Open 304 - Hard Boiled, Game Over. Was DY's Dystopia saved?

[don_johnson]

vote: nameloc

weak reasoning.
toffee: i'm

a

don, not

the

don. google me. i have a pretty illustrious acting career.

[don_johnson]

those quotes that nameloc just posted are mismatched.

[don_johnson]

no, they're actually mismatched, and you are scum. you have erased any doubt from my mind.

[don_johnson]

i like the rc vote. but nameloc should go first.

toffee: not a whole lot of substance or "case" behind my suspicion of nameloc, but i'll try to flesh it out later. he just reads like maneuvering scum. rc is really making soft votes as if he's keeping a way to avoid accountablity.

[don_johnson]

vote: nameloc1986

how's that?

[don_johnson]

Sorry. Out of town for a few days. Who are we lynching?

[don_johnson]

vote: deitykabuto

for really trying to avoid that toffee wagon. do you really think the scum team is newman, amrun, RC? i could get with RC being scum, but not the other two.

[don_johnson]

ain't that a shit pickle?

i would argue against the claim, but with the hider dead, hider tracker is confirmed town, no? although i still think it may be wise for ht to lay low unless they have a scum result. what does everyone think?

smashbro_of_the_SSS
toffee
don_johnson
RedCoyote
Amrun
Scott Brosius
nameloc1986
HellloooNewman

8 players. 3 scum. i'll go toffee, nameloc, newman. maybe coyote instead of newman.

[don_johnson]

Unless hider hid behind one of the two dead townies.

[don_johnson]

vote: redcoyote

Muffin is dead on. I think I pointed it out yesterday.

[don_johnson]

Unfortunately, im not scum.
Do u really think im avoiding the amrun wagon? Aside from your result I dont see the case as others do. Also, I agree with muffin that rc has been playing soft. Not sure what else I can do.

unvote

[don_johnson]

No roleblocker types in this set up. Im not lynching without a cc. If amrun is vig then its smash, toffee, red coyote.

[don_johnson]

mod: vote count please

Im getting back on rc asap.

[don_johnson]

FLUFF. < the case on rc

[don_johnson]

vote: redcoyote

Thanks. Amrun, pls hammer.

If amrun isnt vig. Vig shoots amrun.

[don_johnson]

Damnit brosius. Why so stubborn?

unvote vote amrun

We can do it your way. But I reserve the right to say I told you so.

[don_johnson]

unvote

While we wait.

[don_johnson]

vote redcoyote

Muffin is town. His ability to spell out the case on RC is better than mine. I dont see anything negative coming from an rc lynch here. If amrun isnt vig then hes dead tonight. Im only lynching amrun with a cc. Brosius, get it together. Dont let your status go to your head.

[don_johnson]

My frustration with brosius. Only after I votes amrun did he concede my point that amrun does not need to be lynched.

Rc: very predictable. Vote stays.

[don_johnson]

why are they "terrible"? i have a history playing with brosius. he's a good scumhunter and him touting amrun as 99% scum means he's pretty sure. plus, he implied he would not be open to lynching anyone but amrun. i made the point that amrun would get vig'd tonight if he was lying. once brosius acknowledged that i went back to my NUMBER ONE SUSPECT. there's nothing odd about that. but whatever. lynch me or vig me. if i have to go then i'll go. would much rather be shot and see red coyote lynched. if you lynch me, will you please shoot red coyote?

[don_johnson]

whatevz. RC is scum. muffin laid out the rc case just about perfectly. his suspicions matched mine. i'm confident he's town. so accusations of "buddying" do not intimidate me.

I initially read your switch to me as a protection of redcoyote, but red's defense was good. It swayed me. He noticed the exact thing about you I noticed and also about Newman.

uh, what did he notice about me? are you referring to his giant OMGUS vote? you know, the one he laid down after doing absolutely nothing for the entire game? the one he laid down after his suspects turned up most likely town? my switch to you had nothing to do with red. it was because brosius seemed intent on pushing your lynch above all else even when it was so obvious to me that rc was scum. you weren't counterclaimed and brosius wanted to lynch you. that's completely assanine. if you are lying you'll be vig'd tonight, so brosius, imo, was being entirely irrational. i was pissed. when brosius conceded the point, i moved back to my original suspect. if i am scum, who are my partners? toffee and newman? smasbro? seriously dude, i'll lynch anyone over me today out of that scummy pool, but i would prefer to lynch RC. i have no issue whatsoever taking a bullet tonight if we get a scum lynch.

RC still hasn't done anything. his posts are fluff. try reading them. he's just rambling on about shit that has nothing to do with whose scum and why. has RC even given a reason for his vote on me? he posted a bunch of shit and a wall of wuotes and then wrote: vote don because he's the slickest of the three. OMGUS. OMGUS. OMGUS. nothing more.

[don_johnson]

mod: vote count please

I can do that.

Day Two, Votecount the Second

toffee (1): Amrun
Amrun (3): Scott Brosius, RedCoyote, Smashbro_of_the_SSS
RedCoyote (3): zMuffinMan, toffee, HellloooNewman
Not Voting (1): don_johnson

The deadline is 7:30 am PDT, Saturday, June 4. With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, and 4 to no-lynch.

As ever, any issues, please let me know.

try using your brain. i move to your wagon and place you at L-1. your wagon consists of:

Scott Brosius, RedCoyote, Smashbro_of_the_SSS, don_johnson

why would i unvote you? if you are the vig and i am scum, then i can only be scum with sss and rc. if not, then my third(or both) partner(s) are off the wagon. which means all they need to do is come in and hammer the fucking vig. thats a scumtastic oppurtunity. no way i unvote you in that situation if i am scum(unless i am scum with rc and smash). if i am scum with rc and smash, then you should have no problem lynching RC. i've already offered to take a bullet if RC flips scum. think this one through. my vote on you was out of my personal frustration with brosius. i even allude to it in my vote post.

Hooray lets rush the day again! don is so obviously Amrun's partner. The way RC addressed Amrun does not read as bussing to me. Given that I am 99.9% sure Amrun is scum, I am not voting for RC. From my brief read over it looks like lack of content? And voting for CK?

scotts whole reason for voting me is because he thinks you are scum and that i am your partner. if you can't see this, then i can't help you. no way does scumdj let unvote the vig from L-1 with at least one partner lurking off the wagon. especially not when the only "confirmed" townie is touting said vig as 99.9% scum.

so, to summarize:

scott votes don for being amruns partner.
coyote votes don because he's "the slickest of the three".
amrun votes don for getting off the vig wagon at L-1 to move his vote to one of the players who would most likely be his partner in that scenario.

looks like a great wagon.[/sarcasm]

[don_johnson]

i also unvote

immediately

after brosius concedes my point. please explain how any of that benefits scumdon?

[don_johnson]

Getting a mislynch on me,

uh, i unvoted you at L-1. i effectively neutered any chance of a mislynch.

buddying conftown Scott Brosius,

how am i "buddying" him? he's playing like a jackass.

moving a lynch off of your scumbuddy RC.

i'm voting to lynch RC.

I need to think some more and re-read some things.

thats obvious.

[don_johnson]

that would be nice if what you were saying was the truth, smash. check the thread. brosius revoted amrun. did not unvote. i left the wagon at L-1.

you're suspects have been spotty throughout this whole game

here is some vca:

RedCoyote [2] - smashbro_of_the_SSS, toffee,

Amrun (3): Scott Brosius, RedCoyote, Smashbro_of_the_SSS

and:

vote: RedCoyote for being a little too serious about chesskid's claim/not claim.

vote: amrun that hammer was scummy, and I don't like your explanations at all.

you've been voting the same exact suspects.

this is a really good point. if you we're our vig right now I'd see you as oh so scummy. either way, doesn't matter anymore, you're either going to get killed by mafia as our vig, or the real vig can take care of you tonight (the only chance is toffee, or that the vig lied so that they wouldn't die) either way, I'll just have to move on from this.

way to restate the obvious.

as for don, I'm not convinced of your defense.

defense from what? noones made a solid accusation. scott voted me for being amruns partner, rc still hasn't stated "why" he thinks i am scum, only that i "am the slickest", whatever that means. amrun voted for my "vote hopping", where again, the places i hopped strongly suggest that i am town as opposed to scum. she still seems to have me pegged on the scum end, but whatever.

Even if scum could have gotten a lynch on Amrun to win, it would look incredibly anti-town if you didn't bail off that wagon right away. scott had already unvoted, so you would have needed your two scum buddies to be right online at the same time in order to get that lynch through (i'm not scum, and right now I'm seeing rc as town). which is a pretty long shot there, so why not make the effort to look townie?

scott never left the wagon. you are the player who did just what you are accusing me of. you jumped off the wagon at L-2. waayyyy scummier than leaving the wagon at L-1. if amrun is vig and i am scum, i passed a chance at a win. if you read, you will see that my posts revolve around the posts brosius was making at the time. i unvoted right after he conceded my point. i didn't lurk, didn't leave it hanging for a few days. i unvoted because i had an uncounterclaimed vig at L-1. hours later, you unvote.

the vote hopping I have a problem with is your day 1.

i like the rc vote. but nameloc should go first.

toffee: not a whole lot of substance or "case" behind my suspicion of nameloc, but i'll try to flesh it out later. he just reads like maneuvering scum. rc is really making soft votes as if he's keeping a way to avoid accountablity.

in your first vote/wagon,

you openly admit

you don't have much of a case on nameloc.

yes, reading him like maneuvering scum counts for something, but not enough on it's own.

my problem here is you don't stick around to try and make a case on nameloc by pressuring him, but instead...

bolded is me being honest. not really a scum trait. italicized is just bullshit. you've voted players for less and you know it.

Sorry. Out of town for a few days. Who are we lynching?

you wait for a few days and then come back with this scummy post. You don't allude to the nameloc wagon... at all. ever. again. no reason that you think he's town, or reason you still thought he was scum. Just "who's everyone voting for?" ***I'm sorry, i was wrong. you did mention nameloc again. when on Day2 you listed him as one of your suspects for scum. again. now reason at all.***

had gut on nameloc. coming back and asking what the general consensus is? how is that scummy? have you ever achieved a lynch in the game of mafia without appealing to the general consensus? can you lynch someone without a majority? the question also serves as a blanket inquiry as to who everyone is voting and why. reversed the read on nameloc due to mufins play. that is documented in thread.

vote: deitykabuto

for really trying to avoid that toffee wagon. do you really think the scum team is newman, amrun, RC? i could get with RC being scum, but not the other two.

lol, here is your new vote, after the post above. you jump on the oh so popular dietyk wagon. well played, you got a mislynch for your scumteam.

unpopular wagons don't result in lynches. town has as much, if not more incentive to lynch someone. mafia have an nk which they can discuss as a team. only vig can nk for town, and they have to make the decision alone and with much less information. lynching is towns greatest power in the fight against scum. where were you at the end of the day? who were you voting?

8 players. 3 scum. i'll go toffee, nameloc, newman. maybe coyote instead of newman.

this is your next post, your first of day 2 (way to let the end of the day slip on by don). read this post of yours, and the one above this. "do you really think the scumteam is

newman, amrun

, RC? i could get with RC being scum, but not the other two." onto your next post. "i'll go with toffee, nameloc,

newman

"

and? its not okay to have suspects? is it not okay for your suspect list to change? are you reading my posts in iso? or are you putting them in context with other things going on in thread at the time?

..."I could get with RC being scum, but not the other two." (including newman) ... "i'll go...newman" ... what? first he is not scum, then he is?

yup. mafia is a dynamic game. focusing on one suspect above all others is termed "tunneling". do your reads never change throughout the thread?

Damnit brosius. Why so stubborn?

unvote vote amrun

We can do it your way. But I reserve the right to say I told you so.

but at least you stuck by your statement about amrun not being scum. especially holding your position when there was a large wagon on her.


... oh. but at least you still have the right to say I told you so.

as scum, if amrun is vig, i had the win. if amrun is vig, then my read on her was correct. also, if you read the above post it is entirely consistent with my explanation of the vote to others who have inquired.

vote: don_johnson

you're suspects have been spotty throughout this whole game, and conveniently those who have large wagons on them. I don't like it.


I have more to say bout other people, but i really should have left my house 5 minutes ago, so gtg, more tonight hopefully.

you could have at least mentioned who else you had things to say about. but oh well. by not identifying your reads, you can always lurk the day and use the old "well i didn't get a chance," excuse.

well done. reading is tech. try it next time.


has toffee posted recently? i have some issues with his play. the distancing from the dk wagon and what not, but i would be more comfortable with the wagon if he has a chance to come back and post. we should be getting claims as well, rc is obv not cc to vig, we should at least get that info from toffee if we are going to lynch him. if amrun is not vig, then lynching the vig loses the game. imo, newman is becoming the most obvscum. "sitting in the stands" is scummy. come out and play.

ITT, we no longer have don_johnson voting for himself.

[don_johnson]

ebwop: smash has not been voting the exact same suspects. i don't believe i was voting amrun at any point. smash has haad two major suspects: my top suspect, and the uncounterclaimed vig. so whatever. i think you guys can get the point. calling my voting "spotty", when his own voting is pretty lazy and uninspired is a poor accusation.

mod: prod toffee?

Toffee has since posted between your request and my seeing it, so he dodges the wrath of my, uh, prod, for now. ~DY

[don_johnson]

unvote, vote: redcoyote

hope i didn't lynch myself there.

mod: the self vote was unintentional, my quote tags failed, can you fix that?

LOLZ, no, you weren't even close to lynching yourself. Fixing quote tags now.

[don_johnson]

i don't understand 409. what "word" are you referring to? you are my top choice for lynch. you have confirmed that you are

not

the vig. if you guys want to lynch someone else i am willing. if we are going to lynch toffee i don't have a problem with it, but i would prefer that toffee post and say "no, i am not the vig." if amrun is scum and real vig is hiding, then we need to make sure we do not lynch the vig as it means auto-lose for town. so not sure what you are implying with 409, but it is par for the course for you this game. you've done nothing but run interference with your giant wall posts and you have still... still failed to justify your original vote on me. you would think that in one of those gigantic posts of yours, you could have found room to squeeze in a "don is scum because...". but you haven't. so whatever. i'm waiting to hear from toffee, and i am fine with lynching you. the "unvote, vote rc" was because my quote tags failed and i may have accidentally self voted. my vote was on youy before that. i have no reason or incentive to move it from you at this time, so how is keeping my vote on my top suspect anything but "keeping my word"?

[don_johnson]

Scott: He noticed the same things I noticed about toffee day 1, iirc, and as I said today,

he noticed the same things I found scummy

in both

don

and Hello Newman.

please point out what he has said about me that you agree with. and nothing too recent please. you stated you agreed with his points earlier. other than "he is the slickest of the three", rc had not "pointed out" anything "scummy" about don. find these posts and quote what it was you agreed with.

[don_johnson]

How do you know who the vig kill was?

[don_johnson]

It matters whether or not you know who it was. Which is what your post implied. Way to avoid the question.

[don_johnson]

Meh. I have a general town read on you, but thats the second thing youve posted recently which has irked me. Ill explain more when im not posting from my phone. Main point being: im not comfortable lynching toffee until he posts.

[don_johnson]

I thought that was after the fact. In his original vote post he presented nothing against me other than the "hes the slickest" comment. How can a direct quote be misrep? Also, as vig, you should realize that your lynch ends the game. Why would scum don jump off that wagon? Brosius never unvoted, and as soon as he conceded my point I unvoted. There was no need for me to unvote and switch to red. I am going for my top suspect. If you want toffee then im ok with it, but I dont get why you cant see through rc and his walls o bullshit and fluff. Whatever.

[don_johnson]

It was not after the face.

Your "need" to unvote was to look pro-town when it was obvious your buddies weren't going to come in and hammer.

my vote sat on you just over 3 hours. if it had been 12 hours, or 24 hours, then you might have a point. who the fuck needs to "look town" when you're one vote from a win? also, once you got to L-1 brosius posted 3 times and did not unvote. so wtf? if anything, the timing in which i unvoted should make me look more town to you(if you really are the vig). the fact that you don't see that is kind of troublesome. smash unvoted off you at L-2. and, he didn't place his vote elsewhere. meaning, he was riding the vote on you. he didn't have another suspect. he was unvoting, just to unvote. i.e. if anyone on that page was "trying to look town", it was smash.

But I also don't want to shoot you tonight. I perhaps should have placed HN over you in my list.

Also, please vote for toffee.

fine.

unvote, vote: toffee

----------------


muffin: i am not a big supporter of "scumslips", as i think its an easy way for scum to exploit poorly written townies, and i have seen townies make all sorts of false "slips". but this:

No, getting you lynched doesn't result in a scum win, because the vig can still vig correctly.

and this:

And no one will counter-claim Amrun because the vig kill last night was bad and no one will be able to properly explain the logic behind it.

raised my eyebrows. the first post imo, implies that you know rc is town.(this obviously conflicted with my read on him, so i didn't make much of it.) when i read the second statement i thought you were referring to the surye kill. if amrun is scum, then he might not be telling the truth, so the only player who knows who the actual vig kill is, is the vig. get it? your response is ok, because you state that you were referring to the kill, and not either player specifically. so really, its nothing.

[don_johnson]

i think thats L-1

[don_johnson]

Ftr: I think its toffee/red/newman. So that works for me. I could put smash in for any one of those three, but I think everytime I play with smash I think hes scum. So whatever. Shoot straight.

[don_johnson]

that would be nice if what you were saying was the truth, smash. check the thread. brosius revoted amrun. did not unvote. i left the wagon at L-1.

scott not unvoting is true, that point is my bad. I went back through the thread, cause it did look weird that he still was voting her, and I thought I saw an unvote. point still stands that it was the only townish thing to do, unvoting,

especially if your scumbuddies weren't on

.

italicized the lolz part. if my scumbuddies weren't on the wagon, then unvoting would be the dumbest thing to do in the entire world. vig lynch = scum win. we've been over this.

you've been voting the same exact suspects.

yes. but I've agreed with cases and added to them. you only vote. End of Day 1 you say you wouldn't believe Amrun is scum. Amrun is not on you list of four choices in your first post of Day 2. Then you vote Amrun. How is that justified?

vote was out of frustration. please read it in context with my conversation with scott brosius. in iso it looks like an unjustified vote hop. in thread, it looks like what it is. me getting fed up with brosius and his "amrun must be lynched" policy. as soon as brosius conceded the point that i had made earlier(you know, that amrun didn't need to be lynched even if he was scum), i unvoted. town move unless i am scum with two other players already on the wagon, or amrun.

defense from what? noones made a solid accusation. scott voted me for being amruns partner, rc still hasn't stated "why" he thinks i am scum, only that i "am the slickest", whatever that means. amrun voted for my "vote hopping", where again, the places i hopped strongly suggest that i am town as opposed to scum. she still seems to have me pegged on the scum end, but whatever.

the places you've put your vote is the popular wagons. doesn't mean you're town.

doesn't mean i'm scum.

scott never left the wagon. you are the player who did just what you are accusing me of. you jumped off the wagon at L-2. waayyyy scummier than leaving the wagon at L-1. if amrun is vig and i am scum, i passed a chance at a win. if you read, you will see that my posts revolve around the posts brosius was making at the time. i unvoted right after he conceded my point. i didn't lurk, didn't leave it hanging for a few days. i unvoted because i had an uncounterclaimed vig at L-1. hours later, you unvote.

I wasn't able to unvote because I didn't look at this game. in my first post I unvoted also. I'll give you that it's not as strong a point because I was wrong about scott, but it was the only townish thing to do in that situation.

of course you were unable to vote. you didn't look at this game. so why on earth would scum don unvote when he could give a lame ass excuse like "sorry, i just didn't look at this game" and ride the vote to a sure fire scum win? seriously. at some point you have to concede this point. and considering it is the point which appears to be the lynch-pin of tha case against me, i will have to say that this case is ridiculous. again: why the hell would scum don worry about being "townish" if he has one or two scumbuddies floating around to hammer the vig? the glove don't fit.

bolded is me being honest. not really a scum trait. italicized is just bullshit. you've voted players for less and you know it.

I'm sorry, but I'm not just accepting your words as honest. In other games, maybe. But I've been changing that as I've played. If I do vote someone on little info, I ask them questions to get a better read.

where are my questions? you are voting me for very little, but your post at me contains little to respond directly to.

had gut on nameloc. coming back and asking what the general consensus is? how is that scummy? have you ever achieved a lynch in the game of mafia without appealing to the general consensus? can you lynch someone without a majority? the question also serves as a blanket inquiry as to who everyone is voting and why. reversed the read on nameloc due to mufins play. that is documented in thread.

I would be ok with that quote if you actually followed up on it. all you did was vote DK right after. You did not comment on any of the wagons that have happened, aside from one line to justify your DK vote. In mafia, yes, you need to get a majority on your side for a lynch to go through. I know that. But you shouldn't just agree with everyone without putting forth much effort to justify yourself. That's scummy.

which wagons happened? this sounds funny coming from the guy who later admits that he simply missed the end of the day, but also admits that he was going to join the same wagon he's criticizing me for joining.

Yes, you did talk about muffin. But on Day 2. On day 1, you should have come back and at least mentioned you still found nameloc scummy. but you didn't. Why not mention nameloc anymore if you still thought he was scummy? To me, it looked like you just gave up the nameloc wagon cause it fizzled out and joined DK cause it was strong.

again. you lurked the end of the day away. i believe nameloc did as well. and at the start of day 2, i talked about nameloc again. muffin posted well and helped change my mind. its all clearly documented in the thread. basically, you are saying that i did do all the things i should have done, but i should have done them sooner? like the way you waited until amrun was at L-2 to unvote him? shouldn't you have done that sooner? go ahead and blame rl. its the scummy thing to do. in fact, scumdon could have floated the L-1 on amrun for quite some time and then blamed rl. that would have been scummy.

No one. I had talked to RC, saw him as town. I was going to join up with the DK wagon when I went to check out the vote count. and what do ya know? It was alraedy a lynch.

in other words, you're criticizing me for leaving my top suspect for the same suspect you yourself were planning on voting for. brilliant.

and? its not okay to have suspects? is it not okay for your suspect list to change? are you reading my posts in iso? or are you putting them in context with other things going on in thread at the time?

you give little to no reasons for your change of suspects. I understand changing suspects, but you need to do more than voting, or it looks like you're just voting to vote with everyone else.

i am voting to vote with everyone else most of the time. other times i am voting for pressure. some times i vote out of frustration. i'm voting. unlike you, who seem content to coast through the game and avoid accountability. voting is pro-town. moving your vote around is pro-town. regardless of your own alignment, your vote pattern is one of the only tangible forms of evidence in the game of mafia. who you voted for, when you voted for them, and why. its evidence. townies aren't afraid to leave evidence because they have nothing to hide. scum have to be much more careful with their votes.

yup. mafia is a dynamic game. focusing on one suspect above all others is termed "tunneling". do your reads never change throughout the thread?

yeah, they do. but I say when they do, and why. you drop suspects without reason until much later.

looks like a difference in playstyle to me.

as scum, if amrun is vig, i had the win. if amrun is vig, then my read on her was correct. also, if you read the above post it is entirely consistent with my explanation of the vote to others who have inquired.

yeah, if you were scum (which I believe you are) you had the win. which means you would want to vote amrun, even though you act as though you thought amrun was town. which is scummy, voting someone you have a town read on.

read it in context. the amrun vote comes as a direct result of my conversation with scott brosius and is removed when said conversation is resolved to my satisfaction.

you could have at least mentioned who else you had things to say about. but oh well. by not identifying your reads, you can always lurk the day and use the old "well i didn't get a chance," excuse.

sorry, but I was late picking up my brother, so I needed to go. I planned on coming back. hi.

[/quote]

nice excuse. sounds like something scumdon could have said after he let that L-1 amrun vote ride for 24 hours. oh. that's right. he only let it ride for three.

[don_johnson]

and i love that you like the toffee wagon but won't hammer it. just lilke toffee liked the rc wagon, but wouldn't join it. second thoughts on the newman shot after this poor display. but whatever. its not my shot.

[don_johnson]

agreed. smash or rc. at 4:1 i think we can lynch both safely. would like to get it right the first time though. should be a challenge since they both read scummy as hell imo. i'd like some brosius...

does anyone think muffin could still be scum? the original nameloc slot was rough, but i'd like opinions. i'll get some vca when i get a chance. today is a holiday.

[don_johnson]

i can go for smash, though its hard for me to believe that RC is town here. i'd like to here from both of them before we lynch.

[don_johnson]

everyone needs to read an iso of muffin. post your thoughts.

[don_johnson]

reading muffins iso should be done. it is certainly odd how he picks out scum(toffee), but pushes the RC wagon. but again, i agree here with RC that the points are minor compared to smash's game. when its this obvious, the right thing to do is lynch.

vote: sss

leave the hammer to brosius. if smash flips town, this may get difficult.

[don_johnson]

^^ yeah. its hard to play up your own towniness, but i was surprised that people still thought i was scum after that. gg. sorry RC. i just couldn't fathom your suspicion of me. but the dead qt seemed to think i was scum to. so...

nice shot amrun.