OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN

[DeityKabuto]

I have a feeling at least 1/4 scum hopped on my wagon. There is only 9 in this game, so the choices are more than likely. Everyone on my wagon will be one to investigate, and we can weed out the scum from there.

a. What are you asking?
b. Y
c. You want me to hammer myself?
d. I can not obligate to this, I am at L-1, all I can say is fuck off, I'm not scum.

Smh... Hopster town credits drained, can't we have a normal RVS?

[DeityKabuto]

I am not playing with hellonewman, he is dead to me, kthx, moving on...

[DeityKabuto]

What did you mean by this?

It means your townliness is deducted.

[DeityKabuto]

DK, how come you still haven't commented on the hypo-doc situation yet?

This is the first time I have heard the phrase "hypo-doc" so I have no clue what that is.

[DeityKabuto]

DK, how come you still haven't commented on the hypo-doc situation yet?

This is the first time I have heard the phrase "hypo-doc" so I have no clue what that is.

We all claim to be doctors and claim our targets. The currently discussed system is each person protects the person below him on the playerlist.

Then after tonight's results we can try and figure out who is what.

Oh well I just want to claim my doctor role already if that helps.

[DeityKabuto]

What was that? The wind was blowing.

[DeityKabuto]

Vote HellloooNewman

Frogboy (Hoppster), I am town you fucktard.

[DeityKabuto]

No feud. I just know that the game is better off without him.

Stfu you asshole. You are the lynch for today for wanting a mislynch.

[DeityKabuto]

This is scum chkflip posting.

[DeityKabuto]

They don't know our sanities any more than we do.

So, no, your explanation makes no sense to me.

It makes sense to me. Think of it this way. Say, the scum want to frame somebody (say Player A) as the Quack Doctor. They know that Player A is targeting Player B. They kill Player B. The chances are in their favor that they will kill someone that was NOT targeted by the real Quack Doc (simple probability).

Player B dies from the scum kill, and Player C dies from the REAL Quack Doc.

Through speculation, they push their agenda

that Player A MUST be the Quack Doc, and Player C MUST have been the scum kill (when it is in fact the opposite).

The next night, Player A thinks he is the Quack Doc (which he is not) and he doesn't use his protect (thereby making scum kills easier). And whoever targeted Player C doesn't realize that they are the real Quack Doc, so he protects again, leading to a kill.

Granted, this is a best case scenario for the scum, but still quite possible.

How do we decide who is scum and who is town? We talk, make reads and use our judgement. You can't tell me that you believe that on Day 2, if we have 2 dead townies, that we won't try and figure out which is which. And, when that happens, a strong scum player could talk us in circles.

No, my guts know that this is you playing like a scum.

[DeityKabuto]

Game is suffering from multiple lurkers and lack of contribution, there's about four players who need to post more and/or make their opinions known.

I don't have an opinion, I'll just go along with the group.

Actually, I do, but it involves Hello dying.

[DeityKabuto]

Plus I don't think 2v7 mountainous odds are good either.

I think I read that 2:10 is balanced. :/

Confirmed on the Wiki.

So the assumption appears to be that 7 flavors of Doctor allows for a lot more information gathering over time than 7 vanilla townies.

I think I'm probably confident enough at this stage to say that the 2 scum are in:

{Jilynne, tim_hill, DeityKabuto, Moratorium}

Not sure how I'm supposed to address the fact that you think I'm... the second worst townie? Thank you? I'm wierded out by this, it's like a reverse backhanded compliment.

PR:

I don't have an opinion, I'll just go along with the group.

Actually, I do, but it involves Hello dying.

Case? Anything outside of recent Ad Hominem back and forth? Because that's all you seem to be pushing.

I know but I don't want to meta his scumplay with ongoing games.

But in this game we played: Hard Boiled

He was scum, and he was being pretty hostile against me, I EVEN SAID HE WAS SCUM DAY 1, didn't have much evidence, it was kind of an OMGUS and because of his play, but nobody listened and they took his word for it and lynched me. He is being a bit hostile in this game too, and that is something to note of.

[DeityKabuto]

TROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

Unvote
Vote IceGuy

You seriously want a mis-lynch?

If not, get off my case, scum.

scum-trap

[DeityKabuto]

That's a terrible vote. Get a hold of yourself.

I am certain Newman and Iceman are both scum, Iceman has never played a game with me with increases the suspicion. Newman on the otherhand is pushing so hard for a DK lynch, it's like he wants the scum to live a free day.

[DeityKabuto]

I'm not pushing hard for a DK lynch. My "can we please kill this fucking guy" comments is less a serious comment and more a "see everyone, this guy IS an idiot" type of comment.

DK is pushing for me way harder than I am him.

Despite my misgivings, in the spirit of cooperation (and to move the game along) I will cooperate with the hypo plan.

I had to lol. Is this you attempting to play like a town or is this another Anti-town comment?

[DeityKabuto]

DK, please give your case on IceGuy.

So far, it appears your case is "Because he voted for me", and "I've never played with him before".

Well in games that people aren't familiar with me, they tend to want to vote me because I am a so called "easy lynch" for the day, and from time to time, scum happen to be one of those people who do this.

[DeityKabuto]

Btw lol, my gut is saying tim_hill is not the best lynch for today o_0

He is one of those cases, you have to wait until after-flip to get solid evidence.

[DeityKabuto]

Vote tim_hill1990

HAMMER-BAMMER

I am just following suit, I am sure there are scum on his wagon, and tim_hill is just an easy lynch/innocent town. No taking back your actions now, no unvoting, cause it's been decided. All 4 of you on the wagon are main suspects.

[DeityKabuto]

So a couple of things:

1) That wasn't a hammer.

2) DK obviously is looking to avoid the hypoclaim.

yes it aws

[DeityKabuto]

LOL, in a past game, I said I was scum, and DK still voted the other guy. Not to mention, this was after the game ended, since I self-hammered.

DK, you should really try reading the thread some time.

Erm, I still won as town. XD

But your play style sounds a bit too convincing.

Unvote

[DeityKabuto]

Since you haven't posted any reads even though I and other players have asked you to,

I have given reads.

I am just following suit, I am sure there are scum on his wagon, and tim_hill is just an easy lynch/innocent town. No taking back your actions now, no unvoting, cause it's been decided. All 4 of you on the wagon are main suspects.

So you voted for me even though you don't think i'm scum and just innocent town? Righto..

Tim Hill, why is taking control of town a scum tell?

Why do you think outting people as town is a bad thing?

Didn't say it was a scumtell, I just don't like it, I also don't like how a few people seem to have written off him and a few others (such as yourself) as town because giving good discussion etc. I don't think activity levels make the scum, that's more a playstyle.
Outting people as town is great, except no one is ever confirmed until they flip.
Scum can play just about any way they want to so I wouldn't be surprised if the "towniest" players turn out scum.

So a couple of things:

1) That wasn't a hammer.

2) DK obviously is looking to avoid the hypoclaim.

I wouldn't read too much into his actions, he strikes me as a very random player, often saying or doing without explanation.

Hey hey, in this small game, there's always the chance you could be scum. Now you are trying to take advantage of the situation. And I DO not know what hypoclaim means, stop using foreign terminology.

[DeityKabuto]

Since you haven't posted any reads even though I and other players have asked you to,

I have given reads.

One, which you are now backing away from. Give more

quote="Amrun"]Tim Hill, why is taking control of town a scum tell?

Why do you think outting people as town is a bad thing?

Didn't say it was a scumtell, I just don't like it, I also don't like how a few people seem to have written off him and a few others (such as yourself) as town because giving good discussion etc. I don't think activity levels make the scum, that's more a playstyle.
Outting people as town is great, except no one is ever confirmed until they flip.
Scum can play just about any way they want to so I wouldn't be surprised if the "towniest" players turn out scum.[
/quote]

But that's why you said Hoppster was scum in the last post you made. How is doing something you don't like indicative of Hoppster's alignment?

No one is calling me or anyone town due to activity level.

If outing people as town is a good thing but they can't be confirmed, why post "But wouldn't that out people as town?" As an issue with hypodocing?


DK: we've been talking about hypoclaiming all game. Please read.

Everyone: P sure tim is scum and the "outing town" thing was a scumslip. And if he is, DK likely buddy.

I wasn't bussin tim, my intentions were self-ish for scum hunting, plus WHO'S TO SAY YOUR NOT SCUM TAKING THIS AS AN ADVANTAGE TO APPEAR TOWN, HUH????

[DeityKabuto]

Scumhunting isn't selfish. "I wasn't bussing tim!" as in, "I'm scum, but I wasn't bussing!" That's how I read it.

Oh, God. DK might really be scum.

I'm conflicted now.

It's selfish because lynching somebody for scumhunting reasons is a gambit.

[DeityKabuto]

Vote Amrun

I can see him as scum, and later in the game, if he does flip, you guys owe me.

[DeityKabuto]

Why didn't you wait until Amrun had four votes on him, you totally missed out on quickhammering him.

I am starting my own leads.

[DeityKabuto]

Amrun is obv scum by the way he posts, and how he continues to babble about DK, move on, like seriously. o.O

HelloNewman is scum because of his agressive posting style and he will bite on anyone who questions his towniliness, like really. o.O

[DeityKabuto]

So summary of the cases on the top three (tied) vote getters as far as I can tell.

DK -> Mishammered, attempting to avoid hypodoc'ing.
Jillynne -> Fence-sitting, "contributing very little (ISO) and she seems to be trying very hard to remain polite and impassive in her posting style."
tim_hill1991 -> Initial sheeping (followed by long Amrun-tim back and forth that makes summarizing the case difficult), did not initially give reads when prompted.

Questions for the wagoneers:

DeityKabuto, what is your opinion of hypodoc'ing, and why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a strategy?
Jillynne, give me your top three scum reads, why they are scum reads, and explain why you have yet to cast a vote so far this game.
Tim_Hill1991, why did you initially refuse to give reads on players?

And one more:

Amrun, please give me a summary of your case on Tim_Hill1991, what would you consider to be the most salient points raised in your back and forth conversation with him that convince you of his scummyness.

I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.

[DeityKabuto]

DK - Scum or town, excellent lynch. The quickhammer attempt is the sort of simple scumtell that he'd have.

And my vote is not on Jill because it is on DK. Despite thinking he is a step away from full blown retard, I think he is scum AND today's best lynch.

What made you change your opinion on DK's alignment?

I will only go along with hypo-docing if everyone else will actually do it because I don't want people to agree and not do anything, that would only help scum, since the people who are scum came up with the hypo-docing idea and they can say"WELL IT WAS MY IDEA SO WHAT MAKES YOU THINK I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING". I really think it's idiotic and that people will say they agree but they wont do it.

Why should anybody not hypo-doc (except scum, of course, and maybe VIs)? Is there any pro-town reason to not hypodoc?

Also, why do you think hypo-doc'ing is "idiotic" and what is your alternative to hypo-doc'ing?

My alternative is at the start of D2, everyone claim if the roles are announced during Death. Because even the people who agree for hypo-doc probably wont do it, and they can lie. It's not that much a reliable method, since not everyone is confirmed to co-op with the hypo-doc just because they say they will discarding the two scum.

[DeityKabuto]

Newman, and Moratorium, off my wagon.

You don't want a mislynch today or do you?

My wagon is not the best choice, if you'd ask me, and this is coming from an outsider's perspective.

[DeityKabuto]

EBWOP: Also, am I scum or town in your opinion?

Scum

It doesn't matter if others think you are town or scum, it matters what you THINK, if you know you're town then who cares if you're L-1, it's others fault for thinking that way. So TELL ME are you scum or town? Be honest, if you are scum, then just say so, nobody will be mad or anything.

[DeityKabuto]

this is the fourth time I ask this question, it has been ignored the previous three.

DeityKabuto, why did you attempt to hammer a vote before anyone had the chance to settle on a hypodoc strategy?

My hammer attempt had nothing to do with hypodocing thing, I didn't know what hypodocing ment at the time, so your logic is flawed, sir.

[DeityKabuto]

You know who lies? Scum, that's who.

You are trying to start a case on yourself, now?

[DeityKabuto]

Town won't get any information.

That for one, and I am a doctor, if you ordered me to, I would go to the depths of screenshotting my role PM, wouldn't the game be easier if things were as simple as that? But I consider that cheating, so No, but you have to trust me on this one, the all of you.

[DeityKabuto]

DK, that was a fast claim. Not to mention, that doesn't mean very much, because of course you wouldn't claim scum, I don't believe you're that stupid, and I don't think you would claim VT either, because that means nothing.

Last time I checked, you're only supposed to claim if you're at L-1, and you have someone willing and and ready to hammer. You're not at that position, are you?

Someone's getting a little paranoid and jumpy.

You can claim whenever the fuck you want to, nobody goes by those stupid rules anymore!

[DeityKabuto]

Hi i'm back.
Was it Iceguy who asked me a question? Something about why did I not give reads when prompted?
Reason> Wasn't asked nicely, it was demanded from me. I don't like that.

@DK> I really don't understand why you play like you do, it kind of ruins it for other people.
Please answer the question properly> WHY did you try to quickhammer me? What was your reasoning?

Stop trying to pull the innocent townie act, BY ASKING ME THIS IT DOESNT CLEAR YOU FROM TOWN, I know your true intentions, don't try to hid it, scum.

[DeityKabuto]

Everyone with a vote one is delusional. They are too lazy to scumhunt so they just easy-vote-my-ass.

That is bullshit, what has this game become?

[DeityKabuto]

Vote jilynne1991

jilynne1991, why are you so quicky to end this day and lynch DeityKabuto, EH? o.O

[DeityKabuto]

Roles aren't revealed through death, so we should all just claim now.

I say, now is the time to claim, starting with the first on the list to the last, counter-claims are welcomed and we lynch who we think is lying.

[DeityKabuto]

Roles aren't revealed through death, so we should all just claim now.

I say, now is the time to claim, starting with the first on the list to the last, counter-claims are welcomed and we lynch who we think is lying.

Also we will keep repeating this, we will keep lynching who we think is lying until it is down to no scum.

[DeityKabuto]

whoops double post

DK GO READ THE SETUP INFORMATION RIGHT NOW

Lol? Explain.

You know ordering me around, I will mess up.

[DeityKabuto]

whoops double post

DK GO READ THE SETUP INFORMATION RIGHT NOW

Lol? Explain.

You know ordering me around, I will mess up.

Do you understand that a mass claim will result in 9 Doctor claims? Answer please, this is important.

I understand, which is why my system will also allow counter-claims which means people can counter-claim, and the lynch will be the town who are the ones to decide who is lying or not.

Also, I don't get why you guys disagree with this, there is nothing wrong with it. It will spice up the game, and only scum would have a problem with it, because it would cause turmoil to the scumteam if they dont play it safe.

[DeityKabuto]

retriplesupervote DeityKabuto

The boring people in this world.

[DeityKabuto]

I'm assuming he got his scum role PM, didn't read the game, assumed everyone got their PM with specific doctor details, and, not realizing this, now thinks a mass claim will actually reveal useful information.

Haha, Moratorium. BUT THE THING IS... I forgot roles aren't revealed after death, but your logic is good too.

[DeityKabuto]

But I'm a little annoyed how tim_hill continually dodged answering m questions about his conflicting DK/Hoppster read and "resolved" it by reversing his read on Hoppster.

P-edit: make it stop.

Well I dunno', if roles aren't revealed upon death then it's hard to determine the progress we've made.

[DeityKabuto]

Claim: Paranoid Doctor

You may protect one person at night from a kill.

[DeityKabuto]

My claims are always honest, I even claimed scum one game and got myself lynched for it, because I knew my time was coming to an end. I have never lied about my claim on this Mafia site.

[DeityKabuto]

I'm basically ready to hammer since DK just claimed scum. Just need to iron out hypodocs.

Everyone protect the person below you. Person at the bottom of the list, protect the person at the top.

I am not scum, I am a power role, you are scum for saying that!

[DeityKabuto]

You're an idiot.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

Explain wtf you are talking about o.o

[DeityKabuto]

Real doctors do not know their own sanities, for starters.

You're lying. YOU'RE SCUM. MY ROLE IS EXACTLY HOW IT IS ON THE FIRST POST, YOU'RE LYING, THIS WAS YOUR SCUM PLAN ALL ALONG, AMRUN, I WAS RIGHT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WANTING TO HYPODOC BEING SCUM, LYNCH AMRUN NEXT, PLEASE, AT THE END OF THIS GAME, YOU WILL ALL SEE I WASN'T LYING, AMRUN'S LOGIC DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE, HE IS LYING.

[DeityKabuto]

Real doctors do not know their own sanities, for starters.

YOU WOULDN'T KNOW BECAUSE YOUR NOT A REAL DOCTOR, SCUMSLIP. YOU ARE SCUM SO HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

[DeityKabuto]

You're an idiot.

VOTE: DeityKabuto

IM AN IDIOT? ROFL. YOU JUST MISLYNCHED A TOWNIE WITH A SUCKY EXCUSE, YOU ARE NEXT.

[DeityKabuto]

Dude. Everyone knows it but you. The only people not getting a doctor pm are scum and the burse - and I am neither.

Yea, but I got a doctor pm so wtf are you talking about, your logic is twisted or you misunderstood something

[DeityKabuto]

YOU CLAIMED PARANOID DOCTOR

THAT IS LITERALLY NOT POSSIBLE

Fine, it didn't say Paranoid Doctor in my role PM but I am assuming I am paranoid since on the topic is has the list of roles and it says Paranoid is the role blocker. SO IT IS POSSIBLE.

[DeityKabuto]

Sorry, but that was a mislynch. I thought that the first post shows what role name you are if it corresponds with your PM.

So assuming my role said I can block roles, I was the Paranoid Doctor.

[DeityKabuto]

Well, I think Amrun knew my true intention all along, and was scum trying to hammer, but once the game is end, I am right and you will see.