Mini 1211: Murder in Sicily [Over]
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I've seen fake Daykills Day 1.
I've also seen real Daykills Day 1.
I've also had mods who would take that joke and, if you were a DayVig, have it carry over to Day 1.
Also, Friend is scum-- not Omgussing, either, but he's snuggling up to Substrike, and already bandwagonning on the first, easiest candidate.
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Yes, the reason is that you're scum hopping on the first one.
At least, I assume. You didn't give any other ones.
I won't wifom you and say that sucm wouldn't play that poorly, because the succinctness of your posts so far don't show me that you're going to be a highly contributive player.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Because I'm upset about the possible Daykill of a player who might have been town? Because of I'm upset about Substrike22's softclaim?
...Because I have a vote on me and you won't get blamed for starting the wagon?
"The reason should be pretty clear." Well, it's not. instead of letting me come to my own conclusions, why don't you be a pro-town player and aid communication, instead of hindering it. Tell me what exactly you meant here.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Obvious joke is possible daykill. I expect it was a reaction fish, which is why I just said, "You'd better be joking" instead of revealing it as a reactionfish.
Like I said, on my native forum, that would be taken as an actual daykill, if the player was an actual DayVig.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Yes. Explain how the syntax makes a difference.
If Scumhunter flips scum, then you can lynch me all you want, because I'll admit, that would look really scummy.
However, I make that kind of mistake when scum. And there's no reason to think that Scumhunter would be scum. So why kill him?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Substrike22 wrote:Then I'd be confirmed town.
Yep, I hadn't thought about that. Anyway, you're not so much scummy, I've seen that trick as a reaction-fish and clear a newb townie. I think Friend is scummy.
But this leads me to my first question:
What do you do with shitty town players? If the Daykill had gone through, and you were confirmed town (although, aren't there any other Daykilling roles, ones that AREN'T town-aligned?) would we let you live?
Okay, this speculation is getting to far-fetched even for me.
I think wewouldlet you live, even after pulling a crack move like that, if you were conftown.
But I would not like keeping you around, either.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I said you could lynch me, because the original thought to post was
If scumhunter is scum and I'm very upset about his being Daykilled, I'd vote for me
Or,
...I'll replace out of the game.
The first doesn't serve any purpose, the second would be harmful to town and I won't do it anyway, But If I do something so obviously scum-telling as that, I would not resist a lynch. I'd hang my head and cry.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Whiskers wrote:Also, Friend is scum-- not Omgussing, either, but he's snuggling up to Substrike, and already bandwagonning on the first, easiest candidate.
Vote: Friend
Also, like I said, we have MORE than those three player now, so any of them could be mafia, not just one of us three.
Is anypony coasting under the radar so far in this game?
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of the three of us, he was the one that was obvscum. In a three person game, there can only be one mafia, so really, I only had to focus on him
Now we have a game where there could be as many of four mafia (I estimate), and while he is my top suspect, he is not much scummier looking than the rest.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Can I say it like this?:
Let's say we have three colors, yellow, blue and green. One of these is much more obviously yellow that the others, while green has some yellow in it, and blue none at all, yellow is the yellowest.
Now, let's add ten more colors. These colors all have yellow in them to, to varying degrees. Yellow, though it still is quite yellow, is a bit more hidden in the tide of yellowish colors. While it may, in fact, be one of the three most yellow colors, now there are other colors to analyze.
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I'm having a really hard time explainin ghtis in a way that makes sense.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Kay.
I have to be the player who's too dumb to live in this game, but i'm a dead mouse, and unless I sit on my hands and do nothing until you exhaust all the scum you can get out of me, you'll just keep pushing for my lynch. W/e. Lynch me.
Until then, maybe you guys shouldscum-hunt?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Substrike22 wrote:I somewhat agree but also encourage early wagoning, though a lynch in the second RL day of D1 would piss me off.
Whiskers is clearly acting scum.Early reaction to a random day-vig(which somewhat implicates Scumhunter, but not really that badly, even if Whiskers flips scum... struck me more as Whiskers trying to score town points than raging off of his buddy's death.),reluctance to place a vote, and finally a lack of any real scum hunting.All of his discussion has been about why (he's?) not scum, versus who is scum. There was a mention of Friend being scum but it was, in my opinion, somewhat reaching at straws in an attempt to steer a counter wagon away from (himself.) So... yeah.
More thoughts to come...
No friend, I have, in fact, NOT been doing any scum hunting. I've been defending myself, which only opens me up to more accusations. That is why I am putting a stop to it. I refuse to defend myself any more.
As to whether or not I WILL get any scum-hunting done, we'll see. I'll do my best.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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First, I've gotta ask what this means.Panacea wrote:I'm not liking Whiskers's play at all, but I've been insta-targeted Town and not liked my play, either.
No, and that's why I haven't done any real hunting: I've been defending myself, and I haven't seen any glaring scumslips in the attacks on me.Panacea wrote:Whiskers, you're right, most of your posts have been defense, and that doesn't look Townish. What do you think of your wagon? More people are posting- who's yellow-est to you now? Has it changed?
I know, which is why my analogy doesn't make sense the way I want it to. I mean that now,Panacea wrote:Because your analogy supplies that the addition of other players only conceals the initial yellow from the three-color scenario, but doesn't change nature. Okay. So by your logic you should still be pursuing your first col- I mean player.in comparason, he doesn't look any worse than the rest of you. Where he looked glaringly scummy before, he only looks minorly, comparitively scummy now. There's a lot more to compare him to. [/quote]
Panacea wrote:Furthermore, we have 13 players. Would you really call yourself a "dead mouse," on page 4?
Yes. I've grown quite attached to using the phrase. When players keep tunnelling hard on players who already look like a probable D1 lynch.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Worst case scenario, (for my survivability,) I get lynched.
Y'all could lynch a player who was mafia, you could lynch a player who wasMorepowerful than me. Could be better or worse. Either way, me feeling sick to my stomach from whatever I just drank has helped me to realize that I won't hear the end of this bullshit until I post something. Give me a couple of minutes.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Gotta start with a lame player: Monk. yep, I capitalized your name.
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Next is iamusername.
Spoiler: ISO -1, since it starts at #0!?
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Ha, ha, ha. OMGUS LTR, time to do his. He only has two post though. one being his confirm, the other being a response to a prod and giving no explanation as to Why he's voting for me. Well, except that I'm "the only one who stands out." Thanks for you fantastic insight and scumhunting. Man, where would we be without you?
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Here's one that's a bit more meaty. Almost nearly ten posts! WOW! Not bad for the first couple of days of Day 1, plus some pregame stuff.
Come on guys, why don't any of you post?
Anyway,Spoiler: Panacea, ISOs
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Spoiler: Substrike, ISOsLast edited by Bub Bidderskins on Sun Jul 31, 2011 4:43 pm, edited 2 times in total.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Hmm, perhaps. I looked and It DOES appear to be in chronological order-- at least, LTP did vote after monk did.
There WAS a page of fluff in between though.
I don't know, I still like the idea of monk as scum. Well, w/e. Chances are he's just a badtown player. Why do we get so many of those here?
monk, get your ass in here and post some content.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Tovarish wrote:Whiskers: there's many differences between scumhunting, and just being rude. Chiefly, you're doing one of them.
Really? I bet it's the first one.
@Panacea: Where does your grain of salt wane? be specific.
And, yes, you've mentioned the RAGING inactivity in this game. Gonna do something about it.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I think this is the game where I said that I would simply NOT try to defend myself anymore.
I stand by that-- come at me bro. If you have a good case, make it. I still think my Daykill freakout was not wholly unjustified.
And I like the reads imusername has given to the wagon on me. Perhaps this whole thing will be more useful that I'd hoped.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Sorry, for some reason all my posts today seem to be oneliners.
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I was about to vote bob. I'm not super conf. he's scum, let the feeling I get ferment for a few hours, then I'll vote him. Who I don't like is LTP, but I guess he's a null because he's posted so little? Here's who I really don't like: Musicninja. Yep, enough of this is OMGUS, but we have a lurker starting out his playerslot, then we have a scum read on players who were (at the time) aligned with me-- although I'll admit I'd forgotten that iamusername had declared me town with no explanation at that time (so was technically aligned with me, too). Then the whole bit about Townie-survivability.
Now, I have a few strong reads on who I'm confident about their being town-- Three that I'm strongly confident, including me-- and Musicninja isn't one of them.
Vote: MusicNinja, so you know where my mind is.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Excellent point! ISO forthwithcoming:
0: Replace conf. Says he'll get right to scum hunting
1: Finds me instead. "Doesn't like the wagon forming" on me.
2: Bullshit that doesn't make sense. Ask for individuals, as iamusername (wasn't it?) said, all of these are not true.
3: What IS your "plan to beat the scum"?
I voted (mainly) because I don't like you. But I am making a case.
4: "I also boblynch, but we must evidence!" So, you follow the crowd-- that's the bit I'm picking up here. Is :It's good to lynch scum the first day" an Appeal to Emotion? or just regular filler?
5: Wants evidence for a lynch... is that why he hasn't put his vote on me?
I'm seeing no votes, I'm seeing soft-core wagon support. I'm seeing coming in under the radar and agreeing fervently with the other players. It's not enough to lynch you for, but it's enough to not like you for.
What is this whole thing about Not Voting, anyway? Do you think I'm scummy? No, let me rephrase that: Do you think I'm Mafia? Then vote me. Your combined ["I want to lynch scum the first day!" "We need more evidence!" and Not Voting] look a lot like the guy who took his vote off of me because I made a Vanilla Townie claim. He said, "I will not mislynch!" Um, right.
If you think I'm scummy,vote for me. No, sorry, I take that back: If you think I'm MAFIA, vote for me. It's the only way to win.
I'm pretty sure you guys have enough people who want me dead, to make me dead.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Scumhunter wrote:I also can see how Whisker's votes seem to be for anyone but himself. Not great town play I'll admit but survival instinct is not solely a characteristic of scum necessarily. Townies don't want to be lynched either and I can think of some reasons a town-sided player might act that way.
Actually, Not voting for myself is something new that I'm trying out.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Tovy, you're back, come and play.
Also, just looking through Tovy's Isolated Posts, Looks like his case on me is: Big reactions, and rudeness.
Tovy, do you have any OTHER reads?Tovarish wrote:I'm still looking at Whiskers as my primary suspect, with bob not following that far behind.
"Bob following not far behind." What does this mean? Where does this come from? Where's your read on bob? Is it gut? Are you recycling other players' reads? Would you bother giving up any other information than that I'm rude and I "over"reacted to the fakekill?
Who's your third pick for scum?
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Thank you for posting something, at least.
Also, I assume you're referencing me.
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Funny because it's true. What makes it even funnier is that you thought I was kidding.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Friend wrote:MusicNinja, if you're saying you want evidence for a lynch, then why in the hell are you not questioning bobsnox? Why isn't your vote even on anyone, for chrissakes?
Weeeell, I like this one especially.
I'd like to vote Musicninja, but I can't yet. If I move my vote, My wagon becomes the biggest and it looks like I'm flopping around.
I'm still going to pull an incredibly dangerous move here though:Unvote.
MY oppourtunistic vote will be between bobsnox and Musicninja. Musicninja looks bad, and more scummy. He looked scummier faster. bobsnox looks bad, and scummy. However, Since I reckon it's a Whiskers-or-bobsnox lynch today, and if we lynch me you'll forget about bob & MN, I'm keeping my vote open so I can hop back onto Bob.
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Loud, persistent scum can convince players of many things. A Whiskers lynch is not out of the question at this point. Even if I convinced you to vouch for me, You are one player, and I honestly Do Not Trust the other players to Not lynch me to avoid a no-lynch situation.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Tovy, I hope you're just misguided, and not scum. The way you're playing, it will be really hard for them to lynch you.
Whiskers wrote:Tovy, you're back, come and play.
Also, just looking through Tovy's Isolated Posts, Looks like his case on me is: Big reactions, and rudeness.
Tovy, do you have any OTHER reads?Tovarish wrote:I'm still looking at Whiskers as my primary suspect, with bob not following that far behind.
"Bob following not far behind." What does this mean? Where does this come from? Where's your read on bob? Is it gut? Are you recycling other players' reads? Would you bother giving up any other information than that I'm rude and I "over"reacted to the fakekill?
Who's your third pick for scum?
Hm, I think I already SAID this somewhere...Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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The way you are playing-- Hm, how do I define it? You certainly stand out to me. Not as scum; in fact, I think you're likely town. You look... clean? I really don't know how I can explain it to you in a way that makes sense.
I think you're probably town, you look town, so I hope you're not scum, because you don't look like it, and a scum player who looks like a town player is a dangerous kind of scum player.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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I agree with both of Monk's points:
"First, I can get behind Iam's town-Whiskers justification back on #143, mainly because my read on him is more panicky-town with scummish twinges than outright scum at the moment. Plus the game he linked us to checks out."
And then she puts me on her probscum list.
Don't worry, I'm not forgetting that you did pick up good tells on me between those spots in the post. Still, if I'm scummy, vote me?
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Next, your vote on LTP; he's lurking or something. maybe he's just abandoned. I'm pretty sure we're not lynching him today, [preedit, I just ;ooked and we've still got a good week left,] but we've put vote pressure on him before and it did nothing.
Vote pressure on him did nothing, and now he's about (probably) to be replaced. Why put your vote there? It's not only safe, it's encouraging a nolynch. Your actively lurking-- doing something that has the effect of doing nothing.
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No, Iaskedif you were recycling tells. I do it all the time and it's not overly scummy or anything, but I wanted to know what basis you were using.
I know, Friend has been playing like that all game. He played like that at the beginning. I said something about consise posts and him not contributing much.
TBH I let go of him because it was making me look bad to attack him, I didn't really have very good reasons for doing so, after the game started, and because he was asking the right questions and placing the right votes. He is so strong and confident (sounds sexy.) that with his encouragement I moved my vote to MN. Nopony HAS questioned him, but that's because he hasn't done anything scummy and he has been right here and willing to answer stuff.
Maybe that's just how I perceive him?Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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Yes.
Want a longer answer? Yes, because it was drawing a lot of unwanted attention to me. I was trying to get some players to turn around and look at Friend and maybe consider that he was scum, but it wasn't happening. I stopped attacking him because it was going to get me lynched, which statistically would have have been bad for town.Integrity, Pride, Confidence, Anger, and Truth.-
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