DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[Swift Justice]

Total war is fun though!

And wait, how is there 2 nightkills from the SK and Mafia? Aren't both phases just skipped, so like Defcon 4 we get troop choices, and we skip straight to Defcon 1 where we can go nuclear?

[Swift Justice]

Please sign your posts. kthx.

Unsigned posts are Faraday. (I mean if you

really

can't tell from typing style, that is)

Total War is more fun, let's do that.

[Swift Justice]

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HELLO TO YOU TOO, KATSUKI.

[Swift Justice]

Calm down Kats, I'm not that easy, we barely even know each other! Are you drunnnnnnnnnk by any chance? YOU SOUND DRUNK.

[Swift Justice]

Anyone with a nuke in defensive mode will be lynched on site. No questions asked. It's a scumclaim. We're not fucking around with 'teehee if you're not confident in your reads' garbage.

[Swift Justice]

Noooooope.

scum 2 then.

NOPE.JPG. take it to the fucking bank. I want to hear what she's got but her even saying that strikes me as a strong town tell.

V/la! Canada time!

[Swift Justice]

mina/magua/pooky/kats are all town before i go.

lld needs to die, btw. like quickly.

[Swift Justice]

Mina is a "I promised content and haven't given any" thing. Removable upon the time she actually, you k ow, provides the promised content.

lol

[Swift Justice]

However, Swift, I would be very interesting in knowing exactly how you managed to wrangle a town read from me after one "Post later." Are you scum again, Faraday?

Oh, and where did your LLD scum read come from?

I'm never scum, so no. Your post shows you're at least thinking about breaking the game - townish, there's then the fact you as scum would have to come up with some sort of legit sounding gamebreaking plan, I just don't see Minascum opening like that. I also tend to notice in your town games you like to talk/think about the mechanics to some degree, you did in metamafia and of gods and men too, I think as scum you'd probably be less interested in discussing that.

LLD scumread came from me reading her posts, where else would it come from?

I like Katsuki's counterintelligence plan, actually. Nuking on site is always a good option.

[Swift Justice]

I'd like to take the opportunity to say right now that a hez lynch cannot possibly be something I will regret at this point. If you're town, hez, please don't take the Submarine or something, cause you're so anti-town that you're going to be lynched eventually.

OH GOD STOP THE PAIN IT BURNS IT BURNS.

[Swift Justice]

Ooba's also probably town. His wiki lacks scum games with funky mechanics to check, but he tends to veer into this sort of set-up talk as town quite a lot. I mean he spent the whole fucking first day of Encore mafia making lists.

[Swift Justice]

hey dana is HEZZZZZZZZZZ just a bad townie?

[Swift Justice]

keep being clever. there's no saving you.

[Swift Justice]

Actually, look, it turns out that I

didn't

come up with a legit-sounding gamebreaking plan. Clearly I either wasn't trying very hard, or decided to withhold it to harm the town.

+5 scumpoints for not coming up with a plan when you said you would.

And hey, I'm not interested in mechanics at all this game. I don't care whether you choose Air Base or Fallout Shelter or Counter. I've just announced that I'm going to lurk until DEFCON 3.

+10! lurking as anti town and only scum would do it.

Looks like you should be losing your town read of me.

why would a townie say this? fos: mina

By the way, just curious, do you think I talked/thought about the mechanics in DEFCON 2.0 (in which I was scum)?

why are you bringing up a game you replaced into as a valid point. +1

(Actually, okay, I lied. One point about mechanics:

someone

had better put Eavesdrop on the list, at the very least. Speaking as scum, it's extremely demoralizing not to be able to communicate and strategize with your team freely. If you're average at cryptography, just post the messages in the thread circa Day Three-ish.)

EXCEPT YOU NEVER HAD BUDDIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH LAST GAME. LYING = SCUMMY. stop trying to fill the town with paranoia, scumbag.

I hate you.

lynch all liars.

OUTPLAYED. MY TOWN READ WAS A TRAP AND YOU FELL RIGHT INTO IT.


on a non self amusement note, Hezlucky is prob town, the only think I don't like is his talk about not clearing people who nuke scum, it felt a bit weird but other than that he looks like a good guy.

[Swift Justice]

gorilla, what do you think of regfan?

[Swift Justice]

stop trying to discredit me by saying my posts aren't serious. what do you think of my points?

[Swift Justice]

(it was pretty obviously a fucking joke, I'm not going to change my town read on her just because

she

thinks I should, in fact since she didn't even see why she was a town read in the first place, idc)

thanks gorilla, yeah meant this game, sure he's a swell guy in general.

[Swift Justice]

>_>

Now you're just playing with me. Were the points you raised against her "a fucking joke" or was the comment about being "self-amusement" the joke?

Help me here. Sarcasm detection is not functioning properly right now.

all my posts amuse me. all the points i raised against mina were sarcastic jibes for her saying 'you shouldn't find me town now' plus imagining her reaction to it is funny.

[Swift Justice]

This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums.

For showing a distaste in poor arguments. lolk

QUADZ IS THAT YOU? QUADZ?

[Swift Justice]

SEE: PICK YOUR POWER

quoted for glee.

[Swift Justice]

This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums.

For showing a distaste in poor arguments. lolk

QUADZ IS THAT YOU? QUADZ?

so he's your teammate you're turbobussing then, is it?

nah, it did give me the same vibe as some of the things quadz responded with early on in metamafia.

[Swift Justice]

But yes, I do find it off that you were quick to call me town for very weak reasons, so fresh after being fooled by me as scum (note to everyone else: I'm referring to an off-site game). Didn't you even say in the Queue thread that you can't read me? You said it was because I discussed set-up mechanics. Except I actually didn't discuss set-up mechanics at all; I just promised to get around to it and never did. And you've also seen me discuss the set-up as scum.

sigh just because YOU'RE paranoid about me (and you are, and it's amusing) doesn't mean I'm going to play like that. i trust myself completely to read anyone accurately. i mean sure if i consistently read you wrong you might have a point...but I don't, and you don't. you were trying to figure out a way to use the set-up to our advantage that's more likely to come from mina town. i don't see you making that post as scum and tried to articulate why, because you asked. you only discussed set-up mechanics in malazan because you had no choice, iirc.

equinox is now catching up I believe, and you get a +5 for calling me amusing, that is buddying.

[Swift Justice]

Reg, It is a common occurence (in my experience) for scum to simply declare a player "town" for no apparent reason because it is an easy read to make (they know they aren't wrong) and it makes the town player less likely to want to lynch them (because the other player has correctly 'figured' out theri alignment) and it looks as if the scum is doing something.

YEAH I AGREE MAN.

[Swift Justice]

Mina actually makes a good point against swift justice. (about recieving a town read before doing anything) Too often I see scum throwing out town reads in an attempt to 'get in the good books' of town players, making themself a less attractive lynch target.

I CALLED HER TOWN FOR HER FIRST POST. I GUESS I'M JUST GOOD ENOUGH TO BASE A READ ON THAT HUH?

[Swift Justice]

likin' regfan better. his reads look pretty decent, actually.

[Swift Justice]

and yeah, SDC's plan has holes in it. i'd be up for it if not, there's another potential problem that hasn't been pointed out too, but yeah,.

[Swift Justice]

computer says no SpyreX

[Swift Justice]

anyone who says shit like i quoted in 347 is going to get yelled at. it's my biggest pet peeve in mafia.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

This is the other head of the hydra checking in. I'm actually in the middle of reading the thread, but Faraday asked me to do some yelling at ToastyToast because he's getting ready to leave. Since I have no idea what I'm supposed to be yelling about, I'll just pick cherries here and have my fun while Faraday isn't here.

Seriously, stop changing your mind if you want

stop trying to discredit me by saying my posts aren't serious. what do you think of my points?

This to happen.

Both Faraday and I are quite prone to changing our minds, so this isn't going to happen anytime soon. Moreover, if you don't think Faraday's maneuver with Mina was a gambit, what do you think it was supposed to achieve? I know gut says one thing and one thing only -- and that's "twitch" -- but work with me a little.

(srsly, sign your sig its confusing)

I sign my posts. Faraday doesn't. Also, I type more long-winded posts than Faraday does.

Well, that was... um, quick? Back to reading, then. If there's something that requires immediate attention (i.e., within 15 minutes), link me or something because I'll be ignoring you lot until I get an idea of what is going on in this game.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Apparently, I didn't quite get the yelling down right, so Faraday asked me to add the following: Faraday didn't change his mind; the whole thing at AurorusVox was also a joke, as Faraday was mocking AurorusVox for not catching the sarcastic nature of Faraday's case on Mina.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Regfan, why do you have SocioPath down as scum when you're still trying to read him whereas everyone else you're reading is listed as null?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Blatant prod dodge.

Faraday's been away without access, and I haven't had a free set of hours to sit down and actually read the thread. I'll be free for a bit tomorrow, so I'll read the last 5 pages or something and just jump in because you'll never hear from me otherwise.

Tomorrow, for sure.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Equinox, can you summarize/paraphrase your AIM conversation with Faraday in which he asked you to post here, and you attacked ToastyToast with incorrect information?

It went sort of like this...

Faraday: I can't quote on this computer, what? Oh, well, I'll just copy and paste, as this is just a response to Mina.
Equinox: Okay.
[20 minutes in which we rabble about McDonald's]
Faraday: I gotta go check in now, so I'll talk to you later.
Faraday: Oh, and yell at ToastyToast, please. Read his last post.

The only thing I've read at this point is AlmasterGM's explanations for the DEFCON phases, so I look at ToastyToast's post and sort of pick at it based on what Faraday had revealed about his read of you, which was town based on your setup speculation and proposal to break the game. He'd asked me earlier in the evening to read his "case" on you, but I hadn't done that yet.

About 40 minutes later, he reads my post and comes back.

Faraday: I didn't change my mind. The thing at AurorusVox was a joke, too.
Equinox: Whoops. I'll go correct that now.
Faraday: I was mocking him for missing the sarcasm in my "case" against Mina.
Faraday: Apparently, I wasn't as clear as I'd thought.
Faraday: Ask Regfan why he marked SocioPath as scum despite needing to read him when he placed all the other people he needed to read as null reads.
Faraday: Wait. Don't ask. It's probably just a "meh" thing.
Equinox: I'll ask anyway and see what he says.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Faraday didn't say anything until he started defending the idea of Mina being Town due to even THINKING about breaking the game, which is a bit shallow but more to the point seems like a token set of :words: to contrast with a sea of miscellaneous nothing.

Faraday's thinking on this was that early setup speculation from Mina was a weak town tell; furthermore, he doubted that Mina-scum would want to face the scrutiny of having to come up with a pro-town-looking plan and then following through with it.

Today happens to be Read DEFCON Day, so I'm doing that now and continuing when I come back home. Hold me to this, etc.

[Swift Justice]

lld isn't dead yet? lolkay.

[Swift Justice]

i'm not reading the thread but she need to die.

[Swift Justice]

vote lld

MORE VOTES AND WE KILL HER.

[Swift Justice]

i'm not reading the thread but she need to die.

This is funny. You ignore me until I call you out on your terribad reasoning for the town read you have on Mina.

and THEN you want me killed?

You do the same thing with Vi too.

Tell me, are you afraid that one of us is going to nuke your scummy ass when it reaches DEFCON 1? Is that why you're pushing lynches on everyone who speaks ill of you?

I think it is~

i'm looking forward to nuking you.

[Swift Justice]

Swift Justice still needs death. The wagon start on a player with no votes whilst avoiding the two larger (three at the post) wagons is definently not a town tell.

[Swift Justice]

So LLD, I'd be interested in a reaction to my questions to you (re: your "grudgingly accepting my excuse") on Saturday.

Yeah, upon rereading LLD's ISO, I'm moving her from the town to the scum column.

Still on the fence re: Swift. His frustration sounds pretty townish at times. But Swift Justice's reaction to LLD reminds me of his reaction to Plum in MetaMafia. ("Yes, LLD is scum. Why? Because of her posts, lol.") Yes, you've made your point; you're Faraday, and you don't like explaining your reads. How

clever

. But clearly you aren't doing it to fish for reactions, since you didn't follow up on your LLD read (admittedly, I don't think Faraday has been reading the thread since coming to Canada).

yeah...no wtf? explain how i'm supposed to 'follow up' when I was fucking posting up untill i was in the airport. i don't care anyway, fuck following up, i'll just kill her.

anyway mina's still town and my early reason is still the best reason for finding her town, mad haters gonna hate.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Unvote

LIKE A TRUE AMERICAN, I DID NOT BOTHER READING THE THREAD. ALL I DID WAS POP IN THE MOVIE VERSION OF IT AND THEN CHECK THE SPOILERS ON WIKIPEDIA.

In other words, I've only read DEFCON 3. I'll read the pages of DEFCONs 1 and 2 later when I'm not so swamped or distracted or whatever the hell it is that I do that uses up so much damned time.

I'll be watching SDC/IS/Pooky closely for this reason.

Agreed. One of them is using meta to their advantage.

In two earlier paragraphs of this same post, you clear Screaming Death Clan based on Katsuki's logic and pseudo-clear Internet Stranger. You agree there's scum in this group of three. Why did you not touch on PookyTheMagicalBear?

I am going to be nuking (should I have a nuke) the player with the lowest post count as soon as we get to DEFCON 1. Don't be that player.

So before any actual voting / live Day scum-hunting goes on that might shape your theortical opinion on who is scum you’ve already decided who you would Nuke? And have phrased it is such a way that you aren’t even targeting a specific player but someone who meets and arbitrary guideline?

Gotcha. Scummy.

(The one scummy thing I find about that interaction was Equinox's rush to yell at Toasty at Faraday's request...but then proceeding to completely defend the wrong point and say that Faraday's gambit was totally sincere. Faraday's recruiting her is a slight town tell (although he could have just been annoyed independent of alignment), but then she was willing to stretch the truth and defend Faraday's motives when she apparently wasn't reading carefully enough to realize it was a joke? That's why I want her take on it.)

I didn't read the thread. Faraday recruiting me is not a tell either way; he had airport business to take care of at the time, and I just happened to be online discussing with him. As you can see in the paraphrased log, we didn't actually discuss what he did in the thread, as I was supposed to read that while catching up but failed to do so; I opted instead to post a half on the spot and then respond in more detail later once I understood what was going on, but I flunked at that, too.

So can you tell me without checking the activity counter who has been lurking through the previous couple of DEFCONs?

Easy. If I don't remember a name, that name needs nukin' and needs it soon. That should net more scum than simply checking the Activity Overview, as scum would be using the scenario you're describing -- that it's easier to attack the more visible players -- to fly under the radar.

I'll need to cross-reference AurorusVox's original proposal for the submarine and AlmasterGM's explanation of it to see if it's legitimately scummy. Knowing that scum have submarine but not knowing who has it seems pretty useless to me, and your plan, as Mina states, would have left it wide open for scum to freely take submarine. Also as Mina states, you bringing it up in the thread seems too brave.

...Since town hasn't been able to follow through with it, wouldn't scum be more likely to try it and pretend they followed through with it and failed?

Perhaps. I'll be following up with this when I read DEFCONs 1 and 2 since I noticed some things happened between those phases and DEFCON 3. As for Mina, I won't be following up with her specifically because I'm pretty sure she's town, and I'm not just parroting Faraday this time.

---

It's almost 3 AM here in America, so I'm

going to be lazy and not

just going to wall you lot to death.

Some of the votes on the RedCoyote wagon made me twitch, so I'll go have a gander at that later when I'm woken up and a bit more alert. Specifically, Lady Lambdadelta's made me twitch, but I have a feeling scum would be sheeping this wagon, whether it's to SHEEP or to bus or whatever, and everyone's reasoning is kind of uniform.

You guys probably want something more than "I'MMA NUKE LADY LAMBDADELTA" out of this slot, so here you go.

Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, Regfan, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: AurorusVox, Internet Stranger
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky
Scum: RedCoyote, SocioPath, danakillsu
In Limbo: Screaming Death Clan, PookyTheMagicalBear, MagnaofIllusion, ooba, SpyreX

If I've left you out, I have no idea who the heck you are, and I expect to acquaint myself when I read the first 20 pages or so of game. If, after that, I still don't know who you are, I'm nuking you, Faraday fervor be damned.

Faraday logged on earlier and I annoyed him about Lady Lambdadelta. He said he'd reread Lady Lambdadelta in isolation when he gets the chance, but he thinks she's scum because she's not displaying "passion" for this game or something. I don't know if I agree, mainly because I don't think Faraday has read the thread since his last airport post and he's implied as much; as for me, Lady Lambdadelta's in that category of players with whom I need to acquaint myself, so I'm passing judgment later.

I mentioned a couple of paragraphs up that the RedCoyote wagon makes me twitch. Oh, it does. However, I also agree that RedCoyote took a very strange stance with building up competing wagons on two of his scum reads when the only realistic information that would provide is who's holding the power role (providing both are scum). Unlike most everyone else, however, I don't find his "Well, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong" to be scummy, since I think like that as well and occasionally maneuver as town on that premise. Still, the competing wagon thing is weird...

SocioPath lacks punch from [REDACTED] which concerns me.

danakillsu sort of but not really defending RedCoyote without stating a solid stance either way makes me twitch.

The limbo group are either inscrutable people or people who have posted both scummy and townish things and thus warrant reread or further observation. Lots of "or"s in there. Anyway, I need to read Screaming Death Clan; I agreed with Katsuki about their Air Base gambit, but the fact that they apparently didn't get it means that town read is downgraded and I'd have to read them anyway. PookyTheMagicalBear and SpyreX are in the "inscrutable players" group due to the way they're speaking; I'm going to look up SpyreX metagame tomorrow and see how he matches up. ooba feels like town, but I need to look up why he took Air Base; someone mentioned that he did or something. MagnaofIllusion alternates between TWITCH TWITCH TWITCHY TWITCH (e.g., above shocked eagle photo) and TOWN, so he's in the observation tank.

HezLucky needs nuking, I think, but I'll need to reread him also, particularly his later posts when the momentum moves off him and onto RedCoyote. He is in this category for the quote toward the top of this post and his question toward MagnaofIllusion about MagnaofIllusion's read of Screaming Death Clan "if there was only one scum faction." That made me twitchy, yes.

Who's left? AurorusVox and Internet Stranger gave off town vibes. I'll need to read AurorusVox given above, but his later posts left me feeling town on him. Internet Stranger and PookyTheMagicalBear I'll need to read in conjunction given similar posting styles, but I was feeling town on Internet Stranger for some reason I didn't write down? Uck.

Oh, Vi. She isn't screaming "TOWN!" like she did in previous games I've played with her (town and scum), and she's making my gut twitch in that small way it did in a game about 9 or 10 months or so back where she was scum, so I'll compare her play here to that and see what's going on here.

That's a lot of people I need to reread. The list isn't entirely useless, I hope.

I am not voting until I know where I stand with more certainty. Faraday, we are NOT voting Lady Lambdadelta. If you happen to skip this wall and you try to vote Lady Lambdadelta again, I'll fucking keep unvoting.

I need sleep.

[Swift Justice]

Faraday's thinking on this was that early setup speculation from Mina was a weak town tell; furthermore, he doubted that Mina-scum would want to face the scrutiny of

having to come up with a pro-town-looking plan and then following through with it

.

...Since town hasn't been able to follow through with it, wouldn't scum be more likely to try it and pretend they followed through with it and failed?

we're not talking about scum or town, we're talking about Mina. and i'm pretty fucking clearly saying NO.

as for this whole recruiting equinox wtf? i had no more money to spend on internet airport, and it's a fucking bitch to type from my phone anyway.

HEY GAMMA WHY ISN'T ME AGREEING WITH YOUR READS A TOWN TELL, OR VICE VERSA?

[Swift Justice]

OH HAI FARADAY PROBABLY SHOULDNT BE LOOKING AT YOUR TOWN ROLE PM WHILE IM RIGHT BEHIND YOU

LOL GAME BROKENS

<_<

>_>

WE'RE MASONS ANYWAY.

[Swift Justice]

Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, Regfan, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: AurorusVox, Internet Stranger
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky
Scum: RedCoyote, SocioPath, danakillsu
In Limbo: Screaming Death Clan, PookyTheMagicalBear, MagnaofIllusion, ooba, SpyreX

I don't get any warm fuzzy feelings about Toast, apart from that yes? maybe? Idk about Toogeloo I probably can't read him in a fair manner due to :outofgamestuff: so I'll just see what happens. Move Hezlucky down to maybe town, Ooba's maybe town. Haven't read that many(any?) of Moi's posts so sure why not. Let me read him now and let you know. Mina's like on a chesskid from defcon 2 level, btw.

[Swift Justice]

Swift Justice (spefically Faraday) gets scum-points for 353. Why? Because I know for a FACT that Faraday scum pulls the kind of exact shit Mina / others were talking about. You did it in MetaMafia. So it being your biggest pet-peeve means jack crap.

hurr durr I do it as town too. that's why it's notascumtell.jpg

MOI's probably town, didn't read past his first 5 posts but dgb lent me her scumputer for the day, so it's pretty much fact.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Odd. So you think that RC and I have a scum QT together, and planned that he would bus me to no end, but I would refuse to bus him in return? That doesn't sound like any scum plan I've ever heard.

It's not impossible. Besides, not all things that scum do are planned.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I think you can be pretty darn sure that RC and I would have planned something that major if we were going to do it as scum together. But it not being impossible is not really good enough, because just about everything's POSSIBLE. This obviously indicates you realize it's unlikely, which means your scumlist doesn't make sense. I've got my eye on you.

Correct. Anything is possible. I also found your "I wouldn't do this with RedCoyote!" to be wholly unconvincing. You don't even bother addressing the rest of my reads; you opted to merely discredit the entire thing by picking at a piece of it.

If you have your eye on me, great. You can see the nuke coming straight for you as soon as it's launched and then feel how utterly useless your defenses are when it hits.

Let's play a game. I know your top 4 town reads, I know your top scum read, I know the names of two people you've done the Defense Dance around, and I know you've got an eye for me because I have a nice singing voice and a beautifully decorated nuke. Who else is scum?

[Swift Justice]

I've got my eye on you.

JUST ONE OF THEM? what's the other one doing eh???

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

JUST ONE OF THEM? what's the other one doing eh???

Got poked by a snail while he was trying to cook it, I reckon.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

RC and AV are both scum, I almost want RC to die first because of MEMORIES for letting him live (and its not like AV is going anywhere LAWLZNUKE)

What do you think of the movement from the AurorusVox wagon to the RedCoyote wagon?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Edited for clarity:

My top scumreads are HezLucky and Hinduragi in that order. Have you not been paying attention to my votes?
Where do you see me trying to discredit ALL your reads? Overly defensive much?

I knew your top scum read was HezLucky; I didn't know Hinduragi was another scum read of yours. I'd scanned your iso prior to asking and didn't see it. (Welp, I looked again and just saw it. I fail. Whatever, asking isn't a waste of post.)

As for your second point:

React only to RedCoyote and danakillsu reads? Check.
Not address any other reads at all? Check.

You obviously don't agree with all of my reads or else you'd have said something like ToastyToast did. You didn't even LOOK at them, you just pointed at me going "RedCoyote and danakillsu are probably European scum" and go "NO U." Makes me wonder if

you

were the one being overly defensive.

Also, 2 scum reads, 4 (or maybe 6, a little hard to tell with you being all wiggly) town reads and... no attempt to look for anyone else. Yeah.

But you is for nukin'.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Seriously, I think Swift Justice either as dissociative identity disorder or AGM forgot that they were in the same slot and sent 2 rolePM’s

My one problem. How did you manage to leave out LLD in your reads, then talk about her right after. She didn’t even make it to limbo?

Forgot. Shifted names around in the list as I got reads while going through the thread and then wrote the rest when I was done. Lady Lambdadelta popped into my head then.

You sound unconfident + 5.

I sound unconfident in the entire post with me having to reread like half my list. Whee!

HezLucky in particular, though, is a funny one because I saw this one post of his that made me go "OMG SCUM" and then over the course of DEFCON 3 people were going, "Nooo, he's just being silly town" and this was me:



That and I think his behavior as the game shifted from him to AurorusVox to RedCoyote might be very telling of his allegiances, but I didn't want to look that up at that hour. Might do it now given it's probably L-1 and I oughta gather my thoughts before nightfall.

[Swift Justice]

Faraday you had pretty much all the same reads I did in Metamafia. Thus notatowntell.gif

if you'd followed my scumreads there you'd have won the game there >_>

[Swift Justice]

On V/LA because of Goofbash. I'll try to find time to write an actual post if I can get away from the crowd today, because I have lots to say in response to Vi and AV.

WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO GET AWAY FROM US


anyway imma stop spamming now >_>

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

First, I'm going to take a look at the RedCoyote wagon and then read RedCoyote himself. I'll most likely not be able to get to the other players tonight, but I'll power through as much work as possible today.

RedCoyote (11) - Regfan (608), Magister Ludi (652), inHimshallibe (695), MagnaofIllusion (699), Lady Lambdadelta (702), Vi (706), Hinduragi (707), Katsuki (716), AurorusVox (770), Internet Stranger (774), Screaming Death Clan (778), ToastyToast (799)

Regfan and Magister Ludi vote RedCoyote for something that appears to have happened before DEFCON 3, so that was before my time. I'll find out later what it was, but they're on a pass for now. RedCoyote responds to players and votes AurorusVox in post 676. RedCoyote proposes the danakillsu wagon in post 686, which is when the sparks start flying.

inHimshallibe asks RedCoyote to get back on the AurorusVox wagon (687), and danakillsu disagrees with RedCoyote because he "[doesn't] have a scum read on AurorusVox" (688). Mildly interesting to me is why danakillsu doesn't wonder why RedCoyote would propose this kind of plan, like inHimshallibe and MagnaofIllusion did, but instead corrects him on AurorusVox; I may have to look up if danakillsu had some sort of read on RedCoyote, but the guy makes it impossible to find where he stands anyway. Also interesting is that Internet Stranger becomes annoyed at RedCoyote for pushing the AurorusVox wagon (694), but we'll see where he goes with it.

No problems with inHimshallibe's or MagnaofIllusion's votes. They were made in good logical time. MagnaofIllusion seems to think that RedCoyote's backtrack was scummy, though, whereas I think that line of thought could quite easily come from town; can someone with experience with MagnaofIllusion tell me if this is how he usually thinks?

Now I've figured out where my twitch was coming from:

And why would I advocate a wagon on a person I thought was town anyways?

I don't know. Why did you?

RedCoyote was doing anything but advocate a wagon on his town read; he very clearly stated that he believed both AurorusVox and danakillsu to be scum. Lady Lambdadelta skipped that part, it seems.

Faraday, I'm sorry I ever doubted you.

Internet Stranger rails on RedCoyote a bit but doesn't move (705). Eh, I can live with this, I guess, given how strongly he believed in lynching Vi. Speaking of Vi, I'm shaky on Vi joining RedCoyote but don't see anything wrong here (706).

Hinduragi's reasoning, however:

The entire exchange was bad. I don't get the unvoting of someone you thought was scum even if it is to prop up a wagon. I would've eventually gotten that job done. There's too much sidetracked reasoning for me to buy this.

*twitch*

...though at this point I'm wondering if {Hinduragi, Lady Lambdadelta} would have made the moves they did. I'll figure this out with further reading.

I

guess

I can buy danakillsu just being bad town? Depends on me reading his earlier activity in DEFCONs 1 and 2, since he seemed to be more opinionated in that than in this phase. It also depends on my read of Hinduragi as I go further.

In the meantime, MagnaofIllusion's push towards Vi (709) leads me to think he may be town. I might go take a look at his town play in recent games, but this is fairly low priority anyway because I can just bug Faraday about Godzilla's antics. Similarly, I like ooba pushing for Hinduragi (708); now that I've seen MagnaofIllusion's reasoning for why he believes ooba took Air Base, I think I'm comfortable moving ooba up to the list of town for something I'm not going to share right this minute.

The other bits aside I really dont like the AV-scum better start another wagon business.

I understood RC's thought process and, aside from switching votes off someone he thinks is scum, don't find it all that crazy.

Need to find out if these two quotes are connected. Are they connected, SpyreX?

*shrug* at AurorusVox (770) because he was late to the party, and it's hard to tell who's parroting and who's just late. I don't buy his point about RedCoyote missing Regfan, though, since that's probably null; it's easy to miss stuff if one is just zooming through the thread, town or scum. In other news, though, I probably need to read AurorusVox.

all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse.

We joined this game to nuke people. True story.

If it makes you feel better, substitute "nuke" for "lynch" and we should appear to be the same Equinox and Faraday you've come to know and love^(?).

Internet Stranger hops off his lonely wagon on Vi to join the swelling RedCoyote wagon (774). This doesn't make me nearly as twitchy as the other votes have made me, so... eh.

Fate recalls Open 279 -- that was a fun game -- and calls both AurorusVox and RedCoyote scum before voting RedCoyote (778). Um... okay?

ToastyToast catches up from RedCoyote's post that I don't really recognize, but RedCoyote's strong town read on SocioPath is pretty interesting. A wall I ain't going to read right now as I'm going to be leaving in roughly 15 minutes, so let's skip to the end where he votes RedCoyote. No, wait, I just spotted this and it's hilarious:

Orly? ME TOO. Is it strange that I’m getting great town-vibes from Equinox but scum-vibes from Faraday? Torn hydra is torn.

A wise man once said that my posting style looks town. He was also scum, but I think the words are pretty true. Don't get snared by this.

I don't see any problems with ToastyToast, I think. I'll need to read that wall again when I'm not thinking "OMG I NEED TO GET READY," but... yeah, it's fine.

I'm done! Summary below, probably.

---

Update!

Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, ooba, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, AurorusVox
Land of Nulldom: Internet Stranger, RedCoyote, danakillsu
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky, Hinduragi
Scum: SocioPath, Lady Lambdadelta
In Limbo: PookyTheMagicalBear, Screaming Death Clan, SpyreX

I'll discuss with Faraday about our conflicting reads when he regains actual access.

if you'd followed my scumreads there you'd have won the game there >_>

SAID THE SCUM WHO CONVINCED ME TO NOT INSTA-LYNCH PARAMA BUDDY. I AM STILL BITTER.

I'll think about where to fling my vote while I'm in the car. I won't vote until I have an actual read of RedCoyote, though.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I'll think about where to fling my vote while I'm in the car. I won't vote until I have an actual read of RedCoyote, though.

I keep forgetting this is a hydra.

Blah. Nonetheless, WE SHALL SEE.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Equi do you just not have a read on me or what exactly- I would think it would be kinda hard to forget me since I've been calling you likely scum and such.

Correct, I don't have a read of you. You're in the group of players I'm reading for in DEFCONs 1 and 2.

[Swift Justice]

DON'T RESPOND TO LLD SCUM WE DON'T NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS EQUINOX.

Gammagooey is worryingly neutral - wouldn't be terribly upset with him getting a nuke.

[Swift Justice]

Not sure what SJ hopes to get out of his banter with LLD. SJ is scummy, LLD is townish, and all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse. I actually agree with LLD's sentiment that SJ is just trying to turn on whoever might nuke them down the line.

if you think i'm 'posturing' you're in for a fucking surprise. i fully intend to nuke lld in my very first post of the day. BOOM. HEADSHOT. just like that.

my b.

[Swift Justice]

Yeah, Faraday continues to make me happy about my descision to nuke him the moment we hit Defcon 1.

LOOKING FORWARD TO TRADING 1/1 WITH YOUR SCUM TEAM. GG.

[Swift Justice]

and then i shall call you katsuki, and you shall be a cupcake and all the other cupcakes will laugh!

[Swift Justice]

Sooooo you two aren't crossbussin' scumz.

what a call this is.

'swift justice' was created for a reason nuke nuke nuke nuke nuke scum (well that + my taylor swift love )

[Swift Justice]

perhaps.

[Swift Justice]

but the guy makes it impossible to find where he stands anyway.

Oh, do I now? What is it you don't understand about where I stand?

leave her majesty alone, you pleb.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Oh, do I now? What is it you don't understand about where I stand?

25 players

2 scum: HezLucky, Hinduragi
4 town: Lady Lambdadelta, Gammagooey, SpyreX, AurorusVox
"Not particularly scummy to me but I ain't gonna fight this wagon": RedCoyote
"Oh, he agrees with me": SocioPath

THE ATLANTIC OCEAN IS A VERY BIG SEA.
EUROPE IS A VERY BIG PLACE.
BUT WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE?

YOU DON'T WORK WITH PEOPLE AT ALL.
IN FACT YOU SAID YOU DON'T PROVIDE MUCH CONTENT BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LISTEN TO YOU ANYWAY.

WELL, HERE IS WHY:

YOU DON'T STOP THE WAGON ON REDCOYOTE EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T THINK HE'S SCUM
YOU SKIP THE ENTIRE FUCKING WALL OF INFORMATION AND FOCUS ONLY ON THE SHIT THAT IS ABOUT YOU

HOW DARE YOU CALL US "OVERDEFENSIVE" YOU EUROPEAN SCUMBAG

DIE SCUM DIE

JUST ROLL OVER AND DIE

FARADAY, I DON'T CARE IF YOU THINK LADY LAMBDADELTA IS SCUM, WE ARE FUCKING NUKING DANAKILLSU I SWEAR BY ALL THINGS.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Small request: Please don't drop the hammer yet. I'd like to get a chance to read RedCoyote and not wake up to a thread lock. I was going to do that tonight, but now I've got a headache and I don't want to do anything but lie on my bed. I am going to do just that.

Analyzing Vi later too.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

$@%#*!

Well, fuck that, then. I'm going to bed anyway.

If scum don't shoot us because LOL THEY MAD, then I shall expose the rest of the Europeans for the scum they are.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Didn't expect a disappearing act from RCTown at all.

Scum post.

But I'm going to go play over here.

Vote: Vi

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

You're calling AV scum, and

you seem VERY confident

about this.

wat

Miyo, you shouldn't be touching the liquids the professor is brewing. They're bad for you. Mmmmkay?

Also, yes, there is a reason I'm voting Vi over AurorusVox.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Something I'm thinking about here...

If there was only one scum faction, how would that change your read on SDC?

Does this look like a terrorist post to you lot? This was the post that had me yelling, "OMG SCUM!" for HezLucky because there's no reason to be looking at this game from the standpoint of a different setup unless HezLucky is already looking at the game from this point-of-view.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Now that RedCoyote has flipped Town please elaborate on your thoughts re: the above.

That line didn't have anything to do with RedCoyote himself. I was talking about HezLucky's behavior as the game momentum moved off him. I haven't actually done this yet, though; I'll do it when I'm less lazy.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Scum: AV, Swift Justice, danakillsu, SocioPath, inhim, gorilla

You putting us in a scum group with danakillsu is :lol: considering I announced I was going to nuke his ass yesterday.

In other news, I was going to switch to AurorusVox for jumping on SocioPath, but his ninja "Killing the SK gets rid of a kill" gives me some pause.

Vi or SocioPath is a hard choice.

Maybe I'll just lurk this out and make the decision with a righteous nuking to the face tomorrow.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Did everyone just ignore what I had to say about Gorilla?

I know I did!

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

It just occurred to me that I've been promising to read DEFCONs 1 and 2 when those phases haven't actually happened yet.

Well, guys. I have a confession to make. I slipped, see... We're not just a hydra that can't decide whether it's town or scum. One of the heads is actually from the future. I have access to the rest of the pages of DEFCON 2 and I can read DEFCON 1. I can find out who nukes whom. What I do know, though, is who wins.

I'm just here to make it happen.

Okay, I'm so bored I'd make this terrible post just because I can, but I'm too lazy to actually do any thread-digging or wall-building or whatever an Equinox does.

(Now THIS is an actual "overdefensive" post from us, dude wearing the One Green Ring.)

(...aw, hell, I might as well at least look at my RedCoyote post. Nice of y'all to ignore that, too, by the way, especially since, you know, he flipped town?)

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

RC and AV are both scum, I almost want RC to die first because of MEMORIES for letting him live (and its not like AV is going anywhere LAWLZNUKE)

When you made this post, did you believe AurorusVox and RedCoyote to be scum together? If yes, what was your rationale behind that?

Now here is SwiftJust sheeping me, trying to ape himself some great American might and posting said socialist garbage.

Cool story. I'm not

just

sheeping your Vi vote, though.

How about this for swift justice, Internet Stranger? Let us nuke Vi when DEFCON 1 opens, and you or the other folks screaming for our blood can nuke us (and of course it'd be a wasted nuke because we're not scum, but what the hey). Nukes go even when the launcher dies. You have 2 of your scum reads going down this way, and -- providing my gut is correct here -- I take scum with me.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Actually, that idea does sound pretty good.

Unvote, Vote: SocioPath

FoS: Vi

Going to do some actual reading now and find out where gorilla and AurorusVox are coming from.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Other people are scummier.

You do not appear to have a vote.

[Swift Justice]

How so? Surely lynching the SK halves the non-town directed NKs we face each night. It's a much better option.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Unvote, Vote: AurorusVox

[Swift Justice]

this game would have been so much better had we chosen total war.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

this game would have been so much better had we chosen total war.

It's total war tomorrow!

[Swift Justice]

FARADAY STILL BELIVES MY GOOD FRIEND MAGNA

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I'm working on several reads of the game right now, one of them being HezLucky. I'll get back to you on that. As for our nuke, Faraday pledged it to Lady Lambdadelta, but I'm pledging it to Vi. We're an awesome hydra, no? :D

But wait – you were Nuking either Dana or LLD (depending on which head you listen to)? Why are you suddenly bargaining with Internet Stranger?

Correct. I was going to nuke danakillsu because he was being annoying, but I thought about it overnight and thought I'd let danakillsu be and see how he acts naturally. (He continues to grate, but I doubt he's scum at this point. He'd have gotten some bussing or distancing heat from his scum buddies for his wishy-washy stance on RedCoyote, I think.) That, and the thought of killing Vi without having to convince 10+ other people of a case I don't even have beyond gut was bothersome.

Preview edit: FARADAY, I LIKE LADY LAMBDADELTA. CAN I KEEP HER?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I FAILED ENGLISH. Well, not really, but my grammar stinks.

That, and the thought of killing Vi

without

by

having to convince 10+ other people of a case I don't even have beyond gut was bothersome.

or

That, and the thought of killing Vi without having to convince 10+ other people of a case I don't even have beyond gut was

bothersome

a cool idea

.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

gorilla has all of 20 posts.

I'd be down with him dying, too.

The reading

and the spamming

continues...

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

On that note, who or what is a Regfan?

Anyone here who has experience with Regfan who can tell me if lurking is a tell for the guy? (I might check later, but given the amount of crap on my plate, I probably won't get to it.)

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I swear I'll collect all of my points in a single post for my next post. I keep getting ideas after hitting Submit, hence all the spamming.

I'm amused by all the people calling this hydra scum, yet nobody wants to move a finger to get a wagon run up on us. Come on, scum, you know you want to kill us. We've shouted all game that we have a nuke, and by golly we are going to use it as soon as DEFCON 1 hits and it shall hit scum.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, what's your read of Regfan?

[Swift Justice]

Preview edit: FARADAY, I LIKE LADY LAMBDADELTA. CAN I KEEP HER?

do we haveeeeeeeeee to?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

These are the kinds of things said by hydras that need death.

Don't worry about us. We'll get some.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Unvote

Haven't had the time to finish my business in this game, and I won't have time until late tonight if not early tomorrow. Unvoting to make sure no funny stuff happens while I'm gone.

If Faraday happens to come back before I do, he has the reins, etc.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

DAMMIT, I WAS GOING FOR A RECORD OF NEVER POSTING ON THE WRONG ACCOUNT.

Spoiler: The Entirety of Post 1028

(Equinox)

Swift Justice dropped right off the radar; everything else is about the same as it was before.

y halo thar

Internet Stranger ignores my 1:1 nuke trade proposal with

Vi

Revenge of Wei and instead states he'll nuke them himself. Yeah, cool. I totally get it. Yep.

The Battle of the Walls between AurorusVox and MagnaofIllusion makes me want to poke my eyes out and give up on Mafia forever. I'm getting the feeling that AurorusVox is pulling MagnaofIllusion into this word war from this exchange:

Also I notice you really wanted my answers to (3a) and (3b) but you have no comment to make back about them. If you were town you'd be ready to engage with what I said there, but you obviously don't care about real analysis since you know who the scum are already (your buddies).

Rhetoric. I saw your responses and don’t feel they warranted further discussion. Pro-Tip: everything you say isn’t worth re-hashing constantly.

But they were direct negations of your previous points. I'd have liked to see what you made of the points - do you just accept that they're right, then?

Admittedly, I've been skimming the walls rather than doing any deeper reading of them. I'll probably have to read them a lot more closely than I have been doing, but I'm a lazy prick and all I really want to do is get a trigger pulled as soon as possible. Yes, really.

I think I just talked myself into reading AurorusVox-MagnaofIllusion. Sigh. Later, dammit. I have to read HezLucky, too, blarghfhmjgfk.

If we were to go for concrete reads and whatnot, MagnaofIllusion is being a seesaw, but I'm leaning town on him. The above and similar comments from AurorusVox makes me think he should be swinging or glowing, but I'd like to defer a read until I finish reading these walls properly and possibly get a metagame of AurorusVox getting into a wall battle like this.

Gammagooey waiting for his top town reads to give input on the happenings of the thread makes sense on a surface level, but I have a concern that he's stalling given how long Mina has been away and the number of stuff on which she would need to catch up. Stalling for what, I don't even know, since he's been screaming since dawn that he'd vote AurorusVox if he weren't waiting for Mina on a horse or something.

Though now that Gammagooey has gone with "Well, what if Mina has a result or something and we let her die," we might as well wait.

danakillsu is probably town, but I wanted to stab his eyes out when he went on his "I hope people listen to me!" jingle when he's been barely visible. Yes, danakillsu, I just called you "barely visible" because that's what you bloody are. Yell louder if you want people to listen to you.

ToastyToast's post 993 gives me the twitches.

I don't really care if I end up getting nuked tomorrow, though, since I'm kind of useless.

That was sort of why I said I'm useless - this is a ~soft claim~

Wait, what?

Last I checked, we were running on a draft system. If you're "kind of useless," that would mean you purposefully chose a "kind of useless" role, and you're now using this role you've chosen with which to play martyr.

I am having a lot of trouble wrapping my head around this idea.

Swamped by graduation and other such things.

Congratulations!

Saw one question aimed at me. MoI, yes.

Magister Ludi, no.

tl;dr - Useless catch-up wall with some opinions of little worth. I don't care. Now to read more so that I may produce even more of these things for your reading pleasure.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Equinox, your new avatar dissapoints me.

Don't worry yerself over it too much. I reckon it'll grow on ya real soon.

Also, I'm REALLY nervous about the speed at which the AV wagon rose + the stagnation it has now found.

Let's discuss this, then. As I recall, people were pushing AurorusVox in DEFCON 3, but the RedCoyote wagon eventually won out, and he's flipped town. Do you think this wagoning activity yesterday is linked to today's? If yes, who do you think is responsible for it?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Socio as SK makes sense, as I said earlier he wasn't posting like his town or mafia self as I've far as I've seen in DEFCON games before, and SK is the one role that's neither mafia nor town.

:what:

Oh, hey, that'd actually make a really cool emoticon, wouldn't it?

Anyway, quick speedy through AurorusVox's posts shows that he called SocioPath scummy in DEFCON 3 for not reading the thread "for the same reasons as RedCoyote", continued calling him scummy at the start of DEFCON 2, and then decided he was the serial killer? (On the other hand, this post makes it look like AurorusVox suspected SocioPath of being the terrorist this whole time, so some clarification in this arena would be nice.)

The text emoticon still applies, though.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

PookyTheMagicalBear brings up a point I'm interested in. danakillsu did, in fact, call AurorusVox town outright; I'll let the teddy bear search for that post himself. However, what I'm interested in is why danakillsu hasn't tried to push this point further given the swollen AurorusVox wagon right now, and danakillsu hasn't given any indication that he's recanted his strong town read of AurorusVox. Do you still think AurorusVox is town, danakillsu?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

*scratches head*

[Swift Justice]

HONEY I'M HOME(ISH)

[Swift Justice]

I also would like Post #892 by Swift explained because personally I understand AV's worry over two scum-teams continual night-kills reducing the number of town players quite rapidly.

he's scum with a protown looking buddy who he really doesn't want crosskilled. Gg (good game?)

[Swift Justice]

2) Why are you putting so much faith in what Mina has to say?

SHE'S TOWN THOUGH Vi.

[Swift Justice]

also you can probably expect to wait at least 3 days minimum knowing Mina (no offense ), Gamma, we can let her check in i might read the thread too.

[Swift Justice]

wha choo talkin' bout pooky

me, duh.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Any reason to think it wasn't?

Though he's changed his mind now due to STUFF, so who knows.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Can anyone sum up the important events I may have missed over the past week?

The end of the world was announced a couple of days ago. Now, not only do we know when the apocalypse is coming, but we also know

how

; the earth is to be turned into a planet littered with glowing craters, and this is going to occur sometime in the middle of DEFCON 1. It is hoped that America survives the nuclear fallout.

In other news, we're split on who dies today. On the one hand, we have the AurorusVox camp -- some of whom carried over their suspicion from DEFCON 3 while others built their cases from AurorusVox's behavior today -- and then we have the gorilla camp, which stemmed from a case put forth by Lady Lambdadelta and swelled when gorilla's posts didn't satisfy people's tastes. On the other hand, we have all these other people calling other people scum and pledging their nukes, and we have a rainbow vote count to show for it. Other minor events include AurorusVox sparring with MagnaofIllusion with lots of words and some case or other for SocioPath being a terrorist.

The above is not a wholly accurate representation of events thus far nor is it billed as such. I'm just here because I don't have many Max Revives yet and they're unbuyable. I'm a bit bummed by this.

Hell, I'll just out with it - I took Eavesdrop thinking it would be like totally awesome. As it turns out, the scum learned their lesson from DEFCON 2 and have basically gone on a near-total communications blackout, making me effectively vanilla town. I've got a single encrypted leak to show for my role. If anyone thinks I'm retarded enough to have taken eavesdrop as scum (or as the SK), they should be nuked. I'm probably an idiot for outing with this so quickly, but oh well. I realize I was giving off the wrong impression with my posts, so I'm going to try to correct that.

Uh... *scratches head*

Did nobody discuss Eavesdrop during DEFCONs 5 and 4 at all? I seem to vaguely remember some mention of it at least...? Well, if that discussion did actually happen, then I'd like to know how you missed it. (I'm going to go see if that discussion actually occurred or if I'm just making up memories from hydra discussion. Whee.)

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Actually, scratch that last part; apparently, there was some debate over the usefulness of Eavesdrop, and there were enough people touting its usefulness that I can reasonably see gorilla-town grabbing it.

Have you tried to decipher the message?

Preview edit: Equinox is playing as Swift Justice, so you might want to move your vote there.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Ah... now I see exactly why I didn't know Equinox was playing... he is part of the SJ Hydra.

I've been signing all of my posts in this hydra, Toogeloo. We've also been posting quite a lot in this thread. What's going on here?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I don't like the references you're making to "SCUM WOULDN'T TAKE THIS" for Espionage and Eavesdrop, but I'm going to sleep on that and see if my dreams tell me anything. That and I need to read you in detail, anyway.

Since you're saying that you as scum wouldn't have picked those abilities, what would you have picked as, say, European scum? As terrorist?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

For what it's worth, it was second on my list (espionage was first). There is literally zero reason I'd have considered listing espionage as scum in this game.

Scum picks would heavily depend on organizing draft lists with teammates, probably, but I'd aim for things like espionage, fighter, aircraft carrier, submarine - things with strong benefits.

Unvote, Vote: gorilla

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Gamma read the other half of my ISO in Open 302.

If you STILL think I'm scum you're just pathetic.

Townpost.

Vi of Wei, you're going to have to lay out your reasoning for this one.

I do think SP is the SK. If we can get a decent wagon on him today then I'm all for it.

When did you start suspecting that SocioPath was the terrorist?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

That list of questions... Seriously, AurorusVox? I'll let you get the answers to them, but I'd like to know your motivations behind asking PookyTheMagicalBear's and Magua's questions at least.

SJ: Do you think walls are inherently anti-town?

Inherently? No. Dude, you're talking to Equinox. I write and breathe the things.

What I

do

have a problem with is when the walls become not just a wall vs. wall battle but a WALL, REBUTTAL, COUNTER-REBUTTAL, COUNTER-COUNTER-REBUTTAL, WHY DID YOU NOT ANSWER THIS PART OF MY REBUTTAL war of words. I'd go so far as to say that not only is it anti-town, it's also scummy. In case you've forgotten Newbie 940, Nachomamma8-scum pulled me into the same type of wall war with him, basically alienating Thor665-town. What I was arguing made sense and could have won the game for us, but it got lost in the sea of rebuttals I was making.

Can town pull fellow town into a war battle? Sure. It happens. That's why I should be reading your and MagnaofIllusion's posts in detail to see if there is something like the scenario I described above going on or if it's just two wall-posters getting into an argument.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Okay, this is going to be real quick-like because it's late and I need to sleep. Also, I need to let the thread breathe.

I did a quick run-through of HezLucky's iso to look at his behavior between the HezLucky wagon, AurorusVox wagon, and RedCoyote wagon, but apparently I was seeing phantoms in the vote count because the difference wasn't as big as I thought it was. I'll have a better idea once I get around to updating the votals spreadsheet, but what I'm seeing from AlmasterGM's vote counts is a relatively small and static HezLucky wagon; the number never went higher than 4 votes according to the published vote counts, which means changes in HezLucky's levels of defensiveness aren't related to the pressure on him, which was what I was going for. HezLucky did a full reread of the game when the pressure was slipping (or slipped already) off him, which is plus points for him; I didn't actually read and cross-reference his commentary, though, so I'm deferring comments on the content of that to later. HezLucky was also fairly early on the AurorusVox wagon and didn't let up. HezLucky didn't have a read of RedCoyote according to his list of reads following the catch-up post, which is interesting and something I'll look into later, but right now I don't hold that against him.

tl;dr - I'm not interested in pursuing HezLucky at the moment, but I do need to read his big post to get a firm read. I'm interested in hearing from Vi, too.

I've got about 4 other items I'm supposed to be reading for this game now, which I will do... over the next several days, since we seem to be waiting for Mina to recover from Goofbash and then catch up and whatnot. I'm going to join the stalling party for the sake of me actually finishing my work in this game for once.

Bed beckons, so good night.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

oh god fuck damn it

I meant eavesdrop

there are clear reasons for scum to take espionage, I won't deny that

sorry for mixing up the two words.

Okay.

I've yet to see scum defend a meta case ending with the second line. I

can

see framedTown saying it though.

Um... okay, I guess?

First, it really seems like there are many better ways to spend your time than on someone who is very unlikely to be lynched today, such as myself.

Never a waste of time, my dear. Besides, MagnaofIllusion's been hounding me to do that for a while, and I was supposed to do it at the end of DEFCON 3. As for me fence-sitting on you, what the fuck do you expect me to do? Scream at the top of my lungs, "OMG HEZLUCKY IS [insert favorite faction here] 'CUZ DIS," when I'd be lying my ass off if I do that?

Goddammit, people, when I fence-sit, it means I don't have a reason to state a solid opinion yet, and I stated clearly that I'm not done reading the person. Getting real sick of people throwing shit at me for that.

Now, before you lot go, "Oh, Equinox is faking rage 'cuz she's scum and she mad, etc., etc.," let me set the record straight. It's been clear to me since DEFCON 3 that we're getting nuked, and I've been playing under that assumption. I don't care how I look.

In other news, let's hop off the gorilla. See above.

Unvote, Vote: AurorusVox

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Also, a wall-war HAS to be rebuttal and counter rebuttals because otherwise why is there a war in the first place? Is it better to skip most things out? Doesn't that help scum skip over the things that they don't want to answer?
And if you think it's got a scummy foundation, what do you make of MoI's part in the wall? Is he a helpless and innocent bystander?

If only we had some way to summarize our points in a list or something similar to make the rebuttal war more readable and to just get the damn point across...

Well, sure, it's important to hold people accountable to what they say, but if it's buried in a wall battle, there is no point because nobody is going to care except for you and MagnaofIllusion. I'm going to use Newbie 940 as an example again to ask you: Did you read the walls between me and Nachomamma8? If you did, props, but you have to honestly answer if you even cared what we had to say by the end of it.

I'll have to read in detail to get back to you about MagnaofIllusion's role in the walls, but as it stands, I have a fairly strong town read of him from his behavior outside of the argument with you. Is he an "innocent, hapless bystander"? No. It takes two people to have an argument. However, from my skimming, you had a bigger role in making it a point-by-point-to-the-point war.

@SJ and AV: do you regard gorilla's statement as a slip, or is it a bias based on your opinion of him prior to the claim? I can think of a lot of reasonable explanations for what he said. Interested to hear what you think the scum motivation is.

I was interested in getting a response out of gorilla. (LOL REACTION TESTING)

danakillsu is probably town

Iso me; I have stated this already.

Well, I have, but I'll humor you. danakillsu was wishy-washy about RedCoyote toward the end of DEFCON 3. If he had a town read of RedCoyote, I certainly couldn't tell. If he were scum, I'd have expected scum to try to bus him hard today on that point, but that didn't happen. On reflection later in the day, I realized this was a difficult call to make because the lynch target today was AurorusVox, and if AurorusVox is town as he says he is, then I can't make this sort of call on danakillsu (but if AurorusVox is scum, danakillsu is pretty much town). For you skeptics out there, why, yes, I am retconning.

danakillsu's recent sort-of reversal on AurorusVox gives me twitches, though, especially since we had an argument earlier about how he wasn't making his own stances clear and he took offense to that allegation.

Yes, they're scum; no, they're not getting lynched.

Question is directed at general population: Does xRECKONERx lurk as scum?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Surprised that SJ and Hindu and AV all didn't think it would just be him saying espionage instead of eavesdrop

I was interested in getting a response out of gorilla. (LOL REACTION TESTING)

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

FUN FACTS BECAUSE I'M BORED

If AurorusVox flips scum, the following people receive passes to a

fallout shelter

resort of their choosing: HezLucky, Magua, Mina, ooba, PookyTheMagicalBear
If AurorusVox flips scum, the following people are suspect, pending reassessment of their reasons for switching to RedCoyote: Katsuki, Lady Lambdadelta, MagnaofIllusion, Screaming Death Clan

If AurorusVox flips town, I have no idea, but I will be examining the voting patterns again to see how DEFCON 3 played out with the two competing wagons being town. What I do know, however, is that if AurorusVox flips town, Gammagooey gets to be the latest test subject in our glow-in-the-dark scummer experiment. I may throw MagnaofIllusion in with Gammagooey, too.

Reasoning available on request.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Now that Mina has weighed in and not shown an reason to not proceed I’m happy with my vote.

Excuse me? Did you even read her post?

So like Magua you ascribe to the theory that no matter what someone flips (in your case AV), you are going to throw me in the possible scum-list.

Haha. I didn't even realize you ended up on both.

Well

, I guess that's saying something, isn't it? You're on the first one for switching off AurorusVox to RedCoyote, which I'd consider suspicious behavior if AurorusVox were to flip scum. You ended up on the third one for something I don't remember... It might've been for jumping onto SocioPath or gorilla or something. Once I remember, I'll tell you, but it was based on your Day 2 voting pattern.

I <3 this post.

How about we make this guy a poster boy for scummers looking like their avatars?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

That said, I anticipate spending the next 72 hours convincing Faraday that Hinduragi needs to glow in the dark.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

With apologies to Faraday, I'm going to make our first post of the day something other than a nuke.

With Katsuki flipping terrorist, that leads me to believe -- quite strongly -- that HezLucky is not scum, as he made more sense as individual scum rather than group scum. As for scum reads, we've talked it over and Faraday managed to convince me that we'll be nuking one of {Lady Lambdadelta, Gammagooey, Vi}. I need to look something up about Lady Lambdadelta to verify what he's telling me, but he said that Lady Lambdadelta's actions toward us don't make sense for someone who's announced repeatedly that she'd nuke us first thing today. Gammagooey and Vi are there for being off their usual town meta.

Faraday thinks MagnaofIllusion is town, and I'm going to settle for that. I've forgotten completely the tell I had on him for AurorusVox flipping town, anyway.

We'll wait to see if there's any PSA-type information coming out before we launch our nuke. That, and I have some minor reading to do before then.

---

A sort of preview edit slash addendum.

I'm interested in hearing Lady Lambdadelta's thoughts about gorilla given Katsuki's flip. I'd be interested in seeing why Magister Ludi is voting the way he is, but maybe I can find that out faster by looking him up myself.

[Swift Justice]

katsuki kill means screaming death clan are TOWN TO THE TOWN. fate doesn't kill katsuki.

[Swift Justice]

BUT FARADAY THERE IS MORE THAN ONE SCUM YOU'LL SAY.

AND TO THAT I SAY RETARD, SHUT UP.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Gorilla is not only not confirmed town, I think he is scum.

All right, humor me. Why do you think gorilla is scum?

[Swift Justice]

lld
Vi
regfan
hindu
gamma
socio


HOW MANY SCUM ARE THERE IN HERE? I AM BETTING 3 or

[Swift Justice]

hey toastytoast explain to me why you've got a strong town read on hindu, or did at least idk how many pages ago i read that.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Vote: Revenge of Wei

[Swift Justice]

GAMMA: Convince me you're town. You have 3 posts.

[Swift Justice]

aaand I'm fairly sure that one of LLD & JUSTICE is scum given both of their early play being off- Between the two I'd nuke LLD first as justice's stating that he's expecting to die looked town and retaliating towards LLD like that would be super ballsy as scum.
.

OH THIS SHOULD BE GOOD.. WHY WAS I OFF? DELVE DEEP INTO MY PSYCHE.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Gammagooey, what do you think of me jumping off Lady Lambdadelta in the latter stages of DEFCON 2?

[Swift Justice]

aaand I'm fairly sure that one of LLD & JUSTICE is scum given both of their early play being off- Between the two I'd nuke LLD first as justice's stating that he's expecting to die looked town and retaliating towards LLD like that would be super ballsy as scum.

IDR you calling my early play off at all??? QUOTES? (OH LOTS TO WORK WITH FOR 3 POSTS)

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

If you guys will forgive us for being overly excited, I'd like to point something out:

Vi is a lot shadier than in other games with it but I still think that IS is more likely to be scum

If Gammagooey flips golden stars in the blue sea, immediately lynch Revenge of Wei.

[Swift Justice]

2 posts!

[Swift Justice]

Does capitalism mean nothing to you people. The price was a cookie you know.

@SJ- The biggest thing was your isos 18-23 with you going off at people at people for small stuff- calling out toasty for acting like quadz looked particularly weird when you had the benefit of knowing who all the scum were when you went after them in metamafia, and the response to Ludi in your 22 was excessively agressive given that you did exactly that in metamafia (along with extensive bussing) (and singing) to get on everyone's good side- You should know first-hand that it can be true and using ALL CAPS to someone generally implies that you think that the other person's points are stupid or not worth listening to.

the caps was because his point wasn't worth listening to, it's basically the equivilant of saying 'scum like to type in english' in my mind, big fucking deal.


edit: and yeah I still don't like that fucking point. OH GOD FARADAY YOU'RE SUCH A SUPAH BUSSER (despite only ever bussing hard exactly once in a mafia game, ever) IF YOUR READS ARE RIGHT (i.e. agree with you) it means nothing!

[Swift Justice]

And yeah if you've got more questions that you think would help you read me better ask 'em, PROVE UR TOWN is silly and giving reads for stuff you think is weird or disagree with would probably help a lot more.

POST.

GG.

not interesting in a abundance of retarded questions, made my mind up for the most part. just need to decide if i want you or lld dead more.

[Swift Justice]

woah it's late, an abundance and interested.

[Swift Justice]

i don't particularly like or enjoy bussing, and if i was scum here i'd never nuke a buddy or put myself in a position where i had to.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

No one said "NO DON'T TAKE EAVESDROP IT IS A BAD IDEA" except for maybe ooba, a few people said "hey yeah scum not being able to communicate is bad for them" and I read DEFCON 2 and percy was like, so cool in it and I wanted to see the secret leaks this game.

What sort of encryption were you expecting to encounter when you chose this ability, and did you have a plan as to how to decrypt the leaks you were going to receive?

[Swift Justice]

lld why did you kill katsuki?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I'm thinking now that gorilla was not adequately prepared for the ability he chose. For one thing, he hasn't indicated that he's tried to crack the code he received on Night 1, instead focusing on catching up in the thread; were I in his position and not in a hydra, I'd be putting all of my effort into decryption in the hopes of landing something major. What I'm having trouble with at the moment is discerning whether he was just a silly optimist who read Percy's play and had no idea what he was getting into, or if he's scum who chose the role to prevent a recurrence of DEFCON Mafia 2.0. There's a thought I'm holding to with regards to one of these two scenarios that I won't reveal right now, as I'm waiting for more people to speak up; rest assured, though, that I won't be forgetting that thought anytime soon.

Lady Lambdadelta, I'd be interested in seeing what you've got so far with regards to gorilla's Night 1 leak.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Swift, you can't pusedo attack me for voting gorilla and then subtly imply that you think gorilla may in fact be scum. This weird chain of logic needs explaining.

I can do whatever the hell I need to in order to find out who is getting nuked into the ground. That is going to include questioning your vote of gorilla, and that is going to include pressuring gorilla for picking Eavesdrop to be a hero and yet failing to deliver.

Why are there no nukes flying right now despite many promises. (mine included, but there is a reason for that)

We're waiting for information dumps. The other part is that we're still debating who between our favored targets needs to go first, and two of those targets have not yet posted.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Unvote, Vote: Gammagooey

With 3 nukes out, we'll hold off on our own nuke until we see the flips happening. Rest assured that if Revenge of Wei flips scum, Gammagooey is going to be wiped off the world map, and that nuke is going to be ours.

Lady Lambdadelta (and apparently Hinduragi) seems to be working on that cipher, which is good news, but I'm also interested in hearing what's going on with her read of us.

[Swift Justice]

Pedit: Oh, what the fuck. Fuck you dana, fuck you. Should I claim now? I don't know how you guys did it last game or whatever. Also, I'll catch all the scums for you before I get lit up so be on hold for that. Vi is already dying, that's good. Dana's obv pressured scum that needs to die. Hez is town but keep an eye on him. His posting change may've been a ploy but I don't think it was. MoI also needs to die but townpoints to him for nuking like he did. Depending on what I get from gorilla, I'll give you guys a read. I didn't think he'd get this many results today when I went for him yesterday. With only one result yesterday, it was extremely hard to tell what kind of encryption scum used. With the 3 or 4 drops he gave us today, it's an easy crack if enough people work on it.

if you've stuff to claim you probs should, ya.


hey magua i'd not have killed kats either, *hifive* (sdc would be massively against a kats lynch as fate is fate and katsuki is katsuki and they don't kill each other, like ever...now it's possible they were outvoted...but on *katsuki* of all people?? that's straining credulity a bit

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

So Toogeloo hounds Magister Ludi for voting gorilla and not providing a case but doesn't address the player who threw questions at gorilla left and right and is now pondering whether or not he is scum based on his answers to said questions when Toogeloo himself believes gorilla to be an easy lynch/nuke.

Cool.

[Swift Justice]

LUCKILY YOU'RE WRONG ON MINA SOCIO.

[Swift Justice]

OH FARADAY WHAT ARE YOU DOING ^ me

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Spoiler: Contents of Post 1264

Someone should actually just nuke dana now. I am not sold on his protowniness this game, and his nuke is terrible

~~~~

Hez, there is no way that I am not going to put the one confirmed town I am 100 percent sure about about, myself, on a short list of three people to survive all of these nukes flying about.

I'm now of the opinion the following people should get nuked:

Screaming Death Clan
Swift Justice
Magna
dana
(debating Hez here too)

SDC Doesn't get a town read at all from me. As to the night kill, I was under the impression that katsuki and the SDC had played so many games together that they could read eachother very easily, so Its more likely if katsuki died that SDC is scum.

If all these people die, that leaves:
gorilla
MagisterLudi
Hez
(Hopefully hinduragi as dana cancels)
inhim
IS
LL
Magua
Mina
Pooky
Regfan
toasty
toog

I'd be very comfortable lynching and nuking from there.

the only person in your short list that is scum is maybe dana, other than that lol. also you can be under whatever impression you want, perhaps the concept of 'FATE DOESN'T KILL KATSUKI' is a hard one to understand, but it doesn't make it any less true.

wei's absence means they're prob scum since csl has been onsite a lot, so yeah.

Should you be here, Faraday?

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Unvote, Vote: Regfan

All these people calling us scum but no wagon and no nuke. Come on, you chicken farmers. I'm already bored as hell waiting for Hinduragi and Lady Lambdadelta to come up with something magnificent, Lady Lambdadelta to notice Faraday's jab, Regfan to remember that he's in this game, gorilla to come in here and say something, etc., etc., and I'm just twiddling my fingers. Might as well get an honest-to-God wagon run, right? We can't have rainbow vote counts with nukes flying all over the place.

Preview edit: Magister Ludi, it's a really strong meta tell. Faraday will be able to explain better, but Fate doesn't kill Katsuki. Burden of proof is probably on us to hunt down every single one of Fate's games to see if he's ever killed Katsuki in his entire playing history, but I'm a lazy prick and I trust Faraday when he says Fate wouldn't do it.

gorilla, how about some input on the leaks you're getting and that others are working on?

[Swift Justice]

Unless you can back that up with multiple points of evidence, I am going to say that is a weak opinion which I don't know where you got from.

If you can convince me I'm wrong, I'll change my mind, but I find that unlikely.

~~~
Yeah, I don't suspose you like the short list considering you are on it. It still stands.

IT'S BASED ON PERSONAL META OF FATE. HE NEVER DID IT IN OVER 100+ GAMES AT GOOFBASH IN FACE2FACE AND USED IT TO CLEAR HIM EVERYTIME KATSUKI DIED. he's town. accept it. move on.

i couldn't give a fuck what list i'm on, if you think that's the problem i have with your list then you're a twat.


spoiler: your list is 'lol imma make a list of people i want nuked, now here's everyone left who i'm also happy to nuke and lynch from' lol? lol? fuck that, it doesn't even matter since at least one of your long list will be dying today, let's be honest.

[Swift Justice]

HEY LLD CHECK THE QT TO SEE IF YOUR TEAM-MATES CAN HELP SOLVE THE CODE, LOL.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, it was this jab:

lld why did you kill katsuki?

A Katsuki NK fits your NK meta, so we're a little curious.

[Swift Justice]

PROTIP; LOOK AT THE NIGHTKILL, THE FUCKING GAME WON'T BE OVER. if you're actually THAT delusional then I don't even.


your opinions on meta, I lol, but move on.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Lady Lambdadelta, it was this jab:

lld why did you kill katsuki?

A Katsuki NK fits your NK meta, so we're a little curious.

And what exactly is my NK meta, in your opinion?

you have a tendency to look reasonably town (though not nearly as towntown), even as scum, thus you don't always kill off the most pro town players, I think the best example is brotherhood of the wolf. WHO WOULD YOU HAVE KILLED LAST NIGHT THEN, IF YOU WERE SCUM (YES WE'RE PRETENDING YOU'RE NOT SCUM HERE)

[Swift Justice]

VOTE: Regfan

I'll get behind that, if I had a nuke I'd be using it on him but I don't so I'll pressure him the only way I can

re: leaks, I am less knowledgeable about this code stuff, LLD's assessment of it as a playfair cipher seems accurate given that the letter J doesn't appear anywhere in it and the letters are even, I want hindu to show his work re: the bit he seemed to get, because re: the bit of text he got, because there are a few key patterns in it that might be key to solving it. Also, it's possible that scum change up their code now that people are on to it, which means I'll be of limited use.

so srsly...why the fuck did you take it

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Bring personal meta into a game is irrelevant,

Aw, man, you're one of

those

people.

Someone needs to teach a class in Mafia Discussion about Metagaming 101. Too many folks are discounting it these days.

And what exactly is my NK meta, in your opinion?

In Mini 1113: Brotherhood of the Wolf, you killed Mina. At the time, Mina had been on V/LA and was thus lurking; in addition, she was considered mildly scummy by other players. Katsuki was lurking in this game and, despite a number of players calling him town, he did not contribute anything useful since his return from Goofbash. Fits the bill.

re: leaks, I am less knowledgeable about this code stuff,

because I thought it'd be fun

Sigh... seriously?

[Swift Justice]

you are a silly gorilla, yes you are.

[Swift Justice]

scumz.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

dont be ridiculous hot babe. cute girls can't crack codes.

get back to pouring me a cold beer

Misogyny is un-American and you should be ashamed of yourself.

This has been a non-game-related post brought to you by your local Spammer Hydra.

[Swift Justice]

except gorilla claimed non nuke.


EDIT: OH? TELL ME MORE HINDU DID SHE CRACK HER OWN CODE? >_>

[Swift Justice]

well if he's scum he can feed us whatever the fuck he wants and have us chasing our tails like a bunch of brain dead dogs, but I digress.

[Swift Justice]

*twitch* on that fucking timing. so bad.

[Swift Justice]

DEM RULES, SO HARD TO READ.

[Swift Justice]

probably slightly townish on dana's part at least, though.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

i agree with sociopath.

Re-posting stray messages from wrong accounts since whenever this hydra was made. It was bound to happen.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Also, I shall do my utmost to collect the largest piece of glowing Gammagooey to display on the White House lawn for all the European scumbags to see on their surveillance.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

SwiftJustice, I answered your NK question, and you never followed up on it.

Post was too big and I'm lazy. Will do it later.

[Swift Justice]

SwiftJustice, I answered your NK question, and you never followed up on it.

i didn't have a lot to say to it, it all looked reasonable.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

OKAY, SO THIS IS KATSUKI BEFORE HE WENT KABOOM.

A GIFT FOR MEMBERS OF CLUB LAZY.

"NIXON IS TOWN AND I'S VOTING REDCOYOTE"
"ETC. ABOUT REDCOYOTE"
"I DUNNO WHAT'S GOING ON, SO LET'S JUST BANDWAGON AURORUSVOX"
"BAD EAVESDROP CLAIM IS BAD"
"WHY'D YOU CLAIM SO EARLY, MAN"
"DEFENSIVE NUKES ARE SCUM AND WILL DIE GLOWING DEATH"
"HEY, MINA, VOTE FOR THE LEMON AND THEN READ"

KATSUKI BLOCKING SOCIOPATH?

NOPE.JPG

[Swift Justice]

LLD is also scum that cracked the code imo.

[Swift Justice]

you'd not nuke anonymously as town? it's far more awesome, i bet it feels 10x better.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I WAS SEEING HOW KATSUKI READ SOCIOPATH.

Katsuki didn't ever mention SocioPath, actually, so I dunno. Hold on, let me process that.

Green still looks good on you 'cuz lol.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

I hate to break your bubble, Regfan, but if you think Revenge of Wei is town, you can't possibly be thinking of nuking Internet Stranger. There is no

Fragment

universe in which an {Internet Stranger, Revenge of Wei} scum team would make even the most remote amount of sense.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Embarrassing error is embarrassing.

I hate to break your bubble, Regfan, but if you think Revenge of Wei is

town

scum

, you can't possibly be thinking of nuking Internet Stranger. There is no

Fragment

universe in which an {Internet Stranger, Revenge of Wei} scum team would make even the most remote amount of sense.

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Finally

someone takes action on their Swift Justice scum read! Yeesh, I was beginning to think they were grooming us for a mislynch or something.

We're nuking as soon as flips happen. Heads up, scum!

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Swift, my scum reads on them are independant and not reliant on the other one being correct however at the same point I'm unsure how you're so willing to state that it's imposisble for them to be partners considering the fact that Vi's intial attack towards IS/Zhero read was weak to the point that it was never likely to take of.

It looked like some heavy cross-bussing to me if they're both scum. They've been shouting from rooftops that the other is scum and have basically tunneled each other into oblivion. Now that I see Revenge of Wei just fired a nuke at us instead of Internet Stranger, who they've been hooting about since prehistoric times, I may have to rethink this a bit, but let's see the reactions to Revenge of Wei's flip first.

MoI needs to glow when Socio flips town. And Socio WILL flip town.

Disagree.

Revenge of Wei->Swiftstrike

WHAT IS THIS CRAP

WE'RE NOT SWIFTSTRIKE

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

Disagree.

Clarification: By this, I mean that I disagree with MagnaofIllusion glowing 'cuz HE TOWN or I eat a Bowser shell.

Also, I read your treatise on why you wouldn't kill Katsuki. And here is my answer.

...

"Okay."

[Swift Justice]

HEY REVENGE OF WEI YEAH WE'RE SCUM AND KILLED KATSUKI, THAT'S SUCH A FUCKING FARADAY SCUM KILL YOU FUCKING CHEEKY SCUMBAG.

[Swift Justice]

THANKS FOR CLAIMING SCUM THOUGH. GG. LOOKING FORWARD TO YOU DYING.

[Swift Justice]

i have 48 hours to read this thread and deliver a nuke. fucking like a boss.


FTR:
TOASTY IS TOWN
MINA IS TOWN

^ anyone nuking these 2 should be nuked on site for being generally horrible/scum

[Swift Justice]

(Equinox)

MINA IS TOWN

MINA, WE MISS YOUUUUU.

Would like to see Internet Stranger's reaction to the nuke.

[Swift Justice]

hahaha they probably think because we haven't nuked we're not a nuke.

BUT WE ARE. and swift justice shall be unleashed before we die.

[Swift Justice]

gamma be a coward and kill yourself early, if you're town your flip is useful.

[Swift Justice]

hey magua who do you think we should nuke?

[Swift Justice]

surprised sdc haven't nuked yet, seems unlike them. AH PARANOIA.

[Swift Justice]

surprised sdc haven't nuked yet, seems unlike them. AH PARANOIA.

Hey Swift ... there's an Elephant sitting in the corner regarding this claim and ooba's flip.

IS THERE? WHAT ELEPHANT

[Swift Justice]

[Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Game Event]

...

[NORAD SYSTEM] ALERT. ALERT. NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Attempting to locate launch site...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile tracked to facility XR-395, currently commanded by

Revenge of the Wei.

[NORAD SYSTEM] Analyzing flight trajectory…
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile is currently targeting coordinates registered to

Swift Justice

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fuck you you fucking scumbag

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AGM SEND MINA A FUCKING PROD. MY NUMBER 1 TOWN READ NEEDS TO CONTRIBUTE.

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(hopefully this isn't another malazan but it's not, but yeah, Mina thoughts on todays events plz?)

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NO I'M BEING NUKED BY THE SCUMBAG HYDRA. They won't recall. They can't. We're so obviously fucking town for like 20000 reasons at this point.

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oh i didn't even notice ooba was the cop, i thought mina was the cop lol. >_>

WHOOPS

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gamma if he's town kills himself early. but he won't due to SCUMMY AS SCUM.


wei and gamma is both scum here. time to find their buddies.

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oh and magua i'd nuke anonymously for the fun of it. not that it matters a whole lot now.

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happy scumday Viscum!

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(Equinox)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, FATE.

If you bus me you lose one free nuke I only need to buy one more day

If this message isn't faked and gorilla didn't post them a day late or something, we have a few options for this based on activity on Day 2. According to the voting spreadsheet for that day, we had votes fall on the following people:

AurorusVox

, danakillsu, gorilla, HezLucky, Internet Stranger, MagnaofIllusion, Revenge of Wei, Screaming Death Clan, SocioPath, Swift Justice

Of those people, danakillsu, Internet Stranger, MagnaofIllusion, Revenge of Wei, and SocioPath are confirmed to have nukes. gorilla has claimed his ability and thus does not have a nuke. HezLucky, Screaming Death Clan, and Swift Justice have, to my knowledge, claimed nukes but have not yet launched them.

Based on the amount of votes, gorilla and HezLucky stand out as having the most votes; however, Revenge of Wei was also falling under pressure if my memory isn't being biased by my rampant nationalism or something. The voters are listed below:

HezLucky (3) -

AurorusVox

, danakillsu, Gammagooey
gorilla (8) -

AurorusVox

, Hinduragi, Lady Lambdadelta, Magister Ludi, MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, Swift Justice, Toogeloo
Revenge of Wei (3) - Internet Stranger, Regfan, Swift Justice

To note, the HezLucky wagon fizzled out and died in favor of other targets with the exception of danakillsu, who stuck to his guns. gorilla's wagon died when he claimed Eavesdrop, and so far I do not see a reason to disbelieve him. The best candidate here is most likely Revenge of Wei, who has done next to nothing except nuke us as their dying vengeance, and the "I only need to buy one more day" part seems to apply to them the most. I recall seeing people call Revenge of Wei scum but not vote them, so I'm going to hop about the thread and see what basis I have for that line of thought.

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Gamma did you think you and Vi would be the first 2 of your scumgroup to die?

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equinox maybe we don't have a nuke! man i wish we'd picked cop now like i was planning to, pity.

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IM NOT SCUM SO NOPE.

CONFESS! btw <3 u for making lists, time to go through them with a fine tooth comb. thanks for confirming mina as town beyond all reasonable doubt though, troll.jpg.

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jw: why did your scumbuddy vi nuke us? are we that big of a threat, I mean what with everyone calling me suspicious i was like WOAH maybe i'm not as good as I think I am but now that you 2 are scum i realise that's not true.

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(Equinox)

Spoiler: The Contents of Post 1522

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equinox maybe we don't have a nuke! man i wish we'd picked cop now like i was planning to, pity.

YARLY.

IMA BREAK YOUR COMB.
*SNAP*
TAKE THAT.

AW, DAMMIT, THAT WAS AN EXPENSIVE COMB. OH WELL! IT WAS MADE IN ITALY, ANYWAY, GO FIGURE.

FARADAY, USE THIS AMERICAN-MADE COMB.

DERP.

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list-wise:

Towntowntown

Mina

Leaning town

Katsuki
inhims
Magua
Vi (also not scum with Zhero/IS)
Gorilla
Regfan
Magister Ludi

Loud dudes in Nullsville

SDC
Socio
Pooky
Toasty

Null Dudes in Nullsville

Dana
Hinduragi
ooba
RC
Toog

Not scum with Hez

AV
SpyreX (he's actually leaning hard town but this category was lonely)

Leaning Scum

LLD
Swift Justice

Scum

Zhero/IS
Hez

There are so many people in this game.
ANYWAY.


Reads I'm stealing from other people: Mina and Katsuki are both very likely town, though Mina kicks it up a notch to towntowntown. I can't see Mina's isos 5 and 6 coming from scum- the Faraday suspicion is a good one IMO and Mina's thought process with Vi is town. Katsuki read isn't quite as strong but I don't think she'd bring up the nobody gets counterintelligence plan as scum.


IS and Hez can both die and I've said why already- IFFFFFFF Hez actually starts being useful then IS can die before him but for me to make the if that big it would take up this entire page.

Faraday's part of swift justice isn't hitting any town notes. Well, he's hitting ONE of having a lot of the same reads that I do (mag/mina/kats town) but that's really not a towntell coming from him.

LLD's iso 4 wording still bugs me but the inhims stuff makes sense now- I'd probably put her in between null and leaning scum but I have more than enough categories already.

Mydarkestsecret-AV isn't a terrible lynch but he doesn't make any sense as Hez's buddy and his recent posts are decent- I'd also really like to hear everyone's reasons for the wagon because despite a lot of the wagoneers looking townie I would like to hear exactly why you think he's scum- I know a lot of you have said gut but explaining what posts give you the twitches at least would help a lot for either finding scum on his wagon or sniffing out bussers getting on.

Oh, one more thing.
DOUBLE SURPRISE.
MAGUA IT'S A PONY!

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i bet there's another scum on the vi last. maybe 2 even, actually. mostly just quoting this for posterity or something so i can take a better look at it later.

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(Equinox)

What if Wei has the Fallout Shelter. Can we just nuke her again?

By all means! AVENGE US. SHOW THEM YOU DON'T TAKE LIGHTLY THE DEATH OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICAN.

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hey magua why the fuck are you asking gamma who's claimed scum in the thread questions.

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NO YOU CAN'T SHUT UP NOW.

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confirmed scum are for trolling not talking with.