Return to Gambits (SK Win!)

[jilynne1991]

I'm sorry, but I just do not like participating in RVS, I'll be fencesitting until I see something that is worth mentioning or catches my eye. Vezok, why must you always be so eager to lynch? Btw, I'd actually like an answer to this question.

[jilynne1991]

Wait, does this mean we're leaving the RVS stage? (Sorry, I'm sorta confused.)

[jilynne1991]

Is it really that fun to find all the games I tried to/joined? LOL, well my summer just started, and I have an average of 16 hours a day to waste.

[jilynne1991]

Well, I know for at least half of the replacements, I won't be able to replace, so I think even if all the games started that I in-ed (not wanted to replace) I'd be at about 10 games. Also, on the five games I'm in, I've been posting like 5x a day, since I'm seriously that bored.

[jilynne1991]

CMAR, do I seem to be flaking or doing anything to make you think I might need to be replaced out soon?

[jilynne1991]

A meta means nearly nothing, so I don't think that's a very good question. Anyways, I've never played with you, so I don't think anything of your meta.

[jilynne1991]

Who is town as well...Cobbler?

[jilynne1991]

What do you mean by easy going nature? Cobbler, why would you tell someone they might be wrong if they say you're pro-town. I don't quite understand that.

[jilynne1991]

I actually don't see anything wrong with CMAR, but being able to make judgements that quickly make me think one of two things: 1) he might be really good at this game or 2) he's a loudmouth who should stop making assumptions so quickly.

[jilynne1991]

Earworm seems to be a smart played, but he's still a null read at the moment for me.

[jilynne1991]

EBWOP, I meant player

[jilynne1991]

We seem to be arguing scum hunting theories in this thread more than we're actually scum hunting. Mafia is an ever evolving game. As we learn the things scum do the scum learn not to do them and you'll always see townies who do those things on accident. What may have been an accurate strategy last month could be outdated this month. Therefore if people vote each other for contrasting theories (the rvs wagon for example) then the best thing is to just let them bc we can eventually learn things just by seeing how they react to each other in a one on one situation.

We're not mass claiming Vezo. Not on D1.

Vezo has permanently broken my scumdar for him by being consistently and constantly scummy. Frustrating as hell.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. He makes me laugh because of his stupidity and oblivioun, but it makes me frustrated too!

[jilynne1991]

I was going to say we should MC. But then I thought and no I'm not going to say.

Please explain why you bother posting then? What you're doing is generally called active lurking.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I don't think I'll ever cuss again, but seriously Vezo makes me soooo fucking pissed. I can't ever get him to reply to any of my questions and he seriously never posts and productive content. Honestly, I'd rather some mod ban his IP adress forever or something. I seriously believe he has mental problems, and he should not be allowed to play mafia. OK, sorry for my outburst.

[jilynne1991]

...yay, Vezok gets to keep annoying me.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm sorry, I'll work on my problem with vezok. *sighs loudly* I'm town anyways, and I really like winning. So, I'm willing to work on my problems for the good of the town. (And so I can win.)

[jilynne1991]

May I ask why you have a town read on me and Surye?

[jilynne1991]

Eh, well I have a habit of asking alot of questions especially since I don't know alot.

Currently, I have a town read on Surye...and that's all. It's kind of because of a gut feeling, but for every one of my gut feelings, I can usually also find a post or something to explain or back up what I said if needed.

Surye, who do you think is currently town or leaning-town?

[jilynne1991]

I'm just going to post reads on people. Since I don't have that much time, I'll explain them later if I remember/you guys ask.

Surye: thinks is town, but my paranoia is killing me
C-Worl: null to town
The Mask: null
Nocmen: leaning town
Vezo: null and thinks he is a very useless player\
Cobbler: leaning town
Iron: leaning town
CMAR: null to leaning a little bit scum
Monk: null
earworm: null to a little bit scum (this means nothing though, since it's just a gut feeling.)


I just named those on the top of my mind at the moment, and if you guys aren't on, it *might* be a sign you guys aren't active enough.

[jilynne1991]

Sorry, but can you guys not cuss? I honestly don't see what cussing accomplishes. It seems quite rude and makes you seem less classy. Thanks!

[jilynne1991]

I will be unable to reach a computer until maybe the 5th or possibly sixth, because of a math competition, I will catch up as quickly as possible.

[jilynne1991]

Earworm, something about what you say seems scummy and townie at the same time. Later today or tomorrow, expect a post from me trying to pin point exactly what it is, since I'm pretty busy right now.

[jilynne1991]

You're right about his panicky defenses, but I've though about the fact that maybe he has been scum hunting, and it's just that he's not so sure...

[jilynne1991]

Wait so he acts scummy when he's town, and he seems town when he's scum? Hmmm, but what if he suddenly switched this time or something? I honestly don't believe in meta's, but this is when my paranoia kicks in and makes me wonder if you guys might be scum buddies. . .

[jilynne1991]

Sathoris, I thought you were voting me...at least that's what it said in the previous votecount.

[jilynne1991]

Also, I'm not understanding why you're voting Pine, since I didn't really find his post incriminating, do you mind expanding?

[jilynne1991]

I wouldn't say very scummy, considering what you've done, but DeityKabuto does seem a little lynch happy.

Quite honestly, I think Sathoris justified it pretty well, it's just that I'd prefer to wait for at least one more scumtell or mistake on your part.

[jilynne1991]

Sathoris offered reasoning, I didn't see very much of it from Deity.

[jilynne1991]

Sorry for not posting lately. I'm still here.

That's nice.

What. a. freaking. hypocrite. Nice job active lurking. Consider youself on my scum list.

This is also provoking me to reread all you posts.

[jilynne1991]

You guys. I know this really makes me seem like a hypocrite, but don't post if you don't have something useful to say.

Regardless of how often you post, when you put out there a useless post, if makes me think your actively lurking. (Also known as being scummy.)

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm sorry for posting 2x, but Pine you've had some useless posts, so have sorasgoof, so I was refering it to all 3 of you.

Mainly, though it was DK. God, at least 75% of her posts seem either clueless or pointless.

[jilynne1991]

LOL...I learned the word "hypocrite" at age...what, 11?

You don't see a 13 year old staying inside to play mafia instead of video games that often either.

[jilynne1991]

VOTE: Deity Kabuto

He didn't truly answer my question. I want a name. The fluff in his ISO makes me particularly happy with this vote.

The Mask only indirectly answered my questioned. Noted.

That leaves Vezok and wredfar.

I completely agree with you, it's just that DK always plays this way. He always has that much fluff. I don't know what to think of it.

He's always a complete VI.

Honestly, I'd rather be scumhunting and lynching scum that policy lynching.

Why do you want DK lynched so much, don't you think scum hunting for a bit longer would be better?

[jilynne1991]

Perhaps I was a simple child growing up...ehm...I'm sure you'll do well in your pursuit of education, jily. (whatchu know bout dem VIs?)

Explain further please? I don't understand that.

I was just saying DK and vezok are making very much sense to me.

[jilynne1991]

TheMask why are you voting Surye. He is the one persont that seems the most town at the moment.

(Surye, don't take this as an attempt to buddy.)

[jilynne1991]

Where did I say that they were making sense/contributing to scum hunting, since last time I checked, I didn't and I didn't think they were.

[jilynne1991]

Oh god...LOL. Ok, sorry, but apparently I've been having alot of typing problems. First, I type scum twice, when I meant to write town, and now this.

I meant aren't. Sorry!

[jilynne1991]

Gosh, I've been playing with Quilford alot. Anyways, hi!

[jilynne1991]

I'm really not feeling Deity, either. VOTE: DeityKabuto

At this point, I feel he's much scummier than Noc. Blatant bandwagoning with no reasoning, absolutely useless posting, etc.

Remind me again how Noc's scummy please?

[jilynne1991]

I did, it just doesn't seem too convincing.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, unless DK says something extreme, what he says means nothing to me, because he's still null, since he plays the

EXACT SAME WAY EVERY SINGLE TIME!

[jilynne1991]

Fine, I'm always preaching about how you shouldn't think about people's meta's, and yes, Deity Kabuto is being extremely scummy (not that he's usually not) so

Vote: Deity Kabuto

[jilynne1991]

Fine, I'm always preaching about how you shouldn't think about people's meta's, and yes, Deity Kabuto is being extremely scummy (not that he's usually not) so

Vote: Deity Kabuto

Right, so that doesn't count as voting does it, mask?

[jilynne1991]

Well let's see, I guess most people don't vote for anyone, since they don't have anyone to vote for.

[jilynne1991]

No, it's just that I think lynching DK would be like policy lynching

[jilynne1991]

LOL Yes, please, I don't understand a word that's coming out of you mouth, or a word you're typing, so can you start trying to make some sense now?

[jilynne1991]

I. DID. NOT. HAVE. ANYONE. TO. VOTE. FOR. OK?

[jilynne1991]

Deity Kabuto, you're at L-1. I highly suggest you start posting something productive. A read on everyone plus a line or two explaining would work just fine and tell us that you can write understandable reasonable things.

[jilynne1991]

OMG YOU GUYS I'M SOOOOO SORRY, ok, I'll get caught up tomorrow, since I'm at starbucks and the stupid verizon people screwed up our internet and since we moved and all that I only have internet at starbucks, which is like 2 miles away, and lugging a laptop there kind of sucks. They're coming tomorrow though, and I'll get caught up really soon! Thanks for not replacing me out. I AM SO SORRRYYYY!!!!! Anyways, it's summer for me now, but my dad's like a control freak, so I can't go on after he gets home, so I only have like 11 hours a day. I'm SOOOO HAPPY TO GET INTERNET SOON. YAYYYYYYY

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm so sorry for not saying anything, but everything I want to say has already been said, and I have quite a few ideas, but nothing's popping out enough or obvious enough or me to feel confident about saying.

Sorry.

I do think earworm is town though, and Cobblerfone's the most suspicious, but I think you guys are also overeager.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm so sorry for not saying anything, but everything I want to say has already been said, and I have quite a few ideas, but nothing's popping out enough or obvious enough or me to feel confident about saying.

Sorry.

I do think earworm is town though, and Cobblerfone's the most suspicious, but I think you guys are also overeager.

Ok, I don't know what that was right there, I'm not thinking righ.

Ok, I don't know where overeager came from, and switch earworm and Cobblerfone's.

[jilynne1991]

Yes I do...sorry, I need to take some time to reread to give reads, so I'll get back to you guys wih reads before 48 houris pass, sorry.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, fine, I was kind of dreading this game, since this is the...most boring game...I'm in at the time and I wanted to ignore it as long as possible. Sorry, well, I'm back, and after rereading a couple of pages, I think I got a ton of ideas again.

It seems that I was only asked to give reads, but since I lacked effort earlier, I'll do one better. I'll add at least a line of explanation for each. If asked for more, I'll quote posts and/or go more in detail.

Also, I'm not sure if you anyone here has read the games where I was scum. (I never get bored in a game as scum.) I'm town.

[jilynne1991]

Cobblerfone-You make me wonder. You posts seem to mostly be town, but there are a few posts that seem like they could be from scum. You're leaning town for me.

Pine-I think you're null. I first had a big scum read on you, but that was only in the very beginning, and I think I was overreacting. You started to seem a little more like town, but not 100%. You haven't made an 180 turn...so I can still see you as scum. Actually, no, I think you're null to leaning town. My read on you is changing frequently, but at the moment, it's easier for me to see you as town, than as scum.

Nocmen-I think you're town. You have good content, your logic makes sense to me, and I haven't found any posts that make me significantly question you. I'm sure you could just be a very good player that's scum, but if I had to name the top 3 people that I think are most likely to be town, one of them would be you. My read on you is town and I don't expect it to change any time soon.

TheMask-You're exactly like Nocmen, but I don't know if it's a gut-feeling or what, but I feel like you could be scum. I have no evidence behind that, so I can't call you null or scum. You have good posts, but I'll be keeping my eye on you. I have you as town right now.

Quilford-Either I haven't been paying attention to you, or you don't have enough content for me to give a read on you. I think it's because I need to see more out of you. I know you don't seem scummy though, besides the fact that you're not posting much, because otherwise I would have noticed it. Therefore, for me, you could be anything from leaning scum to leaning town. I'm thinking you're from leaning scum to town, because in some past games, you had a lot more activity.

Surye- At first, I adamantly believe that you were town, but now, not so much. At first you had amazing content, and your logic all amde perfect sense, but now I feel like you stopped trying and working. You seemed so helpful to town in the beginning, now for you, it's just talk. You haven't done anything scummy (in my point of you) though, so I still have you as town. Unless you majorly screw up, but I'm pretty sure you're town. I'd like all the content and evidence back though. You're leaning town to town for me.

jilynne1991-I'm town. I trust my reading skills and the fact that the mod sent me the right role pm. I'm definitely town.

vezokprika - Your a VI...but somehow you just never turn out to be scum. You've always been null for me. You're the one person that if you said you were scum, I wouldn't believe you were. You're a null.

earworm-You seem scummy to me. You seem townie to me. You seem scummy again. You seem townie again. You leave me feeling so confused, but since you always play like this, I don't have much of a read. You're going from leaning scum to null for me at the moment. I have a question for you, and a yes or no will do. Do you play the same as town and as scum?

C-Worl-You're much like earworm, except I've always felt bad about you and I've always though you were scum. I need more evidence though, but you're the scummiest at the moment. You content isn't exactly up to par. I'd like more out of you.

Therefore: VOTE: C-Worl It can change, but I'm really questioning you right now.

PeregrineV- I believe you're town. Somehow, I'm so sure you're town, yet I'm not seeing the evidence that's backing up my feelings. So far, when I've felt this sure, I haven't been wrong yet. You're town in my point of view. Of course if any evidence comes up, I'll totally ignore my gut feelings, but this is just what I'm thinking at the moment. I think you're town.

Ironhead-I'm going to believe earworm and say you're town. I never thought you were scum, but you never stood out for me until now, for me to clearly mark you as town either. Of course, taking earworm's information into mind, it seems you must be town, unless he's lying, and somehow...I don't think he is. I think you're town too.

sorasgoof-You seem to be a good town player, but not good enough for me to take notice. You have good posts, and although you're activity level is that great, it's decent, and I'm also pretty sure you're town. I could see you as scum though, which sort of bothers me. I think you're leaning town to town.

Ok, I have to thank Amrun for the request and everyone who voted me, because when I got votes on me for no content, I realized I had to snap out of it, and now I like this game again. (For a while I was getting worried for a while, about having to replace out, since I was seriously dreading this game.)

[jilynne1991]

I want to shoot myself. This game is so freaking frustrating. Just saying, but I have no clue whatsoever how to find scum, so I'm just listening to other people and seeing if any case happens to be really persuasive.

One thing I'm so sure about, is that Surye is town. No freaking idea why I think that, but I have a feeling that's true. Also, I'm wavering on earworm's claim, so I kind of believe it, but I've always though ironhead was town, and since I partly believe the claim, that supports my thinking that ironhead is town. I would believe ironhead if town, even if the claim wasn't there, but I still distrust earworm.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I'm hammering.

VOTE: ToastyToast

Gawd, I have a sick feeling in my stomach.

[jilynne1991]

UGH, OMG, I WAS SO SURE I WOULDN'T MAKE A STUPID MISTAKE LIKE THIS!!! WHATEVER. IT'S MY FIRST ONE SO FAR.

[jilynne1991]

Ok, I was just going to say that I think vezok is town based on his meta and all that, but then I realized I've never seen him play as scum. Anyone care to link me to a few games you've played with him as scum or something. (I'm asking for that, so I can get a better meta on 2 people.)

Also, I don't usually use meta, but I just realized if I have a background of how everybody plays, it probably is useful.

[jilynne1991]

Somehow, I'm not seeing Chkflip as scum...I'll read up on his iso though.

[jilynne1991]

What the heck. No wonder I didn't see chkflip as scummy.

Ok, but seriously? Lynching someone for inactivity sucks.

[jilynne1991]

Oh...it looks like I'm having double standards...One second, I can't believe I honestly voted someone just for inactivity. Also, when you say you're just pressuring, doesn't that take most of the pressure off???

[jilynne1991]

LOL...was just trying to figure out how C-Worl connected with chkflip, until I suddenly realized. Ok, my brain's getting a little hazy...hmmm, I think working with a headache isn't a good idea. Anyways, I totally forgot he replaced in.

I can see chkflip as scum. VOTE: chkflip

[jilynne1991]

I'm willing to hammer vezo, since he's not much of a player and he's null for me.

Just waiting for you guys to finish up the discussion.

[jilynne1991]

OMG...what the heck?

Amrun, I don't see anything to say. When I saw everyone transfer their votes to chkflip, I had to admit, I'm really suprised votes change like that *snaps*.

I think town's screwed. Just saying.

[jilynne1991]

Oh wait nevermind, I forgot the setup of this game for a second. There's still only 3 mafia. (and a ton of pr's.) So nvmmmm.

[jilynne1991]

You guys...I am sooo sorry, but I really need to start cutting the crap out of my life, because I'm going to a math camp soon and then I'm trying to get into a boarding school, I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to leave mafiascum, sorry. I really wish I didn't have to leave everyone like this, but I really don't want to waste my summer. I know I should have thought of this earlier, and I'm sorry for the inconvenience it caused you guys.

[jilynne1991]

Sorry...I was planning to play through the summer, until I got a letter from a boarding academy, but since it's 40k a year, my parents are going to be mad at me if it's wasted and I really want to do well.