I agree with Beck's assessment that he must be scum.
Also, I know we have several hydras in here, but I'm not sure I'm aware of all of them. Ivan, Greymarble, and I think one or two more. Who are the others?
Beck wrote:
This is my 2nd game on site so no but if you have been playing here since 2008, so I'm taking an assumption you are a good player
Yank wrote:You're voting for me because you guys are able to twist words? That's convenient.
YankCane151 wrote:What defense? Ivan pretty much said he's keeping his conclusions to himself, and still hasn't stated a case against me other than me saying "At the Same time." So yes, it feels to me that he could be opportunistic scum. I can't have a lame defense if I don't know what I'm defending myself from, and I'm not going to sit here and defend my word choice. What I said regarding the jester is exactly what I thought(Didn't know they weren't in normal formats), that Beck may have been trying to hard for a lynch. I don't see how I'm 'evenhanded', and I thought what Beck was saying early game was anti-town and weird. Past that, I don't see your case.
ICEninja wrote:Minor deterrent attacks like these more frequently come from scum who need to attempt to dissuade people from voting them than town who is genuinely innocent. I do it subconsciously as scum
ICEninja wrote:Town also rarely needs to state that they're town, particularly this early. Another thing I do subconsciously as scum.
ICEninja wrote:I would like to ask one question of everyone, though. What is your timezone?
CS wrote:@Sungenius: Do you still like your Beck vote? I feel like pressure on him will get us no further and his joking was probably more town in hindsight. I can't see scum wanting to draw attention to themselves unless it's for a pro- town reason. What do you think of Acro?
Sleepy wrote:You thinking Yank was scum until post 49. Why the sudden change?
Sleepy wrote:@CS
RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
+5
Confid wrote:A trait I've noticed in various mafia games throughout the interwebs is that scum, more specifically newer scum, tend to want to make sure that everyone knows why they are doing what they are doing, so that they won't get suspected for it. Your [Acro's] statement seems to fall in line with that.
Yank wrote:@ICE: Of course I'm nervous of thetown pushagainst me.
Yank wrote:Acro: Why exactly do you think I'm scummy? You just threw me down on the bottom there without much else comment.
Subgenius wrote:In conclusion, my vote isn't doing much on Beck, and it looks like Acro might need a few votes on him before he decides to contribute. I'm less concerned by the fact that he's not voting than the fact that he's not voting OR contributing much in other ways. This is troubling to me.
Unvote
Vote: Acronach
Acronach wrote:also, after last game where i was basically blindsided by an obvbuss, i don't really blame SK for calling me VI.
YankCane151 wrote:Sub: I think Grey's one post was out there and like you said, I'm wondering why he hasn't contributed more.
Sleepy wrote:My reasoning for thinking Acro is a VI:
Sleepy wrote:RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
Sleepy wrote:Acro is a VI. Of course he'll do anti-town things.
SleepyKrew wrote:It is protown to not vote when you have no idea what to do. It's VI-ish having no idea what to do.
SleepyKrew wrote:Acro is a VI. Of course he'll do anti-town things.
Beck wrote:@sub, if somebody thinks somebody is VI, what is wrong with that person defending the VI from being lynched (going under the assumption that the VI = town read)
SleepyKrew wrote:*sigh*
Not voting when he had no idea what to do. Protown.
Not pressuring or questioning. Anti-town.
Having no idea what to do. VI.
Sleepy wrote:Acro is a VI. Of course he'll do anti-town things.
Ivan wrote:This post doesn't make any sense. Your premise is fine, but your conclusion is strange. Essentially you're saying that SleepyKrew has scum motivation to defend Achro, so either scum Sleepykrew is buddying town achro, or scum SleepyKrew is defending his partner. Achro seems like an unlikely townie to be buddied, especially if SleepyKrew thinks he's a VI. On top of that, calling him a VI defeats the buddying as no one particularly likes being called stupid. And if he's right and achro really is a VI, then he won't be a very useful pawn anyway.
Therefore we should assume that SleepyKrew is not scum buddying a townie. That means that you assume he is scum defending his scumbuddy. If that is the case, then Achro must be scum for this to hold true. Therefore, if you actually place store in this you should be trying to lynch achro first.
Ivan wrote:This is where you vote Sleepykrew, and it implies the same thing. Your argument requires achro to be scum therefore you should be voting achro if you actually believe what you're saying. You aren't, therefore you don't.
Acro wrote:if i was maf and he was town...
Acro wrote:i don't think he was defending me, but rather he was defending the idea that voting when you don't have a strong FOS on anyone in particular is anti-town.
SK wrote:RVS is OVER. Acro did the right thing not slapping on a vote.
SK wrote:Like I said, RVS is OVER. And [Acro] doesn't want to use his vote now, don't make him.
SK wrote:And the town motivation is [Acro] didn't have any clue who scum were.
SK wrote:I want to give [Acro] a chance. If he gives a shitty response, then make room for me on the badnwagon.
SK wrote:Acro is a VI. Of course he'll do anti-town things.
Acro wrote:i know defending him makes us look like scumbuddies. although he may be scum, i'm not. sleepy is in no way clear, i am in no way clear. i would be happy to take one for the town and be the first lynch, but i hope it doesn't come to that.
Acro wrote:gonna take some time to think about what could be going on as far as the sleepy defense thing.
Acronach wrote:Beck wrote:SleepyKrew wrote:No. Acro is in no way clear.
than I don't get your defense of him
ditto
Beck wrote:It's more of I am trying to not get confused by all these hydras posting from the hydra account and their real account, and this incredibly stupid love triangle of SK, Acro, and Subs
SleepyKrew wrote:@sub
Thoughts on Ivan?
SleepyKrew wrote:But he's defending me. By your logic, isn't he my scumbuddy?
Acro wrote:you seriously expect people to pay attention to those points when you didn't even read what you're talking about?
Acro wrote:is there any town motivation for not claiming heads?
CA wrote:Justifying a mislynch is a scumtell . . . and this post is guilty of that.
Acro wrote:ok, where?
Subgenius wrote:Regardless, I'm not all that interested in whether or not Sleepy had a valid reason for calling Acro a VI. I'm interested in why he felt it was necessary to excuse Arco's refusal to vote in the first place.
Subgenius wrote:I didn't read the link, because it's irrelevant to my suspicions of him or you. I don't care why SK thinks you're a VI. I care why he went out of his way to defend you, and I care why you seem to be going out of your way to return the favor.
Subgenius wrote:I'm really not interested in whether he is or isn't a VI. Judging purely on this game, I'd say he's not, but it's irrelevant. The important thing is the mutual defense between Acro and SK, which I still find quite suspicious.
Subgenius wrote:The case would be the same whether he excused your non votes based on a meta history non-voting, or a defense of non-voting in general (which he did), or attacked the one who was trying to pressure you based on non-voting (which he did). The VI issue is irrelevant to the reason anybody finds SK scummy.
Dictionary.com wrote:
irrelevant (ɪˈrɛləvənt)
— adj
not relating or pertinent to the matter at hand; not important
Acro wrote:ok, now you're just being a dick
Acro wrote:so why do you just assume it's irrelevant? and i'd like an answer that isn't "i don't care" or anything similar to that.
Acro wrote:and a big part of the mutual defense is the VI thing. why ignore it?
Acro wrote:honestly, i can see where hes coming from in both cases as far as the defending me is concerned, and that was more of a "voting vs. not voting" debate rather than a "lynch acro or dont lynch him" debate. i don't think he was defending me, but rather he was defending the idea that voting when you don't have a strong FOS on anyone in particular is anti-town.
Yank wrote:which is why lurking for the time I did worked in that favor
Ivan the Pleasant wrote:
vote: Subgenius
Da Koolzy wrote:Don't hammer yet. I reserve the right to do so after I check a few things, and respond to some pending questions directed at me.
Acronach wrote:V;LA for the next few days. i probably won't be back until after the deadline :/ Hoping for the best today. GL town.
Grey wrote:Acronach is town primarily because he cares and is trying to find out who scum are.
Grey wrote:Is the town brand of WIFOM I think. Also town are susceptible to being buddied for the reason described here. Or at least I am.
Acro wrote:He passes up an opportunity to hand somebody some scumpoints (towntell assuming Captaintown, which seems right), and then talks about the manner in which he plans to get reads (a favorite towntell of mine).
ICEninja wrote:I'm almost inclined to vote Grey, I'm just not sure I want my vote off of Acro.
Greymarble wrote:This doesn't say anything about the alignment of the person calling him town.
Greymarble wrote:Yeah, I figured me getting lynched was the only real alternative to him getting lynched considering the deadline coming up.
Also the wagon does have a lot of people I think are town on it, so I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.
Beck wrote:
Sub, can't put my finger on it yet, but I'm leaning scum on you now. The way you tried to change your vote to grey like it tortured you or something doesn't sit right
Ivan wrote:Yeah, lynch people you know nothing about to make yourself feel better. good job.