Cultural Revolution is Over!

[Glork]

Follow Mao Zedong Thought!

Vote: Bacde

because obviously, he doesn't follow the great Mao Zedong.

[Glork]

I'm not sure if the posting restriction we got actually means anything, probably not, but just in case...

<Snip Lots Of Post Restriction Requirements>

Question, Yosarian: Were you forced to post *ALL* of the post restriction sentences, or did you just feel like doing it for whatever reason?

Possible follow-up question: If you weren't forced to post every single one of those, why would you post all of them? Also, which one(s) were you forced to post?

[Glork]

Hmmm, I'll buy that for now. My first impression was that you posted all of them because you had a shady reason to hide which one is your real restriction. Which I'm not going to drop completely, but I'm not going to pursue it at the moment.

[Glork]

...keep in mind that some of these "posting restrictions" have likely been faked. At least, that's my guess at the moment.


In fact, I've got my first suspected restriction-faker.

Unvote, Vote: Twomz

It's "Communist Manifesto," not "Communist Manafesto." If you're going to fake a posting restriction, at least spell it right.

[Glork]

*Beats things savagely*


I've nothing else to add right now, except that I'm not completely sold on Twomz's explanation yet. I'll leave my vote on until something else substantial happens. Until then, I'm pretty happy with where it is.

[Glork]

For the record, I don't like the Post Restriction listing/analysis either. A comprehensive list makes things easier for mafiates to look at and analyze. Mafiates analyzing quotes might lead to patterns and/or role information. Mafiates having role information is a bad thing.

FoS: Supporters of the Restriction discussion/analysis

[Glork]

....no, bandwagoning is not considered okay. Not in any circumstances, at least. It's pretty apparent that you faked/posted the "restriction" to fit in with everyone else. What your motives were for doing so are unclear, but I don't trust your claim at all right now. Like I said before, my vote stands.

[Glork]

Tamuz,

Glork

, bacde, CES, and you are the ones who think the quotes are useless.

....huh? Whatever gave you that impression? I distinctly feel that the quotes are *NOT* useless, which is why

I don't want the town blindly guessing at what they (might) mean on DAY ONE

.

[Glork]

*Still keeping his vote on Twomz*

[Glork]

So basically what you're saying is, "Twomz is scum but since I'm his scumbuddy, I'm going to give him yet another post to allow him to bail himself out." ;P

[Glork]

There's little reason to be careful day 1 of such a big game if you're active. You'll always have time to unvote if you don't like how a bandwagon is developping.

Look:

unvote, vote: Glork

.

Are you looking for an

Unvote, Vote: Glork

bandwagon?

Or are you trying to say that you don't like the way the igota75 bandwagon is developing?

[Glork]

...well in that case,

Unvote, Vote: Twomz

.

[Glork]

...well in that case,

Unvote, Vote: Twomz

.

Care to back your vote up, scum?

Mostly I wanted to bandwagon myself to force myself to claim, but then I decided that'd be a bad idea. ;P

[Glork]

...and then I realized you were quoting the other post. I explained my suspicions regarding Twomz a while ago. I think he faked a posting restriction as a scumbag, then tried to cover it up. IIRC in fact, I'm the one who brought that to attention.

[Glork]

....so why isn't Twomz dead yet?

[Glork]

MODKILL the Capitalist PigDogs! Their "equal opportunity" sickens me!

The Communist Manafesto shall become the new Bible for all the Earth! Heil Hitler!

It's clear that he's joking here. Obviously Hitler has no direct relationship to the Cultural Revolution, so this can't be a valid post restriction. Obviously, more on that later.

No. It wasn't obvious. I wouldn't have singled Twomz out if I didn't think he was doing it for dubious reasons.

I thought i would be mod killed if i didn't post something vaguely pro Republic of Chinaian... I'm thinking most of the "posting restrictions" have been just a play along, or based on something the mod said in one of his first posts... i'm not going to take them all that seriously right now.

Here is his first response to the accusation of being a restriction-faker. His second sentence sufficiently explains his reasoning for putting up a quote. He thought everyone else was doing it for the flavor of the game, not as a posting restriction. So why is it that Twomz is still accused of faking a posting restriction?

Because I wasn't satisfied with that response (i.e., I didn't believe it), and I wanted to grill him for more information.

So the case against me is that i post scummy... and that i posted a quote in my opening post because everyone else was... Well, there's not really anything i can say about it, i always post scummy, and i have no explination for a "faked role restriction" because that's not how i saw it at the time. If the town wishes me to claim fine. It won't matter in the long run... activity will drop long before we'll be able to bandwagon anyone else. And... well, i'll finish this sentence after i claim. (if i can remember it)

People find Twomz' behavior scummy, but no one is suspicious of consecutive votes on him without a word of explanation? There is no real case against him, as far as I'm concerned. If people just say "he posts scummy," there should be a BabyJesus/TSAGod lynch in a couple of hours...

Yes, there is a case. If one player thinks that another player has been posting scummy,

they have every right to accuse the scummy player of being scum

. It seems like basic logic to me. Isn't that the goal of this game? To discern who is scum and get them killed?

Again, "his play is scummy" isn't a sufficient reason for lynch.

Also, in support of Twomz:

...I would like to point out that Twomz play isn't different from his usual.

I can't verify this myself, but if this is the case, then there is no reason to lynch him. I looked at Twomz post-by-post, and he's defending himself against weak arguments, which include faking a post restriction and "your posts seem scummy."

Scummy play should not be excused just because it is the "norm" for a player.

FoS: Glork[/b] for adamantly pushing the Twomz bandwagon, when his best reason was the supposed "faking post restriction."

...so.... FoS Glork for finding what he believes is a slip-up, calling the player out on it, and voting for them because they seem scummy (thus implying that he thinks they're scum).
What an *AMAZING* reason to FoS someone!! [/sarcasm]

[Glork]

HE SPEAKS!!!

Unvote

. I'll drop my little push against Twomz for now, but I still don't like the faking/bandwagoning/whatever-ing he did with regards to posting restrictions.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Bandwagon the other way!!

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: Twomz

Back to my bandwagon. Because I'm stubborn like that.

[Glork]

I prefer Twomz.

[Glork]

Nah, I wouldn't modkill CES.

[Glork]

I'm not scum!

[Glork]

Confirm Vote: Twomz

Despite the fact I know that last post was likely a joke.

[Glork]

No Lynch is bad. Twomz lynch is good. Seriously, guys, how many times do I have to repeat myself before you guys kill Twomz?

[Glork]

Soony boy said so.

?

[Glork]

...I still think Twomz is the way to go. I'm a stubborn, stubborn man sometimes. My vote stands.

[Glork]

Real townies know how to move on after sufficient explanation and proof.

Key word: Sufficient. I still don't believe that he was "trying to fit in with the town." Not in an innocent manner, anyway.

[Glork]

Though I don't like Bacde's reasons for bandwagoning earlier, I don't think that the bandwagon against him is legit. I'm sure that there's at least one scumbag pushing it, though I don't yet know who that might be.


Just my two cents on the matter right now...

[Glork]

Okay, I did a quick re-read. I'm gonna link to posts, because I don't want to take up a lot of space quoting a lot of things.


First, Thok said here that Chamber caught his eye. Chamber asked why and, to my knowledge, Thok never gave any reason. What's the deal, Thok?

Second, mlaker's no lynch suggestion. Day One No-Lynches are hardly ever useful or productive. We lose a night's worth of kills, and we can't read who was on a lynchwagon. We're just denying ourselves information by NLing. Nor am I happy with his most recent vote for CES.

FoS: Mlaker

for making such a suggestion initially, and also for immediately following The Unwritten after TU voted for CES. (Yay acronyms!)

Thirdly, Twomz's behavior still irritates me. But I think I've said that enough already.

Fourthly, Shamrock's bandwagoning is contributing to the Bacde bandwagon that I don't think should exist. I'm not happy with his earlier bandwagon vote, but I think he's defended himself reasonably. And I don't like when a bandwagon is pushed by posts like this.

Unvote Twomz

(*groan*),

Vote: Shamrock

. My scumdar says "this is the scumbag's re-rail attempt of the Bacdewagon."

Fifthly, Vaughn: Why make your vote against chamber?



I think that about covers it, for now. Not a fan of the Bacdewagon, not convinced that Y is scum, absolutely sure that there are 2+ scumfolk on the wagon, though. Right now, I'm looking at Shamrock, SOS, and possibly Yosarian2.

[Glork]

That explanation is satisfactory. Follow-up Question: Is that why your vote is still on Chamber, or is there another explanation?

[Glork]

Also, I want to request the following

Modprods: argus_kos, TSAGod, Pooky, Coron, igota75

More requests coming if others are still being inactive.

[Glork]

I still think twomz is the best lynch for today based on him pretending to have a psot restriction earlier. I don't think bacde is scum as I already stated, nor do I think the y scum for voting him

My thoughts to the tee.



Twomz or Shamrock. Your plays for today.

[Glork]

Reason for Bacde vote? Seems like shameless bandwagoning to me, under the "this day needs to end" appeal.

[Glork]

I was voting Shamrock for re-railing the dying bandwagon against Bacde. I've already explained that right now, I think Bacde's mistake was an innocent one. A stupid one... but an innocent one. However, I'll happily get back on the Twomzwagon if it'll end the day. And get him lynched.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: Twomz

I've stated my reasons repeatedly. No need to do so again.

[Glork]

I do not support the Twomz Bandwagon, because many of us don't have opening quotes. If he were scum, It would've made no sense to make such a play. Sure he's been scummy here and there, but playing with Twomz has taught me that that's just how Twomz plays.

Actually, Twomz's "restricted" post came very early on, before it was known that some people had no restrictions.

[Glork]

I thought I had already

Unvote

d to

Vote: Twomz

. Either way, it should be on Twomz now.

[Glork]

I thought I had already

Unvote

d to

Vote: Twomz

. Either way, it should be on Twomz now.

Fixed.

[Glork]

Well, if he's going to be confirmed by other citizens, I'll definitely believe it for now. If either Shamrock or docisalive dies and turns up scum, though, all three of you will be hanging.

Unvote

Time to re-read the thread and decide who I think is scummy, since I no longer like either lynchwagon.

[Glork]

Vote: mlaker

.

Reasons given here.

[Glork]

I'd like to know the same thing myself.

[Glork]

Okay, enough of this. CES is one of my masons. GTFO his wagon now.

[Glork]

You can only trust your family (no scum Masons here).

[Glork]

I don't think that all this claiming is such a good idea. If we have more than one killing group we might end up with much less power roles than we would like to.

The only claims I remember so far were Twomz claiming town (as there was a huge bandwagon against him), a pair of townie-claims to confirm him (one of which may have been unnecessary, and/or may have been false), and me claiming masonhood with CES (as there was a huge bandwagon against him, too).

No power roles have been claimed yet, and we've likely staved off two possible town lynches. How is this a bad thing?

(Note: That's not to say that the claims should continue. Alls I'm saying is, up to this point there's been little damage done.)

[Glork]

Unvote

Vote: mlaker

.

Reasons given here.

Reposted for vote-count updating purposes.

[Glork]

Er... I guess my vote is on mlaker... but it's' still on Twomz, too. Obviously, it should just be on mlaker.



Also, I'm thinking we might need a deadline. This has dragged on for a long, long time.

[Glork]

Can there be more than one mason group?

I believe so. The impression I got is that there are multiple families, each of which is a mason group.

[Glork]

Man, Fritz's tactics are flawless. Amazing. Impeccable! Obviously, the smart play is to lynch a mason or a likely-confirmed townie. Really, Glork supports that kind of behavior 100%.


Seriously, guys, let's just kill mlaker and be done with it, mmkay?

[Glork]

Unvote Nobody

[/PokingFunAtCES]

Vote: Thok

Something doesn't sit right with me regarding Thok. I'm not at liberty to say what's going on, but I think he's trying to pull one on us right now. No posting restriction thus far has in any way referenced specific roles or abilities, yet he claims that his previous post was restricted.
That said, I'm aware of the SK/Psychiatrist bit Thok was involved in from Married to the Mob, but CA turned out to be scum. I guess I'm still a little confused, so I'd like you to explain the reference a bit more. Are you joking? Are you saying you're scum? Are you legit? What's the deal, yo?
Additionally, his behavior on Day One doesn't please me at all. He voted Chamber without giving any real reasoning (though after I questioned him on it, he said he did it to test reactions... which I don't automatically buy). He also said he'd be willing to Bacdewagon to help end the day, and he just kinda hopped on the Mlaker wagon under the "he's behaved similarly to Chamber" guise. He hasn't sent off any *major* red flags (other than this post restriction thing), IMO, but enough small things to warrant some pressure.


Regarding the Night's actions.... only one death in a game this large is somewhat surprising to me. Now granted, we nailed an SK yesterday (yeah late-day bandwagon changing!) but a single death just seems.... odd... to me. The Cultural Revolution. Considering the flavor of the game, I wouldn't be surprised if there's a cult around here somewhere. Loyalty is easy to buy, be aware of traitors. There isn't yet any hard evidence of a cult, obviously, but I think we would all do well to be cautious (paranoid, even) of such possibilities.

[Glork]

vote: Glork

His post seems so scummy, fishing he is.

Yeah, masonvoting is tech.

[Glork]

Okay, Thok, I understand what you're saying about recieving a post restriction, but I still find two faults with it.

I was sent a pm that said my first post had to contain the faked words..

This phrase really bothers me. Again, I can't explain why (not yet, anyway), until I get a little more information. But I want to make it known that it doesn't sit well with me.

The second concern I had I already mentioned: None of the post restrictions I saw from DayOne had any mentioning of roles or abilities or anything. Yet yours does... that's definitely off-base and worth noting, IMHO.

So until further notice, my vote remains on Thok. I don't think a name claim is needed (or believable as "clearing" anybody), as masons aren't necessarily cleared (CES covered the whole "our third masonmate might be recruitable," and I hinted at it already), and even the Great Helmsman turned out to be an SK afterall.


Also, regarding Fritz: I have no idea why he keeps posting in Spanish, but from what I've read on the Cultural Revolution, there were no Spaniards, Mexicans, Portuguese, or anything similar for that matter. I've come to the conclusion that he's either doing a very poor job of faking a post restriction, or he's just screwing with us because he can.

[Glork]

Dear Fritzler,

Fail.

XOXO,
Glork


PS.

Unvote Thok, Vote: Fritzler

. The Spanish Inquisition was very oppressive, biased, maniacal, and militant. They didn't have anything to do with the Cultural Revolution from what I can tell. They tortured and persecuted anybody they percieved as heretic. Considering nobody in the Cultural Revolution has anything to do with Catholicism, I think we've found ourselves a scumbag.

[Glork]

Ah, I see. When you say you'll claim, then type "Fucking Spanish Inquisition," it confuses poor fools like myself.



Something about this still reeks, though, so I'll keep my vote where it is. Also, Fritz, why did you send that particular "posting restriction" to Thok? Why have him call himself psychiatrist?

[Glork]

So confusing.... no... please, stop it.... can't. Take. Much. Mo-



*Explodes*

[Glork]

CES will your daughter cease being able to communicate with you if she is turned?

Yes.

[Glork]

Alternatively, CES and I know exactly who that person would be. We can each send a PM to each other every night. If this other masonpartner fails to send one night, we lynch them the next day. I suggest the other mason group(s) try to make a similar agreement on their own. We need to keep regular tabs on those we think can be convereted, and having masonship is awfully convenient for such a task.

[Glork]

Nevertheless, Tamuz, I definitely think you were fishing. I feel kinda stupid for having revealed so much, but meh.

Unvote Fritzler

,

Vote: Tamuz

[Glork]

So Fritzler sent a PM, which results into a posting restriction for Thok.

The same happened for Glork.

Ahem? I don't recall mentioning a posting restriction or recieving a PM.



Anyway, if the SK no-kills, then says "oh, there must not be an SK," he can later claim Vigilante, announce who he kills, make the kill, and get off scot-free.
Also, keep in mind, people, that there are a lot of possible explanations as to why we had only one kill last night. Doc protection, roleblocking, killers pickig the same target, etc. People are so quick to assume that there's exactly one mafia with X people left, and probably a cult, and no more SK. It's really, really hard (and generally really, really stupid) to jump to such conclusions this early in the game. It's a great ploy for scum, because if the town goes along with these bogus assumptions, we could completely screw ourselves over.

[Glork]

Yeah, TU's claim that there are "in fact 6" mafiates makes me curious. Could you clarify the basis on which you made that statement?

[Glork]

Unvote Tamuz

(We can kill him tomorrow.)

Vote: The Unwritten

Let us crush him in the name of the Late Great Helmsman, Mao Zedong!!

[Glork]

Unvote

(Was I even voting?)

Vote The Unwritten

.

There was a vote count about two posts up.

[Glork]

Unvote

Hmm, how to say this without getting modkilled.....

I did in fact recieve a PM from the Mod indicating that there was a line I had to say. I was also told that I can't say that I was forced to write that line, so I'm not going to say what that line was. (This is why I was concerned that Thok claimed he was given a posting restriction. I was explicitly told that I couldn't reveal the words that were not my own, so I was wondering why Thok would've come out and said that.) So I definitely believe that TU has the ability he claims. Although (as Bacde said) proof of ability is not proof of alignment, I know that TU's telling the truth in what he claims to have done. Thus, I'm not willing to lynch him just yet. I definitely think it's possible that there are scumbags who would try to spread lies and/or propaganda via post restrictions, but I'm going to shelve those suspicions at the moment.

I'm don't know if TU is free to name the line that I had to say, but I can't reveal that line, so I'm not going to.



Thus, it's back to the Tamuzwagon.

Vote: Tamuz

for fishing and being a dirty scumbag. Tamuz? Or was that Twomz? I forget.....

[Glork]

For voting TU after his ability was confirmed, mayhaps?

[Glork]

Odd. Maybe there is a difference between Fritzler and TU. I think we need both Fritz and TU to give us more details about the flavor of their roles. I want TU to go first, and then Fritz.

[Glork]

Weird. Okay...

Fritzilator said something about being at a university? Mind reiterating/expanding upon your flavor, Fritz?

[Glork]

I think my vote should be on Tamuz already.

Vote: Tamuz

either way.

[Glork]

So we're killing Y tomorrow, right?

[Glork]

unvote, vote: Fritz

I knew we should've lynched him Day One. Still, I got the mlakerwagon back online, so I bet I'm 2 for 2 in this game.

Count it!

[Glork]

Hmmm, were you looking for something along the lines of this: ?
You cracked a joke?

Howzabout a good old-fashioned (Ajax is my other standard username... someone on another site made it for me because I have like a 61% scumrate on that site. )

[Glork]

I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I did recieve a PM from the mod overnight indicating that there is a line I had to say in my first post of Day 2. TU correctly guessed that I had such a line, so I can only assume that he sentt he ability to me.

[Glork]

Pwnd.

[Glork]

So many theories!!!

But focusing on hard facts is generally better......



TU-wagoners: Thok, Shamrock, CES, Glork, the docsalive, Twomz, Pug89, Bacde, Y, igotat75, edion0, BabyJesus (kinda.... that was after things had changed around a bit)
Tamuz-wagoners: Yosarian2, CES, Glork, Y, Twomz, Tamuz, TSAGod, Pooky, igota75, edion0, MMoD

Now, I'm pretty sure that both TU and Tamuz are pro-town (though I'm less sure about Tamuz... a lot of that depends, and we know certain people can be 'recruited' to the Red Guards). So, it seems reasonable to think that there's at least one scum that hopped on both bandwagons.

On both wagons: CES, Glork, Y, Twomz, igota75, edion0.

Well, CES and I are masons and should be pretty much confirmed pro-town. edion's dead, and was a Vigilante. Twomz's flavor from his claim makes it likely that he is in fact a Peasant. That leaves Y and igota75. I'm going to

Vote: Y

because, although I can't remember details off the top of my head, I do know that he was agreeing with other people (read: using others' logic to vote), and gave indications that he would just follow along any bandwagon that came up. (See Post 627)


Also, something about this post by BabyJesus set off my scumdar. He said he felt TU's claim was fake, when TU's ability (at the very least) had been confirmed, well after the wagon was off. I'm not sure why TU would claim different flavor, than what he had, because he couldn't have been recruited yet (Fritz was, obviously). And I doubt he was a Red Guard from the start, because Fritzler was converted (based on logic that I know makes sense, but don't want to explain for fear of giving the Red Guards even more info than they should have). I get this nasty feeling that BabyJesus was hoping for a TU lynch, and that he would be able to use it as leverage in defending Fritz later. *Shrug*

[Glork]

The death of docisalive seems to be from a wayward Doctor, or something. Read the flavor of the death: he was misdiagnosed. That implies an innocent mistake, methinks.... though I'm not sure why a doc would protect a practically-confirmed Peasant. (Oh, that reminds me: Shame on all of you who said "Docisalive is the play tomorrow" when his combined claim with Twomz basically confirmed them both.) It might've been a vigilante acting on the "docisalive is the play tomorrow" sentiment at the end of the day, but I kinda doubt it.

Fritzler was recruited by the Red Guards... which seems to be a mafia group with a limited cultlike conversion ability. That much, I'm sure of. The rest is all speculation and should probably be left until we have more information.

[Glork]

Yossieboy, why'd you post if you're not gonna vote for Y?

CES and Glork are really pushing bandwagons all the time. Who said that they're not scum under a "We're masons, we're cleared" disguise? Remember that CES was under a bandwagon when Glork said they're masons.

Yeah, because the fact that I talked about the family-esque flavor of masonhood, and answer Amelia's question about the flavor of multiple mason-groups (when I said that flavor implied there were more than one) on Day One. Before Amelia was killed and revealed as.... A MEMBER OF A FAMILY-ESQUE MASON GROUP!!



Y is definitely the play for today. BabyJesus is next. Dirty scumbags, both of them.

[Glork]

.....



Chamber, we've been in day for less than half a real-life day, and not even half the town has checked in yet. Next time you have a guilty, wait at least 24-48 hours so that everyone can check in.


Nevertheless...

Unvote Y
Vote: PBuG

There's no need for Y to claim

TODAY

. If he really is legit (although I doubt it), it just gives the bad guys more info.

[Glork]

...

Unvote PBuG
Vote: Pug

Made the same typo/mistake that Chamber did.

[Glork]

PS, Chamber: You might want to put your vote on your SK.

[Glork]

So were you explicitly told that Fritzler was a Red Guard?

[Glork]

Ha HA!


I think I've figured everything out concerning the Red Guards. TU's death confirms the beliefs I had shared with CES. So unless we both die in the same night (which I don't expect to happen), our information should be safe for a little while.

However, I will not be giving this information to the rest of the town. If you're creative, you can figure it out. Some of you, especially. The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. For in this type of game, there are many sources from which we can draw information, and the flavor in a game such as can become very important.

It's safe to say that the Red Guards have not recruited any more members. Either they recruit or they kill each night, and they've killed N2 and N3... and Fritz was recruited N1, as we can plainly see.



I take it Chamber got an innocent result, so I'll

Vote: BJ

, for obvious reasons.

[Glork]

I didn't expect you to actually follow my advice.



Let's hear from just about everyone and/or let things go for a full day or so before we discuss investigation results at all.

I'd like to hear from igota75, feuerdache, LmL, Yosarian2, and SOS especially. They have been pretty quiet for the most part.

[Glork]

He's lurked and voted for a likely-confirmed Peasant (on "I don't like people who harp on WIFOM logic" reasoning), mainly.



Y isn't in a very good position either. I just want to see how BJ responds to the allegations against him.

[Glork]

There are valid reasons. But I'm too lazy to repeat them. Trust the masons.

It's possible that rather than being masons, you and Glork are some of the Red Guard leaders faking a mason claim.

CES mentioned this, but perhaps I shoulde re-elaborate for you.
Read this post. Explain to me how --

BEFORE ANY MASONS HAD DIED

-- CES and I knew about the flavor-based nature of masongroups, and about how there are multiple ones (unless you're going to insinuate that the role descrpition "Li familiy mason" is misleading and that there is one mason group), while being Red Guards.

Major FoS: Thok

for pointing fingers at (other than chamber) the two most-confirmed players in the game.


At any rate, the ease of this bandwagon alarms me. SOS, who has lurked like a madman all game, popped in to say that he was going to vote with the masons on this one. I say we pop off SOS and see if he's a dirty scumbag trying to get BJ quick-lynched.

BANDWAGON CHANGE!!

Unvote BJ
Vote: SOS

Also, Bacde, your claim that I'm at least partly wrong.... intrigues me, to say the least. I'm going to re-read to see if I can't glean any information from you without asking for a more explicit explanation, but I may be demanding elaboration in another day or two if I don't like what I see.

[Glork]

Fail, BJ. One of Pooky's earlier posts (re-reads are tech) makes me think that he is quite the innocent. I could be wrong of course, but I believe that Pooky dropped a hint that we can easily verify.


I agree that there's probably a scumbag or two on your bandwagon, if you're pro-town (which I haven't honestly decided yet). Right now, I don't think it's Pooky.
Glork got your back, Pooks.

[Glork]

Given that we know that the Red Guard are a recruiting scum group, I'd think the mod would give them some knowledge of the type of groups they are recruiting.

Trying to outguess the mod is usually a bad thing to do. I would not suggest doing so. We don't know how much the Red Guard knows. That's why I'm being cautious with the information I've derived.

Also, do you really think I'm Red Guard? I'll point out that both you and Fritz (a known Red Guard) jumped on me for claiming to have a post restriction day 2.

Your point being.....?
1) I jumped on you because, supposedly, you were allowed to freely say that you had a post restriction... whereas I was told I could not say what words were not my own. Thus, the nature of your posting restriction seemed different. Faked, even.
2) I don't know why Fritz jumped on you or if you're scum. But from time to time, scum tend to finger each other in these games. It's called tactics. I won't discount the possibility that you're scum, especially when you question players who are more confirmed in a more concrete manner.

Finally, I'll repeat that I can clear myself instantaneously with a name claim.

Okay. You haven't nameclaimed yet. I'm not asking you to do so right now. I'm only saying that "I can clear myself" is not an indication that you should not be looked at.

[Glork]

Hmm.... maybe I *will* move back to BabyJ.....


He's just so much fun to kill.

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I, however, Like the bj wagon a lot.

And that is supposed to mean something?

It might mean something. Chamber has not yet said anything about his investigation result from this past night -- he's given us neither a name nor an indication of "innocent/guilty."


So it's distinctly possible that he got a guilty result on you, which would explain why he likes the wagon so much.

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1) Your mistiming of the TU wagon. You voted him after we had confirmed his role and decided it would probably be better to look elsewhere.
2) Your voting of Shamrock because (this is paraphrased, I'm too lazy to go back adn quote directly) "people who argue WIFOM is scummy bother [you]." When Shamrock was in the group with Doc and Twomz who basically confirmed themselves as Peasant Townies.
3) Your voting of Tamuz today after he had given CES and me the impression that he knows about the nature of Masons and/or recruitability.
4) Your general non-willingness to contribute.



No individual reason is particularly solid. Added up, they make me feel pretty confident that you're a good lynch.

Unvote
Vote: BabyJesus

[Glork]

We can

look at

lynch Coron tomorrow. Or Y. He hasn't dropped off my radar just yet.



Let's pummel BabyJesus to death today!

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I will be out of town between Thursday (13 April) morning and Monday (17 April) around midday to visit family for Easter. I might have limited access, but that'll be iffy.

Proxy to CES

, if I'm allowed to.

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I'm back.

Unproxy

Time for a re-read.

[Glork]

Unvote
Vote: SOS

Thought he was scummy earlier, still do. I think he's a pretty good lynch for today.

Also, I echo the comments about if Chamber has a result on Y/BJ/SOS, he should reveal. Otherwise, he can keep quiet.

[Glork]

I think SOS needs a prod or something.



Or we should just lynch him already.

[Glork]

One more to hammer.

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FoS: Y

, for not shouting Hammah.

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HAMMAH!!

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....awww, my woman got killed!! ):


Should I reveal my other mason-mate? That person communicated with us overnight, so I'm pretty sure that unless there's a backup Red Guard Recruiter (a distinct possibility), this other person is still a GG. Maybe I should leave it up to that player to decide..... Although it's possible I'll be next -- they seem to be after the Masons who have been partially responsible for 3 out of 4 scumdeaths. <.<


Anyway, I'd like to see a Y lynch for the afore-mentioned reasons. My position on him hasn't changed. I need to re-read to see what else I can glean from the game. This has been probably the most bandwagon-heavy game I've played here, so finding scum clues will take a lot of searching....

[Glork]

....awww, my woman got killed!! ):

Btw, this was totally under my breath and in priavte. I didn't really read the flavor until after I made the post.

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Hey Twomz, what's the flavor behind your role? Are you a farmer, or a student, or a trash collector, etc. etc. etc.?

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(No, there is no mention of a job in my role, i'm assuming i'm some sort of farmer or factory worker, probably extremely poor).

That's all I wanted to hear.


Anyway, I'd be okay with a Y lynch.
I'm still unsure about a Shamrock lynch -- wasn't he the other person who confirmed Peasantness with Twomz and thedocisalive?

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Hmm, interesting. Shamrock -- did you have any flavor beyond being a "Peasant"?

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Tell me the Ywagon reasoning, so I can join without being an idiot.

Vote: Bacde

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BTW, I'm mulling over whether I believe Shamrock or not. His claim doesn't exactly fly in the face of everything CES and I had talked about, but I (naturally) find myself having a difficult time believing a guy who claims that he was sorta recruited, but declined and is a Red Guard that wins with the town. I'm really torn about this claim; I think we should let Sham slide for now, but he's probably not going to survive until the end of the game, one way or another.

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Shamrock can you tell us about your original role?

:goodposting:

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Oh, I donno, maybe the fact that you're asking for a reason so that you can simply bandwagon another player?

I'd like to see you contribute a bit more.

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Bacde, I understand your desire to know the reasoning behind Y wagon -- it's the bandwdagoning comment that bothers me. Instead of going hunting for your own clues, you just want to hear bandwagon-logic and decide whether or not to hop aboard.

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If Chamber did in fact get a Guilty (I don't remember him saying either way), it might be a good idea...

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I actually second Tamuz's suggestion. If there is another Pro-Town Red Guard, I suggest they come out right now.

[Glork]

Hum.

Okay, I can believe them for now.

Unvote Bacde, Vote: Y

.

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Why, Thok? If Bacde is Innocent and has admitted to being in the same boat as Shamrock, I think we can trust them both. So there's no reason to put either of them in danger. (Since, now that the word is out, they would both be in danger of being nightkilled.)

I think we should use them as potential (though mostly ineffective) Vigilantes. Just have them send in whoever they think might be scum -- or whoever we think is scum. At the very least, it would limit the Red Guard Leaders' choices, and we might get ourselves a cross-kill if Elite and Yunan do not know each others' members.

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No, Chamber is not cleared for sure. Maybe we *should* lynch Bacde or Pooky as a tester. I'm somewhat inclined to believe him for now, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that Chamber is scum of some kind.

Also -- though Fritz was an unnamed Red Guard, his alignment was revealed as "Maoist," whereas all of the nightkills have been on "People." I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that Fritz accepted his recruitment. Why he wasn't given a specific alignment? I don't know, I can't answer that. But right now my gut tells me that Fritz's situation is different from that of Shamrock and Bacde.

[Glork]

Can we also get a

Prod on LoudmouthLee

, and

Replacements on Feuerdache and igota75

?

[Glork]

Out until Sunday/Monday.

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I can't believe Y might survive another day, but I think Bacde might be a necessary lynch. Chamber declared an innocent on him, and he claims to be in the same situation as Shamrock. It might be worthwhile to test a bunch of theories at once, even though I'm somewhat (though only somewhat) inclined to believe the lot of them.

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Chamber, would you mind describing the flavor behind your role?

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I'd be more then willing to glork. At night I can torture someone to find out about them.

...why do you torture people?

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Also, what's your name?

I'd like a little more to work with.....

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Bacde? Pooky? Any clarification or verification on this?


...where is Pooks, anyway? Does he need prodded?
...yes. Last post April 29. I want my Pooky!!

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I haven't found anything either. Even if we become unsure of his legitimacy, though, the safer lynch would still be Bacde. If Chamber is a Red Guard in some way, it's likely that he lied about someone -- Bacde or Pooky, perhaps.

Better to toss a townie whose alignment is in question anyway than to possibly lynch our cop.

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Why is Y still alive?

I've been wondering the same thing myself.


I say we off Y and allow the Chamber/Bacde situation to stew for another day. I don't think we're going to get a very reasonable lynch out of all that today. Though, as I've said before, I would lynch Bacde over Sham, Chamber, or Pooky -- he gives us the most information by far, and he doesn't appear to be an important role in the least.

[Glork]

You've been recruitz0zred.

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Okay, I think it's time I revealed the speculation CES and I had been doing the past couple of nights.

Fritzler was a Red Guard Recruit, and claimed to be a student who passed messages to other people.
The third person in our family masongroup is a student at a local school that has been shut down -- and we were flat-out told that if our child was recruited by the Red Guards, they would stop talking to us.
Y claims to be a Medical Student... I'm pretty sure that if Y hasn't been recruited already (which I suspect to be the case), he'll be recruited.

Basically, we made the conjecture that recruitability was tied in with one's flavor. That's why I've been asking about people's flavor as they claim. I know I pretty much get one shot at catching someone with this, since everyone from now on will make up some alternate flavor if they're a student of some kind. But I decided after talking with CES that the Red Guards probably know that the students are "impressionable" in these times, so I don't think I'm giving them any info that they don't already have.

I'll admit that this Bacde/Shamrock situation confused me a bit. But I'm still certain that our initial conjecture holds. I have to current theories as to what's going on:
1) Chamber is a mafia cop, or has been recruited, and is protecting Bacde by claiming Bacde's innocence. Bacde, Sham, and Chamber are all scum (Recruited scum? Not sure yet...), and this is part of a pretty elaborate gambit
2) Students are automatically recruited to the Red Guards, whereas non-student players (like, say... Peasants) have a choice. In this case, Bacde and Sham are telling the truth, and Chamber is probably legit.

This is why I said that Bacde might be a necessary lynch at some point. I'm reasonably sure that he, Sham, and Chamber are all of the same alignment, and Pooky might be tied in with them as well (though I think Pooky is/was a Peasant, based on an early post he made). Bacde's lynch would give us a lot of information, and could help break open the game's setup/mechanics.


....but I digress. Personally, I think Y has been recruited and made up the the "% failure" part to cover up his failure to protect if/when the real Doctor dies. Like MMoD said, I find it a bit unlikely that both the regular and backup would be %-failure players. The backup's penalty isn't that he has a chance to fail his protection. It's that he has a chance of being recruited and possibly becoming a Red Guard Doctor.

Confirm Vote: Y

, and I suggest that we (or just you folks, if I follow CES to the grave tonight) consider lynching Bacde tomorrow.

[Glork]

<--- Doesn't care, as long as it will help the town win the game.

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Gosh, I totally didn't see that one coming...


Bah! Go town!

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Five days, five scumlynches, and I led three of them almost singlehandedly.... yet the wrong result, once again.


I'd really like to see the setup on this one. I'm aware that the Maoists had some recruiting troubles, but the fact that the recruited Vigilante got to keep his killing ability really bothered me... especially conisdering there were TWO recruiters in the game. The town lynched 7 scum and had 5 mislynches... and yet they lost? I'm very, very interested to know how the rules/mechanics worked out, because I felt that the town was at a distinct disadvantage.

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Overpowered? ...not when three of the masons (one in each group) were recruitable. Even if one is recruited, that means Recruit + Lynch the Recruit is effectively a mislynch. Scum were still getting 2 kills/night until the Converted-Vig (which I really can't get over) was lynched.