Scummies 2011 Nominations

[Mr. Flay]

Yes, yes you can.

[Mr. Flay]

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate - I thought it was dropped for lack of nominees. Rewarding 'bad play' is what we've dropped some awards for (like Most Likely To Be Lynch Day 1, thankfully).

[Mr. Flay]

Empking, you're conflating "good play" with "good enough play to win". Not the same thing.

Kerrigan, you're arguing with Empking. That was your first mistake.

[Mr. Flay]

I wouldn't say Mastin's post was all that revolutionary, considering how many responses were "well, yeah."

[Mr. Flay]

Shut. Up.

Both of you.

[Mr. Flay]

Is Lambda actually a new player? I always thought she was an alt *shrug*

[Mr. Flay]

Because we HAVE a lot of alts on this site. And usually it takes a while to 'get used to' the way we play Mafia here; when somebody catches right on, it usually means they either read up before playing, or they're an alt. I'll let you guess which actually happens more often...

Also, hardly anybody joins the site to play Mish-Mash, Large Themes, and Guys Part 2, in that order.

[Mr. Flay]

Damn, and you're still here? Well done.

LLD: I meant no disrespect in my questions. You just threw/throw off a LOT of alt tells. If you are telling the truth, then you absolutely deserve the nomination.

[Mr. Flay]

Not really, and that's all I'm going to say about that.

[Mr. Flay]

Why not? I'm pretty sure they count for new player awards, why not other things?

Because Newbie Games aren't supposed to be

for

the SEs or ICs, they're for the newbies. So when a new player shines, that's one thing... but when an oldbie shines in a game that's 66% new? Not so much. It's not a slam on the newbies at all.

[Mr. Flay]

random question: when are the scummies' little plaque things usual added?

Usually a couple of months after the ceremony. I seem to be continuing JEEP's trend...

[Mr. Flay]

Or 2010 Scummies, if you brave the wiki...

[Mr. Flay]

Game has to end in 2011 for the 2011 Scummies. And I don't think they HAVE to win, since the IC-part is about the teaching role...

[Mr. Flay]

Nths all around!

No. Be specific or stop wasting our time.

[Mr. Flay]

This is nominations - judging happens later.

[Mr. Flay]

No, it doesn't.

[Mr. Flay]

RC, if we start doing that shit, we'll have to give out an award for every god damned role.

This.

[Mr. Flay]

Nominate

zMuffinMan for funniest player

It's customary to provide examples.

[Mr. Flay]

If you're not actually an alt, it doesn't knock you out. But I'm not sure how you prove you're not, now that you've said it...

[Mr. Flay]

IP check? I

have

an alt, but that joined after this account.
I'd be fine with not being eligible though, seeing as I've been shit in all my other games.

The checks can discover alts - they can't prove you aren't one/don't have one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absence_of_evidence

[Mr. Flay]

Nominate StrangerCoug for Best MishMash User.

Why wasn't this done before?
He basically mods half the games in there, and then plays in a ton that he doesn't run.

Because Mish-Mash has nothing to do with Mafia?? Its actually been proposed before... one year, I think the Mish-Mash crowd just made their own award (the Mashies, maybe?)

[Mr. Flay]

Mashies, I think, though it never got off the ground: http://mafiascum.net/archive/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10704

[Mr. Flay]

That's for the judges to decide. You are free to nominate a newbie for a non-Newbie game.

[Mr. Flay]

You act like this is new behavior. The last couple of years have included lots of circular nominations by the 'in' crowd.

[Mr. Flay]

Flay shut the fuck up.

This is nominations - judging happens later.

Mere pages ago this was your stance. Now you're like YEAH VPB FUCK THOSE GUYS AND THEIR NOMINATIONS.

Nope. I'm simply saying there's a lot of self-serving nominations by the same crowd. I'm not saying the

games

aren't worthy, which is a big difference from the antinominations.

[Mr. Flay]

Agree with Best New Mod - disagree with the other. Best Role is unqualified. If people are using it wrong when nominating, fix that. If it's the setup that really brings the role to its full flower, nominate them for the Best Setup/Mechanic scummies.

::edit:: Best New Mod will need a longer timeframe, obviously. First Game modded (on this site) finishing this calendar year seems sufficient.

[Mr. Flay]

Hurmph, I was going to suggest Best New Mod.

Modding Hydras don't count unless all heads are new.

[Mr. Flay]

Wasn't Smooth Operator new just last year? But yeah, it seems a bit like a 'well done, you didn't screw anything up noticeably' sort of award... wouldn't miss it, personally.

Tar: *shrug* The modding awards all overlap significantly anyway, because it's harder to tell where one part ends and another begins.

[Mr. Flay]

Multiple nominations for awards seems fine; some players could conceivably only finish one epic game a year, and I don't think they should be disqualified automatically from BoW awards.

[Mr. Flay]

But Losing Cause has no business as a body of work award. It just doesn't make sense.

This.

[Mr. Flay]

I think

Smoothest Operator

should be more of a Body Of Work award instead of a single game. A Mod can have a great game, and thats great. He could do a really good job, but if he doesn't show that same devotion and care to his other games, it doesn't really make him the Smoothest Operator.

Like it. I DO think it should be "body of work", but I'm not sure if you CAN nom for a BoW award with just one game, in the current climate (which is stupid, if true).

I also wanted to suggest Best List Mod. But I think that there probably is a lot of issues with a nomination like that.

Mneah... don't like this one. Too limited a pool of candidates, even with the changeovers this year.

Nominate chamber for Name Should Be In Orange

- he's been a coding MACHINE lately, getting stuff that's been on the drawing board for years (or days) onto the site. Yes he's working with the rest of the coding team, but a good share of the actual code is his.

[Mr. Flay]

Among other things, yes. I don't have a good exhaustive list at this point because he's moving faster than I can keep up...

[Mr. Flay]

You can add a new category.

I kinda like that one, although it's a hall-of-shame sort of thing rather than a claim to fame... and I'm marginally worried about people 'competing' to spam the game thread before it starts.

[Mr. Flay]

Eh; I thought Yos' early-game play was weak, but in the late days he did well. Nothing award winning IMO though...

[Mr. Flay]

Self noms are fine in all circumstances. If you really don't deserve it, you just look like a right twat.

Not really, because some people will second

anything

, and it vastly increases the reading load on the judges.

Also, if self-noms are okay for teams, then the team can nom and second itself in Every Single Game. That's stupid.

[Mr. Flay]

If the performance is that good, you'll get nominated by

somebody else

. Nobody's ridiculing your performance, only your egotism.

[Mr. Flay]

Well, yes. Sometimes Town wins, and sometimes Scum loses, and sometimes Scum wins, and sometimes Town loses. Just like any game, you can either screw it up and throw away victory, or you can seize victory from the jaws of defeat.

[Mr. Flay]

I thought seconding was a requirement, and anything after that was superfluous. I don't like the idea of any random single nomination cluttering up the judges' workload.

[Mr. Flay]

It can be considered for whatever awards are appropriate. Winning multiple Scummies is not uncommon for players (there's more player-awards than mod-awards)

[Mr. Flay]

Looking over the Scummies pages, I don't see where a mod/game has ever won two awards in the same year, actually.

[Mr. Flay]

Let the judges fight it out.

[Mr. Flay]

nth Andrius