The Mafia Dating Game Show 2 - Game over!

[Amrun]

/confirm

[Amrun]

VOTE: Lowell

Absolute policy.


VOTE: TCM

Every single post of his is scummy. I know he's a newb but there is a limit.

Why did you get an av? Why did you unvote?

Vifam: Whose alt are you?

Fourseen: what is your mafia experience?

Thief is townz.

[Amrun]

Why is vifam scum?

[Amrun]

Tclaw is town. I totally agree.

If I had a third vote it would be on vifam.

[Amrun]

Fourseen, why did you vote tcm and lowell?

Teamsleep, yeah, no. You are too know how badly dumbtown can hurt town, and to know how lurktastic lowell is. He's almost impossible to read since he never posts and is a lylo liability, usually.

We get two lynches a day and putting upsome super scummy characters with some unreadable cgaracters is the EXACT right move. They will either prove themselves or die.

[Amrun]

Because you said some things that made me think you are.

Still not convinced you're not, but I don't really care that much. If you are an alt you are concealing it so probably won't play to meta anyway.

P-edit: Fourseen, what is your experience with Lowell?

[Amrun]

Max, who was I supposedly buddying and where?

I somehow missed a bunch of posts last time I posted wow.

[Amrun]

Which scum, MoS?

[Amrun]

You don't need to replace because of inexperience. It will be okay. Stick it out.

Everyone's a newbie sometime.

[Amrun]

Which scum, MoS?

Dunno yet. I cba to do in-depth analysis on Day 1.

Cba?

Vague suspicions really bother me. They're scummy.

How I'm feeling about tmc:

He has done many scummy things - in almost every post I could point ut a scumtell, in fact.

However, he is a newb. Newbies tend to do scummy things.

But newbies aren't excluded from receiving scum roles, so I have a hard time just ignoring scummy things.

Similarly, I find fourseen scummy (but less so), and I am struggling to figure out what to attribute to newbishness and what to attribute to scumminess for both of these players.

Newbies should not be escluded from the scum ppool just because they're new.

Being newbies, they also tend to have pretty genuine reactions, which is why I think puttng TMC into the hot seat could be very telling either way.

Once into the hot seat, if tmc turns out to be quite townish under pressure, then that's what the save vote is for.

I'd also be happy to see Vifam in the hotseat along with Lowell and TMC.


Something I just noticed: Why is vezok so quiet?

[Amrun]

You're not new, as far as I know.

You are scummy.

I have done more scumhunting than anyone else in this thread.

Try again.

[Amrun]

Lowell will post maybe once a game day, ever.

If he gets in the hot seat, he might post enough for me to get a read on him.

I'm not an easy target. Find another.

[Amrun]

Max: Calling people town is not buddying. At all. Neither is agreeing with somoene, but that's debatable.

Teamsleep: Naturally, if Lowell is replaced, there is little reason to put him in the hot seat.

Vifam: You playing the "I'm a newb" card annoys ME and is scummy to boot.

Your theory is deeply flawed, especially for this game. This game has a special mechanic and town will be better off to utilize it to its fullest ability.

Wagons are this game's best tool; we need to pressure as many peopple as possible to see who we want to put in the hot seat. We need to put scummy and hard to read players up, a mix of both, as a reading tool and a failsafe in case one of them claims something we don't want to lynch.

This stage of the game is not nearly as final as the next.

Vifam, you are playing this game too much like normal games, and your posting within it is scummy. You are attempting to look for things to attack rather than probing intention.

In short, you are playing the game as if you are trying to get anyone other than yourself lynched, which is how scum play, rather than trying to find scum, which is how town play.


Everyone: keep in mind the top 3 votes. Don't let your top suspect get up with two town reads. We need to spread.

[Amrun]

I like how you're pretending that you didn't find tmc scummy and vote for him. You're attempting to attack me for being LESS aggressive towards tmc than you yourself were. It's hypocritical.

I expressed the newbie/scummy dichotomy; you just went after him, and now you're crying about people attacking newbies when you also did.

Right now, the only non-newbies active are me and Mastermind of Sin, who is probably town. This game is chock full of newbies, which is. Fine, but totally invalidates any argument you are trying to make.

I question the scummiest active posters and the inactive posters most likely to cause problems, and you try to paint both of these as scummy. In reality, neither of them are. (But painting people into corners is.)

[Amrun]

Vifam, I do not want to wagon newbies just for being newbies. That's a plain and simple lie.

Teamsleep: CKD has posted like once. I was talking about active posters there. I also prefer Lowell be replaced, though.

[Amrun]

That's the gist you're attempting to get from it so that you can misrepresent me.

No. Not even close.

[Amrun]

That quote comes from a post in which I was discussing the merits of putting TMC specifically in the hot seat to show why I wanted to do so. I certainly wasn't launching a full-scale attack againt newbies. By some standards, I still am one. There are plenty of newbies posting I have no interest in lynching (teamsleep for example).

[Amrun]

Even if you were responding to the TMC thing, it really doesn't change the fact that you basically said "Preassureing new players is a good idea" at some point.

Not at all. You have to actively try to twist my words to reach that conclusion, in fact, which is what you are doing.

As you JUST quoted me saying, all I was trying to say was that scummy characters like tmc should not be allowed to run about acting scummy just because they are newbies.

Exactly what I said was this, condensed: TMC is scummy as fuck. Yes, he's also new, but that is no reason to ignore his scumminess. Newer players are easier to read which is to our advantage.

Vifam, you seem to be championing newbies here, which is hypocritical on several levels, such as the follwoing: you are also proclaiming to be a newbie deserving of such protections; you are also attacking and trying to lynch the same people you are defending, for very simoilar professed reasoning.


P-edit: you don't have to say you know or doo not know what is going on to "pull the card." You are the one who doesn't know what that means.

[Amrun]

By simultaneously pushing the idea that pressuring newbies is bad and that you are a newbie, you are subtly pushing the idea that pressuring YOU is bad.

The ccherry on top is you going after tmc yourself.

[Amrun]

Then do a little legwork of your own, is.

[Amrun]

Amrun - stating that people are town based on one early post when that person is under no threat of a lynch and there is little reason to state they are town

is

buddying.

I disagree that Vifam is playing any sort of newbie card.
I think FC was above though. I agree with Lowell.

I totally disagree. Sharing townrds is not, and will never be, buddying.

Disagree about Vifam, but agree that fourseen is playing the newbie card. As stated, I do find fourseen scummy, but why are you avoiding the vifam issue? The "newbie card" is only one small thing I mentioned about Vifam. What is your stance?

[Amrun]

Please unvote vifam and put your vote on more useful places.

[Amrun]

If vifam gets "accidentally" hammered we'll be in a tricky spot.

[Amrun]

Meeeeeeh, Lowell is probably town.

Listen, Lowell, if you don't keep posting I'll push for your lynch again.

Unvote: Lowell ; Vote: Maxous

[Amrun]

So, you'll vote for me later even though you think I'm town. Gotcha.

You are not 100% town. You are giving mediocre observations so I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, for now. This is merely notification that I will consider lurking a scum claim from you, should you fall back into that habit. You will not be allowed to lurk2victory as scum or to become a liability as town.

We have two lynches a day. This set up allows us to get rid of baggage. Don't become baggage.

[Amrun]

Unvote: Shotty

, since that waggon does not seem to take of.

Vote:Thief

Someone who doesn't care who is lynched, scumtell.

How is that a scumtell?


Vifam: you're STILL doing it. "I'm new" + "attacking new people is a cancer to the game" = defending yourself for newness = newbie card.

The ONLY POINT of wagoning people is to guage their reactions, so yes, I want to wagon people and evaluate reactions. I do NOT want to wagon people for being new. I want to wagon people for being scummy and/or unreadable. TMC is new and I was explaining that being new isn't a reason to stop a wagon on someone you also find scummy for the purpose of seeing TMC put in the hotseat.

Also Lowell is not new.

[Amrun]

No, just Lowell really. Over the games I've had with him my rage has been growing.

My push against to him led to him actually posting a bit, so I say success has been had.i

[Amrun]

I'm pretty sure you're not reading the game at all. I'm not voting Lowell anymore.

[Amrun]

I will actually lynch him, if he stops posting and/or posts scummy. I think I made that clear. If you read.

P-edit: he's voting bc vezok DIDN'T do that.

[Amrun]

Lowell? Scumhunt? Since when. He's done more scumhunting because of me pressuring him than he did in my last three games with him combined.

Vifam, vezok normally shamelessly bandwagons as town. Most of the time he claims day 1 for no reason.

So when you note an abberation from normal town play in a player, you take note of it.

Vezok is making me a little nervous truth be told. I'd like to think he's just improving.

[Amrun]

Yeaaah I have to say I've never once seen IS white knighting.

But I've been scumbuddies with him and I don't think he did it then either. Of course I didn't give him a reason to.

[Amrun]

Bzzzt. Try again.

Perhaps white knight is too strong of a word, but my frustration with Lowell goes way back. If I were just "attacking VIs," there are plenty of other candidates. Unfortunately.

[Amrun]

MoS: Bad plan early game. Put up two obvscum and one town ... An obvscum claims cop. Watdo?

Later in the game when things are less up in the air this can be more viable.

Unvote: mb53; Vote: Vifam

[Amrun]

Stefan, I misread that. I read it as "doesn't care if he is lynched." Apologies.

[Amrun]

No, I do not. What a lazy, poor attack. What is up with you, is?

[Amrun]

I wanted fire and brimstone out of you. I am disappoint.

[Amrun]

No, IS, at anyone. I wanted raaaage this game, given the set up.

No one will rage with me.

And I can't help it if this game is all herpaderps. You can't throw a stone without hitting 5.


The lurking is disturbing me.

LURKERWATCH:

Lowell
Vezok
Hiplop
Mb53
Other lurkers I forgot because they lurk.

[Amrun]

Why vezok whhyyy

Mod: Can we get a prod on mb53? He never posted iirc.

[Amrun]

Having pretty serious technical diFficulties; will last at most until the 27th. Note the v/la banner.

I WILL be posting within that timeframe but when and how I can't quite predict.

I've been struggling the last few days and finally the technology demons havef ully latched on.

Why can't they both die?!

Fourseen, how about content instead of jokes?

[Amrun]

Have to catch up on yesterday's hotseat.

Godfather lynch <3

[Amrun]

This is OT, but did anyone just feel like some random earthquake?

What the actual fuck.

I did!

Catching up now.

[Amrun]

Unvote: Vifam

Vote: FourseenCircumstances

David. I am kinda bored with this current game seeing there is nothing to go on to find scum at this point. Perhaps with a hammer on vifam well uncover more information

Is bad, very bad.

On other points: InternetStranger, you vote someone for a real life injury? Really. Okay you told us later, that you found him scum, but voted only after Vifam got on VLA. IGMOY, InternetStranger.

So the maxvoters: Why do you exspecially think he is scum, don't really see the case.

This post is alarming. Not only does it defend Vifam, it takes a bad potshot at IS, who was killed overnight.

Yepp, Vifam you are trying I have to give you this. And don't stopp it.
It would have just feeled better to have more reason to

Vote: Vifam

And Maxous would have been my first savingjoice.

Preview:
Very gastly deads.

This reeks of coaching.

MOD: Can we decied to save neither of them?

Unvote

Vote: FC

Sorry this claim screamed scum. But seriosly considering getting FC on the hotseat tomorrow again.

After the horrible claim, of course he was forced to bus - but he really wanted FC dead too. A troll, what a delicious mislynch opportunity!

But FC is pretty OBVIOUSLY town after being on the hotseat.

And Stefan wants FC to die, and yet ...

...
Your other points: I called Fourseen crazy as in Jesterlike yesterday, not scummy. A person who is acting like he want's to be lynched (like Fourseen could be seen yesterday) is not necessary scummy, but somethink else.
...

Today, Stefan says FC is not scummy. Since the bad claim apparently convinced Stefan Vifam was scum, nothing SHOULD have changed. Why was FC scum in twilight but not scum today? This is obvious cognitive dissonance.


And of course, Stefan's twilight post:

The scary thing is whitout the claim you would have probably survived.

This really sounds like they are scumbuddies.


I intend to vote for StefanB, but I want to make sure our top three is exactly where we want it first. No need to get cocky and quicklynch. We need today to be just as informative as yesterday was.

Still, at the end of it, StefanB needs to be in the hotseat.

[Amrun]

I dont like either of these...

but going

vote vifam.

opposite of vez.

CKD definitely pushed strategically for Vifam to be saved yesterday, and today, he's going for AtE.

It's possible Vifam just fooled him, but in general, his short posts at strategic intervals during the hotseat time look bad and deserve to be mentioned today.

VOTE: ckd


Town (in no particular order):

MoS
vezok
Lowell
TheLoneWolf
Fourseen Circumstance

[Amrun]

ehhh.....

vote:vifam

i dont like either of them. but something is just off about fourseen.

btw, vla till sun/monday, apt hunting!

LobsterCatapult really fencesat the whole hotseat without any real explanation, always "just" siding with saving Vifam.

VOTE: LobsterCatapult


I forgot; mb53 is also town, despite his lurker status.

[Amrun]

OH YEAH tclawren is also town.

[Amrun]

Eh, stefan's defenmses seem townish, nbut I still need an answer for one important thing:

Do you think fourseen is scum? Why did you want him on the block again?

Also, snipping quotees is not at all scummy when you indicate they were snipped as I did.(It's not ever scummy unless it is misrep anyway.)In that quote, you were saying that Fourseen is not necessarily scummy. So which is it?

[Amrun]

Also, drop the ad hom. "Are you normally so bad" is intended to insult me and throw me off guard - and that IS scummy.

[Amrun]

Neither of those are scum.

[Amrun]

A) I did not use the quote out of context. It was talking about your stance on fourseen circumstance, which is a massive fencesit and doesn't add up.

B) Using knowledge from the future is the only way to scumhunt properly. I found nothing else in the thread to indicate why IS was killed.

C) My case is valid, whether or not you are scum. Your behavior yesterday was worthy of notice, whether or not you were just a flailing newbtown or a flailing newbscum. It's your job to convince me you're town, if you are.

Also, please use spell check. I have a feeling English might not be your first language, which is cool, but basic spell check would really help the legibility of your posts.

[Amrun]

Stefan, that is so full of bunk. Vifam would probably have not been ion the hptseat at all if not for me. Did youi fporget who made the case on her?

[Amrun]

I clearly stated my intent to vote for Vifam much earlier in the day, but didn't want the wagon to buold too quickly so we got our bottom two in order first.

You are the one who totally sheeped me regarding Vifam, so that's a bit rich, MoS.

[Amrun]

Okay, this one is a lot less nice, I try to make you all see why I am
so ugh, about Amrun. I interpret some of her stance in her posts,
that I think are misinterpretations (I can't interpret them
differently, but how I interpret them doesn't make much sense)
This is for making thinks clear not chronological but sorted through
arguments:

I attacked yesterday while unvoting Vifam (yes his wagon was a safe go
to the hotseat at this point so I looked, who I wanted into the lynch
also)
following posts:

I am bored. We can't find scum. Perhaps a hammer one Vifam will give
us more information. (FC abridged)

and

I say we put him out of his misery then.
unvote: Maxous
Vote: Vifam (IS)

reacting to a VLA because of Pain.

(Last with a IGMEOY)
Amrun:
This is bad, It attacks dead town IM, and defends Vifam.

Me:
I had good reasons to attack the votes, that isn't the same as
defending Vifam. I had good reason to atack IS yesterday, he wouldn't
be confirmed town if he wasn't killed.

Amrun (Now that I can't believe myself, but only interpretation
possible and to much fun to not post)
You have to ignore circumstances to scumhunt probably. The knowledge
now known is the only think important. (So if I understand this right, IS
was obvious town yesterday because he was night killed)

And since I don't find anyone else to blame the nk on, I blame it on
you.

Me:
So scum nk now people they call scummy?

Amrun:
Ignores it.

Your grasp of English is fairly poor, so we'll assume you are accidentally misrepping rather than purposefully doing so.

You are totally, completely missing the entire point. I use IS as a reference point only because we now know he is town. IS was far from obvtown yesterday. He didn't even make any real attacks on anyone based on anytng valid. This does lead me to think that it's a newb scumteam that chose him simply due to his join date, but that's not what I was talking about.

What I was saying is that when IS votes Vifam after she goes v/la - which did nothing to change her previous actions, by he way - instead of going after scum, you chose to discredit a townmember's vote on scum for an arbitrary reason. If you are town, you d know IS was town at that time, but that doesn't change the fact that somebooing v/la is no reason to let a leading wagon die. But scumbuddies hoping that t a v/la would disperse a wagon might make this mistake of attacking someone for voting after v/la was declared.

You keep saying that this wasn't a defense of Vifam, but it absolutely was. You attack someone for voting Vifam. That is a classic chainsaw defense of Vifam. The fact that Viis confirmed scum and IS is confirmed town makes this look bad for you.

Also, you said I "ignored" when you supposedly said something about it uncommon to kill someone they suspected. Not only does thing to do with what I was saying, you never said this for me to "ignore" in the first place.

2 Point:
The coaching

Amrun: This is coaching.
Me: Coaching to what. Normal play? That's normal and totally
understandable because of my history with Vifam.

This is absurd. You admit to coaching but think it's okay because you played with Vifam before?

3.Point my stand on FC:
Takes my stance at the end of the hotseat were I was definitely angry
with FC and want's to point out who it doesn't make sense with my
point today.
For this she takes a post were I made clear what was my thinking at
the beginning of the hotseat at point 1 (look last post, the reason I
posted it).
So takes my opinion from yesterday for today.

Me:
You take this out of context.

Amrun:
Snipping is not scummy. Only if it is a miss reap.

Me:
That's the whole point.

And the post that she thought we were scumbuddys on.

I still don't see what was supposed to indicate that was your view from yesterday, so that was my misunderstanding. that doesn't at all change my point, though. In fact, that makes it stronger. If you didn't think FC was scummy at the beginning of the hotseat, why didn't you vote to save him?

My reaction very bad case, try to defend himself, vote her.
Asking is this normal Amrun? (Okay lot less nice)
Here: Your defense sound town, but in the end you are ad hom,
scummy, scummy, scummy.

It's actually a pretty good case for this stage of the game. We have you chainsawing scum, coaching scum, and fencesitting.

This is a fairly normal case; anyone displaying these behaviors around flipped scum will be called to answer for their actions.

I have actually liked parts of yur defense, as stated, but I have to weigh that against the extreme scumminess of your actions yesterday. A couple of genuine-feeling reactions mixed in with some less-genuine-feeling reactions simply do not make you town in light of the whole game.

[Amrun]

Amrun wrote: (All quoted Amrun words)

Your grasp of English is fairly poor, so we'll assume you are accidentally misrepping rather than purposefully doing so.

Okay now going into name calling. Perhaps you understanding and making points is very poor. Can you at last try to stay a bit civil.

Listen, saying your English is poor is not an insult. I was trying to be nice and give you the benefit of the doubt that your blatantly incorrect statements should be attributed to language difficulties and not pure scumminess. Your English is poor and I have a hard time following all of your posts - but I try, and I would not do as well as you if this forum were in any language but English, so I bear no hard feelings towards you. Still, you need to realize that your posts are hard to decipher for a lot of people and make allowances for that. That is not uncivil at all.

What I was saying is that when IS votes Vifam after she goes v/la - which did nothing to change her previous actions, by he way - instead of going after scum, you chose to discredit a townmember's vote on scum for an arbitrary reason. If you are town, you d know IS was town at that time, but that doesn't change the fact that somebooing v/la is no reason to let a leading wagon die. But scumbuddies hoping that t a v/la would disperse a wagon might make this mistake of attacking someone for voting after v/la was declared.

Okay when did I CHOSE to discredit a townmember's vote for an arbitrary reason. Was that the moment I found IS scummy and stated so? I wasn't the only one by the way. Or do you mean now, when I was defending against you? Yes I think it is better to wait for someone who is not proven scum to give time to defend. Fairness Amrun, perhaps not got to have in a mafiagame. And you keep your eyes open even if you think someone is scum.

I already quoted the post for you. You discredited IS' vote against Vifam for a bad reason when there were possibly better reasons to discredit it (such as him being bored etc). Vifam had PLENTY of time to defend and you wanted to stop the entire wagon in its tracks just because Vifam declared v/la, by your own admission.

You keep saying that this wasn't a defense of Vifam, but it absolutely was. You attack someone for voting Vifam. That is a classic chainsaw defense of Vifam. The fact that Viis confirmed scum and IS is confirmed town makes this look bad for you.

Okay after checking, who do you mean. FC, who never voted Vifam, or IS who I never voted?
That the same stupid think like OMGOS, after you make a beautiful case. Voting Vifam is not the reason for the vote. Voting someone after stating they don't think he is scum, but were just bored is not Chainsaw defense. Pointing out that someone had a not so good reason to vote someone is not Chainsaw. I think that is just stupid. I didn't even vote IS for it, I just pointed it out and called this vote scummy.
Chainsawdefence is there to stop a wagon. Not pointing out that one or 2 votes on a 9-Personwaggon are bad.
My pointing thinks out was never going to do one think to stop Vifamswaggon, what would be the purpose of Chainsaw.
Don't use words if they do not fit.

Again, I'm having a really difficult time figuring out what you mean here.

I meant IS.

You NEVER STATED any of those things - nothing about boredom, nothing about a previous townread. YOU went after IS for voting Vifam after Vifam declared v/la. This is TOTALLY different from what other people did, and it IS chainsaw.

Also, you said I "ignored" when you supposedly said something about it uncommon to kill someone they suspected. Not only does thing to do with what I was saying, you never said this for me to "ignore" in the first place.

Well with ignored I mean never responded to. I said I stream lighted it.
My point was made in.
I wrote:

I was suspicions of IS, thought he could be scum, so I killed him at night? So Mafia now kills the people that they can use for myslynches?

So that was never posted?

I either missed that part of the post or forgot it since it's totally inconsequential. I did not every say YOU killed IS or that you did it because of that quote. This has nothing to do with anything.

This is absurd. You admit to coaching but think it's okay because you played with Vifam before?

No I wasn't coaching Vifam. I was telling him, when I would lynch him, regerdless of the question if I think he is mafia or now. Being angry about our last game together, but still trying to play fair. (I did not blacklist him for it)

But you were coaching Vifam. In the beginning of the game and as Vifam started to get scummier. This is just what happened. There are only two explanations. 1) You are scumbuddies with Vifam concerned that you might see the behavior you observed before. 2) You are mad town, concerned that you might see the behavior you observed before.

You are saying it's explanation #2, but EVEN if we accept that as true, that still makes the premise that StefanB coached Vifam true.

I still don't see what was supposed to indicate that was your view from yesterday, so that was my misunderstanding. that doesn't at all change my point, though. In fact, that makes it stronger. If you didn't think FC was scummy at the beginning of the hotseat, why didn't you vote to save him?

So Amrun admits that she can't read content. Should I believe you that you mist, that the whole think was a dialog between me and tclawren. Should have been obvious.
Because I didn't want to run thinks. I didn't understand what he was doing, (If you read every think I posted you would see that)
Would you have voted to save someone, who has given up. Without that (a move that wasn't scummy, just wtf?)
I were in the same situation, than a certain person who wrote this:

Why can't they both die?!

Fourseen, how about content instead of jokes?

How many times do we have to go through this? I have read every post of yours several times. Your posts are barely legible. If I misunderstand something, that is not a big deal. Just explain it and move on. Don't act like I am scummy because your English is bad. This is simply untrue. I am happy to work around your language restraints as long as you don't constantly harangue me about it.

I did not miss that it was a dialogue between you and tclawren. I was confused as to when your stated read of FC occurred; I thought it was from day 2, but it was from the hotseat of day 1. Regardless, your stated lack of scumread on FC does NOT line up with any of your other posts and it's a display of cognitive dissonance.

Your answer to my question makes zero sense. You didn't think FC was scummy, but you voted to kill him because "you didn't want to run things." So you were trying to fit in? That's suppppper scummy.

And why would I vote for someone just because they gave up, if they were town?

It's actually a pretty good case for this stage of the game. We have you chainsawing scum, coaching scum, and fencesitting.

Not one of them reaching without gross misinterpretations, twisting this terms and using them as some think they don't mean and lying, from you Amrun. Fence sitting does only mean being still suspicious after FC, because his hotseatgame was so bad yesterday and chancing my mind.
YOU WEREN'T THERE AND DID NOT EVEN VOTE WHEN YOU COULD HAVE, SO THIS IS RICH, COMING FROM YOU.
Okay never play with this woman again.

[/quote]

I don't understand what you are trying to say here. I am not lying and I am not twisting anything (at least not on purpose).

I wasn't there, yes - hence I could NOT have voted. I only had time to make a quick v/la post. I hadn't read several pages previous and had no idea what was going on. That is what v/la means - you don't have time to post.

I don't care if your read on FC changed due to his hotseat play, though you have YET to explain why. I care that you voted to save Vifam over him even after you confessed to a) not having a scumread on FC at the time, b) being angry at Vifam for a previous game and being wary of bad play from this slot.

The only possible motivation I see for this action is scum trying to save Vifam.

[Amrun]

Okay, since the waggons are moving fast I will claim (since I am a minor powerrole I think it is antiwown to wait)
I am the even-night vig. I think it is no suprise where the bullet is going in the moment. More of that later, when I have the time to go through Amruns Iso and show where she was

choaching, fencesitting and walking against the Vifamwaggon

.

You've got to be fucking kidding me. Your OMGUS is showing. Put it away.

You clearly don't know what coaching and fencesitting even is. I'm really tired of this conversation.

Just shoot me and save the walls.

[Amrun]

I would really like a vote count because I don't know where my votes are.

Unvote; Vote: hiplop[/vote]

Hiplop is a lurker and he's a good hotseat candidate.

I would like to waitt before handint out hotseats until some of the lurkers have posted.

Will re-position my votes after seeing the vote count.

[Amrun]

OoPs.

Unvote; Vote: hiplop

[Amrun]

Zero access tomorrow.

EVERYONE UNVOTE STEFANB RIGHT FUCKING NOW, THANKS.

[Amrun]

I'm going to hammer this shit to liven up the game.

Vote: ckd

[Amrun]

Save: Peregrine

[Amrun]

CKD defended the fuck out of Vifam.

Hip is just lurking.

I don't get the case on Peregrine at all, hence my vote.

[Amrun]

I dont like either of these...

but going

vote vifam.

opposite of vez.

CKD definitely pushed strategically for Vifam to be saved yesterday, and today, he's going for AtE.

It's possible Vifam just fooled him, but in general, his short posts at strategic intervals during the hotseat time look bad and deserve to be mentioned today.

VOTE: ckd


Town (in no particular order):

MoS
vezok
Lowell
TheLoneWolf
Fourseen Circumstance

[Amrun]

CKD, you voted to save Vifam SEVERAL TIMES. You tried to save her from death. That's what defending is. You did it without comment, without conviction about fourseen, without anything.

Also, fourseen is town, people.

[Amrun]

If you really thought fourseen was scum yesterday, and you are town, you should have made a case and showed some conviction.

You didn't.

Do you think I was bussing Vifam?

[Amrun]

Unvote; Vote: hiplop

Go into rage mode now, please.

[Amrun]

posting still with no content...

[Amrun]

I actually wish all three could die today.

The reason I'm on hiplop right now is because peregrine became scummy to me in the posts prior to that.

So honestly, as long as ckd dies, I don't really care who is saved. At this point, if either of the others is close, I will hammer it.

hiplop's stalling is pretty bad... ugh. I just want this day to end, though. So I'll stay on him for now.

[Amrun]

565 didn't bother me. 566 is nothing.

597 did bother me. There's nothing really "wrong" with it, but the context and the joke... just something felt off.

In 600, saying you "explained" anything is a joke, just like all your other "explanations." Fourseen is town and you trying to set up his mislynch is not cool.

604 is nothing.

607 is just quoting an iso and going "hey, see!"

I just didn't like your claim, most of all.

[Amrun]

Why would being on the hotseat make it harder for you to scumhunt?

[Amrun]

Ugh.

Unvote; Vote: peregrine

[Amrun]

How does that make your efforts futile?

[Amrun]

So?

[Amrun]

Ugh.

Unvote; Vote: peregrine

if hip flips scum, this should be followed up on.

Why?

Did you forget that that is a vote to kill hiplop?

[Amrun]

unvote

Someone do something stupid so I can lynch you, damnit.

Wow, is this a scumclaim?

[Amrun]

Pay attention. I'm being shot tonight.

But YES, for the love of all that is holy, but teamsleep on dat block.

[Amrun]

But I don't want to freaking save ckd. Holy christ.

I'm beyond caring, though.

Hopefully I can get him killed another day, if I live.

VOTE: ckd

v/la until Tuesday if day starts again before then

[Amrun]

StefanB, I don't know what to make of you. You are oh so very scummy, but you claimed vig ... but the point of not lynching vig claims is that they're provable, and yet you've proven nothing.

VOTE: ckd
VOTE: StefanB

[Amrun]

Vote: fourseen

[Amrun]

Fourseen is NOT SCUM. Re-read day 1 and tell me why Fourseen is scum.

[Amrun]

Because of his interactions with Vifam, obviously.

[Amrun]

MoS was always town.

But yeah, I would say that's a townslip. MoS, two kills was always common knowledge.

[Amrun]

Yeah, mafia roleblocker would never target a vig who has declared a town target.

If StefanB flips town, teamsleep needs to die immediately.

[Amrun]

I realized that, but whether or not I die eventually, everyone will know the real deal at some point.

I'm not going to pussy foot around and speak as if I am not confirmed town to myself.

[Amrun]

The mafia wouldn't kill me since I somehow seem to have garnered suspicion even though my interactions with Vifam d1 should put me as town pretty reasonably. Neither would they go so far as to protect me from a kill.

So either there is a town roleblocker who blocked Stefan (unlikely, and if there is you're a fucking idiot), a scum doctor who protected teamsleep (possible), or Stefan is scum (most likely).

[Amrun]

Ehhhhhhhhh. EH.

I'm doubting myself now. Perhaps it's more likely that teamsleepscum was protected.

But then again, I am reasonably certain that fourseen is town.

[Amrun]

What are you talking about? How does that even remotely make sense?

[Amrun]

No, it isn't.

IF StefanB is town, which I still think is at best 50/50, then teamsleep is more likely to be scum. That's pretty obvious. It's just common sense.

I pretty clearly support StefanB's death today. I voted to put him on the bloc and I voted to save fourseen.

Pushing for the death of a claimed vig is not, in any way, "hedging my bets." That's just ludicrous.

[Amrun]

Reading helps with that problem.

[Amrun]

Why would I vote teamsleep when he wasn't in the hotseat? lol

Also I did not vote to end the day yesterday at all.

VOTE: teamsleep

[Amrun]

He did claim a role that can only be confirmed night 2 and 4. And then didn't confirm it. Lulz.

Which reminds me.

VOTE: StefanB

[Amrun]

I

HATE

EVERYONE

HAAAAAAAAAATE

EVERYONE

I GAVE UP ON THIS GAME

BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD FUCKING LISTEN TO ME.

ABOUT ANYTHING.

I SAID KILL VIFAM... OKAY WE DID THAT, THAT IS GOOD.

I SAID KILL LOWELL. NOOOPE. LET'S NOT KILL LOWELL.

I just hated this game so much.

I love the set up obviously... URGH

[Amrun]

If I had lived/not given up quite so much, I would have ridden Lowell hard again, can't believe he got away with that SHIT.

[Amrun]

STEFANB WAS SCUM

LOL

I WAS SO RIGHT IN THIS GAME


Good distancing day 1, MoS. Even when you acted like SOOOOOOOO MUCH SCUM the rest of the game, I gave you towncred for day 1. I was out of town cred for you and if I hadn't mostly given up I'd have fought more for you to get attention.

As it was, I didn't think we'd be in lylo. I knew teamsleep had to be scum so I didn't care too much that I was dying along with it (though I was hoping to get teamsleep + StefanB executed, which would have been a slamdunk).

[Amrun]

I was never as sure about you as I was about the other reads, yours was just the one that caught on.

By the end of whichever day you flipped and the time before that, I thought there was all townies up there so what does it matter (I think, can't be arsed to look).

[Amrun]

Definitely disagree with farside that Lowell was MVP. He LURKED2VICTORY which makes me ANGRY.

MoS definitely wrested a town read from me on two separate occasions which kept outweighing all the other scummy things he did, but that's hard to do. He did a good job and I'm REALLY GLAD he existed on the scumteam because I swear if I lost to teamsleepscum and Lowellscum alone I'd be FUCKING PISSED AS HELL ... well, more pissed than I already am.

Vifam put in a solid effort so she gets a pass.

[Amrun]

No, I was just in a game modded by him.

Also pro tip: if someone gets the godfather killed on day 1 they're pretty unlikely to be scum. Annoyed that I was mislynched after all that.

[Amrun]

moS, though you did distance well, you almost entirely sheeped me in that argument against Vifam. At one point, you just quoted me a bunch of times saying "this."

I engineered the whole discussion - I was just v/la over hot seat.

It is what it is, and while it's not worth saying in game, since it could be wifom and all that, objectively speaking, I should not have taken the heat that I did and the lack of analysis this showed basically made me lose interest in the game for the most part. Though StefanB did pick up my interest again. It's fun to catch scum.

[Amrun]

Was really surprised not to be NKed that night tbh.

[Amrun]

I noticed, lol.

I could understand that mindset, trying to make me look bad, but it seemed a little strange. In hindsight, I should have thought more about why I wasn't NKed. Would have led me to you.

At the time, I figured I was just left alive because someone knew I have a tendency to get mislynched... *sigh*

[Amrun]

It happens. Live and learn.