran wagon?

This better be good.

[Hiraki]

Oh come on. I was about to start on this one. Silver, you're a dick. I don't even care what Meran will flip(town btw.)

[Hiraki]

Silver. This is double day.

He's going to flip town because I'm 100% sure I'm town.

(lololol actuzlly i kno becuz im scum and i kno hes not scum111!1111!11!!)

Silver. You pro scumhunter.

[Hiraki]

I've already said why. He's town.

[Hiraki]

What are your reads past Meransiel, Hiraki?

1)Number 58: Null
2)Confid: Leaning scum
3)TwistedSpoon: Null, but I haven't really checked TS out yet. He's next on my list.
4)bviogot: Leaning Town
5)Klazam: Eh. Leaning scum. I won't say VI yet.
6)Furclow: Town
7)singersinger: After TS
8)Meran: Town
9)silverbullet: VI
10)Nacho: Leaning Town
11)DrBokChoy: Leaning Scum
12)Apokotalpytica(Butchered that): Leaning scum
13)Pim: Eh. Town

Unvote, Vote: DrBokChoy

This guy needs pressure now. Hop on.

@Hiraki and singersigner: I actually have a problem reading this two chaps. They both have a...way of posting, that I don't know whether I should attribute to personality or alignment. Hiraki is being overprotective of himself, immediately questioning everyone that shows even the sightliest suspicion of him.

You should try it more often. Especially if the other person can't bring up any reason. It's a nice way to find easy scum.

I GUESS I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING WHOOPS.

[Hiraki]

Silver.

What Singersinger is trying to say, is that you should try to find an easier bandwagon.

[Hiraki]

Oh Number58.

You're my hero.

[Hiraki]

So are you calling me scum or not Apok? I believe you should already OMGUS at this point.

[Hiraki]

Silver. Why didn't you question that Pod was so sure of Meranscum?

[Hiraki]

But you obviously didn't think that of me if I had barely any proof.

P.E.

Feeling=/=Being.

[Hiraki]

I don't know how to respond to this without saying that you're acting stupid.

[Hiraki]

I'm just refuting how weak your point in defense was

It was because your attack was weak. In fact, your attack had no basis at all. Why should my defense something other than proportional?

[Hiraki]

Silver. Your constant push on me is really giving me the wrong tingle.

Just because you believe they had no significance, doesn't mean that I haven't said anything.

Also, nice question dodge.

[Hiraki]

So you don't like being pressured, noted

Depends on the kind of pressure really. ;D

But seriously. Your last bundle of posts have been on me or Pod. That's what I'm getting at.

derp... you said you had reasons as to why.. you have stated a glamorous total of NONE

You're as derpy as usual. You believe what you want, I'll believe what 's there.

Right cause your post had a question mark or had any resemblance of a question not of a reply.

This one's my fault. Mixed you up with Furclow for a moment. Apologies.

Saying you think he's town without providing any reasoning isn't really saying anything.

Fuck. Seriously?

[Hiraki]

It would be amazing if Meran was hammered in the next two posts.
Hinthint.

It's not amazing to hammer town, btw.

Defense is overrated, but I feel you have taken not answering questions and cases on you to an extreme. You should want to appear protown, to scumhunt, and to quell any suspicion of you. You are not doing the latter. I have raised a few good points against you, whether you want to admit it or not, but you repetitively just brush shit off.

Yeah, your points on me are that you've been suspicious of me.

Something else I'm missing?

You have no room to be calling someone out on dodging suspicion, this is hypocritical in my eyes, as per my above statement.

How am I dodging suspicion? I'm addressing every point of suspicion, if you haven't noticed.

However regardless... why are you concerned that i'm currently focusing on you? (Cause i'm the pro scum hunter and yous be afraid imma out you ? )

Pro-Scum hunters don't focus on one person. You've heard about tunneling right? I feel there is a very bad vibe to your push.

Tell me what is there. Let me see this world through your eyes hiraki...

Yeah...no. I've already told you what is there, and I'm confident your beliefs will not change, therefore, I believe there's no point.

However, Hero did the same thing, so I guess I'm obligated to. Oh well.

Post #15 in Meran is a major point.

Hiraki - town, leaning scum (yeah, I know it sounds weird)

I don't see the point in scum doing this. I would never even fucking dare to say this as scum or town, but definitely not scum. This would basically make Meran null/VI/SI. Therefore, it's not possible at this time to find a faction. However,

Signer - town, leaning...I have no idea

Scum would definitely not do that either. Call it null, just don't call this scummy.

To reaffirm this, Meran explains his views in #16, for bvi.

Hiraki is passive aggressive (with accent on the latter), which is either a scum or a town tell for what I'm concerned.

This is town speak, not scum speak. Dunno what scum would say in that situation rather than change their read to fit in with the crowd, IMO.

So, um.

Someone fucking hammer Meran and I will kill you at night.

Kk? Good.

[Hiraki]

IF HE FLIPS TOWN, YOU MUST ALL AGREE TO GET RID OF APOKSCUM NEXT, OKAY?

[Hiraki]

You know.. this would be perfectly fine... if you mentioned it before when I was tunneling on furc (or are we really going to be so quick to forget that?)... using this excuse with yourself though now all of a sudden? hhmmmmmmmm.

What?

Also, the second part still stands true. I'm convincing Hero at this point, I couldn't give 2 damns about what you think.

[Hiraki]

seriously? remember when I scumhunted furc.. made a big wall, called for his lynch... etc etc. Was I scumhunting him and several others at that time? The answer is no bud.

But what does that have to do with this? I don't care about then. You were null because I assumed you were VI at that point. Now that I'm reading your posts, your push is scummy here.

This is a really shitty defense for a townie because obviously you'd care what i think to see the motivation behind it and thus read me better. This is furthermore actually completely hypocritical to you saying I'm getting a bad vibe from you since that statement in itself states that you don't like what i'm thinking and doing.

I don't because I think your push is scummy. Therefore I'm getting the vibe that you're scum. However, I have a better feeling on Apok, so I'm not going to change.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki you must be feeling pretty embarrassed right now. What do you have to say about all this?

The opposing side had a worse case.

That is all.

Silver. Push it in and I will rage on you and all of your posts.

No seriously.

Vote: Apokalyptica

[Hiraki]

Silver. Push it in and I will rage on you and all of your posts.

I take it you don't want me to respond to 517 then.

See people this is opportunistic scum here.

Didn't you just fucking say that you wouldn't fucking pusue me? You fucking piece of shit.

You and your false armistices are pissing me the fuck off.

And yes, I am very mad bro.

[Hiraki]

I can't defend against a definite tell. Oh well.

Silver. I'm ceasing communications. After this period. That one. Right there.

Guys. After Apok/Me dies, kill Silver as a nice gift. kk?

[Hiraki]

Nice defense Apok. In fact, it was so good that I want to lynch you more.

[Hiraki]

im still waiting for a response from hiraki.

Who knows if you'll get one.

Ooooo. I guess I'm being anti-town now.

Furclow: I really get where you're coming from, and I'd totally do the same thing. Just, I'm not scum. Yeah I know this defense is piss poor, and it won't improve. Lynching me won't be a bad idea after Apokscum dies, if you

really

want it, but I'd rather stay against it too.

[Hiraki]

WHY ARE YOU DOING THE GAME NOW?

FUCK. YOU'VE BEEN IN THIS GAME SINCE NEAR THE BEGINNING, AND YOU DECIDE TO SCUMHUNT NOW AT L-1?

I HATE YOU LIVING GUTS.

[Hiraki]

It was sarcasm, but fine.

[Hiraki]

Furclow, in my posistion, how would you defend yourself.

[Hiraki]

Guys apok seems to be truly scumhunting
I encourage you all to wagon elsewhere

HE'S FAILING TO ADDRESS WHY HE'S SCUMMY.

FFS. IF I COME IN A GAME, LURK UNTIL LYLO AND THEN START SCUMHUNTING, DOES IT REALLY MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE?

His argument is already horrible, if you guys haven't noticed.

Personally, I think we could lynch Hikari today, and if he flips town, seriously consider Apok the next day. His lynch is probably inevitable before lylo anyways

Yours is too, btw.

It's interesting how it's possible to dismiss almost anything in mafia as WIFOM.

I'm choosing to believe that Hirkai is town in this game.

Don't worry. Later I'll prove Twistedscum.

Then I will lead you all to the Springtime of Youth!

[Hiraki]

Furcolow: You don't see anything suspicious with TS?

[Hiraki]

Vote: Twistedspoon

You're going to die today. Wall incoming.

[Hiraki]

Eh. I could wagon.

I'm bored. Do I really need to explain this?

[Hiraki]

Yes. I feel Twisted is town, AND he has an ampharos avatar.
So explain, or bow down.

{ConfidAnon, Twistedspoon, Hero764}
Welcome to lynch candidates for the next two lynches.

Your move first, cowboy.

[Hiraki]

I don't like the rush, but I understand it.

[Hiraki]

Yes. I feel Twisted is town, AND he has an ampharos avatar.
So explain, or bow down.

{ConfidAnon, Twistedspoon, Hero764}
Welcome to lynch candidates for the next two lynches.

Your move first, cowboy.

I added Twisted specifically for you. You know, so you'd still make that amazing case you promised?
Your turn, bucko.

I'm tired. I'll do it tomorrow. Can you read the ISO though?

[Hiraki]

One more day.

Came in late today due to various reasons, there is no way I can plausibly have the effort to write a wall. I definetly have the time though.

[Hiraki]

So... are you guys done fucking around now?

NO.

So... are you guys done fucking around now?

NO.

TWISTEDSCUM PROOF INCOMING. WHEE WHEE.

It's only until Post 7 that something interesting comes. Note that Post 7 is on page 8. Annoying is it? YES.

On Post 7 he votes Meran, who he had never mentioned before, claiming he forgot to do so. Hmmzorz.

Post 8 says that he did it for strawmanning. TS doesn't mention how though.

have never seen a townie play like nacho has done. Hopefully won't again
but yeah, I consider his list as shield of sorts. It was odd that he included the mods in them at first though

While I agree on the second part of your case, this looks pitiful. You can't call someone scum because you disagree with their reads. You dispute their reads, and they change if they feel good about changing it.

Agreeing with rest of #10.

Probably too risky to lynch today anyways.

Note that TS has already admitted that Nacho doesn't play a town game at all, already.

I have my eye on you Mer. I believe the cool kids these days call it an IGMEOU

Note that TS is already voting Meran. Obviously you have your eye on him. Any Sherlock could identify that. The rest of 12 is fine though.

IGMEOY for now

WHY IS IT ALWAYS IGMEOY? FFS. TO YOU MERAN SHOULD BE SCUM #1. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER SUSPECTS. FFS. IT FEELS LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE VOTING NOW.

I'm not interesting on tunneling on one player no matter how suspicious they may be.

Thanks, this tunneling was getting annoying.

and you're flailing

Oh, back to this. Awesome.

15-17 have merely any point.

#18 has little point. TS recalls past game of experience, gives no real opinion on matter.

meransiel is the easy target

next read

HA.

HAHAHA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

NEXT READ? YOU MEAN YOU READ OTHER PEOPLE THAN MERAN? IT'S A TUNNEL-FEST DAY ONE.

Not only is this

highly

ironic, but TS is STILL voting "the easy target".

You're scum, and need to die. But I will prove scum even more. I will assure your death today.

i'm not saying he isn't scum, i've said multiple times that I think he is

No, you actually haven't. You've only voted and given an IGMEOY. Note also that your vote is still your RVS vote.

alright, as long as we hear the 3 other reads and conclusions

This is toward Nacho. Not liking, just because TS has been slightly negative toward him, except when he's here. Dunno if that's association, or if that's TS' nature. Not willing to go on this though.

#23 is more crap.

#24 is fucking juicy. In fact, I could make a case just based on this post.

I suggested a mer lynch so long ago

Thanks. Can you give some...well....other reads now?

I want to hear from him again before a lynch though

Did you? After you stated that you didn't want to argue with him. HAR HAR HAR.

as well as nacho and pim

Why Pim? You haven't brought her up yet.

#25 is nice.

#26 makes Singer look scummy. Plausible lynch on her? Probably.

mer will end up being a lylo hazard anyways. The sooner he goes, the clearer things get

And this is because....?

Especially mer

MADE THIS CLEAR ON THE OTHER 25 POSTS ABOUT MER.

#34 goes back to the Nacho hate. I don't see why TS is so interested on three reads. He's already agreed on Meran scum at this point.

#36-#39 are killing me.

#40 THE FUCKING FINAL STRAW.

OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE HAS THE PERMISSION TO HAMMER, EXCEPT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO.

THIS TUNNELING IS EASILY SCUM DRIVEN. WHY NO ONE HAS DETECTED THIS IS ALARMING.

NOTE THIS:

I am tempted to vote Hikari for his last-minute protection of Mer, but it was probably town.

COMES BACK LATER I BELIEVE.

OH GOOD, IT COMES BACK ONLY A FEW POSTS LATER.

Personally, I think we could lynch Hikari today, and if he flips town, seriously consider Apok the next day. His lynch is probably inevitable before lylo anyways

HA.

HAHAHAHA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

YOU WERE TEMPTED TO VOTE ME AND STOPPED WITH A DEFENSE. YOU CALLED ME TOWN, RATHER THAN SCUM.

YOU THEN COME BACK 4 POSTS LATER WHEN THERE'S A BW ON ME, AND HOP ON.

HAHAHAHAHA. OH TS, YOU'RE

TOO

FUNNY.

LET'S GO ON THOUGH. BITCHES BEEN WAITING DAYS FOR THIS.

yeah, it might look like a complete U-turn from me maybe, but I've considered it

MIGHT?

YOU'VE CONSIDERED IT?

Oh, right, when you gave reads of people, right?

hikari knew scum wouldn't defend a scumbuddy on L-1 since it was almost inevitable that they'd be hammered, so he did so to look like he was a townie defending a town read the the last minute.

Right. Use your own logic on how I was town, and just spoof it up a bit so I look like scum.

That always works.

and this helps us catch scum how?

Oh sorry, I guess you have to care about everyone's votes, and ask every single question in the book. It is the scum advantage to know everyone's opinion.(lolol that's why TS gave no reads lololol)

In #58, TS shows us all that he's voting me again.

but what matters now is getting back to our scum-lynching ways

No, we should probably lynch town by now.

Here's the point TS. Your posts that don't have content are horrible. They make me cry. They're full of IIoA, and lead us nowhere. The posts that you do make that have content? They were tunnels. Long and dark ones at it too.

P.E.

Twistedspoon- He pushed heavily on Meransiel the entire day.

DID YOU SEE HOW HE PUSHED? ISO HIM FFS.

[Hiraki]

I have never seen a townie play like nacho has done.

Hopefully won't again

Actually...I didn't see this before. Doesn't the bolded say that Nacho is definitely town?

Not really. But you get points for trying.

[Hiraki]

1)Your tunnel is horrendous. I'm sure about this scum read.

2)Why would I ever think about what would I say in defense? I think you're scum. Only scum thinks of defenses.

I did put analysis in there. It's pretty obvious, IMO.

[Hiraki]

@Twisted: I don't really like how you keep using Hiraki's poor reads in the past to discredit this one. Also, what do you think of #671?

I was going to mention this, but that was actually a re-vote, so it was more of a meh to put it in. I let it slide.

I'm sure my reply won't be as late as Hikari's

Are you trying to make me mad?

1) tunnel on you or mer? And what's wrong with tunneling if they produce scum like mer did. Nothing is the answer. All that matters is the flip, and mer jolly well flipped scum and I'm sure you could do so too

Have you ever heard of bussing? God you're going dense now.

2) because after getting 2 reads disastrously wrong, you'll jolly well be needing one. I'll be flipping town should I be lynched and then you'll see that your case cannot have been that good after all

Ahh. Right, because my case has flaws which you are going to easily pinpoint and destroy.

This is on right now. There is absolutely no way I'm getting off this lynch, this is policy.

If I'm town, I'm not worried about defending myself. If I'm scum, then yes, I should have a hidden blade up my sleeve. However, there's no hidden blade. There's a motherfucking shotgun.

[Hiraki]

If I'm scum, then yes, I should have a hidden blade up my sleeve. However, there's no hidden blade. There's a motherfucking shotgun.

Erm... scum would holster a hidden weapon you say... you are holstering a hidden weapon... ummm

?

I'm not soft-claiming, if that's what you're asking.

[Hiraki]

I have never seen a townie play like nacho has done.

Hopefully won't again

Actually...I didn't see this before. Doesn't the bolded say that Nacho is definitely town?

no

Yes, it does.

If there's a slip, it's more of "I have never seen a townie play like nacho has done." rather than "Hopefully won't again."

what's there to softclaim anyways?

I was thinking of a different ongoing game, with a vig.

just to warm myself up methinks Hikari needs to look beyond his scrabble games and try and understand what proof is. Nothing that follows is proof. The opposite actually since his case is completely wrong

The reason that you're taking all my words so specifically makes me think I'm going to get

really

annoyed reading.

so we'll just discount 7 other posts because they're not interesting enough. I found plenty of evidence against your case in my first 7 posts, but a good job of strawmanning you did to discount them

WHAT?

WHAT?

IS THIS SERIOUS? Look. I skipped your first 7 posts because there was nothing on them. They were one-three lines. It's not a strawman if I don't include them, because they aren't scummy. Is this a real serious accusation? Fuck you're flailing already!

Just to note though, interesting means not-scummy, and things of that nature. Bad is scummy.

That's twisting my words. Even townies can have shields to protect themselves from other townies.

Good point, it wasn't a major point in my case though.

so? He could still be town and that makes him too risky to lynch.

You are admitting that you believed it was too risky to lynch a town person. Why would you ever admit to lynch anyone that you thought was town? This doesn't make sense.

I have never seen scum try a gambit like nacho's either if that's what you want to hear. Thus i have a nullish read on him and I'd much rather lynch a scumread over a nullread. Who wouldn't?

Fine.

Also, just to note, you missed the first two lines of my case. Was wondering if that was because you skimmed, or you just honestly missed them.(HEADING TOWARDS THE FIRST)

pointing out the obvious is hardly analysis now is it?

YES, BECAUSE EVERY POST I MAKE HAS UBER ANALYSIS IN IT. WOOT WOOT TS.

anyways, what's wrong with having my eye on mer too? I'm reminding him that my vote is neither weak, random or passive and that he had better up his game

BECAUSE IT'S A HORRIBLE PUSH.

IGMEOY mer to give him a false sense of security and watch him scumslip again. Also, if he was town, how could he scumhunting if i was constantly attacking him?

You honestly don't think that people can defend and scumhunt in one post? Also, your vote already gives him that pressure. An IGMEOY isn't going to do much.

so annoying = scumtell now?
anyways, aren't you kinda tunneling on me?

I'm glad you figured it out! Bit late though.
Yes, I am. But unlike you, I'm not pushing on one concise point.

nice strawmanning in not posting them for others to see though

WHAT THE FUCK.

A "Straw man" argument (also called "setting up a straw man") involves mischaracterizing your opponent's position in order to present a weaker argument than they have actually given, thereby allowing you to defeat it.

ONLY YOU COULD STRAWMAN. STOP TELLING ME I CAN STRAWMAN, BECAUSE I OBVIOUSLY CAN'T.

Also, just to note 0-7 isn't part of the argument because you manage to talk with Nacho about lynching the mod. Do I need to go further on how useless these posts are? I don't really find anything scummy in it, but some others. That's up to them.

1) You quoted so out of context. This was addressed to nacho when i asked for his conclusions.

No, this isn't a question. Try again. In fact, Nacho says in his next post "No, Meran is the scum." even

he

thought you were going against your reads there. Even if this was in response to Nacho, this has little to do with Nacho's post because Nacho calls Meran scummy. You just randomly called Meran the easy target. There's nothing special about this. So nice lie.

2) Mer was an easy target. so? I voted him because he was an easy target who happened to be scum

When you call someone an easy target, you're not calling them scum anymore. See Nacho.

3) Mer didn't satisfy me as nacho's conclusions. Mer would die soon and Nacho would then need another conclusion to play with

WHY IS THIS HERE? I DON'T CARE ABOUT NACHO.

4) It's almost like you didn't want your scumbuddy to die the way you still protect mer

Y'know the only two real points on this post are 1 and 2. 3 and 4 are just an easy way to add content that doesn't really exist. Also, are you calling Nacho my scumbuddy?

5) since when was HAHA analysis?

Even if I don't have analysis in this post, and even if you disagree that I've never put a sentence of analysis in this case, there's still the point that your posts alone are scummy.

All he's doing is pointing out the obvious in my change in reads, as if to say that only scum change their reads

Town doesn't change their reads this drastically between two posts, especially when a BW forms. You saw opportunity, and you went for it.

also your logic here is complete wifom

What? You used what you saw in me as town, and you used it in me as scum. I was town.

In #46, you called me town for my last minute Mer defense.

In #53?

hikari knew scum wouldn't defend a scumbuddy on L-1

Ha. Hahaha. Hahahahahahahahaha!

so? analysis?

Is this a defense? You're totally avoiding the point and asking me for analysis. Is that your easy way out? I never noticed it. Then again, that was point 5 of that big point that I hated a lot as well. This is plausible.

'they make me cry' Hey AtE all around from hikari

ARE YOU JOKING? YOU THINK I CRY OVER YOUR POSTS? YOU MUST NOT BE SERIOUS HERE. I MIGHT ACTUALLY CRACK UP NOW.

'they lead us nowhere' THEY LED US NOWHERE? WE LYNCHED SCUM MERAN THANKYOUVERYMUCH

AND NOW YOU GET ME AS SCUM, AFTER USING YOUR OWN LOGIC FOR AND AGAINST ME. THE TUNNELS GOT TO SCUM, LUCKILY, BUT AFTER THAT? DAY 1.5 WAS ALL ABOUT APOK. NOTHING WAS OBTAINED FROM KILLING MERANSCUM.

I like how you discount all of my townieness and concentrate on all of the non-townie things i have done (or the ones which you have twisted in your posts to look non-townie)

SO YOU ADMIT THAT YOU DO LOOK SCUMMY. FUCKING HELL, I NEED A LYNCH NOW.

in conclusion Hikari seems to be living in a false world where Mer was never scum and I am. Wifom, ate and the good old straw man are his chums and he doesn't neglect them.

Right. I think it's you living in the false world.

I haven't even started on the Hikari iso, and I don't even need to

Right. Because I'm

that

scummy already. The only good point on me you have is that I protected Mer, which you used a some posts before.

And with that I'm done arguing with Hikari. We'd be better off lynching him now. I want to hear from the rest of the town on this too

Remember this guys! He's done arguing with me!

[Hiraki]

Not really...I hope this isn't just me either >__<

[Hiraki]

And that is why you shouldn't go after easy lynches. Now, die.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Btw. you still skipped some posts in my first wall.

Who's strawmanning again?

[Hiraki]

assume that they were all 3 then

I don't think you're getting the point.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Ugh. I did it twice today.

Also, you did not skip two. You skipped my large points on Post #24, which obviously are too miniscule considering I could make a case to vote you out of that post alone, and many other posts. I was going to just copy and paste what you did miss, but let me give everyone else a little perspective.

The point where TS makes 5 points on my post? Yeah, that's post #20.

The next post that TS quotes? Page 3 of the ISO, #

53

You skipped part of my post, tried to cover it up by saying it was "two posts". I don't really care how many points you did miss, but you did. When I'm town/scum, and yes I believe I have said this on Mafiascum if not on the other forum I used to play on, I believe it's extremely disrespectful, scummy, and assholish to ignore points against you.

This is policy to the max. You're dead today, and I don't want to hear any objections.

Because there are none.

[Hiraki]

I like how you've suddenly become more active after my vote on you...
and I'm not dead today.The non-tunneling players have yet to decide such
although if i do die i get to make remarks behind your back in the dead qt. hmm

THANKS FOR THE APOLOGY, AND/OR EXPLANATION ON WHY YOU RANDOMLY SKIPPED THOSE POSTS.

[Hiraki]

i missed a couple of your points

overall, i covered your argument and defended my townieness

that was the idea

NO.

YOU DID NOT MISS A "couple of your points".

YOU MISSED A WHOLE CHUNK.

[Hiraki]

i'm not saying he isn't scum, i've said multiple times that I think he is

No, you actually haven't. You've only voted and given an IGMEOY. Note also that your vote is still your RVS vote.

alright, as long as we hear the 3 other reads and conclusions

This is toward Nacho. Not liking, just because TS has been slightly negative toward him, except when he's here. Dunno if that's association, or if that's TS' nature. Not willing to go on this though.

#23 is more crap.

#24 is fucking juicy. In fact, I could make a case just based on this post.

I suggested a mer lynch so long ago

Thanks. Can you give some...well....other reads now?

I want to hear from him again before a lynch though

Did you? After you stated that you didn't want to argue with him. HAR HAR HAR.

as well as nacho and pim

Why Pim? You haven't brought her up yet.

#25 is nice.

#26 makes Singer look scummy. Plausible lynch on her? Probably.

mer will end up being a lylo hazard anyways. The sooner he goes, the clearer things get

And this is because....?

Especially mer

MADE THIS CLEAR ON THE OTHER 25 POSTS ABOUT MER.

#34 goes back to the Nacho hate. I don't see why TS is so interested on three reads. He's already agreed on Meran scum at this point.

#36-#39 are killing me.

#40 THE FUCKING FINAL STRAW.

OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE HAS THE PERMISSION TO HAMMER, EXCEPT SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO.

THIS TUNNELING IS EASILY SCUM DRIVEN. WHY NO ONE HAS DETECTED THIS IS ALARMING.

YES.

[Hiraki]

I would vote Hikari before I vote twistedspoon. Ideally I would vote niether because we decide to lynch Nobody Special, or even Hero is better.

Can you at least say why? Or should I put you in the scum basket with TSS? Honestly, at least if you're going to call me scum, come with a case. TS has done a shitty defense, and you know it.

[Hiraki]

goddammit hiraki

TS is now obvtown.

HOW.

I AM BECOMING MIND-NUMBLINGLY STUPID READING THIS.

TS "MISSED" A CHUNK OF MY WALL AND STILL REFUSES TO RESPOND TO IT. HOW IS THAT TOWN?

THERE IS NO MOTIVATION TO IGNORE SOMETHING THAT IS SCUMMY. IT'S LIKE HAVING A PIMPLE THE SIZE OF A BUILDING ON YOUR FACE AND SAYING IT'S ONLY A SCRATCH.

[Hiraki]

FURCOLOW. ANSWER MY QUESTION.

[Hiraki]

We didn't make them for everyone to ignore, you know :p

[Hiraki]

goddammit hiraki

TS is now obvtown.

Why?

YES.

THE VOICE OF REASON.

I'M NOT ALONE.

I'M ACTUALLY CRYING NOW.

[Hiraki]

[Hiraki]

YES. I AM APPEALING TO BVIGOT WITH MY EMOTION.

HOW AM AtEING? THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

Twistedspoon. Your scum hunting in this game is to spurt out random tells whenever something seems like it. This is extremely similar to a scum scumhunt. Therefore, you are scum.

[Hiraki]

whatever

you're being too dramatic though, It's just silly

Whatever is not an acceptable response.

[Hiraki]

FURCOLOW. ANSWER MY QUESTION.

?
All I've seen from you is a possible connection to SingerSigner and you tunneling on TwistedSpoon, I have seen no questions from you towards me

You are not in a position to be questioning anyone, anyways.

TS "MISSED" A CHUNK OF MY WALL AND STILL REFUSES TO RESPOND TO IT. HOW IS THAT TOWN?

[Hiraki]

FURCOLOW. ANSWER MY QUESTION.

?
All I've seen from you is a possible connection to SingerSigner and you tunneling on TwistedSpoon, I have seen no questions from you towards me

You are not in a position to be questioning anyone, anyways.

TS "MISSED" A CHUNK OF MY WALL AND STILL REFUSES TO RESPOND TO IT. HOW IS THAT TOWN?

I have seen you ignore people's cases/questioning/wording this game rampantly and find your commenting/questioning to be very hypocritical

Find some proof of this, and I'll believe you.

[Hiraki]

UNVOTE: Twistedspoon

Can you explain now Nacho?

so you're voting me over an issue you have with nacho

I can't complain though, I thought your vote was already on me :/

@mod: how're the replacements going?

Can you explain how this makes

any

sense?

And obviously if someone unvotes you, their vote was on you. I'd put a meme image in this post, but I'm generally getting really annoyed by your play in this game, and the lack of people doing things in this game.

[Hiraki]

vote: Twisted Spoon

oh hoho
competition

I HATE YOU.

[Hiraki]

i don't get it

why did you change wagons, furc?

ONLY SCUM ASK THIS.

[Hiraki]

actually, you know what. I'm seeking a policy lynch here. We have a pretty good group, with noone taking the lead. The town is therefore more of an aggregate of consciousnesses, which is harder for scum to properly exist within.

With LLD replacing in, s/he will try to take over the game, and will not only ruin our chances of open-mindedness, but will hamper what fun I expect the game to be.

vote: LLDelta

I HATE YOU EVEN MORE NOW!

[Hiraki]

I'm not limiting discussion.

It just really looked like you were looking for why Furclow did it, rather than to make it clearer.

Y'know. The whole part about "why did you change" made me think this.

Also, while concealing information doesn't help, it kind of does in the reverse way.

Say you're in LYLO of Day 5.

Perhaps Furclow makes a contradicting statement to what he said today, but makes no further mention of you.

Wouldn't it just give you

that

feeling to snipe him out? To show him that he's wrong?

Yeah, I must admit. It's beautiful.

[Hiraki]

People who need rope: Furc, Silverbullet, Number58

HEY.

WHAT ABOUT THAT KID ON THE BLOCK.

TWISTEDSPOON?

[Hiraki]

I can join silver after these response.

But you must promise to get rid of TSscum tomorrow, whether I die or not.

[Hiraki]

People who need rope: Furc, Silverbullet, Number58

HEY.

WHAT ABOUT THAT KID ON THE BLOCK.

TWISTEDSPOON?

IT'S HIRAKI~

TWISTEDSPOON YOU SAY?

WELL, I'LL TAKE A LOOK, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M HUNTING OBVSCUM.

THAT'S A PARADOX.

THIS.SENTENCE...IS..FALSEEEE.

Requesting Votals

P.E. Oh. Awesome. We can get two scum in one day.

[Hiraki]

wow...

so...

anyone who currently votes you.. or is already voting you... is scum... by that logic... yes?

Instead of trying to twist LLD's logic, you should try to actually defend. Now seems like a good time.

[Hiraki]

You're misrepping me.

I said that anyone who joins the wagon JUST to ride the wave is likely scum.

You'll notice that my first reaction was to

ASK FOR A REASON

.

This is because had you given something semi-valid, it wouldn't have been opportunistic.

But instead, you dodged twice and gave me that horrible "reaction testing" reason.

THAT is why you are scum. Not everyone who would jump on my wagon is scum. Only those who do it with no logical basis.

And your misrep is noted. Further evidence of you being scum.

Exactly.

Unvote, Vote: Silver

[Hiraki]

You disagree with me because you are scum, and I am pushing for your lynch.

Obviously you would disagree.

Doesn't matter. Town will see you for the scum you are~.

LLD. WHY AREN'T THESE SUBS OUT YET?

I ALMOST SPOILED MYSELF WITH ALL THIS TENSION.

[Hiraki]

YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT.

AND THIS IS THE WRONG THREAD FOR THAT TOPIC. STAY ON GAME RELATED STUFFS IN HERE.

MADOKA IS FOR MADOKA THREAD.

BUT I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE.

LIKE IT'S BEEN 3 WEEKS, AND I'M AT THE SECONDS WAITING FOR THESE GOD-DAMN SUBS.

I MEAN, SILVER IS ALREADY CONFIRMED, CAN'T WE LEAVE IT AT THAT?

[Hiraki]

I'm goin off for awhile, gonna say this though.. @ all if you think i'm scum, vote me, if i'm lynched, i'm lynched. If I flip town (which I will) you

need

to lynch LLD cause 1. If she's somehow town... she's literally terribad and will drive this town to shit. 2. she's more than likely scum.

Even if you are town, you realize that we won't lynch LLD, based off this reasoning right?

You're scummy. LLD found you at fault, convinced us.

[Hiraki]

I could go for either LLD or Hiraki. They both are crunchycrispy delicious scum.

NS. You've seen my play more than once modding.

I'm quite aware this is a side you've never seen from me anymore.

However, I've been nice in making my logic clear and concise. So, DON'T BE AN IDIOT.

[Hiraki]

You just labeled NS as town without reason. Only scum can afford to do that.

NS isn't scum.

He's not lurking.

NS only ever posts when he's town. Always always always.

I have the experience, I would know. I can reference games with him as both.

This is totally true.

P.E.

Agreeing again. Why the mood change Singer?

[Hiraki]

LLD literally has drawn the me as super scum to you when just a day before most if not all of you thought I was town... further more doesn't me getting lynched and flipping town completely prove my point as to LLD be completely hazardous for this town regardless?

No, you being lynched just proves that you're scummy. Unless everyone here is blind sheep, LLD can't randomly force everyone to go on her lynch. When you are lynched, it will just prove that LLD has valid proof, and you are scummy. That's it.

Why are you so intent on getting behind LLD so hard?

Because you fell for Furclow's trap. Even if it's not a trap, it's certainly being used as one by me. Also, that hardcore misrep isn't amazing either.

[Hiraki]

Two, this sorta feels like a scum slip since you just admitted that when I'm lynched... It'll show i'm scummy and that's it...

This is assuming if you're town, obviously. I was in your mindset for a moment.

Too tired for anything else right now.

[Hiraki]

[quite="Silver"]THIS YOU *kitten*... I'm a townie... you've literally built up a case on bullshit and REFUSE TO SHOW ACTUAL EVIDENCE OF JUST ABOUT ANYTHING.[/quote]That's a lie, and you know it. LLD has shown proof, you just won't admit it's true proof. What's your defense against that? NOOO!!111!1!1!!1!!

At this point seeing what you've caused I want you dead, regardless if it has me dieing first or not. You are a horrible addition for this town (unless you are scum) upon which you are a gift, I told you I don't give a shit if I'm dead first but if/when I flip town I want you dead right after so this bs doesn't happen to another townie and you drive the town to literal destruction with your overconfiden arrogant kitten.

How is LLD a horrible addition? How is she overconfident? You've given horrible defenses, and a horrible case. You have been scummy. I don't see how you can't realize this by now.

I HOPPED ON FOR YOUR REACTION NOW THAT I'VE SEEN HOW MUCH OF A STU.. KITTEN KITTEN KITTEN ARROGANT KITTEN KITTEN KITTEN YOU ARE I WANT YOU DEAD.

Wanting someone dead because you believe they'll kill "townies" by using their own logic against them is probably a good way to scumhunt. So...you want a good scumhunter dead?

SHOW ME THIS MISREP. WHERE DID YOUR ACCUSATION OF BACKPEDDELING GO. HOW IS IT AN APPEAL TO AUTHORITY... SHOW ME ALL OF THIS YOU KITTEN.

She's said all of this, if not most of it in her posts. And I am 100% sure that's correct.

Bullshit, if your in my mindset then your agreeing with me, even if your assuming im town then obviously you see the destruction and chaos that LLD is causing and that there's a big fucking problem with all of this.

Yes, destruction and chaos. Perhaps that's what scum says when they're being pressured to the core and flailing.

Who is all of us btw?

[Hiraki]

Why are you so afraid to attempt to prove me wrong with evidence... why do you not supply explanations... why are you constantly quoting tells without providing any proof whatsoever, nor explanation, whenever I ask you to provide me evidence?

wow...

so...

anyone who currently votes you.. or is already voting you... is scum... by that logic... yes?

Here's the misrep, as I explained in this post:

You're misrepping me.

I said that anyone who joins the wagon JUST to ride the wave is likely scum.

You'll notice that my first reaction was to

ASK FOR A REASON

.

This is because had you given something semi-valid, it wouldn't have been opportunistic.

But instead, you dodged twice and gave me that horrible "reaction testing" reason.

THAT is why you are scum. Not everyone who would jump on my wagon is scum. Only those who do it with no logical basis.

And your misrep is noted. Further evidence of you being scum.

For the first part.. have you read any of my posts?

No, in fact I'm still ignoring you. Your posts just say she's bad. You've given no logical conclusion why she's bad, just that she's bad because her push against you is bad because she's making up things, which she's not, you even admitted it in this post.

Toog... are we really gonna forget the fake hammer I performed...

That doesn't make you town or scum. It just gives information. Sure, you could consider it a pro-town move, but right now you look horrible.

So...

That has no effect.

Also, I'm going to label Toog as town for the appeal. I couldn't see Silver trying to get a scumbuddy to help him.

What you talking about

Why did you ignore your section in 872?

First off I did, it just seems that you completely ignored it by quoting it.

Second off,

Bullshit, if your in my mindset then your agreeing with me, even if your assuming im town then obviously you see the destruction and chaos that LLD is causing and that there's a big fucking problem with all of this.[/qupte] I don't know where I got us, but w/e. New question.

You do realize that by saying "your mindset" I meant in your view.

Right?

You're not reading/caring about LLD's posts and it's quite apparent.

[Hiraki]

This is fiction else you would have stfu and stopped quoting shit and pretending to build a further bs case on me and stopped defending LLD.

Really? No, I thought I would've just modkilled you at this point. Because I can do that.

It has everything to do with what Toog said, especially since he's basing this on old days thus far and not current from what I got... Stop trying to discredit me when it has literally nothing to do with you.

Yes, but again, you're basing one action to be your poster when you already have 100 bad things.

It's like if Russia launched a nuclear warhead at the USA, France, G.B. and China, and then they gave 1 million dollars to a big charity.

Do you think Russia looks good now because they gave 1 million dollars? No, not at all really.

FURTHER BULLSHIT ELSE I WOULDN'T BE QUOTING HER POSTS AND ASKING ABOUT THEM

But you're obviously missing the point and forgetting the one before it on almost every occasion.

Ok one simple question... show me where she's shown my backpedaling.

While LLD doesn't give any concrete answers in a post, the answer can be easily seen in your post, #811.

That's how LLD works by now, if you haven't noticed.

Btw., why are you only caring about Backpedaling and not the other parts of the list? Y'know, you usually want to take everything out, rather than one little tiny thing.

[Hiraki]

You're missing the point too many times for me to give an effort at this.

[Hiraki]

2. Furc's "PL" payed off, as people are definitely noticing the activity.

Which confirms Furclow as town, btw.

You're missing the point too many times for me to give an effort at this.

... What magical point have i missed hiraki...

i to the negative first power.

To put it simply, I'm done arguing with you, because your posts are becoming less and less about the game, and more and more about LLD's reasonings suck!11!1!1!!1

That means you have no defense.

[Hiraki]

If Furc's vote on LL was a gambit

If

.....

..........

c'mon that's just intimidation to make us agree with your reads.

......
......
......

what do you have to say, LLD, should silver flip town? Or is that not a possibilty to you?

.....
.....
.....

TS.

YOUR POSTS SUCK.

[Hiraki]

TWISTED SPOON.

YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF MY POSTS, BECAUSE YOU QUESTIONED IF LLD THOUGHT THAT SILVER WOULD FLIP TOWN.

FFS. WHY DON'T YOU ASK A FEMALE HUMAN IF SHE HAS A DICK?

[Hiraki]

no, I asked her what she would say if silver does eventually flip town, not does she think he will

you need to clam down mate, I don't like the tone and aggressiveness you're using

I DON'T LIKE THE COOL TONE YOU ALWAYS USE.

But fine, I did misread that, so I'll take it back.

Still, you did try to call Furclow's vote something other than a gambit, you can see LLD's points but won't vote Silver because of his reads, showing that when he flips scum you'll be next due to this, you called a post an intimidation, you said you might be satisfied with his lynch but gave no other candidates while assuming that I'm still one, and you questioned bvigot on something that was really inconsequential because you said you believed silverscum.

Tell me this. Do you like silvertown, or silverscum?

[Hiraki]

Twisted and Hiraki.

This is town on townamd it is distracting from us lynching the real scum, SB.

Now stop comparing sick sizes and help me lynch this scum, Kay~?

VOTE IS ON HIM, NOTHING MORE TO DISCUSS.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki - scum, he's ignoring the contradictions that he himself states and i bring up and is literally parroting lld

Control + F time guys.

Pssst. It's not there.

[Hiraki]

-Twisted
After a game I was in called There Will Be Bloodshed
stating a strong town read would more or less probably be hazardous and risk confirmation bias.

Considering I was in that game, no.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Nacho was too. He can back me up.

[Hiraki]

Then why was pine alive for the whole game... cause oh yeah mastin shouted Townie Townie to his dying breath..

stop being an idiot... stop trying to discredit me...

stating a strong town read would more or less probably be hazardous and risk confirmation bias.

I'm still working on the wall. But a tl;dr of what the wall will be?

I'm so convinced Pine is town, that I swear,

if Pine is scum,

I will retire from Mafia

forever

under the name of Mastin--that's right; I'm so confident that if I am wrong,

I will NEVER make another post, not in a game, not even in MD, completely abandoning the site for an eternity

. I'm dead-serious.
Who here is that sure Pine is scum?
'Cause I'm that sure, THAT confident, that Pine is town. And will write the Wall to prove it, too.

HMM.

I WONDER WHY.

[Hiraki]

Silver, stop taunting her (however entertaining it is).

"Kitten" really isn't a funny taunt.

I hope you realize this.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki... you just stated what calc (mastin) stated in game when pine was being wagoned... that post literally stopped the wagon on pine and got confirmation bias on him practically... and he ended up being scum... what point are you trying to prove?

Because that wasn't the only thing he did. If he said, "Oh yeah, I think Pine is obv. town, get off him", no one would care.

Because this is Mastin, someone who doesn't make high risk moves and writes walls, this him going against everything he's done and proven multiple times he's right about, and outright stating that he will leave Mafiascum.net if he doesn't get this right. Granted he was wrong, but the point is that Mastin was willing to take that risk in order to save Pine from dying that people were swayed from lynching him. It wasn't that they just said he was a strong town read.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki...if you think that's what I'm talking about, you're an idiot.

I know it wasn't, but I'm just stating that his insults go every way. So complementing him on one may make more horrible ones.

Like calling LLD tiger.

What was LLD's supposed typo btw?

[Hiraki]

You know, I really need to change my vote now.

Vote: LLD

There we go. Much better.

YOU.

NS.

YOU CAN'T SWITCH FROM ME TO LLD.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE.

AND YOU'RE POSTING LESS.

AKJSHGJHAJGAAGS:

[Hiraki]

Silver is flailing. I can't see that being a scumslip of any sort.

Nothing changes.

P.E.

NS doesn't explain.

And if he does, he won't stop.

[Hiraki]

Silver.

Have I told you how annoying you really are?

I asked one question, and you criticized my reading abilities.

[Hiraki]

Going back to the fake hammer is backpedaling btw.

Who's scum Silver?

[Hiraki]

Read my iso

No. State them here, right now.

I've read your ISO, and I want you to see your own fault.

[Hiraki]

had you even taken the initiative to even glance at my iso you'd easily see it...

Taken what you've said in some posts as well, do you see a problem here?

Like with the number of scum reads you have?

[Hiraki]

I'm not in the mood for this, but you've called numerous people scum, exceeding 3.

And yes, I did read your ISO. You do it directly, and indirectly.

[Hiraki]

I shouldn't but it's 11:20.

And yes I did.

[Hiraki]

YOU DECIDED TO POST A RANT, INSTEAD OF ON THE ACTUAL GAME.

THIS GAME IS STARTING TO REALLY SUCK, NO OFFENSE.

And I swear Silver. If you fucking quote this and say, "I know" I will make my own fucking offtopic rage.

You don't want me to really rage.

[Hiraki]

eh

I just want to say that if silver flips town, then one of Hikari or delta is definitely scum

but they shouldn't have to worry about that since they're 99% certain he won't

Setting up lynches already.

Didn't you join our wagon?

Why can't you be scum?

[Hiraki]

i can but I know I'm not

also, I'm only on it on the grounds that no other lynches are feasible and Furc admits it's a gambit

also, Silver might very well flip scum

Is this a scum claim or what?

You note that Silver might flip scum, while I might flip scum as well. Of course you probably have more confident in me being scum, but apparently because Silver has more votes you should go for him.

This is while I will kill you tomorrow.

[Hiraki]

If I can't find any scumtells, I'll be voting Twistedspoon.

EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE HELPING,

I HATE YOU.

[Hiraki]

OH MY GOD.

FURCLOW.

IS THIS REAL?

ARE YOU LIKE HELPING ME?

INSTEAD OF VOTING ME?

LIKE BEFORE?

I FORGIVE YOU.

[Hiraki]

CONSIDERING THAT I'VE TOLD FURCLOW THAT I HATE HIM MULTIPLE TIMES IN THIS THREAD, NO.

[Hiraki]

Or because he's seen reason.

I'm liking the second one.

I never said Furclow was scum, I just hated him. I don't think he is either.

[Hiraki]

I can hammer this.

BUT I'D REALLLY PREFER TS.

[Hiraki]

NO.

I REALIZED I COULDN'T HAMMER IT.

GAH FFS.

[Hiraki]

He unvoted so no one would hammer.

Did you read?

[Hiraki]

NO. I REALIZED THAT TOO.

[Hiraki]

Twidles thumbs isn't a role that I'm familiar with.

[Hiraki]

Attempted PL. You know what I meant.

QFT.

Not liking NS much.

Singersinger looks good, considering it looks like this type of play is expected by her.

But people are wagonning TS, which is amazing.

Thanks for the Easter gift guys!

Unvote, Vote: TwistedSpoon

[Hiraki]

Especially you, Hiraki. Instead of following and imitating others, you need to actually analyze and scum-hunt.

Are you fucking serious.

I was the one who honed in on TSscum first.

If you're really going to say I haven't been scumhunting, please kindly...

Get the fuck out.

Damn straight I look good!

And...what?

People think you're bitchy, but not scum, from what I've seen.

Since you've only agitated people, I can't see you being scum because I can't see scum agitating people for the sake of doing it.

Yes, while this is a small tell, it's not a bad tell in this scenario.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki...how do you feel about Lady's attitude? You seem to be latching on to her hardcore, sheeping, buddying...and have I agitated people? Or just your buddy here, Lady?

Lady's attitude is like mine. It's very close to mine as well, to be honest. I feel that her hardcore rage has been justified because silver's actions are enraging.

[Hiraki]

I agree with you about Twistedspoon. However, you abandoned your scumread to get caught up in the anti-silverbullet999 case. Silverbullet999 may have been "enraging", but that's not a scum-tell.

I didn't abandon it. No one was going for Twistedspoon. I assumed that I was at fault, and looking at the wrong things. LLD made some good points about Silver and I added pressure. He was, and is, scummy and I wouldn't be opposed to his lynch. TSscum comes first though.

[Hiraki]

I could not tunnel TS anymore.

He was irritating me too much.

I had already convinced myself of TSscum, so I didn't see the reason to continue on.

After that LLD appeared and sparked Silverscum.

[Hiraki]

Btw. Silverscum.

Where are those contradictions?

[Hiraki]

Seriously? reread my posts... and then your responses where you more or less just call me an idiot and obvious scum... then I further claim bullshit and you more or less ignore it.

I'm not re-reading your posts one more fucking time. You're going to outline these posts not for my case, but for the case that you're actually trying to lynch me. I doubt that anyone who would join your wagon would re-read your posts just to find them.

I want obvious contradictions as well. Not small ones.

You know what I mean.

[Hiraki]

being vacant doesn't excuse him

scum slots can be vacant too

Way to deflect.

[Hiraki]

Also, the whole dismissal of Hiraki was pretty damn townie.

YOU.

DON'T MAKE ME HATE YOU LIKE FURCLOW.

[Hiraki]

No. You're actually going to explain to me how frustrated TSscum decides to stop the argument that he can't fight against is a towntell, rather than a scumtell.

[Hiraki]

That's a weak tell at best.

You should realize that.

[Hiraki]

I WON'T ADMIT YOU'RE RIGHT.

FUCK YOU NACHO.

Unvote, Vote: Singersinger

I hate you all. For screwing with my head.

Go do something bad or something while I go hurt myself and do bad stuff too.
magasgklajskf

[Hiraki]

There was some heavy Singersinger buddying with Silver.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Let me rephrase that.

Singersinger did some major Silver buddying.

[Hiraki]

Silver.

You can't make a decent case on me, so don't bother.

SS: And what have you done again?

I started TS, so GJ with that sheep notion.

[Hiraki]

First your asking for it... now you don't want me to bother... which is it... and why are you switching your mind about it.

FFS. NO, DON'T POST A CASE, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW STUPID YOUR POST IS.

YOU ARE VOTING ME.

YOU ARE THE ONLY FUCKING HUMAN IN THIS GAME VOTING ME.

IF YOU WANT OTHER HUMANS OR USERS TO VOTE YOU, YOU SHOULD MAKE A CONVINCING CASE ON ME.

HOWEVER, BEING MY COCKY, ARROGANT, DOUCHEY GAME TIME SELF, I KNOW THAT YOU, SILVER(SCUM[PROBABLY{BUT PROBABLY NOT((UGH))}]) CAN NOT POSSIBILY MAKE A GOOD FUCKING CASE ON ME, BECAUSE THE SECOND I QUESTION IT THE REPLY I'M GOING TO GET AT ANY QUESTION IS THE USUAL

"lol go look at my posts i say it in my iso"

FUCK YOU SIR. I SWEAR NACHO. IF WE LYNCH SB AND HE FLIPS SCUM, I'M COMING AFTER YOU FOR VENGEANCE.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: FUCKING NUTS.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING ME ANYMORE, BUT IT'S APPARENT(BY LOOKING THROUGH YOUR ISO) THAT YOU WANT ME DEAD.

YOU SHEEPING LITTLE BASTARD.

I HATE YOU MORE THAN FURCLOW HAS EVEN NEEDED MY HATE. THIS HAS BECOME THAT BAD.

[Hiraki]

YOU'RE NOT EVEN VOTING ME ANYMORE,

I am... you should rea... ummmm nevermind ...

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, why are you voting me if you feel so strongly that Silver is scum?

BECAUSE NACHO IS RIGHT.

HIS ACTIONS IN D1 HAVE NO SCUM MOTIVATION, UNLESS HE'S HORRIBLE SCUM.

WHICH IS ENTIRELY POSSIBLE.

Plus,

SS is scummy individually, LLD.

[Hiraki]

-Hiraki

IF YOU WANT OTHER HUMANS OR USERS TO VOTE YOU, YOU SHOULD MAKE A CONVINCING CASE ON ME.

wait, what? Convincing case on you = I want others to vote... me?

YOU GET MY FUCKING POINT.

NACHO. SEE? THIS IS HOW SILVERSCUM MAKES MORE SENSE.

[Hiraki]

That being said, I want to know what meta Nikanor has that says Nobody Special is town, because he has been trollish town at best this game, and been outright scummy most the time.

NS is usually force replaced by now, if he was scum.

[Hiraki]

Scum, if bussing, like to take credit for it.

DOUBLE LARIAT MOTHERFUCKER

UNVOTE, VOTE: TWISTEDSPOON

[Hiraki]

I hadn't taken credit for it up to now

It's only now that i've mentioned it as to take credit for ot to prevent a townie mislynch

But um.

The problem is.

You still took credit.

[Hiraki]

That's why I unvoted.

Oh wait.

Hmm.

[Hiraki]

That's all you're going to say?

That's not a defense. If you wanted people to get off your wagon you should defend yourself of why they're going to join your wagon. Not point out your pro-town actions. Makes me think more about Silverscum.

Besides, giving up is definitely not a pro-town move in my book.

[Hiraki]

Number 2 you did do.

You wanna know where to find it?

Read your ISO.

I'm not giving up, I'm just forced to point out that I did serve you mer's head on a plate whether you like it or not

since apparently pointing this out gives me scumpoints then at least I know that if you do lynch me I won't be able to be a hazard at Lylo or whatever
You'll be lynching me long before lylo anyways, prob

You were never forced to do anything. Nacho even found you as town for not talking about Meranscum. But now you do. I mean, this is stupid scum mistake.

Btw. calling yourself a hazard and making your lynch look better due to doubting your own skills makes your lynch look better.

[Hiraki]

Eh, I'll probably put up a defence soon if I have to, but I've just slipped and fallen right on my face after losing nacho now
sigh

Yeah, you're scum.

[Hiraki]

I don't see why anyone townie would have the nerve to make a defense later when they realize they're on the prime ending of being lynched.

[Hiraki]

I don't see why anyone townie would have the nerve to make a defense later when they realize they're on the prime ending of being lynched.

so i either make a defence at this point

which you find scummy

or give up

which you find scummy


All's well in the Double day hotel where I'm scummy whatever I do

Considering that you never gave a defense, you're giving up.

[Hiraki]

Considering that you never gave a defense, you're giving up.

up until this point I haven't had to

and even at this point it's only you asking for one :/

OH SORRY.

APPARENTLY WHEN I ATTACK YOU, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SIT THERE LIKE A FUCKING TREE AND NOT MOVE.

[Hiraki]

See? You're able to easily deflect the meaningless points in my post.

Congrats.

[Hiraki]

stop twisting this against me

I said what had to be said and I've already promised you a defence on the last page

what more do you want from me?

I want you to not come back until you finish the defense.

I want the defense to be good, and worth my time.

If it's not, I'm going to leave with my vote on you. Regardless of if the mod says that you're confirmed town. I'm going to miss that post, if it ever actually does happen, which won't.

[Hiraki]

before making my defence (which sadly cannot be anytime soon since I'm off to sleep now) would there be any actual point since you've just said you wouldn't even think i was town even if i was confirmed so. If I'm confirmed scum to you, Hikari, then what exactly is the point?

I SAID THAT IF YOU DIDN'T COME BACK WITH A FUCKING DEFENSE IN THE NEXT POST THAT I WOULD VOTE YOU, WHETHER OR NOT THE MOD CONFIRMED YOU AS TOWN.

THIS VOTE ISN'T MOVING NOW, AND I WILL BE COMPLETELY SURPRISED IF YOU'RE SCUM.

I put that clause there to see if you were willing to see what I was thinking, or if you were going to actually do it.

Seeing that you did it, I can confirm you as scum, because I know a townie would never do that.

[Hiraki]

I'M CRACKING UNDER PRESSURE.

THE KITTEN.

OKAY KITTEN. I GIVE YOU SECRET.

I SCUM. NO TELL ANYONE ELSE THOUGH.

[Hiraki]

@silverbullet999 & Hiraki - You guys are both town. Stop responding to each other.

HE'S INSTIGATING ME.

[Hiraki]

BECAUSE WE WERE ROCKING THAT SHIT LLD.

[Hiraki]

I'm going to agree with LLD here, but that confirms Number 58 Town.

I don't see why scum would do this, and if Number 58 is scum, I will be hatin'.

[Hiraki]

THE MOVE FOR TODAY IS TWISTEDSPOON.

ANIT NOTHING GONNA STOP THIS SHIT.

[Hiraki]

OH MY GOD.

SILVER SAID SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO SAY.

YO MOTHER NATURE. IT'S NOT 2012 YET.

[Hiraki]

lol i haven't cared about this game, just been lurkin'

lmao and now im gonna go v/la

roflcopter

[Hiraki]

SILVER. FURCLOW.

WRONG WAGON.

[Hiraki]

MOVE ON?

NO.

[Hiraki]

As in... end the day.

Oh.

Well. Fine.

I thought you meant switch wagons.

[Hiraki]

NO, SOMEONE HAMMER NOW.

TWISTEDSCUM HAS BEEN HANGING ON TOO LONG. NEEDS TO DIE NOW.

[Hiraki]

Oh, like you've done so much better.

To be fair, he only replaced a few days ago. You've been here the entire game. Fair point methinks.

[Hiraki]

That's great.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki vs. TS is town on town.

The real scum IMHO are those that jumped onto Hiraki's blind rage and used it as a tool to craft this wagon.

NO.

YOU'RE WRONG.

[Hiraki]

LARITO.

Vote: Nacho

I'd be willing to go for Nobody Special, but I like Nacho for the moment.

[Hiraki]

Twistedspoon - neutral, leaning town
Hiraki - town, leaning scum (yeah, I know it sounds weird)
Signer - town, leaning...I have no idea
silver - town
fur - neutral, leaning scum (yes, my suspicion of you has reduced)
confid - scum, leaning neutral
Nobody Special - I have no idea
bvoigt - town, leaning neutral
Number58 - pretty much town
Nacho - town
Pim - no idea
boberz - is he even playing?

Silver and Nacho are the big ones.

However, I'm not in support of a Silver lynch anymore. I've concluded he's just really fucking annoying, and can't make a decent argument.

NS is because he might have a meta of being town, but I'm not sure if he's living up to his meta at the moment. This isn't like him. AKA: I'm starting to doubt myself.

How do we finish this though? How do we conclude Nacho?

WE FINISH THIS THE EASY WAY. WITH A MOTHERFUCKING HUGE DEVELOPMENT FROM ME.

Apokalyptika

- (7) bvoigt, Hero764,

Hiraki

,

twistedspoon

, Nachomamma8, Nobody Special, Furcolow

Hiraki

- silverbullet999
Klazam -

Apokalyptika

THIS IS WHERE WE BASE OUR LYNCH FOR TODAY OFF OF.

Klazam is possible, but Kublai doesn't look bad. So, no. I'm going to say that Bviogot doesn't look like scum in this wagon. This leaves Nacho, NS, Furclow, and whoever hammered. I guess Hero would work, but there's more children.

silverbullet999 (4)- Lady Lambdadelta, bvoigt,

Twistedspoon

, Nobody Special

Twistedspoon

(3) - Kublai Khan, Hiraki, Toogeloo
Nobody Special (2) - Number58, Furcolow
Lady Lambdadelta - silverbullet999
Hero764 - Nachomamma

This wagon leads me to Kublaitown, Toognull still though.

Number58 was Pod's greatest FoS. However, I don't do those tells well.

The best part is the Nacho vote on Hero though. This confirms that Hero is most probably not scum with Nacho. Which makes me see Hero as a small possibility for today, but Nacho/NS for day.

BUT, THERE'S MORE.

Twistedspoon

(4) - Kublai Khan, Toogeloo,

Hiraki

, Nikanor
singersigner (2) - Nachomamma, Furcolow
silverbullet999 (2)- Lady Lambdadelta, Nobody Special
Hero764 (2) - singersigner,

Twistedspoon

Nobody Special - Number58
Hiraki - silverbullet999
Number58 - bvoigt

Yes. This makes me feel good about Toogtown, and Khantown.

Singersinger scum is possible, even with Nacho being on it.

However, I can't see Twistedscum buddying. The only point where I can see this being possible is that TSscum is flailing. Except, I can't see that being possible. TSscum wouldn't do that.

So, this concludes us with Nacho/NS/Number58/Singersinger.

If at least 2/4 of these people aren't scum, I will rage out of my mind.

We need to take a look back though, to get rid of some of these reads.

Meransiel

- (5) bvoigt,

Hiraki

, Klazam, Furcolow,

Twistedspoon

ConfidAnon - (2) singersigner, Number58
Furcolow - (2)

Meransiel

, silverbullet999
Number58 - (2) Nobody Special, ConfidAnon

Hiraki

- Pim
nachomamma -

DrBokChoy

Confirmed town voting here.

Nachomamma - (2)

DrBokChoy

,

Apokalyptika

Everything else was the same except for this.

LOOK AT THAT SHIT.

2 CONFIRMED TOWN VOTING NACHO.

SHIT MAN.

Nachomamma - (3) DrBokChoy, Apokalyptika, HackerHuck

Same as before, only Nacho needs to be mentioned here.

When Nacho flips scum, I want LLD dead next. Also, that shows DrBokChoy suspecting both NS, and Nacho.

THIS IS LOOKING LIKE HIRAKI IS RIGHT AGAIN MOTHERFUCKERS.

Apokalyptika

- (6) bvoigt, Hero764,

Hiraki

, Nachomamma8, Nobody Special, Furcolow

Hiraki

- (3) silverbullet999,

Apokalyptika

,

twistedspoon

Again, we're going to say that people that start the wagons are most likely town. Silverbullet gets this from this wagon.

The only people that I don't think are scum here, from my previous associations, are Furcolow, Nacho, and NS. Furcolow, if scum, can wait. NS/Nacho need to die now.

NOW DO IT MY CHILDREN.

I WILL LEAD YOU TO THE PROMISED LAND.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

Note also that Meran called Silver leaning scum.

I can't see scum doing that to scum D1.

She does it to Confid too. This is good.

P.E.

Oh. You're correct LLD.

I'll have to reassess this then. Nacho needs to go die first then.

[Hiraki]

omg, Hiraki, why wouldn't you be like this the entire game???

BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU PISSED ME OFF.

NOW LET'S FINISH THIS SHIT.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP:

Yeah so btw.

I REALLY like Nachoscum.

So let's do it. Get off NS.

[Hiraki]

HOW DO YOU NOT THINK SO?

YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT NS. I AM 99.9% MORE SURE ABOUT NACHOSCUM.

I'LL HAMMER NS IF IT GETS THAT FAR THOUGH.

[Hiraki]

[quote-"Singersinger"]By the way, Hiraki, what about "people like me" pissed you off so much that you didn't want to play the game?[/quote]Nothing. I just needed to rage for a second.

Y'know. On a random person.