Scummies 2011 Nominations

[ReaperCharlie]

I disagree with the andrew94 nomination.

-1

Just because you started at 'rock bottom zero', and improved to 'kinda normal', doesn't get you a Scummy award.

[ReaperCharlie]

Second

Andrius

[ReaperCharlie]

Also, Magna is being extremely modest in not nominating himself for that very game.

Nominate: MagnaofIllusion

for

Best Third Party Performance

in

Blackest Night Mafia

[ReaperCharlie]

The town didn't win because the game was broken. 5/5 scumlynches plus smart NA use and they still didn't win. How is that setup balanced?

Feel free to shut up about things about which you know relatively nothing. Smart NA use, my @$$. You weren't even in the game.

Plus, "lynching scum" is not enough when there are 10/25 scum in the game at the start. In this game, you had to lynch the right scum before it was too late. Unfortunately, nobody did anything against Magna except a redirect by Kast. After N5, it was too late. That is plenty of time.

Just because the game was different than what you are

used

to expecting, does not mean it's "broken".

That is just something you have heard other people say because they were butthurt about losing, so you are parroting what they say in hopes that you'll look like you know what you're talking about. Well let me inform you otherwise: "Broken" would be something like Werewolf Wisborg Asylum where Town ended up with a 9:1 endgame scenario and had 7 cleared townies. So again, kindly shut up about things about which you know nothing.

I won't Nth MoI's because he had so much of an inherent advantage that I can't tell whether he actually won due to any merit of his own. In fact, I'm pretty sure RC only made that nom because in any not broken setup, if a CR had done what MoI did it would be an achievement. But town had no idea to even look for a cult until one just HAPPENED to die.

Again you show your ignorance. Now not only were you not even IN the game, you didn't even READ it either. If you had even read half of Magna's performance (and had half a brain) you'd be agreeing with me without question. Magna had worse luck than anyone else in the game and was still able to pull things out with pure skill.

And again, if you have any questions you'd like to ask about anything, feel free to ask. Information is tech.

[ReaperCharlie]

For 2011:

Nom

Mastin

for

Best Contribution to MD/Wiki

for this.

Maybe premature as the thread hasn't really gotten a lot of replies yet. But it's already a great start towards changing sitewide cop-playing meta for the better.

[ReaperCharlie]

It's new to a lot of people. And it will start discussion on why some "goals" are better as a cop than others.

[ReaperCharlie]

The Town of Blackest Night Mafia

for

Best Performance Pro Town Team

- Successfully lynched scum players for five straight Days (Days 1 to 5) and vigged two more scum players. The Town completely destroyed the known original 9 scum roles by the Dawn of Day 6 and lost a 5 player endgame due to a Cult that was unknown at game's start.

1) Doesn't Town have to -win- to be considered?
2) With as many power roles flying around as there were, one would hope they COULD do this.

I read that game, town did win. Cults are flaming bullshit and that's one of the reasons why. Setup was absurdly unbalanced. I mean among other things, you don't declare it a semi-open setup with known alignments then fail to mention that there's an OMG extra alignment that was outside the setup...

With all due respect, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

You have obviously never played a Mr. Flay game, if you think cults are BS.
The setup was NOT absurdly unbalanced, as you say; swingy != unbalanced.
You have obviously NOT read the game, as you claim; as town did NOT win.

Next time, think before you hit the Submit button.

[ReaperCharlie]

You do realize you are quite annoying, right?

Also, here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2795833

Eat your heart out.

[ReaperCharlie]

You have obviously never played a Mr. Flay game, if you think cults are BS.

You mean Lost Boys? That was a truly horrible experience for the town players, and I think Mr. Flay admitted he'd have done things a little differently if he ran something like that again. (Although, town would have had a shot had they not BLOODY WELL LYNCHED ME DAY ONE and I'd been around long enough to point out that MoS' unlynchable claim basically made it obvious he was the CR, and that we couldn't trust the Frog Brothers. /stillbitter)

More speaking about Succession, from personal experience. Which was a complete success.

The setup was NOT absurdly unbalanced, as you say; swingy != unbalanced.

OK, what roles existed to help the town defeat/warn the town about the cult then?

Flips, duh. There was a Black Lantern flip on Day 3. That's when everyone shoulda been "OH SH*T", but they weren't.

They misplayed it. The way they played after that was NOT how you play a cult game. Plain and simple.

Also, if the cops were slightly more competent, they would have gleaned from the cop result PM some extra info (had they been paying attention). There were plenty of hints.

PLUS OH YEAH DID I MENTION IT WAS A

BLACKEST NIGHT

GAME?

You have obviously NOT read the game, as you claim; as town did NOT win.

I think his point is, town won whatever crap you come out with, because they lynched scum every single day and it is impossible for a town to do better than that. He's obviously not claiming that you as mod declared a town win.
If a town played at the hundredth percentile, they won, because to permit any other result is basically to state that it was impossible for town to win if certain things out of their control went against them. Oh wait.

It obviously wasn't impossible for town to do better than that. Town's night choices blew (except for Andrius). Town's day play sucked (except for Andrius). The whole point of including informational roles that can 'confirm' other people as town (i.e. a bunch of roles that only work on townies) makes it plainly obvious that

Yellow had a decent chance of winning. Orange very nearly won (and only didn't because of Andrius). Red had a terrible chance of winning because of the players, but would have had at least as good a chance as Yellow (if not a better one) otherwise. Town had upwards of TEN power roles in a 25 player game, including a MASON RECRUITER to combat the cult.

UNFORTUNATELY THE MASON RECRUITER GOT HIMSELF KILLED NIGHT 1 WHICH DIDN'T HELP MUCH.

As I say, terrible night action play by the town got them killed. The setup could just as easily have ended in a town win. I am not convinced that it would have been easy for Red and Yellow to win... those were probably the weak points of the setup. But Orange was fine.

Anyone who says otherwise is crying Boo Hoo Sauce and is pissed cause they lost. You don't see the winners crying about it. Because they know how f*cking hard they worked to win. Case in point, MagnaofIllusion.

Next time, think before you hit the Submit button.

Next time, think before you create a ridiculously bastard setup. Oh, and gain at least the slightest modicum of f***ing humility. No-one thinks less of you because you made a mistake in writing a setup: your inability to admit there was anything wrong with said setup, however, is causing a lot of us to think you're a douche. As long as you won't accept your mistake, you will be incapable of learning from it, and that makes me incredibly wary about ever playing in an RC mod game.

Again: Boo friggin hoo. Cry me a river. Never played in a bastard setup before?

What's the point of being a bastard if you

pre-warn

the players you're being a bastard?

...

And I could care less if you ever play another game of mine. That was a dana-mod game, I was just the co-mod. I am defending the setup because I think it's legitimately misunderstood, but in all honesty, town's day play was ridiculously bad in most cases. They lynched scum 5 days out of 6 (seems insanely good, but there were 10/25 scum to start and that number went up each day... suddenly it doesn't seem so impressive).

Also, town did not come together and lynch who they were supposed to. The Black Lantern Cult Leader. Which led to their complete and utter demise. Sucks for them but they had a sh*tload of PRs. The Cop PMs specifically said "you have inspected X and you find that he/she is not RED, ORANGE, or YELLOW scum". Specifically implying that those are not the ONLY scum in the game!

...

Anyway.

[ReaperCharlie]

I've come around on Mastin's cop article. Apparently it was news to a lot of players and that's great.

Well how 'bout that, champ.

Kudos though for admitting you were wrong. *Respect points for Ythan just went up a bit.*

[ReaperCharlie]

I've come around on Mastin's cop article. Apparently it was news to a lot of players and that's great.

Well how 'bout that, champ.

Kudos though for admitting you were wrong. *Respect points for Ythan just went up a bit.*

I <3 hypocrisy.

I <3 14-year old trolls.

Now shut up and take out the trash like a good boy.

[ReaperCharlie]

mith is too much of a Joss Whedon fanboy.

Is it even

possible

to like Joss Whedon too much?

No. No, I think not.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok, take it somewhere else. It's been old for a while. It's now past stale.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate Crilly for Funniest Role Claim: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2806663

Its funny in context so read the page before it and the page with the claim.

No.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate THIS thread

by Vi for "

Professor Mafia

" (yeah yeah I know, again).

I think it should be a staple of evey Mafia player's reading diet.

A resounding

second

.

This should be required reading.

[ReaperCharlie]

It'll count although judges

will

look at the body of work (which is why if you linked to a couple of games it makes it easier really)

Or harder, depending on who you are. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Don't encourage him.

[ReaperCharlie]

Because we HAVE a lot of alts on this site. And usually it takes a while to 'get used to' the way we play Mafia here; when somebody catches right on, it usually means they either read up before playing, or they're an alt. I'll let you guess which actually happens more often...

Also, hardly anybody joins the site to play Mish-Mash, Large Themes, and Guys Part 2, in that order.

I find myself agreeing with this. It strikes me as odd. :X

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, I've been wondering that too. MeMe's was granted but all the rest have gotten forgotten.

[ReaperCharlie]

random question: when are the scummies' little plaque things usual added?

Usually a couple of months after the ceremony. I seem to be continuing JEEP's trend...

Need help making them?

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate the town of Open 299 - demonhybrids mafia game of fun amazingness, for real for Best Town Performance

, because holy shit.

The mafia didn't even do THAT bad of a job. They were just wrecked by night actions and quick thinking.

Two people were lynched Day 2?

Do not want.

[ReaperCharlie]

That's an interesting mechanic. What was the flavor reason for it?

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmm. mmk ty.

[ReaperCharlie]

You don't need to negative nom, if it's undeserving the judges will probably be able to see that.

shhhh, DH likes to be negative.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate Kison for Behind the Scenes

I dunno if all the upgrades he's making have been announced/found yet, but goddamn are there a lot of them.

Second

Thirded

and

fourthed

for great justice.

[ReaperCharlie]

Game has to end in 2011 for the 2011 Scummies. And I don't think they HAVE to win, since the IC-part is about the teaching role...

Oh dear... I'd better get on Andy's back then, to submit his pictures for EPYC..

[ReaperCharlie]

I agree with Baltar. Having actually judged scummies before, I had to deal with a barrel of work (that resulted in me taking a six month break from MS). Reading the nominations helps focus the judge on what to look for. The "negative nomination" is a fine line to walk, of course. Once it starts getting nasty, the point of the scummies is defeated. But as a devil's advocate kind of thing, I found people disagreeing with a nomination to be helpful as a judge.

Pfft. Judging's easy. I did it two years in a row and pretty much completed every award in less than a day.

Clearly you put a ton of thought into it.

Haylen is a good judge and did put a lot of thought into judging.

But Zor is right. Some awards take SOOOOOOO much reading. >.<

It's why I protested the Best IC award this year at the Scummies.

(you'll need to scroll down a bit yet to find it)

[ReaperCharlie]

EBWOP: I would also like to point out that this nomination is also strengthened by the perfect vigging he did in another open game for which a nomnination has already been logged.

Joined: March 31, 2011

Obvious alt is obvious.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate

Magua

for

Best Third Party Performance

for his absolutely flawless victory as

Day Serial Killer

in the game

Metropolis: Revisited

.

[ReaperCharlie]

#1326 and #1327 are funnier than #1325 itself. I love how he posts

just

like he talks in real life.

Fourth

regardless.

[ReaperCharlie]

HAHAHA. Nice, cow. NICE.

Third

[ReaperCharlie]

*spreads arms wide*

you magnificent bastard. lol

[ReaperCharlie]

Nobody nomainated Lord Gurgi for Professor Mafia for this thread yet?

Just came here to do that because I wasn't sure if it'd been done yet.

4th

[ReaperCharlie]

Heh. <3 Vi

That claim made me chuckle randomly for an extended period of time afterwards.

nth

, duh

[ReaperCharlie]

Nth'ing Amrum for Best New Player

. She is both well-considered, eloquent, polite and tough-as-nails.

Ah yes, good choice!

Nth

with enthusiasm!

Amrun is a wonderful new player.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ GreyICE: Even if you get it into the Scummies successfully, it is going to get beat out by more COMPETENT towns...

As much as I usually disagree with CSL, I am going to have to agree with this statement.

@CSL: Maybe if you once in your career played a game where you were competent town I'd have some faith in the idea that you know what a competent town looks like.

As much as I usually agree with GreyICE, this comment was uncalled for.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate the Werewolf Team of Mafia on Werewolf Island! (New York 129) for Best Mafia Performance

-Started with 3 players against 21 others
-Modkilled player on their team on Day 1
-Role outed on Day 1
-Up against another faction, town AND a bulletproof SK.

-Up against a competent playerlist

...and still won

without a scratch

. Some light suspicion and a slip that no one caught. That was ALL.

They basically bit, clawed and scratched their way through 21 people, 8 game Days, 122 PAGES and THREE MONTHS.

Sticken portions aside, I could still

Nth

this based on the long odds.

And I will.

Granted of course that the modkilled player doesn't get the award; only the other two.

[ReaperCharlie]

I would also like to nominate

ShadowGuru

for

Best Doctor

(it's New Award time!) for

Metropolis: Redemption

.

He (they, actually) stopped the Mafia kill

3 nights running

, resulting in a decisive town victory!

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, if we start doing that shit, we'll have to give out an award for every god damned role.

Shut up.

I think there should be a generic award for best use of a power role.

This'd work too.

[ReaperCharlie]

RC, if we start doing that shit, we'll have to give out an award for every god damned role.

This.

Quiet, you! Even Ythan agrees!

Being talked about.

nth

, obv! <3

[ReaperCharlie]

We would be an excellent team at pretty much everything if we put our heads together and stop bickering.

We should mate.

[ReaperCharlie]

DATE! I meant... DATE.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate TGGC for Professor Mafia

2nd.

This tool, while unpolished, could be very useful.

---

Also, I am gonna

Nominate SleepyKrew

for not only

Best Newbie

*, but also for

Most Cunning Manipulation

**, for his surprising upset win in the game Newbie 1098: Trouble in Trieste, which was widely considered to be a locked-in win for town by anyone privy to players' alignments.

Replaced in D1, dealt with his predecessors' stigma expertly, without ever garnering more than one vote on him.
His only partner was lynched on Day 1, leaving him completely alone for the entirety of the game.
He was able to outsmart the likes of players that have been around for years (Faraday, Kublai Khan, xRECKx, dramonic).
Perhaps most importantly, his join date is AFTER the game's start date. i.e. He was a raw, raw newbie.

*The above nomination of Best Newbie is dependent on whether April 27 2011 was actually his join date.
**The above nomination of Most Cunning Manipulation stands on its on, whenever he actually joined the site.

[ReaperCharlie]

Oh, nvm then. Darn you, SleepyKrew. I thought you were all ballin' an' shiznit.

Still, good game though.

[ReaperCharlie]

Having your house set on fire maliciously is CLEARLY not a good reason to replace out of a game.

Just so you know.

[ReaperCharlie]

Fourth!

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate HamboBlank for Best Newbie

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate HamboBlank for Best Newbie

What's with these guys and not giving any sort of context?

You realize that only damages the nominee's chances, right?

It's a joke. He doesn't play Mafia here.

He only plays Halo with the

Unicorns

. <3

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate StrangerCoug for Best MishMash User.

Why wasn't this done before?
He basically mods half the games in there, and then plays in a ton that he doesn't run.

Because Mish-Mash has nothing to do with Mafia?? Its actually been proposed before... one year, I think the Mish-Mash crowd just made their own award (the Mashies, maybe?)

Flay, it's an award on the OP, I'm not making it up.

i can't breathe...

lollll

[ReaperCharlie]

^ You serious? I troll all the time, and I got nominated for 5 scummies last year.

[ReaperCharlie]

No, of course not. They were for admirable, excellent, honest, trustworthy, skillful things.

<3

[ReaperCharlie]

soooo... this?

Spoiler:

Also, open this in a month:

Spoiler:

Nominate

A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue

(by Wraith) for

Best Flavor Text

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate Kublai Khan for Best Contribution to Discussion/Wiki for this:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18331

[ReaperCharlie]

Most Outstanding New Player

should have joined the site no earlier than ~Oct. 2009

Shouldn't this say 2010?

shhh I was hoping to win best newbie on this account!

[ReaperCharlie]

Any vengeful townie who didn't shoot conf-scum should be ashamed of himself.

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate

A Gentleman's Game of Guile, Subterfuge, and Intrigue

(by

Wraith

)

for

Best Flavor Text

.

[ReaperCharlie]

Any vengeful townie who didn't shoot conf-scum should be ashamed of himself.

In the case of the game/circumstance, the Vengeful took the right shot. It was just unfortunate that it hit town.

No. What crack are you on


Leaving conf-scum alive and shooting a townie instead is not "the right shot".

*extended vocal expression of mirth, up to and including turning about on the carpet repeatedly*

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate Kublai Khan for Best Contribution to Discussion/Wiki for this:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18331

Amended to

Nominate Kublai Khan (

and

all contributing parties)

for

Best Contribution to Discussion/Wiki

for

Khan's Wiki Project

, at Vi's request.

[ReaperCharlie]

Idk (shrug) It's just an extension of my earlier one, but to include everyone working on it.

[ReaperCharlie]

:I agree with xRECKONERx:

[ReaperCharlie]

yeah but yosarian is a terrible scumhunter

and vp baltar is always scum

[ReaperCharlie]

Nominate

the scum team from Brave and the Beautiful 2

for

Best Scum Performance

.

They really played an outstanding game, against a buttload of town power, and a cunning SK.

[ReaperCharlie]

you guys are hatin

also, lady lambda is obv butthurt