Battle for Olympus - Game Over!

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VOTE: Iecerint

You posted before me.

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Deicide is a cool word.

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Snow_Bunny and quadz are town
Gandalf and Chronopie are scum

No read on Iece

You're welcome.

Your scumdar is going faulty. TERRIBLE THINGS ARE HAPPENING

Mod: Were scum decided according to their surveys? Or were scum randomly decided, and then specific roles determined by the survey? Also, are we allowed to claim our answers to the survey?

This could be important.

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We haven't played together in a while, have we quadz?

This game amuses me for some reason. It's kind of chaotic.

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Oh, I'm not suggesting that we claim them NOW. I'm just saying we could require people to post their survey when they claim. At the very least, it would force scum to do some research before they fakeclaimed if they weren't familiar with flavor.

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@MOI: No. I DO know that my role is in accord with the answers that I gave, and we could potentially catch unknowledgable scum by making people claim their survey when they claim their role. I don't see any downside other than it would make it harder for town to make gambits.

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First example that comes to mind? Kronos. Hades was not hated by the other gods in actual mythology, to my knowledge.

Yeah, Hades hated the other gods, but they didn't have anything particular against him.

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To be fair, scum with L-1 restriction is rather stupid, because if they make it to 3 person lylo it's an autolose once they crossvote with someone, so it's seen as unfair.

And if a hated townie makes it to LyLo and they have to crossvote, then town autoloses. Get over it. It's how they work.

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@MOI: No. I DO know that my role is in accord with the answers that I gave, and we could potentially catch unknowledgable scum by making people claim their survey when they claim their role. I don't see any downside other than it would make it harder for town to make gambits.

My role is in accord with the answers I gave. My powers, however, are only loosely related to my name, and basically could have been justified on almost anyone for almost any reason.

If that trend follows, then there might not be a huge amount of risk in "Name" claiming. And it forces the scum to lie or use up whatever fake claims they have been given, which is something. Potential downside is if (1) there are scum roles that get advantaged by knowing someone's role-name (2) possibility that the bigger names have the best powers and also then become high profile targets (3) if all the scum have prefect safe claims, we've not actually accomplished much.

My role is def. connected to my name.

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I would not be surprised, and would expect, the Mod to give the scum at least some safe claims. What's more up in the air is whether he'd give them

all

safe claims. Seems like most of the time I see this, the Mod has given the scum 2-3 "safe-claims" and the others end up having to fend for themselves.

If anyone knows the ways these particular mods have handled this issus in the past that might answer the question right there.

Andrius AND dana both give out fakeclaims to all the scum.

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Unvote
VOTE: SD

LOOPDEBLOOP

And SD, this "plumtell" is DEFINITELY valid. I've done it before. It's a common scum strategy.

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WHAT TIME IS IT? CLAIMTIME

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Scum got fakeclaims. The prominence of his claim is irrelevant.

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color code: color=#3CB371

Woh, that's close to role PM quoting there.

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Scum got fakeclaims. The prominence of his claim is irrelevant.

The most prominent gods are more likely in the game and thus not scum fake claims...

Not if the mods have a brain.......

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Does anyone think it might be significant that we have two dead statuses?

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Slain but Not Forgotten: (Dead*)

Spoiler:

n/a

Forgotten by The Mortals: (Dead*)

Spoiler:

DeathNote, Nike, Greek Goddess of Victory, Slain PreGame!

Faraday, Cerberus, Greek Guardian of The Underworld, Slain PreGame!

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Poseidon is not just prominent - he's one of the top three gods. Zeus, Poseidon and Hades are basically brothers and in a sort of class above the rest of the gods - when the world was divided in three, they each got one part of it to rule (why Hades is so pissed - he got the shaft).

Which is exactly why at LEAST one of them is probably a fakeclaim.

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VOTE: Diddin

I trust AGar for the most part.

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I'm town this time chess, sorry.

Posts like the last one remind me why I try to stay out of games with people who play for the sole purpose of making people angry.

Lol this post is obv from scum.

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unvote Vote: AurorusVox

With a bit of skimming I found a scummier read than Chess. Aurorus has been contributing little to no original content. He's simply restating what's been said a few times already.

I cannot defend myself from someone who is voting me for no apparent reason. I have already addressed the main points against me.

O HAI EVERYBODY I JUST REALIZED MY SCUMREAD WAS PRACTICALLY CONF. TOWN AND HERES MY NEW BULLSHIT

Chess: Is your CC like in [redacted]?

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- Gandalf seems townie to me right now and that actually makes me suspicious since he's seemed scummy to me in the games I played with him where he was town.

LOL TOO TOWN TO BE TOWN

I get what you're saying, but it's still funny.

Gandalf’s 223 to 224 makes my head hurt. In 223 he continues to push the concept that one of the Big Three are a fake-claim which has been the hallmark of his ‘don’t buy SD’s claim’ commentary. In 224 he says he trusts AGar … who already cleared SD.

I still believe that the mods are smart enough to put one of the big three as a fakeclaim. Or at LEAST that they COULD have. However, I don't see why AGar would make up that particular lie.

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Crap, forgot to unvote.

VOTE: Diddin

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Hmmmm...... I like all three leading wagons right now.

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Unvote
VOTE: Diddin

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Axelrod: That is unimportant at this point in time.

Unimportant how? Seems like that would be one of the more important things we could get out in the open.

Maybe I'm missing something. Can you say what reason is there for you (or anyone) who knows that a particular role is in the game, not to say? I don't see how that negatively impacts the person who says. If they subsequently get killed, at least that information would be out there and confirmed at that point. It's almost like a Cop result (baring shenanigans of some kind).

Yes, and do cops automatically claim D2 as soon as they get an innocent? No.

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Axel, you literally refused to take ONE solid stance in your list. NEW WAGON

VOTE: Axelrod

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*ahem*

UNVOTE
VOTE: Axelrod

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Ummm... except for the part where he, ya know, voted?

Ok. Thought overnight about BS. I don't think she's scummy, I just think she's playing poorly, and is pretty clearly our VI right now.

I am always for a D1 VI lynch. I think it removes anti-town players from the game before they can do any real harm, keeping distractions to a minimum in later days, and not having her around in LYLO / near-LYLO is definitely ideal, especially since MoI's claim requires us to lynch / vig him sometime around then anyway. With that in mind:

VOTE: Baby Spice

But even in the list he only calls her "scummish", so he can back out of it later. Also, now that SD is no longer confirmed, I'm torn between Axel and him.

WHAT TO DO WHAT TO DO

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@SD: No, he could have done it because he realized he made a mistake in confirming all Greeks as town. But thanks for literally announcing that you were scum.

VOTE: SD

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(Gandalf, making a mistake is kind of the definition of mod error.)

What I'm saying is that there was still a possibility he was town. His post basically said that they had just confirmed him as scum, only he tried to make it sound like he was town without actually looking at it from a town perspective first.

And yeah, Poseidon is a bitch.

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Why do you say he can't be mafia?

And can you show me some examples of you doing this in other games, Axel?

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Are you referring to Inventor or SitMOA?

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Just noticed that your wiki doesn't have links. Have you ever played with any of the other players in this game that they could vouch for you?

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I have a wiki?

Talking to Axel.

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Hey, Gand, after ul2fr you better stop trying being smart because you aren't.
I don't care if you consieder me potential SK or whatever you please BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE GODDAMN BRAINS TO REALIZE THAT I AM A DEFINITE NON LYNCH TODAY AND YOU BETTER PARK YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE ELSE!

If I where a Poseidon SK, do you really think I wouldn't have asked the mod to correct the roles before claiming? Do you really think I would have willingly maneuvered myself into a situation where my claim looks like rubbish?

First: Why? SK lynches D1 are delicious. Takes out a kill immediately. Second: No, I don't think you would have? Why would you? You have no motivation to do so. Three: How did you willingly maneuver yourself here? You claimed Poseidon JK, which was a believable claim. After that, you had no part. Fourth: You're getting oddly jumpy over one vote. Worried that the wagon will stick and you'll lose?

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Then find a fucking SK to lynch, but stop trying to be smart on stupid mod errors.
If I was Poseidon SK I'd have known that the game rules where incorrect. Do you really think I would have hoped that Charonmod would never realize it (especially with me claiming) and never correct it?
And I am not getting "jumpy". This is just my pissed off self that's waiting for you to grow some brainlike structure and realize that a potential me SK is toast anyway and thus not an urgent lynch.

So why do you care? If I changed my vote, it wouldn't be on the wagon you want anyways. And I'm the only vote on you. In fact, the fact that I'm voting for you means I'm not voting for diddin, which makes it more likely that BS will be lynched. So why do you care? Flail more.

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Hey, Gand, after ul2fr you better stop trying being smart because you aren't.
I don't care if you consieder me potential SK or whatever you please BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE THE GODDAMN BRAINS TO REALIZE THAT I AM A DEFINITE NON LYNCH TODAY AND YOU BETTER PARK YOUR VOTE SOMEWHERE ELSE!

this is so town

CHESS: SD ISNT US

HE DOESNT GO CAPS AND START SWEARING FOR NO REASON

@SD: I don't know. But you would clearly prefer one on BS, right?

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are you high? please be sober while playing mafia. you know the reason why i trashtalk the shit outa you.

I've only smoked pot three times in my life, and I've never drank. Don't really understand why you would do that shit unless you were drinking/smoking WITH somebody. That said, no I don't. Is there any particular reason?

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you're missing out man

I think doing it on your own is an easy path to dependence.

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UNVOTE
VOTE: SD

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He did. And @SD: You still haven't answered my question.

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O, I found it...

What makes you think I am against a Diddin lynch btw?

Oh... not. That was

mine

. Oops.

Already answered that a long time ago.

are you high? please be sober while playing mafia. you know the reason why i trashtalk the shit outa you.

That said, no I don't. Is there any particular reason?

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@SD: I don't know. But you would clearly prefer one on BS, right?

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And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

Well, I don't know. I'm simply saying that that wasn't the point of my post.

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And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

Well, I don't know. I'm simply saying that that wasn't the point of my post.

And that it's clear that you're making up random bullshit to get me to shift away. And guess what, it's not going to work.

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It's a strong belief of mine that lynching anti-town players / VIs on D1 (and, depending on gamesize, maybe D2) is good for town, more or less every time.

Can you show us some meta of where else you do this? Because right now it just looks like you're looking for an excuse not to take a stance on SD's alignment.

And you call that an answer? That's dodgy as hell.

Well, I don't know. I'm simply saying that that wasn't the point of my post.

And that it's clear that you're making up random bullshit to get me to shift away. And guess what, it's not going to work.

I think I already said this, but I can again: Leave being smart to those who are. BUt about the "shift away" YOU BETTER DO!

This post is so manufactured it's not even funny.

I'd never crush independent thinkers. Independend thinkers can't be crushed. That was adressed to those wannabes who are still voting for me.
I'll provide someting useful as soon as I have something useful to bring up. if you can convince certain people to look for scum somewhere else I'll be pleased to cease the junkspeak in the meantime.

So you're advocating that everyone but a few players in the game should follow those few players? Yeah, nice try.

A survivor wouldn't be a danger, definitely not wortha lynch, right? But it's not self obsession. It's a secret plan that which is desperately dedicated to keeping me alive until D2 and stop people looking in the wrong direction which is seems the most important step to fulfil my town wincon right now.

UM

IF I FAKECLAIMED SURVIVOR YOU WOULDNT LYNCH ME RITE?

Eh. If you want to leave the SK alive and hope he crosskills, good for you. But right now I'm thinking we can get rid of an extra townie death every night if we just lynch one player.

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Just thought: What if there is ONE mafia faction that is non-Greek, and maybe another composed of Greek "traitor gods"?

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The "mafia" faction is compromised of a foreign Gods and/or Goddesses. All players are either Gods or Goddesses.

I don't see why this contradicts that. I've already seen this. Try again. Or we can just ask the mods.

Is this rule confirmation that there is only one mafia faction? If not, would ALL the mafia factions be composed of foreign Gods/Goddesses? Here defining "mafia" as an anti-town faction with more than one member.

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Eh, well that's really enough.

PEDIT: Chess isn't a VI. he's stubborn at times, and gets sidetracked, but longterm he has pretty good reads.

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I think colors are specific to character.

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"Hi, I'm diddin, and I've been tunneling Chess all game even though he's actually been useful and playing decently."

Yeah, if SD hadn't claimed scum when he was whining at the mods I'd totes be voting for diddin.

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@Charon: And thanks for really seriously invoke the impression that you put this up because my clain would have faultily confirmed. You know, if some wannabe smartasses lynch me now, that's way too close to a mod error.

No, this is basically a scumclaim.

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No, it's basically complaining about a mod error that appears to confirm him as not town.

Only if he WERE town, he would have noticed that it doesn't, at all.

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yeah he would have

stop being scum gandalf please?

NO U

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Gandalf’s 342

makes me face-palm. Gandalf are you seriously this lost in a game without Fate that this is going to be the result?

No, fate actually fucks up my reads. I do MUCH better without him, and this is something I actually have empirical evidence of.

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Gandalf’s 342

makes me face-palm. Gandalf are you seriously this lost in a game without Fate that this is going to be the result?

No, fate actually fucks up my reads. I do MUCH better without him, and this is something I actually have empirical evidence of.

I know this because in a recent game, I compiled a list of all the games where I rocked face: The only ones Fate was in were the ones where even though i caught scum, i couldn't get them lynched.

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@MoI: I don't care what logic says. I'm looking at SD's actions, and they don't make sense from the perspective of a town role. They're EXACTLY what I would expect from third party. Also, in a vanillaless game, fakeclaiming JK has little risk. I AM SAYING: TOMORROW, IF WE DO NOT LYNCH SD, AN EXTRA TOWNIE DIES

THATS AN EXTRA LYNCH EVERY TWO DAYS

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Eh. i'm nearly certain he's not a survivor due to his "LOL if i CLAIMED SURVIVOR YOU WOULDNT LYnCH ME RITE?", so he's at least anti-town. And my point is that I'm tired of losing games because people are figuring out shit logically instead of following their gut.

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gandalf what part of this game is vanillaless and he has no buddies so he'll be a pretty obviously confirmed JKer pretty soon if he is one


isn't
getting
through

LOL

The fact that it's vanillaless means he can get away with NOT being confirmed. There are a million possible explanations as to why his action might have failed.

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uh no

I see no reason for any pro-town role to target his ass at night, so no, I expect roleblocked people tomorrow.

And the mafia won't target him whyyyyyyyyyy?

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If they really want to waste a night action to keep him unconfirmed, they can go for it.

It means more town actions free to hit mafia, so ok then

I'm not saying mafia WILL. I'm saying he'll SAY they did.

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@MoI-re:AGar: I think he means that the same info that tells him that Poseidon is in the game also strongly implies that he is town/not SK.

Ah well.

Unvote
VOTE: Diddin

[gandalf5166]

@MoI: LOTR Mafia. Advance Wars Mafia that recently ended(although technically we won/drew by accident).

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@MoI: LOTR Mafia. Advance Wars Mafia that recently ended(although technically we won/drew by accident).

LOTR Mafia was not lost due to 'logic'. Fate's play was anything but logical. LOTR was lost by the combination of incomplete information and ego.

Any other examples?

Exactly. Town ALWAYS has incomplete info. WHICH IS WHY USING LOGIC TO TRY TO WIN THE GAME IS RETARDED

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Uh, yes it is. Logic only produces accurate output if it has accurate input. Gut instinct is based purely on yourself, and you know your motives are pure. So yes, I do think that logic in a non-open setup is useless.

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GOD SD

ME NOT VOTING FOR YOU IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO START POSTING USELESS BULLSHIT AGAIN

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I SMELL SCUM

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L-2 if I've counted right ..

Claim time !!

L-2 = claim time?

Since when?

Barely any difference between L-2 and L-1 in a large game on D1 .. Saves time and speeds up things ..

Because outing a PR unnecessarily is totally worth those two things......... You have 20 minutes to find somewhere where you've expressed this opinion before as town, or I'm pretty sure we've found a new wagon.

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Eh. I think she's an okay wagon. I'm not particularly convinced she'll flip scum, but she's going to be lynched eventually.

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I'd rather we lynched SD or diddin though.

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Also, BS's lynch is not "inevitable". there are competing wagons, which means that not everybody agrees with it.

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Also, BS's lynch is not "inevitable". there are competing wagons, which means that not everybody agrees with it.

I didn't say BS lynch was inevitable .. I think L-1 or BS claiming is inevitable ..

And please stop pushing a SK-only-possibility-SD lynch ..

The fact that he can only be scum if he's the SK doesn't mean he's not scum. What you guys are doing is essentially AtP.

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The number of possible SK slots are smaller than the number of mafia slots. The chance of correctly identifying an SK is very small.

And any person we wagon has a statistically larger chance of being town than scum. Does that mean we should stop wagonning people? you DO understand what AtP IS, right?

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Isn't there some ridiculous tell where early signs of SK hunting probably lead to an SK?

Not sure about that. My understanding is present thinking runs along the following lines – early game SK hunting as opposed to Mafia hunting is more likely to come from Mafia than Town. Something about not wanting to be worried about a wild-card killing your team off.

This is true. ITS ALSO TRUE THAT IF WE LYNCH AN SK WE GET RID OF ONE KILL PER NIGHT

SOMETHING THAT WOULD USUALLY TAKE 3-4 CORRECT LYNCHES

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Isn't there some ridiculous tell where early signs of SK hunting probably lead to an SK?

Not sure about that. My understanding is present thinking runs along the following lines – early game SK hunting as opposed to Mafia hunting is more likely to come from Mafia than Town. Something about not wanting to be worried about a wild-card killing your team off.

This is true. ITS ALSO TRUE THAT IF WE LYNCH AN SK WE GET RID OF ONE KILL PER NIGHT

SOMETHING THAT WOULD USUALLY TAKE 3-4 CORRECT LYNCHES

HOW DO YOU KNOW HE'S SK?

HOW ARE YOU SO SURE?

BECAUSE

HIS ACTIONS MAKE NO SENSE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ANYONE WHO CAN STILL WIN AFTER THEY DIE

AND HIS "HURR DURR WHAT IF I CALIMED SURVIVOR" CONFIRMS THAT THATS NOT IT

SO HES EITHER SK OR SOME OTHER WEIRD THIRD PARTY THAT WORKS WEIRD

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Gandalf, for the last time: I am not an an SK. And your damn insistence on that paranoia does not make half the sense you want it to. Blind setup speculations before even N1 has happened are as useful as a wiper on a submarine.
And even if you really believe that stuff you're excreting all the time you should have realized that a me lynch is out of question and that there are actual scum in this game that you should care for.

You are fucking scum of some fucking type. There is no way that your posts are coming from town. I don't give a shit if there's only one kill tonight. Maybe you're a lyncher, or you have some mechanic related goal(Gollum, anybody?), but you ARE FUCKING SCUM.

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I think BS looks pretty good unless the fakeclaims in this game come in the form of "full" PM fakeclaims. That, or BS is a clever enough scum that I'd be willing to let her live a few days on principle.

Do we know scum daytalk status? That would be a significant interfering factor.

Oh god this is horrible and from BS's claim I'm actually inclined to say scum. If BS flips scum diddin is town.

VOTE: BS

And I smell BUDDIES in the unvotes.

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Hider doesn't fit with Iris terribly well, but the rainbow does, and I don't feel like BS is the type to come up with that all on her lonesome.

In Might of Mordor, Andy provided the scum with fakeclaims with powers, but I don't know if he provided flavor.

He did both lol. AND YES SHES SMART ENOUGH TO COME UP WITH THAT. ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS GOOGLE FUCKING IRIS GREEK GODDESS AND SHE WOULD KNOW SHE WAS THE GODDESS OF RAINBOWS

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Yeah, but I don't think she would have thought to bother telling us about the color.

Okay, the last claim, it was the FIRST THING ASKED. She's the goddess of rainbows. I don't see why she WOULDNT claim something THAT insignificant.

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Yeah, but I don't think she would have thought to bother telling us about the color.

Okay, the last claim, it was the FIRST THING ASKED. She's the goddess of rainbows. I don't see why she WOULDNT claim something THAT insignificant.

Ummm... because it is, as you say, insignificant.

But, as I said, EVERYONES MAKING A BIG DEAL ABOUT IT FOR SOME REASON

I mean, SD claimed his color and like three people jumped off him all of a sudden.
AND NOW EVERYBODY IS JUMPING OFF BS BECAUSE SHE CLAIMED HERS
SCUM DEFINITELY HAVE MOTIVATION TO CLAIM COLOR
TELL ME WHY TOWN WOULD JUST THROW THAT IN THERE HUH?

I think the claim is genuine exactly for the reason that hider really doesn't fit the rainbow.
- If it's a mod given fakeclaim, then since they gave multicolored role name bit, I don't see why they would shaft a good fakeclaim by giving a role that doesn't fit
- If it is something scum came up with, I'd expect that the team which came up with the multicolor bit could do much better than hider

FUCKING NO

SHE CLAIMED THE GODDESS OF RAINBOWS

IT WOULD NOT TAKE A SCUMTEAM WITH ANY KIND OF BRAIN TO FIGURE OUT THAT THE COLORS WOULD BE RAINBOW

IT WOULD TAKE TWO BRAIN CELLS SHUFFLING BACK AND FORTH FIVE MINUTES MAX

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Axel, you haven't played mafia on this site recently, have you?

BS has basically claimed scum with 'LOL IM A HIDER THAT DOESNT DIE BEHIND SCUM" and "NO I WONT GIVE FLAVOR CAUSE I DONT WANNA"

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Well, recently it's become pretty standard to include stuff like color of rolename and flavor text in claims, and so it's also become pretty standard for mods to provide those things in varying degrees. Andy and dana both have histories of doing it to a very great degree.

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OKAY EVERYBODY

IGNORE AXELROD NOW

ITS CLEAR HES A BUDDY

WE CAN JUST PRAISE ME FOR CATCHING HIM EARLIER AND MOVE ON

[gandalf5166]

OKAY EVERYBODY

IGNORE AXELROD NOW

ITS CLEAR HES A BUDDY

WE CAN JUST PRAISE ME FOR CATCHING HIM EARLIER AND MOVE ON

So, for future reference, what was it you believed again?

Sucky, but elaborate, mod-provided false claim?

Or she's scum but lying about the false claim they actually gave her?

Or, this was not a mod created false claim at all, and she's making everything up herself?

The first two. Not that hard.

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@MOD: Can we get a current vote count? Or at least tell me if BS is still the leading wagon?

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DAMMIT NOT EVEN CLOSE

I had something I wanted to do....... Can we rewagon BS? She just needs to become the leading wagon again.

Unvote
VOTE BS

Apparently I forgot to unvote last time, so there. Right now diddin has 6 votes and BS has four. Depending on the answer I get back from the mods, it might be even better if diddin and BS are tied. And maybe even get Iec up to the same number.

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Actually, the more I think about it, the less I think that the tie thing is going to work. Just get BS up to more votes than diddin.

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@Gand: And why exactly is BS so high on your lynch list right now?

She isn't. I just need to test something. Trust me?

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Actually, that's a lie. She is, because she's scum. But there ARE other people who could get lynched today that are better targets short term. It's just that I can do something that SHOULD verify her alignment if we make her the leading wagon real quick. Unfortunately, if I tell you what it is, it defeats the purpose. I'll be able to tell you what I did tomorrow. It should also confirm me as town, coincidentally.

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Yeah, the tie thing isn't going to work. It'll just work on the first person to reach the given number of votes.

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Everybody, remember that what's about to happen essentially confirms me as town(think LyLo). This is my superpower, so I won't be able to do it again. Good night everybody, and goodbye BS.

PS: I DO feel bad tricking you all into this, but she needed to die. And I never actually lied(after all, killing her DOES confirm her alignment >.>).

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If you guys want any more specific info, ask soon, because the mod should be locking the thread soon.

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I'm trying to determine whether:

A) You're scum
B) You're 3rd party
C) Shenanigans

And I think a nameclaim is the most low-risk way to get information that will help me to determine as much.

Name only, please.

@ Quadz -- Quiet.

If this is related to your role, you should know that your results last night were actually on Ranger >.>

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I'm trying to determine whether:

A) You're scum
B) You're 3rd party
C) Shenanigans

And I think a nameclaim is the most low-risk way to get information that will help me to determine as much.

Name only, please.

@ Quadz -- Quiet.

If this is related to your role, you should know that your results last night were actually on Ranger >.>

FACEPALM

Ranger is AGM >.>

And yeah, I did that.

so itt gandalf is a busdriver and has a scummy superpower?

I already used my superpower, and it CONFIRMED ME AS TOWN, so shut up.

I'm reading through the last nine pages now.

[gandalf5166]

So yeah, the results on the wrong person had nothing to do with your sanity, Iec. And I redirect.

My super is that I instantly end the day and the person with the most votes is lynched. So in LyLo, I could vote/use and instantly win.

[gandalf5166]

So yeah, the results on the wrong person had nothing to do with your sanity, Iec. And I redirect.

My super is that I instantly end the day and the person with the most votes is lynched. So in LyLo, I could vote/use and instantly win.

As scum, obv.

[gandalf5166]

Jesus makes absolutely zero flavor sense and Andrius loves flavor, so I would say it probably is random.

Nope. It's a game about gods and Jesus is a god. It just means you're not town(if the result is accurate). Also, Iec should investigate me tonight to check his sanity/see if his role is legit.

[gandalf5166]

Why did you redirect me? Why to AGM?

I thought you were scum(but under the radar just enough that if I were scum you would be doing the scumkill), and I thought that RotN(I made the redirect BEFORE they found a replacement) would make a good vigshot without being someone that a REAL vig would likely shoot(since if I redirected him to, say, diddin, I would come out the next day and announce that I had role info that said you were scum when really he had been killed by someone else).

BTW: Thanks to whoever did that thing last night. Although it sucks that I have no vote now :C

[gandalf5166]

And I still want an answer on the "Grace" question.

I think I might have received this. I didn't get any flavor with it though, so.

[gandalf5166]

@GAND: BEFORE I FORGET THIS. WTFWTFWTF!?!?!? YOU BETTER JUSTIFY YOUR FAIL SELF IMMEDIATELLY OR I'LL DO ANSYTHING TO MAKE YOU THE SECOND LYNCH OF THE DAY. A CLAIM WOULD BE APPRORIATE!

No thanks. I'm confirmed town, I'll be giving out info on my role as I see fit.

[gandalf5166]

@GAND: BEFORE I FORGET THIS. WTFWTFWTF!?!?!? YOU BETTER JUSTIFY YOUR FAIL SELF IMMEDIATELLY OR I'LL DO ANSYTHING TO MAKE YOU THE SECOND LYNCH OF THE DAY. A CLAIM WOULD BE APPRORIATE!

Oh, and FTR, later in the game when we've obviously lynched the entire mafia team, I'll just redirect you to this post to remind you why the game isn't over yet and why there's still a kill going off every night.

[gandalf5166]

Lol at AV's doc claim. Just tell me that it didn't work and nobody CC'd.....

[gandalf5166]

Everybody, remember that what's about to happen essentially confirms me as town(think LyLo).

NO IT F****** doesnt.

I so hate you right about now.

I am catching up.

Right, because giving scum the power to instantly lynch the leading wagon would be totally balanced.

[gandalf5166]

Dear AGM: you don't know shit


Lynch one is clear.
Lynch two not so much. I agree that chrono is a good candidate, but am not sold on it. I need to do some light reading and see if ooba has done anything to assuage my scum read on CMAR. This will hopefully happen tonight, but who knows. I have some RL issues that may prevent that from happening.

What do you mean, has ooba done anything?

[gandalf5166]

Bye bye, SB :/

Gandalf, was there one reason why you had to use your Super in secret and on BS?

No. But BS wasn't going to die(at least not for a while) if I didn't do something, and I was 100% sure she was scum. Obviously, I was wrong. Whatevs.

FTR, I think ooba makes an excellent #2 lynch, even if I can't vote to help.

[gandalf5166]

Is there a reason for SD to not say who he "jailed" last Night?

This would at least presumably be someone who didn't do any killing.

Dekes.

I know for a fact I wasn't jailed last night.

LOLOLOLOLOL WHO WAS RIGHT

[gandalf5166]

I want Gandalf to claim his exact superpower. Like, what it appeared to be was a 1-shot day-vig. that he could only be used on the vote leader and would then end the day.

Well, this is essentially how it functions..... But flavor advertises it as an end day, and oh the leading wagon dies than the leading wagon dies and oh the day ends thing.

[gandalf5166]

ohw ait nvm i had gandalf as scum until his lol i can half the lynch threshold thing

but then again i can stil see that as scum power >_>

No, I could have killed somebody with one vote on them if nobody else had any votes on them.

[gandalf5166]

But this is not a good scumgambit on Iece's part so I strongly disagree with AV shooting Iece

If AV is town, he needs to shoot Iece since AV/Iece cannot share same alignment with Iece's claim
If AV is scum, then using "Strategic Assault" on Iece is a waste since obviously Iece is telling the truth and is greek. He can shoot somebody else .. I'd suggest quadz .. (Chrono remains null-leaning town for me)

You're forgetting that this can be used as a cop investigation........ Is there any point to confirming Iec as town? And plus, if Iec IS lying, then shooting him is effectively a waste.

[gandalf5166]

HOW EXACTLY IS GANDALFS ABILITY CONFTOWN?

SCUM DAYVIG ANYONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?

It's two freekills essentially. Now only do I dayvig, I ALSO end the day letting my team kill. When's the last time you saw a scum dayvig, much less one that powerful?

[gandalf5166]

3 months ago maybe?

Where? And if the game was bastard or a marathon, it doesn't count.

[gandalf5166]

Well I'm not treating gandalf as conftown for taking his power and using it to lynch obvtown, tyvm.

Also, I've seen an Executioner role before which lowers threshold of lynch on one player to L/2 for the day.
SEEN
IT
AS
SCUM
ROLE


NEVER
SEEN
iT
AS
TOWN
ROLE

so I will be judging gandalf's alignment based on his play, since his BUSDRIVER+LOLQUICKHAMMER ability is in no fucking way confirmed town

Oh, this. I guess that the way I did it made it so that my ability could be seen as this. Oh well. You can bullshit all you want, you're still scum chess.

[gandalf5166]

offsite, normal game.

tell me the last time you've seen a TOWN version of your role, eh?

Offsite doesn't count for shit, and you know it.
A dayender? I don't remember, but I know I've seen them, and the role makes far more sense as town.

How is that not exactly your role?

Once again. My role can kill ANYONE so long as they have the most votes on them. There is no threshold they have to reach.

Scum

3. AurorousVox

16. quadz08
17. mothrax
18. LordChronos

12. AlmasterGM RangeroftheNorth

lolololol chesskid is scum with shit reads

but I have 3 consecutive people on the playerlist as scum lolololololololololol

How is the fact that three of his scumreads are next to each other on the playerlist relevant?

And AGM, non-town are nonGreek.

[gandalf5166]

[quote="chesskid3- really? really? What's the probability 3 consecutive players on the playerlist are all scum. fuck i'll be generous, 7 scum. PIck any scum. 6/10*5/19 lowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww you lose
[/quote]
AND YOU HAVE THREE SCUMSPECTS(NOTE: I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY SCUMSPECTS YOU HAVE, JUST ILLUSTRATING A POINT). WHATS THE PROBABILITY THAT ALL THREE ARE SCUM?

REALLY FUCKING LOW, RIGHT?

GUESS WHAT

ANY CONFIGURATION OF MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAS A LOW CHANCE OF BEING SCUM

ARENT YOU SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING MATH MAJOR?

exactly. it is actually a legitimate argument.

No, it isn't. By your explanation of chess's actions, he is actually accusing ooba of being town.

[quote="Moi]
Ok … I’d like you to point to the kill that comes from Poseidon.
[/quote]
Actually, turned to sand could be it, if the mods wanted to make a kill flavor that didn't give it away but still vaguely fit(which is how most of our roles seem to be justified.

And as for my role looking like it should be for scum, you're right. If not for the fact that I have extensive knowledge of Greek mythology and knew that my character was town, I probably would have assumed I was scum with an OP superpower.

@Gand: Tell me how Executioner/busdriver confirms you as tow in any way. Also tell me why you did not use your super on me, if you are even now still so darn sure that I should be lynched. And lastly explain why you don't want to full claim after you already claimed both your powers?

So we can prove Iec's ability.


DAMMIT I FORGOT

SD can't be SK, as much as I hate to say it. I'd rather not comment though, as it involves someone else's role.

Lynch2: chess

This is self-explanatory, really. We can lynch AGM IF Iec gets a correct result on me.

[gandalf5166]

Technically, it's possible that SD is SK if AV got protected last night. Which if chess really is protective, then that's entirely possible.

[gandalf5166]

- really? really? What's the probability 3 consecutive players on the playerlist are all scum. fuck i'll be generous, 7 scum. PIck any scum. 6/10*5/19 lowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww you lose

AND YOU HAVE THREE SCUMSPECTS(NOTE: I HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY SCUMSPECTS YOU HAVE, JUST ILLUSTRATING A POINT). WHATS THE PROBABILITY THAT ALL THREE ARE SCUM?

REALLY FUCKING LOW, RIGHT?

GUESS WHAT

ANY CONFIGURATION OF MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAS A LOW CHANCE OF BEING SCUM

ARENT YOU SUPPOSED TO BE A FUCKING MATH MAJOR?

exactly. it is actually a legitimate argument.

No, it isn't. By your explanation of chess's actions, he is actually accusing ooba of being town.

Ok … I’d like you to point to the kill that comes from Poseidon.

Actually, turned to sand could be it, if the mods wanted to make a kill flavor that didn't give it away but still vaguely fit(which is how most of our roles seem to be justified.

And as for my role looking like it should be for scum, you're right. If not for the fact that I have extensive knowledge of Greek mythology and knew that my character was town, I probably would have assumed I was scum with an OP superpower.

@Gand: Tell me how Executioner/busdriver confirms you as tow in any way. Also tell me why you did not use your super on me, if you are even now still so darn sure that I should be lynched. And lastly explain why you don't want to full claim after you already claimed both your powers?

So we can prove Iec's ability.


DAMMIT I FORGOT

SD can't be SK, as much as I hate to say it. I'd rather not comment though, as it involves someone else's role.

Lynch2: chess

This is self-explanatory, really. We can lynch AGM IF Iec gets a correct result on me.

[gandalf5166]

lolololololololo me target AV
lolololololol me protective
lololololol me block SD

hilarious

Hardly. For I never targeted AV.
Gandalf's skill seems more and more obscure... Now it also involves Dekes?

No, it doesn't. It involves ANOTHER player, and involves my role to a limited extent.


@chesskid: No, it doesn't actually. And if it did, it definitely wouldn't change our minds.

[gandalf5166]

I'm saying that it would be more useful to scum than town. I AM NOT saying that any sane mod would ever give it to scum.

@chess: Sure. That's the lottery. But this game has 20 players and probably 6 or 7 scum, not 100 players and 5 scum.

[gandalf5166]

And plus, that configuration is just as likely as the other. Now, if somebody, five minutes before the lotto numbers were revealed, was like "hey, I bet the numbers are XXXXX", and was right, then I would be suspicious. But no particulart configuration of numbers should make you suspicious.

PEDIT: What? I don't see the point in that post.

[gandalf5166]

That's like saying you should be suspicious if they ever come up as the numbers you picked. THEYRE JUST AS LIKELY TO COME UP AS 1 2 3 4 5 AS THEY ARE 9 13 43 15 39

[gandalf5166]

THATS NOT HOW BRAINS ARE WIRED

I'M NOT ARGUING STATISTICS EHRE
Im ARGUIGN HOW THE HUMAN BRAIN NOTICES PATTERNS JESUS FUCKING CHRIST IS NOBODY READING WHAT IM WRITING?

GREAT

SO HE NOTICED IT

WHY THE FUCK WOULD HE THEN CHANGE HIS READS BASED ON IT?

[gandalf5166]

BECAUSE THEY'RE WRONG AND IT SHOUDL HAVE BEEN FAIRLY OBVIOUS?

No? If I noticed that all my reads were next to each other on the playerlist, I might notice it. I would NOT then doubt the validity of my reads, much less decide that they were OBVIOUSLY WRONG and start over again.

[gandalf5166]

Now, if I was scum and I was MANUFACTURING a list, I might space out my reads as a natural part of the process.

[gandalf5166]

kk my scumreads are players 1-5
townread 6-10
nullreads 11-20

im obvtown now bye

Great. If those were my suspects then THE OTHER PLAYERS might doubt that. I wouldn't.

[gandalf5166]

Let's just ignore him and get to lynching. I would take the lead but I'm voteless today.

[gandalf5166]

lololol gandalf voteless too now
seems to BALANCE THE DOUBLE VOTER FROM CHRONOPIE SCUMUBDDIES MUCH?

Nope. Without my vote, the wagon yesterday wouldn't have had the most people. Try again. This is temporary, just for today. And there were benefits.

[gandalf5166]

oh yeah benefits like forcelynching obvtown?

you're a fuckign dumbass if you're town, you know that?

Ad hominem. Just cause I made a mistake once doesn't mean you're town just because I'm attacking you.

[gandalf5166]

it's not ad hominem to call you a fucking dumbass
it's ad truthinem

Being wrong about ONE person makes me a dumbass now?

[gandalf5166]

you fucking wasted your abiblity to lynch a goddamn friendly neighbor

Fucking hardly.

[gandalf5166]

I suddenly remember why I wanted both of {Gand,Chesa} policy lynched...
I will comromise on either of them, too...

God, you're bad at this, aren't you?

[gandalf5166]

-|Attention|-

The fervor of the discussion roared as assorted Gods and Goddesses heckled over the day's occurances. In a rare moment of silence, an unseen speaker's voice reaches your ears...

" "Messenger makes a lot of sense for Iris. As opposed to rainbow-hider...
Baby, can you confirm yourself via your special power?"

One shot super power, yes."

herpity derp derp

That hardly confirmed her.

[gandalf5166]

Babyspice acted bizarrely, but Gand just plain scummy.

How can you look at me and chess's argument and derive that I'm the scum? And we're pretty obviously not both scum, at least not together.

[gandalf5166]

@Gand: If you happened to have answered this somewhere in between your argy-bargy with Chess, please point it out, else please answer it now:
You were (and somehow are still) very focussed on me being scum/SK, but then you suddenly decided all for yourself that

Baby

desperately needed to die, so desperately that you even considered it a good choice to trick town into supporting you. Why didn't you use your execute on me or on Baby when the waggon was still a real waggon?

I was hesitant to use it on people that still had a chance of being lynched.

[gandalf5166]

yeah so using it on obvtown = good

Right, because BS was showing ALL the classic signs of town, like selfvoting, withholding irrelevant info, and making excuses for her play.... Wait, never mind. I'm copying from the wrong list of tells.

[gandalf5166]

So you prefered a lynch town did

not

want over any lynch town wanted O_o

Yes...... Because using it on somebody town wanted to lynch would be a waste of my power.

And BS was NOT confirmed. In any sense of the word. I've seen far more scum neighborizers than town.

[gandalf5166]

And what she did was NOT equivalent to a friendly neighbor in any sense.

[gandalf5166]

For an example of a game with a scum that could send messages whenever they wanted, see Alphabet mafia, Chronopie's role.

[gandalf5166]

DRAM GAME

VS.
ANDRIUS GAME


BASTARD MOD

VS.

NON

THANKS FOR PLAYING

This dram game was in fact not bastard. You're right in that it did have weird roles, but so does this game.

[gandalf5166]

@Gandalf

– I’m suspect of your answer to Shadow Dancer given you offered power use. Why didn’t you redirect ShadowDancer to Iec given you suspected SD of being a Serial Killer and Iec of being scum? Your choice of redirecting Iec to Ranger / AGM makes little sense.

I can't answer this question, as once again, it involves someone else's role.

[gandalf5166]

I can't answer this question, as once again, it involves someone else's role.

Bzzzt, wrong answer. I’m directly asking you why you didn’t use YOUR role which you have claimed in a manner consistent with YOUR claimed views Day 1.

I’m going to give you one more chance to answer – you would be good to take it.

Why didn’t you redirect SD, who you spent ALL DAY ranting was a Serial Killer, to Iec who you have explained you targeted because you had a scum read on him?

I am telling you: IT INVOLVES SOMEONE ELSES ROLE

Now shut the fuck up and go question someone who actually might be scum.

[gandalf5166]

I'll be roleblocking gandalf every night from now on unless he clarifies

Nope. Shut the fuck up and go home. Basically, something happened to me last night. It's the reason I'm voteless today, and it's how I know SD is confirmed non-SK.

[gandalf5166]

because SD is totally a votestealer amirite?

No, SD did not have anything to do with it(as far as I know). It'll be clear as soon as the person claims(although now that I think of it, since there's no role reveal, it's possible they're already dead >.>).

[gandalf5166]

insisting on clearing yourself is incredibly scummy you know

Eh. Maybe I'm not clear. Doesn't mean I'm scum.

[gandalf5166]

so act townish instead of trying to clear yourself with unreliable role information?

Are you talking about this?

because SD is totally a votestealer amirite?

No, SD did not have anything to do with it(as far as I know). It'll be clear as soon as the person claims(although now that I think of it, since there's no role reveal, it's possible they're already dead >.>).

I meant clear as in YOU WILL UNDERSTAND.

[gandalf5166]

And just like that I all of a sudden remember that I know why Dekes wasn't jailkeeped last night.

*FACEPALM*

[gandalf5166]

@Gand: I hope you come to a conclusion soon.

A conclusion? On what?

[gandalf5166]

@Gemini: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ROLE

I have already fullclaimed my role. It has something to do with SOMEONE ELSES ROLE. Basically, I know that SD is not SK and that neither Dekes or SD is lying.

[gandalf5166]

@Gemini: IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY ROLE

I have already fullclaimed my role. It has something to do with SOMEONE ELSES ROLE. Basically, I know that SD is not SK and that neither Dekes or SD is lying.

You're a liar if you're saying you knew that on N1 when you made your Night choice !!

I didn't. That doesn't mean it didn't affect my NA. Drop it.

Since when am I confirmed town/non-SK to you?
Did some one else give you those infos?

You could say that.

Gandalf's behavior is odd. I had forgotten about the SD-is-SK mantra from yesterday. That would indeed make the obvious move SD->X rather than Iec->X. The explanation that he learned that SD was not an SK *after* the events of N1 also makes no sense.

Okay, since "FUCKING DROP IT" apparently isn't clear enough, I guess I'll say that something happened last night that affected my action.

@gandalf

Did you have information about someone else's role prior to Night 1?

No. That doesn't mean it didn't affect my action.

I found a much better lynch 2 candidate! I give you contradictions ahoy!

@MoI: LOTR Mafia. Advance Wars Mafia that recently ended(although technically we won/drew by accident).

LOTR Mafia was not lost due to 'logic'. Fate's play was anything but logical. LOTR was lost by the combination of incomplete information and ego.

Any other examples?

Exactly. Town ALWAYS has incomplete info. WHICH IS WHY USING LOGIC TO TRY TO WIN THE GAME IS RETARDED

Explain, my good wizard, why you decry logic so soundly, yet roughly half of your iso is set-up speculation?

Seriously, the first 15 posts are filled with speculation about claims, dead sections, and buddying to other players. Then there is some gandalfbrand content that is almost always scummy anyways. Then you go back to the fluff anf then, oh look, more setup speculation.

Lynch2: Gandalf

Just because town has incomplete info doesn't mean they shouldn't try for more.

@Gand: I demand a definite stance on when your holy scummyness is going to have the benevolence to disclose his sacred prophetic full claim on us. If not a lynch for pure information purposes becomes incredibly tempting.

A lynch won't give you any info. There's no role flip in this game. And as I've already said, I ALREADY FULLCLAIMED. You know everything about my abilities. I am NOT going to reveal anything about someone else's.

@Ooba: I didn't know that either of them were not SK N1. But something happened that affected the way I used my role.

[gandalf5166]

You did not fullclaim. What about some flavour to start with. You claimed pretty scummy abilities and did pretty anti-town things so far. You should care enough to make your claims plausible, especially the part that you are townie. Role name and flavour can help to confirm you, but only if you reveal them.

Nope. I'm keeping those confidential that way we can confirm Iec's role. I'll claim those tomorrow, thanks.

[gandalf5166]

BTW, before mothrax comes in and is like OH LOL lOOK CONTRADICTION HE CALLED BS SCUMMY FOR WITHHOLDING FLAVOR:

There's actually a reason this time, so it doesn't count, sorry.

[gandalf5166]

I kinda want to wait to lynch AGM until we see if Iec's normal is legit. And I don't get the case on quadz. So yes, I'm voting for someone else.

[gandalf5166]

Gandalf, do us all a favor and do some real work. All we have seen from you is role and setup spec. That is in no way protown.

Better than what we've seen from you so far.

[gandalf5166]

Probably because he wants his buddies to be able to use his fakeclaim if they want.

[gandalf5166]

Lynch2: AGM

I just remembered that even if Iec's ability WAS off, I would still lynch him.

[gandalf5166]

Deadline is my birthday. Interesting.

[gandalf5166]

@Axel: I have to get the info out, or if I die at night the info dies with me. I should NOT give the scum more info than the town needs.

[gandalf5166]

DO NOT STUMP

He's confirmable town, and why the fuck would scum have a power that allows two lynches?

[gandalf5166]

My abilities have no flavor outside the ability names, and like quadz's, they seem self-explanatory.

[gandalf5166]

My GOD why the fuck did you do that?

[gandalf5166]

@Axel: Why would you assume that I had had him redirected to me?

[gandalf5166]

@SD: Yes. But he's just pointing out the parallel. Having abilities that you don't understand is fairly normal in theme games.

[gandalf5166]

Why?

[gandalf5166]

I actually find myself agreeing with chess on ooba-scum. I need to go dunk my head in a barrel of water real quick.

[gandalf5166]

Lynch2: Axel

I brought this up earlier, and now that it's got MoI behind it it might actually go through >.>

[gandalf5166]

I would support a mothrax lynch. i support an Axel lynch more. I was actually about to vote mothrax when MoI posted.

[gandalf5166]

I will be accepting gifts of cash money to my Steam account

WOOT FOR AXEL WAGON

[gandalf5166]

My vote loss is not the result of my super, and the way the mod presented it to me, I think it was connected to the other thing that happened to me last night, which means that unless Chronopie essentially has two actions, he didn't take away my vote.

[gandalf5166]

Yeah, saying that you always play badly isn't an excuse for playing horribly.

[gandalf5166]

Okay, so either chess or mothrax(calling CS mothrax because that way it's easier to connect the two) is scum. I think they both are. Which one to lynch?

[gandalf5166]

You know what would be hilarious? If chess stole mothrax's fakeclaim and then CS came in and used it not realizing that chess had taken it.

[gandalf5166]

how about
since there's not a lot of support for a me lynch
and a shitfuckton of support for a mothrax lynch
that probably means he's the scum not me?

KTHXBIE

You are just really horrible at logic this game aren't you? See, this is called an Appeal to Majority. The fact that a lot of people believe something has nothing to do with its truth or untruth. I find it strange that you're this stupid this game all of a sudden, since I've played with you and you're not usually this bad, and that you're supposed to be a math major at Princeton, which I would assume requires an IQ above 90?

[gandalf5166]

that doesn't require any IQ at all

THAT's call ad hominem

I'm not ad homming you. I'm saying that your IQ has mysteriously dropped, but it seems to be a localized effect in that it only applies to this game. Now, why would that happen? Could it maybe because you're scum, so you're thinking that everybody else in the game is convinced you're stupid anyways?

[gandalf5166]

Chess is pretty obvTown. I dunno why everyone's crying about it :\

Gandalf, you've played enough with Chess to know that he claims to be unmeta-able. Why are you trying to meta him here?

Because he ISNT unmeta-able.

[gandalf5166]

Someone out there needs to vote AV just to keep him above the pack so he doesn't skip out on the lynch.

Would if I could.

[gandalf5166]

Why on earth would Hestia be light blue? I definitely would have expected some kind of red or at least ash grey.

[gandalf5166]

Persephone being pink makes perfect sense. She's the goddess of freaking springtime. That said, Hestia IS also the goddess of family. Maybe that's why it's baby blue?

[gandalf5166]

AGar - SD could still be third party. He's not town, at least.

If he is, then the most dangerous he could possibly be is lyncher.

[gandalf5166]

Persephone being pink makes perfect sense. She's the goddess of freaking springtime. That said, Hestia IS also the goddess of family. Maybe that's why it's baby blue?

Hestia is not goddess of family, Hera is. And I can't think of a reason for Hestia to be blue.

WTB Vote count.

Hera is the goddess of MARRIAGE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hestia

[gandalf5166]

Chess, your reads were right once again. In addition, I redirected Lord Chronos to Axel and guess who turned up dead. LET'S GO

And Iec, I thought you were supposed to Target me last night to verify your ability? Anyways, the LC result is more positive, so let's run with that one. Oscar can check me tonight and if he's accurate, we lynch AGM and Chronopie. I'll vote in the morning, cause on my phone it takes like twenty minutes to vote.

[gandalf5166]

My phone autocorrects Iec to Oscar, sorry.

[gandalf5166]

I'll only fullclaim if Iec confirms that he will not be targeting me to confirm his ability. And Hindu gods fits with castrated, so I trust Iec's result to a degree.

[gandalf5166]

Also, I purposely picked Axel because nobody ever would have NKd him. Unless a vig wants to step up, LC IS scum. There's no point in asking him to fakeclaim.

@SD: what I'm saying is that if he IS going to Target me, I don't want to fullclaim. But since it looks like he's not doing that anyways, I just want confirmation from him before I fullclaim.

[gandalf5166]

VOTE: LC

Also, I purposely picked Axel because nobody ever would have NKd him. Unless a vig wants to step up, LC IS scum. There's no point in asking him to fakeclaim.

@SD: what I'm saying is that if he IS going to Target me, I don't want to fullclaim. But since it looks like he's not doing that anyways, I just want confirmation from him before I fullclaim.

And yet someone did NK Axel. And it wasn't me.

Oh, well now I see I must be mistaken. I'm sorry.

No flavor, just the message that it failed. It lets me talk to the person I target for the following Day and Night.

Is this your super? If not, what did Baby Spice say? If yes, is your super gone?

And SD, I see. You're talking about what happened N1. I guess I'll claim that, since someone else might even be able to come out and confirm it since the person who did it will have done it twice now. And it is true that Iec is pretty much conf. town now, so I guess I can claim my role name. W/e.

N1 I was targeted by someone(I don't know who) and I was allowed to action twice. There was no flavor with that message. As I said, however, the way the PM was phrased made it sound like I was having my vote taken away as a consequence of me gaining an extra action. I redirected Iec to AGM AND I redirected SD to AV. So we know SD isn't an SK or AV would be dead.

As for my flavor name, I am Eris, Greek God of Chaos and Discord. My rolename is a sort of purplish-pink(magenta?) Good thing I checked too, cause up until I checked just now I thought it was black for some reason >.> My Normal is called Chaos, and my Super is Eclipse. I have no passive(I think I might have already said that, but just to be sure).



@LC: From the way you're talking about it, I'm assuming it's a normal power. I repeat: WHAT DID BABY SPICE SAY

[gandalf5166]

The one thing that makes me wonder about Iec is that he's not dead........

PEDIT: That could easily be made up, and I don't like that your normal and your super basically do the same thing. Guess what other two people had supers that did the same thing as their normals: AV and ConSpiracy. Wait, were they the ones who flipped scum. Damn.

I think AGM means scum NEIGHBOR, not neighborizer.

[gandalf5166]

So chess is a buddy. Now we just need to find the third Egyptian, assuming there are three to each team. I do not think it's possible that axel was a scumkill.

[gandalf5166]

Yay, so we have a confirmed roleblocker in the game and there just happens to be one already claimed........ HOWS ABOUT WE LYNCH CHESS AND THEN KILL LC

And I can't even remember why I didn't want to reveal the extra redirect. I guess I didn't want to reveal that there was a motivator?.....

[gandalf5166]

Because chess DIDNT roleblock you. He blocked Chrono.

[gandalf5166]

No. I'm saying that what he said and what he did are two different things, because HES SCUM.

[gandalf5166]

I didn't switch my vote in 1735..... That was an accident.

UNVOTE
VOTE: Chesskid

[gandalf5166]

I don't think that's likely, as it's clear that chess and LC are scumbuddies and 4 scum trams sound like a bit much.

[gandalf5166]

What IM saying is that if chess and CS were scumbuddies, then LC and chess can't be.

[gandalf5166]

Because then there would be 4 person scumteams........ I don't get what is so hard about this logic.

[gandalf5166]

There is too a guarantee of multi-scum. You think that there is only one scum group in the game and they're the freaking Egyptian gods?

[gandalf5166]

There is too a guarantee of multi-scum. You think that there is only one scum group in the game and they're the freaking Egyptian gods?

Yes, I see it as completely credibly possible. The Egyptian pantheon is almost as big as the Greek pantheon.

Does it mean that multi-scum is ruled out? No. But your steadfast stance that only a moron would consider it a possibility strikes me as possibly indicative of inside info.

Just because there are a lot of gods in the Egyptian pantheon doesn't mean they're prominent. I can only name two Egyptian gods(SORT OF) off the top of my head: Isis and something that sounds like Nebulis(I know that isn't his name or even really very, but it's what is stuck in my head). If there were only one scumteam, they would be a conglomerate of several religions or something like that. Or at least something big, like Norse or Hindu.

PEDIT: I remembered his name. Anubis.

And as a side note, I have a tendency to assume that larges have multiple scumteams, as you well know.

[gandalf5166]

my super blocks everyone I've blocked ever for two nights after my death cuz they'er mourning

other than that it's a normal Rb cuz you know we're fucking.

OH MY GOD I CANT BELIEVE I DIDNT REALIZE THIS EARLIER

Chess just failclaimed. Supers are ACTIVE abilities. Passives have their own section.

[gandalf5166]

ITS NOT A PASSIVE SINCE IT IS TRIGGERED BY SOMETHING YOU STUPID FUCK

AND NO NOT EVERY ROLE PM IN THE GAME IS AN EXACT REPLICA OF YOURS YOU OBNOXIOUS SACK OF FUCK

Triggered abilities are definitely passive.

[gandalf5166]

Thirded.

[gandalf5166]

WOOHOO

Unless LC flips Egyptian, we lynch chess tomorrow, kthxbai?

Unvote
VOTE: LC

[gandalf5166]

all my claim confirms is that LC didnt perform a kill.
Shrug

I'll block gandalf tonight so the fat fuck can see i'm an rber.

I have no doubt you're a RBer. That's not a valid excuse to block obvtown, sorry.