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Mina wrote:
However, Swift, I would be very interesting in knowing exactly how you managed to wrangle a town read from me after one "Post later." Are you scum again, Faraday?
Oh, and where did your LLD scum read come from?
I'm never scum, so no. Your post shows you're at least thinking about breaking the game - townish, there's then the fact you as scum would have to come up with some sort of legit sounding gamebreaking plan, I just don't see Minascum opening like that. I also tend to notice in your town games you like to talk/think about the mechanics to some degree, you did in metamafia and of gods and men too, I think as scum you'd probably be less interested in discussing that.
LLD scumread came from me reading her posts, where else would it come from?
I like Katsuki's counterintelligence plan, actually. Nuking on site is always a good option.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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danakillsu wrote:I'd like to take the opportunity to say right now that a hez lynch cannot possibly be something I will regret at this point. If you're town, hez, please don't take the Submarine or something, cause you're so anti-town that you're going to be lynched eventually.
OH GOD STOP THE PAIN IT BURNS IT BURNS.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Mina wrote:
Actually, look, it turns out that Ididn'tcome up with a legit-sounding gamebreaking plan. Clearly I either wasn't trying very hard, or decided to withhold it to harm the town.
+5 scumpoints for not coming up with a plan when you said you would.
And hey, I'm not interested in mechanics at all this game. I don't care whether you choose Air Base or Fallout Shelter or Counter. I've just announced that I'm going to lurk until DEFCON 3.
+10! lurking as anti town and only scum would do it.
Looks like you should be losing your town read of me.
why would a townie say this? fos: mina
By the way, just curious, do you think I talked/thought about the mechanics in DEFCON 2.0 (in which I was scum)?
why are you bringing up a game you replaced into as a valid point. +1
(Actually, okay, I lied. One point about mechanics:someonehad better put Eavesdrop on the list, at the very least. Speaking as scum, it's extremely demoralizing not to be able to communicate and strategize with your team freely. If you're average at cryptography, just post the messages in the thread circa Day Three-ish.)
EXCEPT YOU NEVER HAD BUDDIES TO COMMUNICATE WITH LAST GAME. LYING = SCUMMY. stop trying to fill the town with paranoia, scumbag.
I hate you.
lynch all liars.
OUTPLAYED. MY TOWN READ WAS A TRAP AND YOU FELL RIGHT INTO IT.
on a non self amusement note, Hezlucky is prob town, the only think I don't like is his talk about not clearing people who nuke scum, it felt a bit weird but other than that he looks like a good guy.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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AurorusVox wrote:>_>
Now you're just playing with me. Were the points you raised against her "a fucking joke" or was the comment about being "self-amusement" the joke?
Help me here. Sarcasm detection is not functioning properly right now.
all my posts amuse me. all the points i raised against mina were sarcastic jibes for her saying 'you shouldn't find me town now' plus imagining her reaction to it is funny.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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gorilla wrote:Swift Justice wrote:ToastyToast wrote:SocioPath wrote:This just in: Toasty is now high ranking scums.
For showing a distaste in poor arguments. lolk
QUADZ IS THAT YOU? QUADZ?
so he's your teammate you're turbobussing then, is it?
nah, it did give me the same vibe as some of the things quadz responded with early on in metamafia.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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But yes, I do find it off that you were quick to call me town for very weak reasons, so fresh after being fooled by me as scum (note to everyone else: I'm referring to an off-site game). Didn't you even say in the Queue thread that you can't read me? You said it was because I discussed set-up mechanics. Except I actually didn't discuss set-up mechanics at all; I just promised to get around to it and never did. And you've also seen me discuss the set-up as scum.
sigh just because YOU'RE paranoid about me (and you are, and it's amusing) doesn't mean I'm going to play like that. i trust myself completely to read anyone accurately. i mean sure if i consistently read you wrong you might have a point...but I don't, and you don't. you were trying to figure out a way to use the set-up to our advantage that's more likely to come from mina town. i don't see you making that post as scum and tried to articulate why, because you asked. you only discussed set-up mechanics in malazan because you had no choice, iirc.
equinox is now catching up I believe, and you get a +5 for calling me amusing, that is buddying.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Reg, It is a common occurence (in my experience) for scum to simply declare a player "town" for no apparent reason because it is an easy read to make (they know they aren't wrong) and it makes the town player less likely to want to lynch them (because the other player has correctly 'figured' out theri alignment) and it looks as if the scum is doing something.
YEAH I AGREE MAN.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Mina actually makes a good point against swift justice. (about recieving a town read before doing anything) Too often I see scum throwing out town reads in an attempt to 'get in the good books' of town players, making themself a less attractive lynch target.
I CALLED HER TOWN FOR HER FIRST POST. I GUESS I'M JUST GOOD ENOUGH TO BASE A READ ON THAT HUH?HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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This is the other head of the hydra checking in. I'm actually in the middle of reading the thread, but Faraday asked me to do some yelling at ToastyToast because he's getting ready to leave. Since I have no idea what I'm supposed to be yelling about, I'll just pick cherries here and have my fun while Faraday isn't here.
ToastyToast wrote:Seriously, stop changing your mind if you want
Swift Justice wrote:stop trying to discredit me by saying my posts aren't serious. what do you think of my points?
This to happen.
Both Faraday and I are quite prone to changing our minds, so this isn't going to happen anytime soon. Moreover, if you don't think Faraday's maneuver with Mina was a gambit, what do you think it was supposed to achieve? I know gut says one thing and one thing only -- and that's "twitch" -- but work with me a little.
ToastyToast wrote:(srsly, sign your sig its confusing)
I sign my posts. Faraday doesn't. Also, I type more long-winded posts than Faraday does.
Well, that was... um, quick? Back to reading, then. If there's something that requires immediate attention (i.e., within 15 minutes), link me or something because I'll be ignoring you lot until I get an idea of what is going on in this game.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Apparently, I didn't quite get the yelling down right, so Faraday asked me to add the following: Faraday didn't change his mind; the whole thing at AurorusVox was also a joke, as Faraday was mocking AurorusVox for not catching the sarcastic nature of Faraday's case on Mina.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Blatant prod dodge.
Faraday's been away without access, and I haven't had a free set of hours to sit down and actually read the thread. I'll be free for a bit tomorrow, so I'll read the last 5 pages or something and just jump in because you'll never hear from me otherwise.
Tomorrow, for sure.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Mina wrote:Equinox, can you summarize/paraphrase your AIM conversation with Faraday in which he asked you to post here, and you attacked ToastyToast with incorrect information?
It went sort of like this...
Faraday: I can't quote on this computer, what? Oh, well, I'll just copy and paste, as this is just a response to Mina.
Equinox: Okay.
[20 minutes in which we rabble about McDonald's]
Faraday: I gotta go check in now, so I'll talk to you later.
Faraday: Oh, and yell at ToastyToast, please. Read his last post.
The only thing I've read at this point is AlmasterGM's explanations for the DEFCON phases, so I look at ToastyToast's post and sort of pick at it based on what Faraday had revealed about his read of you, which was town based on your setup speculation and proposal to break the game. He'd asked me earlier in the evening to read his "case" on you, but I hadn't done that yet.
About 40 minutes later, he reads my post and comes back.
Faraday: I didn't change my mind. The thing at AurorusVox was a joke, too.
Equinox: Whoops. I'll go correct that now.
Faraday: I was mocking him for missing the sarcasm in my "case" against Mina.
Faraday: Apparently, I wasn't as clear as I'd thought.
Faraday: Ask Regfan why he marked SocioPath as scum despite needing to read him when he placed all the other people he needed to read as null reads.
Faraday: Wait. Don't ask. It's probably just a "meh" thing.
Equinox: I'll ask anyway and see what he says.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Vi wrote:Faraday didn't say anything until he started defending the idea of Mina being Town due to even THINKING about breaking the game, which is a bit shallow but more to the point seems like a token set of :words: to contrast with a sea of miscellaneous nothing.
Faraday's thinking on this was that early setup speculation from Mina was a weak town tell; furthermore, he doubted that Mina-scum would want to face the scrutiny of having to come up with a pro-town-looking plan and then following through with it.
Today happens to be Read DEFCON Day, so I'm doing that now and continuing when I come back home. Hold me to this, etc.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Swift Justice wrote:i'm not reading the thread but she need to die.
This is funny. You ignore me until I call you out on your terribad reasoning for the town read you have on Mina.
and THEN you want me killed?
You do the same thing with Vi too.
Tell me, are you afraid that one of us is going to nuke your scummy ass when it reaches DEFCON 1? Is that why you're pushing lynches on everyone who speaks ill of you?
I think it is~
i'm looking forward to nuking you.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Mina wrote:So LLD, I'd be interested in a reaction to my questions to you (re: your "grudgingly accepting my excuse") on Saturday.
Yeah, upon rereading LLD's ISO, I'm moving her from the town to the scum column.
Still on the fence re: Swift. His frustration sounds pretty townish at times. But Swift Justice's reaction to LLD reminds me of his reaction to Plum in MetaMafia. ("Yes, LLD is scum. Why? Because of her posts, lol.") Yes, you've made your point; you're Faraday, and you don't like explaining your reads. Howclever. But clearly you aren't doing it to fish for reactions, since you didn't follow up on your LLD read (admittedly, I don't think Faraday has been reading the thread since coming to Canada).
yeah...no wtf? explain how i'm supposed to 'follow up' when I was fucking posting up untill i was in the airport. i don't care anyway, fuck following up, i'll just kill her.
anyway mina's still town and my early reason is still the best reason for finding her town, mad haters gonna hate.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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LIKE A TRUE AMERICAN, I DID NOT BOTHER READING THE THREAD. ALL I DID WAS POP IN THE MOVIE VERSION OF IT AND THEN CHECK THE SPOILERS ON WIKIPEDIA.
In other words, I've only read DEFCON 3. I'll read the pages of DEFCONs 1 and 2 later when I'm not so swamped or distracted or whatever the hell it is that I do that uses up so much damned time.
In post [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3128388#p3128388]555[/url], HezLucky wrote:Lady Lambdadelta wrote:I'll be watching SDC/IS/Pooky closely for this reason.
Agreed. One of them is using meta to their advantage.
In two earlier paragraphs of this same post, you clear Screaming Death Clan based on Katsuki's logic and pseudo-clear Internet Stranger. You agree there's scum in this group of three. Why did you not touch on PookyTheMagicalBear?
In post [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3128661#p3128661]561[/url], MagnaofIllusion wrote:Magister Ludi wrote:I am going to be nuking (should I have a nuke) the player with the lowest post count as soon as we get to DEFCON 1. Don't be that player.
So before any actual voting / live Day scum-hunting goes on that might shape your theortical opinion on who is scum you’ve already decided who you would Nuke? And have phrased it is such a way that you aren’t even targeting a specific player but someone who meets and arbitrary guideline?
Gotcha. Scummy.
Mina wrote:(The one scummy thing I find about that interaction was Equinox's rush to yell at Toasty at Faraday's request...but then proceeding to completely defend the wrong point and say that Faraday's gambit was totally sincere. Faraday's recruiting her is a slight town tell (although he could have just been annoyed independent of alignment), but then she was willing to stretch the truth and defend Faraday's motives when she apparently wasn't reading carefully enough to realize it was a joke? That's why I want her take on it.)
I didn't read the thread. Faraday recruiting me is not a tell either way; he had airport business to take care of at the time, and I just happened to be online discussing with him. As you can see in the paraphrased log, we didn't actually discuss what he did in the thread, as I was supposed to read that while catching up but failed to do so; I opted instead to post a half on the spot and then respond in more detail later once I understood what was going on, but I flunked at that, too.
In post [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3128966#p3128966]575[/url], AurorusVox wrote:So can you tell me without checking the activity counter who has been lurking through the previous couple of DEFCONs?
Easy. If I don't remember a name, that name needs nukin' and needs it soon. That should net more scum than simply checking the Activity Overview, as scum would be using the scenario you're describing -- that it's easier to attack the more visible players -- to fly under the radar.
I'll need to cross-reference AurorusVox's original proposal for the submarine and AlmasterGM's explanation of it to see if it's legitimately scummy. Knowing that scum have submarine but not knowing who has it seems pretty useless to me, and your plan, as Mina states, would have left it wide open for scum to freely take submarine. Also as Mina states, you bringing it up in the thread seems too brave.
In post [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=3134619#p3134619]769[/url], Hinduragi wrote:...Since town hasn't been able to follow through with it, wouldn't scum be more likely to try it and pretend they followed through with it and failed?
Perhaps. I'll be following up with this when I read DEFCONs 1 and 2 since I noticed some things happened between those phases and DEFCON 3. As for Mina, I won't be following up with her specifically because I'm pretty sure she's town, and I'm not just parroting Faraday this time.
It's almost 3 AM here in America, so I'mgoing to be lazy and notjust going to wall you lot to death.
Some of the votes on the RedCoyote wagon made me twitch, so I'll go have a gander at that later when I'm woken up and a bit more alert. Specifically, Lady Lambdadelta's made me twitch, but I have a feeling scum would be sheeping this wagon, whether it's to SHEEP or to bus or whatever, and everyone's reasoning is kind of uniform.
You guys probably want something more than "I'MMA NUKE LADY LAMBDADELTA" out of this slot, so here you go.
Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, Regfan, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: AurorusVox, Internet Stranger
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky
Scum: RedCoyote, SocioPath, danakillsu
In Limbo: Screaming Death Clan, PookyTheMagicalBear, MagnaofIllusion, ooba, SpyreX
If I've left you out, I have no idea who the heck you are, and I expect to acquaint myself when I read the first 20 pages or so of game. If, after that, I still don't know who you are, I'm nuking you, Faraday fervor be damned.
Faraday logged on earlier and I annoyed him about Lady Lambdadelta. He said he'd reread Lady Lambdadelta in isolation when he gets the chance, but he thinks she's scum because she's not displaying "passion" for this game or something. I don't know if I agree, mainly because I don't think Faraday has read the thread since his last airport post and he's implied as much; as for me, Lady Lambdadelta's in that category of players with whom I need to acquaint myself, so I'm passing judgment later.
I mentioned a couple of paragraphs up that the RedCoyote wagon makes me twitch. Oh, it does. However, I also agree that RedCoyote took a very strange stance with building up competing wagons on two of his scum reads when the only realistic information that would provide is who's holding the power role (providing both are scum). Unlike most everyone else, however, I don't find his "Well, it's entirely possible that I'm wrong" to be scummy, since I think like that as well and occasionally maneuver as town on that premise. Still, the competing wagon thing is weird...
SocioPath lacks punch from [REDACTED] which concerns me.
danakillsu sort of but not really defending RedCoyote without stating a solid stance either way makes me twitch.
The limbo group are either inscrutable people or people who have posted both scummy and townish things and thus warrant reread or further observation. Lots of "or"s in there. Anyway, I need to read Screaming Death Clan; I agreed with Katsuki about their Air Base gambit, but the fact that they apparently didn't get it means that town read is downgraded and I'd have to read them anyway. PookyTheMagicalBear and SpyreX are in the "inscrutable players" group due to the way they're speaking; I'm going to look up SpyreX metagame tomorrow and see how he matches up. ooba feels like town, but I need to look up why he took Air Base; someone mentioned that he did or something. MagnaofIllusion alternates between TWITCH TWITCH TWITCHY TWITCH (e.g., above shocked eagle photo) and TOWN, so he's in the observation tank.
HezLucky needs nuking, I think, but I'll need to reread him also, particularly his later posts when the momentum moves off him and onto RedCoyote. He is in this category for the quote toward the top of this post and his question toward MagnaofIllusion about MagnaofIllusion's read of Screaming Death Clan "if there was only one scum faction." That made me twitchy, yes.
Who's left? AurorusVox and Internet Stranger gave off town vibes. I'll need to read AurorusVox given above, but his later posts left me feeling town on him. Internet Stranger and PookyTheMagicalBear I'll need to read in conjunction given similar posting styles, but I was feeling town on Internet Stranger for some reason I didn't write down? Uck.
Oh, Vi. She isn't screaming "TOWN!" like she did in previous games I've played with her (town and scum), and she's making my gut twitch in that small way it did in a game about 9 or 10 months or so back where she was scum, so I'll compare her play here to that and see what's going on here.
That's a lot of people I need to reread. The list isn't entirely useless, I hope.
I am not voting until I know where I stand with more certainty. Faraday, we are NOT voting Lady Lambdadelta. If you happen to skip this wall and you try to vote Lady Lambdadelta again, I'll fucking keep unvoting.
I need sleep.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Hinduragi wrote:
Equinox wrote:Faraday's thinking on this was that early setup speculation from Mina was a weak town tell; furthermore, he doubted that Mina-scum would want to face the scrutiny ofhaving to come up with a pro-town-looking plan and then following through with it.
...Since town hasn't been able to follow through with it, wouldn't scum be more likely to try it and pretend they followed through with it and failed?
we're not talking about scum or town, we're talking about Mina. and i'm pretty fucking clearly saying NO.
as for this whole recruiting equinox wtf? i had no more money to spend on internet airport, and it's a fucking bitch to type from my phone anyway.
HEY GAMMA WHY ISN'T ME AGREEING WITH YOUR READS A TOWN TELL, OR VICE VERSA?HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Swift Justice wrote:
Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, Regfan, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: AurorusVox, Internet Stranger
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky
Scum: RedCoyote, SocioPath, danakillsu
In Limbo: Screaming Death Clan, PookyTheMagicalBear, MagnaofIllusion, ooba, SpyreX
I don't get any warm fuzzy feelings about Toast, apart from that yes? maybe? Idk about Toogeloo I probably can't read him in a fair manner due to :outofgamestuff: so I'll just see what happens. Move Hezlucky down to maybe town, Ooba's maybe town. Haven't read that many(any?) of Moi's posts so sure why not. Let me read him now and let you know. Mina's like on a chesskid from defcon 2 level, btw.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Swift Justice (spefically Faraday) gets scum-points for 353. Why? Because I know for a FACT that Faraday scum pulls the kind of exact shit Mina / others were talking about. You did it in MetaMafia. So it being your biggest pet-peeve means jack crap.
hurr durr I do it as town too. that's why it's notascumtell.jpg
MOI's probably town, didn't read past his first 5 posts but dgb lent me her scumputer for the day, so it's pretty much fact.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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danakillsu wrote:Odd. So you think that RC and I have a scum QT together, and planned that he would bus me to no end, but I would refuse to bus him in return? That doesn't sound like any scum plan I've ever heard.
It's not impossible. Besides, not all things that scum do are planned.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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danakillsu wrote:I think you can be pretty darn sure that RC and I would have planned something that major if we were going to do it as scum together. But it not being impossible is not really good enough, because just about everything's POSSIBLE. This obviously indicates you realize it's unlikely, which means your scumlist doesn't make sense. I've got my eye on you.
Correct. Anything is possible. I also found your "I wouldn't do this with RedCoyote!" to be wholly unconvincing. You don't even bother addressing the rest of my reads; you opted to merely discredit the entire thing by picking at a piece of it.
If you have your eye on me, great. You can see the nuke coming straight for you as soon as it's launched and then feel how utterly useless your defenses are when it hits.
Let's play a game. I know your top 4 town reads, I know your top scum read, I know the names of two people you've done the Defense Dance around, and I know you've got an eye for me because I have a nice singing voice and a beautifully decorated nuke. Who else is scum?HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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danakillsu wrote:My top scumreads are HezLucky and Hinduragi in that order. Have you not been paying attention to my votes?
Where do you see me trying to discredit ALL your reads? Overly defensive much?
I knew your top scum read was HezLucky; I didn't know Hinduragi was another scum read of yours. I'd scanned your iso prior to asking and didn't see it. (Welp, I looked again and just saw it. I fail. Whatever, asking isn't a waste of post.)
As for your second point:
React only to RedCoyote and danakillsu reads? Check.
Not address any other reads at all? Check.
You obviously don't agree with all of my reads or else you'd have said something like ToastyToast did. You didn't even LOOK at them, you just pointed at me going "RedCoyote and danakillsu are probably European scum" and go "NO U." Makes me wonder ifyouwere the one being overly defensive.
Also, 2 scum reads, 4 (or maybe 6, a little hard to tell with you being all wiggly) town reads and... no attempt to look for anyone else. Yeah.
But you is for nukin'.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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ToastyToast wrote:Seriously, I think Swift Justice either as dissociative identity disorder or AGM forgot that they were in the same slot and sent 2 rolePM’s
ToastyToast wrote:My one problem. How did you manage to leave out LLD in your reads, then talk about her right after. She didn’t even make it to limbo?
Forgot. Shifted names around in the list as I got reads while going through the thread and then wrote the rest when I was done. Lady Lambdadelta popped into my head then.
ToastyToast wrote:You sound unconfident + 5.
I sound unconfident in the entire post with me having to reread like half my list. Whee!
HezLucky in particular, though, is a funny one because I saw this one post of his that made me go "OMG SCUM" and then over the course of DEFCON 3 people were going, "Nooo, he's just being silly town" and this was me:
That and I think his behavior as the game shifted from him to AurorusVox to RedCoyote might be very telling of his allegiances, but I didn't want to look that up at that hour. Might do it now given it's probably L-1 and I oughta gather my thoughts before nightfall.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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First, I'm going to take a look at the RedCoyote wagon and then read RedCoyote himself. I'll most likely not be able to get to the other players tonight, but I'll power through as much work as possible today.
RedCoyote (11) - Regfan (608), Magister Ludi (652), inHimshallibe (695), MagnaofIllusion (699), Lady Lambdadelta (702), Vi (706), Hinduragi (707), Katsuki (716), AurorusVox (770), Internet Stranger (774), Screaming Death Clan (778), ToastyToast (799)
Regfan and Magister Ludi vote RedCoyote for something that appears to have happened before DEFCON 3, so that was before my time. I'll find out later what it was, but they're on a pass for now. RedCoyote responds to players and votes AurorusVox in post 676. RedCoyote proposes the danakillsu wagon in post 686, which is when the sparks start flying.
inHimshallibe asks RedCoyote to get back on the AurorusVox wagon (687), and danakillsu disagrees with RedCoyote because he "[doesn't] have a scum read on AurorusVox" (688). Mildly interesting to me is why danakillsu doesn't wonder why RedCoyote would propose this kind of plan, like inHimshallibe and MagnaofIllusion did, but instead corrects him on AurorusVox; I may have to look up if danakillsu had some sort of read on RedCoyote, but the guy makes it impossible to find where he stands anyway. Also interesting is that Internet Stranger becomes annoyed at RedCoyote for pushing the AurorusVox wagon (694), but we'll see where he goes with it.
No problems with inHimshallibe's or MagnaofIllusion's votes. They were made in good logical time. MagnaofIllusion seems to think that RedCoyote's backtrack was scummy, though, whereas I think that line of thought could quite easily come from town; can someone with experience with MagnaofIllusion tell me if this is how he usually thinks?
Now I've figured out where my twitch was coming from:
Lady Lambdadelta wrote:RedCoyote wrote:And why would I advocate a wagon on a person I thought was town anyways?
I don't know. Why did you?
RedCoyote was doing anything but advocate a wagon on his town read; he very clearly stated that he believed both AurorusVox and danakillsu to be scum. Lady Lambdadelta skipped that part, it seems.
Faraday, I'm sorry I ever doubted you.
Internet Stranger rails on RedCoyote a bit but doesn't move (705). Eh, I can live with this, I guess, given how strongly he believed in lynching Vi. Speaking of Vi, I'm shaky on Vi joining RedCoyote but don't see anything wrong here (706).
Hinduragi's reasoning, however:
Hinduragi wrote:The entire exchange was bad. I don't get the unvoting of someone you thought was scum even if it is to prop up a wagon. I would've eventually gotten that job done. There's too much sidetracked reasoning for me to buy this.
*twitch*
...though at this point I'm wondering if {Hinduragi, Lady Lambdadelta} would have made the moves they did. I'll figure this out with further reading.
IguessI can buy danakillsu just being bad town? Depends on me reading his earlier activity in DEFCONs 1 and 2, since he seemed to be more opinionated in that than in this phase. It also depends on my read of Hinduragi as I go further.
In the meantime, MagnaofIllusion's push towards Vi (709) leads me to think he may be town. I might go take a look at his town play in recent games, but this is fairly low priority anyway because I can just bug Faraday about Godzilla's antics. Similarly, I like ooba pushing for Hinduragi (708); now that I've seen MagnaofIllusion's reasoning for why he believes ooba took Air Base, I think I'm comfortable moving ooba up to the list of town for something I'm not going to share right this minute.
SpyreX wrote:The other bits aside I really dont like the AV-scum better start another wagon business.
SpyreX wrote:I understood RC's thought process and, aside from switching votes off someone he thinks is scum, don't find it all that crazy.
Need to find out if these two quotes are connected. Are they connected, SpyreX?
*shrug* at AurorusVox (770) because he was late to the party, and it's hard to tell who's parroting and who's just late. I don't buy his point about RedCoyote missing Regfan, though, since that's probably null; it's easy to miss stuff if one is just zooming through the thread, town or scum. In other news, though, I probably need to read AurorusVox.
AurorusVox wrote:all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse.
We joined this game to nuke people. True story.
If it makes you feel better, substitute "nuke" for "lynch" and we should appear to be the same Equinox and Faraday you've come to know and love(?).
Internet Stranger hops off his lonely wagon on Vi to join the swelling RedCoyote wagon (774). This doesn't make me nearly as twitchy as the other votes have made me, so... eh.
Fate recalls Open 279 -- that was a fun game -- and calls both AurorusVox and RedCoyote scum before voting RedCoyote (778). Um... okay?
ToastyToast catches up from RedCoyote's post that I don't really recognize, but RedCoyote's strong town read on SocioPath is pretty interesting. A wall I ain't going to read right now as I'm going to be leaving in roughly 15 minutes, so let's skip to the end where he votes RedCoyote. No, wait, I just spotted this and it's hilarious:
ToastyToast wrote:Orly? ME TOO. Is it strange that I’m getting great town-vibes from Equinox but scum-vibes from Faraday? Torn hydra is torn.
A wise man once said that my posting style looks town. He was also scum, but I think the words are pretty true. Don't get snared by this.
I don't see any problems with ToastyToast, I think. I'll need to read that wall again when I'm not thinking "OMG I NEED TO GET READY," but... yeah, it's fine.
I'm done! Summary below, probably.
Update!
Town: Mina, Toogeloo, Katsuki, ooba, ToastyToast, inHimshallibe, Magister Ludi
Maybe Town: MagnaofIllusion, Regfan, AurorusVox
Land of Nulldom: Internet Stranger, RedCoyote, danakillsu
Maybe Scum: Vi, HezLucky, Hinduragi
Scum: SocioPath, Lady Lambdadelta
In Limbo: PookyTheMagicalBear, Screaming Death Clan, SpyreX
I'll discuss with Faraday about our conflicting reads when he regains actual access.
Faraday wrote:if you'd followed my scumreads there you'd have won the game there >_>
SAID THE SCUM WHO CONVINCED ME TO NOT INSTA-LYNCH PARAMA BUDDY. I AM STILL BITTER.
I'll think about where to fling my vote while I'm in the car. I won't vote until I have an actual read of RedCoyote, though.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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Gammagooey wrote:Equi do you just not have a read on me or what exactly- I would think it would be kinda hard to forget me since I've been calling you likely scum and such.
Correct, I don't have a read of you. You're in the group of players I'm reading for in DEFCONs 1 and 2.HIGH TIER HYDRA.-
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AurorusVox wrote:
Not sure what SJ hopes to get out of his banter with LLD. SJ is scummy, LLD is townish, and all the nuclear posturing is just making SJ look worse. I actually agree with LLD's sentiment that SJ is just trying to turn on whoever might nuke them down the line.
if you think i'm 'posturing' you're in for a fucking surprise. i fully intend to nuke lld in my very first post of the day. BOOM. HEADSHOT. just like that.
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