OPEN 310 - Medical Mafia - TOWN WIN
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I also said it was null, ftr.
Hypodoc still a yes from me. 1st night doing the playerlist thing is okay but at some point we need to move away from that, asap.
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Does a quck doc kill his target? I thought it just didn't work on him.-
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Oh I see.
So, potentially, the weak, quack, and cpr docs could all die tonight, hoo boy. Plus a potential scumkill.
Our lynch today needs to not suck.-
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Also, maybe nurse claims before the hammer?-
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Deity Kabuto, please attempt English.
Everyone else, discussion time is go, if you hadn't figured it out.-
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DeityKabuto wrote:Hoppster wrote:DK, how come you still haven't commented on the hypo-doc situation yet?
This is the first time I have heard the phrase "hypo-doc" so I have no clue what that is.
We all claim to be doctors and claim our targets. The currently discussed system is each person protects the person below him on the playerlist.
Then after tonight's results we can try and figure out who is what.-
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It doesn't, really. Everyone's a doctor but the nurse and the 2 scum, who will claim doctor.-
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I disagree on Moratorium.
I am sitting very null leaning scum on HN, but I just nailed him as scum so I'm choosing to ignore that as possible bias.
I agree on jilly, but I have a feeling she's an easy mislynch.
I KNOW DK is an easy mislynch.
That makes me wary since mislynching today can potentially lose us the game.
Need more from timhill. I played a newbie with him once and he was lurky, easily readable scum. That was a long time ago, and I don't know anything else about him.-
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chkflip, explain how hypoclaiming benefits scum more. Break it down.-
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They don't know our sanities any more than we do.
So, no, your explanation makes no sense to me.-
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Exactly; town isn't going to arbitrarily assume scumkill etc. We will account for all possibilities.-
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Explain how that wouldn't happen if we didn't hypodoc.
It's a good way to detect scummy behavior.-
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HellloooNewman wrote:True, but think about this. If the scenario I spelled out were to happen, the scum would know who the QD is and exploit that fact. Without the claims, they won't have extra intel over us.
I think that is what it boils down to. Going through with the hypo doc stuff gives the scum way more information than it gives the town.
Incorrect. Scum might be able to narrow down weak/quack/cpr doc, but SO CAN WE. That's excellent information for us.
We have to lynch perfectly in this game to win, basically. We need all the information we can get.
If we play this game blindly, we will lose.-
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HN: Scum won't do any better knowing our quack than we will. We will likely have two doctors plus a probable scumkill tonight dead. They'll know which one was theirs, but no more. And we could have 4 dead tonight.
If we mislynch tonight, we might lose. Either way, tomorrow is probably lylo.
We need all the information we can get or we lose. Period. If we just let it go willynilly, 9/10 we lose.
Forcing this structure gives us an expected behavior we can judge scum by.-
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That just turns it into a mountainous. I didn't sign up to play a mountainous. I am playing. High stakes mountainous right now. And I would not have joined this if it were mountainous.
Plus I don't think 2v7 mountainous odds are good either.
I want to test the setup. Ultimately I think it's too scumfavored, but we can't work out the kinks unless we utilize it.-
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HellloooNewman wrote:Scum will know our quack. They know who they killed. They would know who targeted them (via the hypo docing). So, if that person died, they would know that the CPR Doc is dead. Hence, another death would be the Quack.
That is not how the CPR doc works. Read the rules and come back.-
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Except it's not. All 3 of them existing changes things drastically.-
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Chkflip is no longer in the game...
I'm having a hard time distinguishing between "townie making a bad argument" and "scum trying to push a bad plan" with Hello Newman.-
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That's a terrible vote. Get a hold of yourself.-
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Sadly, I am fairly certain DK is town.
Jilynne, please try expressing some opinions that are not sheeps of me.
What do you think about hypodocing? Why?-
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Yes, explain in detail what you mean by holes, and then why you agreed to it in the survey.
And Deity Kabuto has been this mad at mislynches in the past and the early doctor claim says to me that DK is likely town (didn't understand the set-up). This is not a bring-to-LyLo townread, but for today, I do not want to lynch DK.-
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What? Please explain what you just said because I don't think it was in English.-
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I am actually starting to agree about Newman, but Ice Guy isn't pushing for a policy lybnch at all. Ice Guy is sooo town.
You look scummy to him because you look scummy to everyone. Don't you get that? Someone who hasn't played with you is more likely to suspect you, not less.-
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Take this situation:
X agrees to protect Y. Y agrees to protect X.
X dies.
Explain to me the possible causes of X's death - all of them.
Read the rules and the thread again to help you.
You're only superficiially reading, so I want to make sure you understand the subject at hand before conntinuing here.-
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You are only skimming and not truly comprehending what you have read.
No, you are not right.
Try again.-
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Regardless of time spent, you are not fully comprehending what has been written. I'm trying to help you.-
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I'd feel more comfortable if you understood it.-
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It isn't foolproof.
In the situation outlined above, either:
Y is scum and killed X
Y is scum and X is a weak doctor
Y is a quack doctor
Y is a CPR doctor and no one else protected X
Y is a naive doctor and scum killed X
Y is nurse and scum killed X
Even though that's a large pool, it helps us narrow things down.
It's not going to tell us "Y IS DEFINITELY SCUM GAIZ!"
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Timhill is complaining about work... And then says the advantage is scum have to work.
He also totally ignores reads.
Timhill, why did you agree with hypodocing in the questions if you didn't understand it and don't like it?
Who do you suspect?
VOTE: Time_Hill-
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Hoppster and Quilford, why haven't you unvoted DK?-
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Ugh.
Unvote
VOTE: tim_hil1990
Sheeping me now, eh?-
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IceGuy, to be fair, he did give one read.
Tim Hill, why is taking control of town a scum tell?
Why do you think outting people as town is a bad thing?-
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If it was, for the love of god, protect the person below you on the list.-
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A mislynch could cost us the game... It is not the game for policy lynches.-
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tim_hill1990 wrote:IceGuy wrote:Since you haven't posted any reads even though I and other players have asked you to,
I have given reads.
One, which you are now backing away from. Give more
tim_hil1990 wrote:quote="Amrun"]Tim Hill, why is taking control of town a scum tell?
Why do you think outting people as town is a bad thing?
Didn't say it was a scumtell, I just don't like it, I also don't like how a few people seem to have written off him and a few others (such as yourself) as town because giving good discussion etc. I don't think activity levels make the scum, that's more a playstyle.
Outting people as town is great, except no one is ever confirmed until they flip.
Scum can play just about any way they want to so I wouldn't be surprised if the "towniest" players turn out scum.[
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But that's why you said Hoppster was scum in the last post you made. How is doing something you don't like indicative of Hoppster's alignment?
No one is calling me or anyone town due to activity level.
If outing people as town is a good thing but they can't be confirmed, why post "But wouldn't that out people as town?" As an issue with hypodocing?
DK: we've been talking about hypoclaiming all game. Please read.
Everyone: P sure tim is scum and the "outing town" thing was a scumslip. And if he is, DK likely buddy.-
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Scumhunting isn't selfish. "I wasn't bussing tim!" as in, "I'm scum, but I wasn't bussing!" That's how I read it.
Oh, God. DK might really be scum.
I'm conflicted now.-
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jilly, there aren't many posts to read. Read them.-
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tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun wrote:
If outing people as town is a good thing but they can't be confirmed, why post "But wouldn't that out people as town?" As an issue with hypodocing?
Not as an issue, it'd be a good thing to out people as town, if it works/
I didn't say the hypo-docing is a bad thing, i'm all for it.
It really sounds like an issue in your original post.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun wrote:
One, which you are now backing away from. Give more
Am I?
How am I "backing away from"?
And no I won't give more, not if you ask me like that.
Amrun wrote:But that's why you said Hoppster was scum in the last post you made. How is doing something you don't like indicative of Hoppster's alignment?
No one is calling me or anyone town due to activity level.
He does something i don't like (takes control at the start), this seems scummy to me, I think he's scum> need more explanation?
This is how you're backing away from it.
tim_hill1990 wrote:
I suspect, Hoppster to be honest, I don't like the way he's tried to take control of the game from the start. I know he started the whole hypo doc thing, but that doesn't clear him for me. In fact it makes me more suspicious because it's an easy way for himself to look town, practically clearing his name in the process. Hence my vote still on him.
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Amrun wrote:Tim Hill, why is taking control of town a scum tell?
Why do you think outting people as town is a bad thing?
Didn't say it was a scumtell, I just don't like it, I also don't like how a few people seem to have written off him and a few others (such as yourself) as town because giving good discussion etc. I don't think activity levels make the scum, that's more a playstyle.
Outting people as town is great, except no one is ever confirmed until they flip.
Scum can play just about any way they want to so I wouldn't be surprised if the "towniest" players turn out scum.
First, you say Hoppster is scum and talk about him taking control of the town. Then, I ask you how it's a scumtell, and you say IT ISN'T! Then, you say that it is what seems scummy to you in your next post. You're contradicting yourself all over the place. You're trying to paint a so far very pro-town player in a bad light but you're nervous about doing so. You were trying to come off of your scumread after being attacked for it, but then when I attack you for doing that, it's like that post never happened.
Also, I shouldn't have to ask you for reads and refusing to give them is super anti-town.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Does anyone think you or Hoppster are scum? And I know someone, possibly you, commented on iceguy? Something along the lines of "cool so iceguy is town" based on his one post. Seems almost like self clearing posts there.
DeityKabuto wrote:And I DO not know what hypoclaim means, stop using foreign terminology.
Firstly I didn't use that 'terminology' in that post you quoted, secondly read up on it.
From my understanding everyone agrees to protect the person below them on the player list and then with the night's results work out who is what role
@anyone> couldn't scum choose to not NK someone in this game, thus fucking up all these so called avenues for working out claims etc/
The above is more nervous waffling about town clearing other people as town. You're trying to sow the seeds of dissension in the town. We need to cooperate with each other to win this game. This level of trying to discredit others' townreads - UNIVERSALLY - is a definite scum tell for me.
And scum could choose to NK, but that's not a big issue. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It's unlikely that happens anyway.
tim, if calling anyone town is so dangerous and bad, then why are you trying to clear DK as town? If Hoppster trying to break the game is so pro-town that you think it's scum hatching a scheme to try and look town and get cleared and all clears are bad, then why is DK different?-
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DeityKabuto wrote:Amrun wrote:Scumhunting isn't selfish. "I wasn't bussing tim!" as in, "I'm scum, but I wasn't bussing!" That's how I read it.
Oh, God. DK might really be scum.
I'm conflicted now.
It's selfish because lynching somebody for scumhunting reasons is a gambit.
This does not make sense and I'm not sure it is English. Next post will be a response to tim.-
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tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun wrote:First, you say Hoppster is scum and talk about him taking control of the town. Then, I ask you how it's a scumtell, and you say IT ISN'T! Then, you say that it is what seems scummy to you in your next post. You're contradicting yourself all over the place. You're trying to paint a so far very pro-town player in a bad light but you're nervous about doing so. You were trying to come off of your scumread after being attacked for it, but then when I attack you for doing that, it's like that post never happened.
Also, I shouldn't have to ask you for reads and refusing to give them is super anti-town.
It's not contradictory, I don't consider it to be specifically a scumtell.
It's more a sort of out there kind of theory about him and the whole hypo-doc kind of theory. I just like to think outside the box, you have to admit if this was the case with hoppster and he was hatching some sort of super plan for this game, we'd all probably be screwed.
It kinda came about because I was reading the thread and thinking to myself, or gettting the impression, that everyone now just assumes that Hoppster and everyone super supporting hypo-doc are town. To write off people as town, just because they appear to be super active and super townie looking, I think would be a mistake.
However I'll admit it's a far fetched theory, so long as people aren't settling in their reads though i'll be happy.
I may have reasons not to give reads, are you saying I should post my reads on everyone at all times, without provocation? I don't see everyone doing that either...
See, what you're saying here is that the reason you find Hoppster scummy isn't a scumtell and that the ONLY REASON you find your top scumread scummy is that he is being so pro-town that it would be really bad for town if he was secretly scum.
That is not a scumread. Try again.
And yes, you should post your reads at all times without provocation. Through people's scumhunting and reads, we can gather what they think (although most people should be posting more reads as well). You're not scumhunting AND you're not posting reads.
And this is not a Newbie game that I am ICing, even though it feels like that, so you don't get a pass here and I'll scumhunt you as I please.
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun wrote:
The above is more nervous waffling about town clearing other people as town. You're trying to sow the seeds of dissension in the town. We need to cooperate with each other to win this game. This level of trying to discredit others' townreads - UNIVERSALLY - is a definite scum tell for me.
And what if the people you are cooperating with are scum?
You not liking that i'm casting doubt on other's townieness is interesting, almost like i'm hiting on some sort of truth.
I just want to avoid (as I said above) people assuming others are town, and then us losing because we overlooked other people.
Amrun wrote:tim, if calling anyone town is so dangerous and bad, then why are you trying to clear DK as town? If Hoppster trying to break the game is so pro-town that you think it's scum hatching a scheme to try and look town and get cleared and all clears are bad, then why is DK different?
Because DK is the kind of player we would mislynch, he's impossible to make sense of. I think you brought that up yourself.
What truth would you be supposedly hitting at? Do you suspect me, tim? If so, why? These vague accusations on things that are not scumtells will not get you anywhere.
No one is suggesting giving anyone a white horse to ride into endgame with for a townie pass. In particular I want to avoid this with Hoppster. But we still must narrow our lynchpool for today. That is how the game works.
It does seem to be what you are suggesting for DK, though. Let me get this straight: we should lynch Hoppster because it would be really bad for town if he was scum because of his apparent pro-town behavior, but DK is unreadable so we should not lynch him?
I know you are nervous that too many people are calling each other town and nobody is calling you town, tim, but you're going to have to think a little bit more before you post if you want to last very long in this game. /IC cap
tim_hill1990 wrote:Amrun wrote:And scum could choose to NK, but that's not a big issue. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. It's unlikely that happens anyway.
I think it is an issue, what if say someone was designated to protect someone underneath them, and that person survives the night and no kills were made that night. But the person protecting was scum?
Or a situation in which we all think "cool nobody died, guess these people must all be doc's" or something like that? Scum doing that could throw this theory completely.
No. We would not be scumhunting or clearing people in this manner ever. Please endeavor to understand the subject at hand.-
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How do tim hill's answers seem satisfactory to you?
Also, jilynne isn't lying about being 13 and in a billion games. *sigh*-
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What do you think of his suspicion on Hoppster in contrast with his townread on DK?-
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Your age is on your profile, I'm assuming. I've seen you say you're in middle school.
And I just think you're taking on too much and not giving each game the commitment it needs. I also occassionally play a lot of games, but our level of commitment is not the same. Post count isn't really what counts here, btw.
But that's your business.
P-edit: I like tim's answers. *sigh* I must think and re-read now.
P-edit 2: Good catch, jilynne, but if so, why no vote?
Jily's jumpiness at perceived threats is a scumtell - but it's also a newb tell, so I can't decide.-
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But all of your "slips" are things you perceive to be threats to you. It's unreliable in newbies, though.
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That happens, but it's not always the best way to find scum.-
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It truly concerns me that the top subjects of suspicion and discussion are the three most handicapped players.
HelloNewman, please post your reads and link me to some town neta of yours, since I am unfamiliar with that.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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I checked over DK the lst time I mislynched him... Meta fits, I think. DK is town.
I get distracted by the shiny sometimes, but I won't lynch DK today.-
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Amrun Killed the Radio Star
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