Open 326: Pick Your Poison (Ende des Speils!)

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VOTE: Auckmid

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damnit! I was ninja'd...oh well rvs bandwagon is a go....

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Why aren't you participating in RVS, Saulres?

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It's not required, but after looking things over I am not sure I buy your lack of RVS story. Although, I will caution not to use meta from ongoing games, Maruchan- it's a slippery slope.

VOTE: Saulres

you've earned it, also please stop RPing.

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What do you have against RQS? Not that I disagree, but I am interested in why specifically you are against it...

[glowball]

Okay so who is the player that hates RQS?

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Okay we have hydras? How many- who are the heads?

Also, are you saying lane doesn't like RQS- I like straight forward answers not "go look" especially considering scum tend to lean on that.

[glowball]

Looks like a knit birthday party hat to me.

Ugh all this meta.

Are we still in RVS so I can change my vote without it looking suspicious?

PEdit -- The OP shows just the one hydra.

Why are you worried? You will only look suspicious if you are suspicious. Why would you need to change a RANDOM vote anyway?

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What I am saying is that RVS is still started to accomplish something- I don't need 20 pages of people dilly dallying just because they thought of funny jokes. Also, it allows for scum to slide by and change their votes with very little reasoning as well. My thoughts: Change you vote if you want, if you are town you shouldn't be worried anyway- but you should always be prepared to explain yourself because there are all sorts of different types of players. I don't like RVS to last FOREVER, but it's only been a few hours and my vote changed once.

[glowball]

@Blowball,

THIS^
Should never happen again...

[glowball]

I generally find RQS fluff, but I will answer questions if they help....

1.) Always good to know- PDT
2.) You can always check the wiki for this information- fluff.
3.)NOT IMPORTANT

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OF COURSE YOU LIKE GLOWBALL SO FAR- EVERYONE LOVES GLOWBALL

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Oh I totally agree! Anything that starts interaction between players is a good thing (such as my telling you all to not RQS is doing). However it stops being as good when innocent townies get lynched.

Um, townies are a usual casualty day 1- it is to be expected and ANY interaction and subsequent wagon votes or lack there of can help the town greatly. All interactions regardless of flip can be used for good.

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This whole caring vs. not caring

scum reactions vs town reactions

BOTH CAN BE FAKED- it's all about how genuine each seems... and TOWN TELLS and SCUM TELLS vary from person to person. So, Maruchan don't try to push it into your favor.

[glowball]

So right now SCUM POINTS for Maruchan and Saulres

Saulres got in an OMGUS vote which was very opportunist

Maruchan is playing deflection, feeler, and generally scummy play for Day 1 Page 4....

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I mean you seem to be going VERY HARD for a couple of votes on Day 1... You also seem to be pointing a lot to Saulres too almost as if you are certain he's scum. AND YES- bussing this early is plausible- hell I did it my newbie game and it got us very far. It's your attitude that is a bit much for Page 4

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Yeah Page 4 doesn't need all these lengthy posts, it kind of makes me feel like scum are overloading to look like they have more content than they do. It's really useless to type all that much, not enough has happened. In fact walls at this point are drawing my attention more negatively than positively towards those players. Walls are to be used when necessary...not frivolously.

Also, on a side note I think I should let everyone know one thing about myself...

I AM SENSITIVE, I hate unprovoked personal attacks on myself as well as others if I notice. I am pretty easily angered, so please respect that.

[glowball]

My eyeballs are BLEEDING.

Concision is pro-town.

I support this!

SO STOP IT.
STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

There is very minimal content in these walls...we all know what is going on it's page 4.

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ANYONE USING META AS AN EXCUSE TO WALL WILL BE EXECUTED. MAYBE NOT IN THIS GAME BUT IN MY HEART...

I WILL NOT BE READING WALLS.

IT IS DONE.

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ANYONE USING META AS AN EXCUSE TO WALL WILL BE EXECUTED. MAYBE NOT IN THIS GAME BUT IN MY HEART...

I WILL NOT BE READING

UNNECESSARY

WALLS.

IT IS DONE.

You have until half way down the post to convince me it is worth reading.

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Okay, to address the adverse views on me not reading crap walls... we will just have to agree to disagree.

It actually has very little to do with my eyes or hating to read them, it has to do with the fact that people who use META to as an excuse to write walls are just trying to uphold that meta and it may actually have nothing to do with them being town or scum it's just meta for them. Then there are the scumz who write long walls to look like they are contributing- and like I said I can tell by half way through whether this is the case or not. The point- I am not going to read something if you don't make it a point to show me it's worth reading. I've see two types of walls so far:
1. Walls of back and forth arguments with quotes taking up half of the wall...
that's okay if you are responding, I get it- but you guys can definitely make an effort to neaten things up
2. Walls of commentary stretched out beyond belief.

I doubt that everyone writing these walls is scum, which is why I said what I said...

Also, Saulres isn't necessarily newbtown- people thought the same thing of me in my newbie game. YES, Saulres may be new but you'd be surprised how much newbtown and newbscum can be confused. All that is certain is that he is new.

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Yeah, but what I am trying to say is that scum and town genuinely play the newbie card. It is actually my least favorite "scumtell" because when I was newbscum I did slip up and make mistakes I would have made as town being inexperienced and I did play the newbie card because it really isn't a card to play it is just the truth one way or the other. IT is not a solid tell of any alignment. I don't even know why people rail players who are OBVIOUSLY new for it. If you ask a new player why they do something you don't understand the likely answer is "oh I didn't know because I am new" That's not necessarily trickery that's just the truth as they see it. Like I said town and scum can have genuine newb fears.

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I never said Saulres is more scummy than Maruchan that is just a deduction you made from my vote placement- why don't you check when that vote was made...

Walls come from town and scum- I never said that only scum do walls and it isn't one of my tells so I feel like maybe you aren't understanding my points on walls. I am sure that their are scum writing walls, but that's just a hunch and definitely not enough deserving of a vote. By the way, I definitely never said it was a STRONG tell, or a tell at all- I do believe that both town and scum write walls...so stop intentionally misrepping me or if it was an accident you need to provide quotes for things you have questions on.

FoS: Thunder

Never had a formal "case" on Saulres, again check when the vote was made. At this point there is more of a chance of him being scum because he reminds me of myself as a newb, but my vote may or may not change as I've been looking at him AND Maruchan. Both are fine lynches for the day...

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I just think that you a stretching.
Obviously you are reading what you want from those quotes MOST of which are generalizations about how mafia is played. Like "Then there are the scumz who write walls..." Is a generalization that spans more than just this game.
It is page 6, I don't feel the need to make a case on anyone that receives my votes. Cases turn into Walls, and walls and cases are for ISOs or quotes sooooooo long ago that no one can remember, or hell just quotes to tie your argument together. It's unnecessary- I don't feel the need to take baby steps all of the way through. Saulres has been scummy and the ONLY argument working in his favor is the newbie one.

I have noted your defense of Saulres, and your push on Maruchan it's pretty obvious all 3 of you aren't scumz, but I wouldn't be surprised if 2 are there.

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Oh my God why do I see shitwalls.

Why why whyyyy.

Catching up right now but I can tell I already hate everyone.

my point exactly.

also... I hate you too.

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Amrun- I NEVER said that Maruchan was scummier than Saulres- and vice versa. My vote is on Saulres because that was my first gut read and my vote may or may not change. I am always reevaluating my votes and making sure that they are where they should be. I would appreciate people reading a little more than just skimming because this is the second time people have just assumed something based off something I wrote. You take it at face value or I can no longer answer questions about where your mind takes you.

[glowball]

My last sentences is a little poorly put together, sorry...

I mean take what I say as what I say- and if you don't take it that way I cannot keep answering questions about what you've inferred. It's like putting words in my mouth and then asking me to explain them. I cannot explain something your mind made up.

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Also, Maruchan Views:
He's being scummy.... that is all.

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So is there just a large amount of newbie players or...are these alts. I feel like you guys want me to take you through baby steps

I am fine with a Maruchan or Saulres lynch.
Why? They both seem scummy and regardless of the flip they both provide me with a substantial amount of information

FoS at Thunder...
His actions rub me the wrong way. He defends the "popular" notions, which I find scum do a lot- and he has intentionally attached my name to his own twist on my words several times now.HOWEVER, he isn't my choice lynch for the day at this point because there are people much scummier than him (Maruchan and Saulres). You only get one vote...so yeah Thunder isn't getting mine because he isn't the scummiest person here. He is just on my radar EXAMPLE FINGER OF SUSPICION. SUSPICION and SCUM READ are 2 very different things.

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Glowball, can you do me up a concise bullet point list of why Maruchan is scum?

I do not mind at all doing a bullet point to show you why Maruchan is "scummy"

if you first

give me a good reason why I am the best person to do this and what you have to gain from it considering that there are 4 people already voting him that I am sure could/should give you much better reasons than myself.
Maruchan (4): lane0168, Supreme Overlord, saulres, Auckmid

oh and UNVOTE:

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@RoboThor the thing about Thunderweilder misrepping is that he pulled out stuff like saying that I said something was a strong tell. I never said that- it's almost an outright lie. He's basically been inferring a lot of things and passing it off as truth.

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Glowball: I asked you for a combination of reasons. You were recently online and I wanted a quick answer, and I also trust your answer not to be in cuckoo land. Lane's vote on maruchan is shit and I know it already; Supreme Overlord's vote I already asked him about because it was alaso bad, and am waiting for him to answer that question since he is v/la; Auckmid already gave his reasons in a wall, iirc, but is perfectly welcome to present a list too.

Also,n why did you unvote?

Oh sorry, sometimes I get on and read and then forget to reply...

Well no way asking me got you the quick answer...lol
I will list why Maruchan is scummy in my next post, but I unvoted because I feel like I may have missed a few things and that Saulres may not be my best vote choice.

@RoboThor the thing about Thunderweilder misrepping is that he pulled out stuff like saying that I said something was a strong tell. I never said that- it's almost an outright lie. He's basically been inferring a lot of things and passing it off as truth.

Here's the three step process to solve the problem.

1. Quote the lie he told.

2. Challenge him to quote his backup for the lie.

3. Vote him if he can't.

Weak FOSes for an "obv. lie"? Meh...what is that? If he's lying that bad you should either think he's scum or an idiot - not something in-between. What am I missing?

I did let him know that he needs to have quotes next time he has something to say to me. I am leaning scum on him so yeah that did make my alarm go off on scum or idiot. I didn't at all think it was weak. I am a little lost as to your point

You call my FoS weak, but then say that if he is lying that bad I should think he's scum or an idiot- I do think he's scum or an idiot hence the FoS since I haven't narrowed it down to which.

[glowball]

Alright, this is a wall hidden by spoilers for bullet points on why Maruchan is scummy...

Spoiler:

What she said, I am curious as to your lack of RVS participation. I would understand it if you had told us you dislike RVS and therefore refuse to participate or something, but you said nothing of the sort, and even was the first participator of RVS in your first game on-site.

Just curious because I find scum usually like to save their votes until they see the most likely-to-succeed bandwagon before hoping it. (then again, conservative town hold their votes too, so I am not saying your lack of one makes you scummy)

Piggy backs onto my question of Saulres, but then is basically distancing himself from it. This post unnecessary since I had already asked Saulres the question unless he was adding on for more pressure, BUT WAIT it's not pressure if you let them know you don't think it's scummy. Not to mention, he went as far as to check an ongoing game for Saulres' RVS meta, which he found contradictory but still distanced himself from it. So this is just really bad. It gives him "cred" because he was involved in the questioning, while he's distanced because he never said he found it "scummy".

Spoiler:

VOTE: MARUCHAN

Doesn't like it if people dont participate in RVS, and doesn't like it when people do participate, or start, RQS. Whether or not someone wants to spew questions, the conversation will start eventually. Probably in the wrong direction.

if you had READ my post before yours, I LOVE RQS, and have STARTED it myself in the past. I just know a particular player in this game absolutely hates it, and will make a case against anyone starting it, that will end in their eventual demise.

I like the vote though, keep em comin!

To be honest this whole post is bad because there is no way Maruchan would have gotten lynched SOLELY on Lane's RVS suspicion that was a weak vote anyway, but seeing Maruchan get what seems to me as worked up is suspicious. I get that he wanted to clear things up, but he seems rather adamant about getting his point across and showing Lane that they are wrong only to turn around and say he "likes" the vote and to keep them coming. This response isn't a town response in the fact that it isn't genuine. When I read this I immediately thought scum faking a lack of caring...badly.

Spoiler:

We can't keep this double standards! Either we have to say that Saulres caring if he appears scummy is a SCUM tell, in which case my lack of caring is a null or town tell. OR we have to say that Maruchan's lack of caring how he appears is a null or scum tell, in which case Saulres' caring is a TOWN tell.

Pick one, you can't have it both ways. It can't be scummy to care while being scummy to not care.

This theory he presented is wrong. He's basically pushing his opinion and theory as fact to discredit the accusations against himself AND Saulres. Stating that at least one of them has to have caring/not caring as a town tell. This just supports my theory of possible bussing earlier as it adds to Maruchan/Saulres scumbuddies.

Spoiler:

To maybe explain what I think about caring vs. non-caring:

If all the scum don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.
If all the town don't care, then they won't fight to stay alive, meaning they'll roll over and lose. So they have to care.

The way I see it, everyone who's playing for their win condition, at least in this setup, should care about if they're going to cause their side to lose by being seen as anything other than town. So caring is a nulltell, at least for me. And so is not caring, because it doesn't say what side you're on -- it just says what kind of player you are. One which is a detriment to their side.

Anyway that's how I see it.

UNVOTE
Vote: Marachun

because I'd rather play with people who are trying to win.

OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS OMGUS

oh wait, my vote is already on you.
So that would make YOURS the OMGUS. My bad.

Feeler and amplifier post. He quoted Saulres just to make a point about OMGUS(badly IMO) with the sarcasm and the capitalization he's just begging for people to notice Saulres instead of him.

Spoiler:

Yeah Page 4 doesn't need all these lengthy posts, it kind of makes me feel like scum are overloading to look like they have more content than they do. It's really useless to type all that much, not enough has happened. In fact walls at this point are drawing my attention more negatively than positively towards those players. Walls are to be used when necessary...not frivolously.

So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?

This was posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:43 pm (PDT)
It is now: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:1 pm (PDT)

Maruchan didn't even notice that I didn't answer his question. This is only one of two I purposefully ignored. Maruchan isn't scum hunting- he's defending himself, buddying, and fluffing w/ a side of distraction. He obviously doesn't care about his answers because he never even noticed that I didn't answer, and if he did he just let it die.

Now after all of this you may wonder- well if you think he's scummy why aren't you voting him?" Good Point...
VOTE: Maruchan

This is not to say that Saulres is off of the hook- he's just laid low recently, adding to his lack of scumhunting and I am considering giving him the BoD and not just assume that he's newbscum sliding by like I did in my newbie game. That being said, short of some crazy upset Maruchan or Saulres need to die today their flips will tell the most...

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Maruchan- You spend the majority of the time you "talk" defending yourself. When you do scum hunt- i.e. the questions you asked me- there is no follow up. So yes, you are scummy because I ignored your question and YOU didn't bother to catch me on it. If you have too many games to the point where it will hinder your follow up and scumhunting abilities you should replace out of some and not join so many in the future. Your game load is not my concern.

Ninja'd
NS and Overlord...nah, I mean if you don't agree with my Maruchan case then why ask for my reads on others?

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Maruchan- NOW you are putting your own feelings onto me. I never said a lack of defense is scummy... In fact I find it more scummy that you would overly defend. You can do both though. You can scumhunt and defend. Like this last post of yours you could fit in some scumhunting you are obviously online

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I'm "obviously online", no I am only half-online, online enough to post for people needing posts from me about me, not paying enough attention to go farther than that.

I am palying Call of Duty right now, because I am a bit bored of Mafia right now, and am only keeping tabs on all my games out of necessity.

Awesome. SO you are in too many games to follow up on questions that you've asked- and STILL have yet to follow up even after I pointed it out. Now you have decided to further take yourself away from mafia, which would be fine if you hadn't already said you had to much on your plate to follow up. You are using ridiculous circumstances not to scumhunt and seriously you should just replace out if you don't have the desire and time to dedicate.

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Did I ever say I had to much on my plate? no thats your words. THanks for putting words in my mouth.

Takign a break from the site for 2 hours or so?

Uhm I was under the impression most people only VISITED for two hours or so a day. I am on 12-14 hours a day. I think I can take a break for an hour without it hampering my game.

So let me get this straight.... I am scummy because YOU ignored a question I asked you? As for your speculation as to how my mind works and

why I didn't point out your lack of answer, that has more to do with the fact of 7 on-going games. I sometimes forget who I asked what in one of said games.

Sorry I don't have photo graphical memory. But please stop playing the role of my shrink. I don't need one, and if you start pretending to be my shrink, it might disqualify me from the navy. X.X

If the weight of your responsibilities hinders your ability to scumhunt as you indicated above by saying that due to the amount of games you are playing you forget stuff then you have too much on your plate. Yes those are my words, brought on by your excuses and I don't want to hear anymore of them. If you don't have time or desire to play or if your other games keep you from following up then you need to replace out. I will not accept RL excuses or even other mafia game excuses because all of those things are YOUR CHOICE and have nothing to do with THIS game. If you have problems/issues/commitments it's up to you to make that clear BEFORE hand not afterwards as an excuse.

[glowball]

And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.

I WANT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS WAGON AND ITS PROGRESSION

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My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?

I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.

[glowball]

And this is what happens when the game progresses at an alarming rate... L-2 on page 10. I am not ready for this day to end, but I am also not in the mood to unvote so I just ask that anyone even thinking of voting Maruchan hold their votes for more discussion.

I WANT EVERYONE'S THOUGHTS ON THIS WAGON AND ITS PROGRESSION

"I don't want him to hang but when he does hang I want to make sure I'm not the hammer"

Thats what that post sounded like to me tbh

I am already voting so this makes no sense to me...

My Thoughts == Why the heck isn't Nobody Special not about to die?

I can't support that Day 1, at this point if we lynch Nobody Special we will be back to square one in the next day phase regardless of the flip. I don't think that lynch is scum and I see no point in lynching a townie for no information, I mean besides the fact that YOU want him lynched. Which could be bussing or an honest mistake.

"I think he's town so lynching him won't give us any information, except you could be bussing him, which means he is scum even though I said he is town"

huh? I honestly am confused as to this post

But I would like to say BRAVO. You have basically sealed my vote. When exactly did I become your scum suspect? When I started questioning you? This is just you OMGUS placing arguments against me without a vote and trying to discredit me. You are a feeler.

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Oh and to address the bottom post- I was going through the scenarios for EITHER flip. If NoBody Special flipped scum or town it gives NULL information and turns into WIFOM which is probably why you didn't understand it..

[glowball]

Oh I am not doing this again...are you guys serious?

Maybe the case on Maruchan isn't clear to you because that stuff about double standards was completely wrong. He twists, and I didn't freak out on him, I just noticed how he likes to point things out without taking definitive stances. He's a feeler he'll put something out there to see if it'll take. But if we are just going to be ridiculous you can lynch me now.

[glowball]

ALSO, I'll Ive heard is defense of Maruchan from the case Ive present YET he is the lead wagon...

Plus I find it odd that NONE of you have a problem with his blatant lack of caring to follow up on scumhunting questions, it's an obvious scum display of not really caring about it.

[glowball]

I am not asking for a re-read I am asking you to care about the questions you ask. You asked me several questions I didn't answer, as I pointed out to you and you didn't even seem to notice or care. How does that help your scumhunting if you just let people not answer your questions and forget about it?

[glowball]

It's not just RoboThor who wants to know; it just happened to be him that asked. Any particular reason why you're withholding this information?

oh and to address this, it's not me withholding information, it's the fact that if my reads cannot be trusted or are viewed as weak then they are virtually of no help to any of you from that pov. You can convince me otherwise and I'll tell you

[glowball]

Glowball, don't throw.a hissy fit. No pro-town player should need to be asked for their reads - and definitely not twice.

More often than not I've noticed scum ask for reads on specific players so that they can gauge the town before nightphase. I am not withholding any crucial information as I have already stated who I would be willing to lynch today and that should be enough.

[glowball]

You know, I got through that wall up until you started personally attacking me which just isn't cool and you will be blacklisted accordingly.

Now, if I am lynched because of these weak reasons my reads don't matter. If you say they do you are lying because once I am dead they'll be quickly forgotten. I've played enough games to watch so many people go unnoticed after they are dead. Maybe they got lynched because they were scummy and you think they don't know how to play so why would you listen to their reads? RIGHT you don't. If you aren't listening to my reads NOW then you won't listen later. So no you don't deserve them, and after continually being insulted I won't give them. Lynch me if you don't like it.

[glowball]

The origin of scum or idiot didn't come from me, it came from RoboThor and to respond to him I used the terms that he used as to not cause confusion. No one is asking you to remove your vote- but there were a lot of points were you just called me stupid and I didn't appreciate it. All I know is that if I am lynched for that little of reasoning and inference then you guys dont deserve my reads.

[glowball]

AtE is something I seem to frequently do, but it's never really a game tactic as most perceive it. I am just a generally sensitive person

[glowball]

glowball, in no way, shape, or form was that case a personal attack.

thunder, your case is also more based in playstyle than anything else.

glowball really, truly is sensitive.

I call TvT on this one ... or maybe Tvt (because I'm not sure glowball is Town with a capital T). Leaning town on her still, though.

Bolded and quoted for truth..

@Maruchan
I need some noodles! Anyways, it's ridiculous at Page 10 in my opinion given the amount of content(it wasn't much) in this game BUT that might just be a play style thing. I have a lot of games that tend to go pages long in day one even days before deadline. I think it might have to do with the fact that I've been playing more large games as a single and in my hydra. This was brought up in another game I am in soooooooooo I'll concede defeat on the timing as a playstyle thing.

Um, the other question was yours and I don't remember what is was- if you wanted answered you need to ask it again, I'm not going through searching and quoting a question, I'm lazy.

aw Ninja'D
I have a papertrail, I have stated who I find scummiest and that is all that should matter. Town reads only matter to scum.

[glowball]

No, town reads matter to EVERYONE.

Town reads aren't useful. If I hang because I am scummy you obviously think I am a bad player and therefore my reads are useless. You guys pile on for a crap case and then want my town reads? No sir. I have scum reads MARUCHAN and SAULRES. Why do you need the town reads? Why aren't the scum reads good enough?

[glowball]

I haven't answered thunder's case because I see nothing to answer for, he's interpreted my behavior as scummy and I cannot disagree with his playstyle or frame of mind. He's wrong and his case is garbage IMO, but I realize why he's come to those conclusion and that has to do with playstyle- he's obviously not a successful scumhunter because I find it very hard to see him as scum at this point.

I am not giving my reads on other players because they aren't necessary. The only people I am willing to lynch today are Saulres and Maruchan. That's it and deduce from that what you will.

[glowball]

I guess that does read a little backwards. I find it hard to see Thunder as scum, so he's obviously just bad at scumhunting. Which is what townies do and scum don't do that. Hopefully that's clearer. So there you go, another "read" just got to look closely

[glowball]

I guess that does read a little backwards. I find it hard to see Thunder as scum, so he's obviously just bad at scumhunting. Which is what townies do and scum don't do that. Hopefully that's clearer. So there you go, another "read" just got to look closely

While I appreciate you now finding me as town, why is it that I'm no longer under a Finger of Suspicion from you? Where did that big change come from?

Or is it that you're hoping I'll back off if you stop suspecting me?

You still haven't quoted from before where I misrepresented you, which was your initial cause for suspicion against me.
You still haven't given us your case on Saulres.
You still haven't answered my previous question about Maruchan (or are you just purposefully avoiding that one too).
You still haven't responded to anything in my case about you (other than--it's weak, and just leaving it at that)
You still haven't given your reads on Nobody Special and Supreme Overlord (why do you automatically assume that they are town?--I'm getting this from your "I don't feel the need to give out town reads" statement).

I would like that you maybe address three of the above five points. Is that too much to ask for? You don't even have to answer all of them, just

do something

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Also, welcome Hoppster and MrTrow. I look forward to your input on all that's happened thus far. Thanks for subbing in, guys!

As for your points, some of them have been addressed AND I never promised a case on Saulres I actually recall saying I don't think he deserved a formal case because his scumminess was obvious. The point is that I have addressed the case you made, maybe not to your liking but it's been addressed YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT READING MY POSTS.

[glowball]

glowball:

At what point did you decide (in your head) that Maruchan was more worthy of a vote than Saulres?

When I voted him.

[glowball]

glowball:

At what point did you decide (in your head) that Maruchan was more worthy of a vote than Saulres?

When I voted him.

No, no that's not fair sorry for the triple post... When I was asked to do the case I found him alarmingly more scummy than Saulres.

[glowball]

As for your points, some of them have been addressed AND I never promised a case on Saulres I actually recall saying I don't think he deserved a formal case because his scumminess was obvious. The point is that I have addressed the case you made, maybe not to your liking but it's been addressed YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT READING MY POSTS.

Look at this post, call yourself a hypocrite, realize that not only I have asked for your case on Saulres (as has Amrun), Realize that in order for me to stop suspecting you as scum you're going to need to give your reads and provide cases for people other than "well, it's obvious, huh duuhhh", Realize that partially addressing ONE of my points (which was later corrected) does not constitute as "some of them have been addressed," Realize that you're not really doing anything to scum hunt

@other towners, realize that she's not doing anything to scum hunt, and I don't understand how everyone just seems to be giving her a free pass

, and realize that you're going to actually have to provide examples to everything I've been asking you in order for me to get off your back (not just trying to brush it under the rug).
If you decide to post another one sentence response, then just rinse and repeat the above.

I NEVER PROMISED A CASE
You can ASK me all you want, which is all that link takes me to is a post YOU made. Find a post where I said I would do it and I will do it. I never said I'd give you a case on Saulres so I am not giving you a case. I am not a hypocrite but thanks for trying. I know you are trying to rail this home which keeps me flip flopping on your alignment. There are several people not pulling their weight in scumhunting, yet you choose to tunnel on me with not much to say about others. Tbh I don't mind if you attack me for certain things, but your play shows obvious favoritism and tunneling. My scumhunting has taken place, I made a case I am not giving the reads and I've explained what you've asked- Just not to your liking. I will only lynch Maruchan or Saulres today because it will help me immensely get better reads in this game. PERIOD. Scumhunting is virtually over on that end because no one is really saying anything

[glowball]

@glowball - your entire 'can't explain town reads' concept appears to be based off the idea that scum can't figure out who is pro town. I've never had this problem when I've been scum, do you? Now, please, what's your read on NS - would you vote him? (if 'yes' then please do so).

No, I don't want to give town reads for a couple of different reasons. If scum know who every finds to be town they can assess the group accordingly, ALSO I don't feel that reads make that much of a difference if I die by lynching or if I die at night people just write of reads as NK WIFOM when they shouldn't. I hate dying after giving my reads and being right to watch the reads that I was asked for be ignored. It's just a frustrating practice that I am considering not participating in anymore using this game as the test.

No, to your second question as well I am only lynching Maruchan or Saulres today.

[glowball]

glowball:

At what point did you decide (in your head) that Maruchan was more worthy of a vote than Saulres?

When I voted him.

But before you voted him, you said that you didn't find Saulres more scummy than Maruchan. So this can't be true.

Here are some quotes from BEFORE I voted him...

So right now SCUM POINTS for Maruchan and Saulres

I never said Saulres is more scummy than Maruchan

that is just a deduction you made from my vote placement- why don't you check when that vote was made...

Amrun-

I NEVER said that Maruchan was scummier than Saulres- and vice versa.

.

Then when I made my case, I voted for Maruchan. SO I found him scummy enough for a vote over Saulres when I made my case WHEN I VOTED HIM just like I said...

Now after all of this you may wonder- well if you think he's scummy why aren't you voting him?" Good Point...
VOTE: Maruchan

This is not to say that Saulres is off of the hook- he's just laid low recently, adding to his lack of scumhunting and I am considering giving him the BoD and not just assume that he's newbscum sliding by like I did in my newbie game. That being said, short of some crazy upset Maruchan or Saulres need to die today their flips will tell the most...

[glowball]

glowball - you believe scum-reads are important and town-reads are not, but you don't think it's important to justify scum-reads (as is implied by your refusal to make a case on saulres)?

My initial vote on Saulres was VERY early on and I didn't feel the need to make a case on him because at that point not much had happen so I thought his behavior was obvious.

I made a case on Maruchan because that vote was later and I am satisfied that his behavior is much scummier at this point in the game. I made a case on the person I want lynched today- the fact that Saulres is an acceptable lynch is just by product.

[glowball]

I thought you weren't talking to me

[glowball]

You are being mean and sarcastic again.

[glowball]

You know, if people are willing to be one person down because of a crappy case and my refusal to give town reads then you guys deserve whatever comes from it. I have given my scum reads.

[glowball]

This game is just so exhausting. I will definitely post tomorrow and try to go through this with you guys again. I would replace out, but I've done that before and watched my replacement die because people didn't like how I played. SO I will take this death myself.

[glowball]

FIRST- I love that Hoppster is on a trend of NEVER being able to read me this will prove useful when I am scumz.

My next post will be a response to somethings I read yesterday- I just need to start some other games first.

[glowball]

Could someone else maybe re-iterate my questions for Glowball so she might think about participating?

Allow me.

let's see if you have better success...

I never said Saulres is more scummy than Maruchan that is just a deduction you made from my vote placement- why don't you check when that vote was made...

Walls come from town and scum- I never said that only scum do walls and it isn't one of my tells so I feel like maybe you aren't understanding my points on walls. I am sure that their are scum writing walls, but that's just a hunch and definitely not enough deserving of a vote. By the way, I definitely never said it was a STRONG tell, or a tell at all- I do believe that both town and scum write walls...so stop intentionally

misrepping

me or if it was an accident you need to provide quotes for things you have questions on.

FoS: Thunder

Never had a formal "case" on Saulres, again check when the vote was made. At this point there is more of a chance of him being scum because he reminds me of myself as a newb, but my vote may or may not change as I've been looking at him AND Maruchan. Both are fine lynches for the day...

Please quote the post where thunder was misrepping you.

I asked you to point out saulres' scumminess in my previous post (dot points or quotes, please).

Ask all you want, but Maruchan finds Saulres way more scummy than I do but you aren't asking him for a case. WHEN I VOTED SAULRES IT WAS OBVIOUS GO BACK AND READ. I never promised a case on Saulres, I gave you the case on Maruchan and no one cared about that. I am not wasting time when my words mean nothing to you guys...

As for Thunder misrepping me:

Glowball, why is saulres more scummy than Maruchan?

In your ISO you seem to be critisizing Maruchan a lot more than you're critisizing Saulres. Plus your comment about walls certainly doesn't apply to Saulres. So why is your vote on him instead of on Maruchan?
And who are the scum that are creating walls of text? And why are you not voting for them,

if you believe so strongly in that tell?

Can you re-iterate your entire case on Saul for me? Why is there more chance of him being scum than town?

The purple are lies- No where did I SAY that Saulres is scummier than Maruchan, he's inferring things from my vote...which was reasonable but that was a very early on vote. THEN the whole bit about walls being a STRONG TELL- I NEVER EVER said that, and I would challenge him to find a post where I did. He is putting words in my mouth and passing off assumptions as truth...Now he responded to that by explaining his thought process but that doesn't make it truth. He is still inferring/assuming about my actions and then making them facts to the rest of you.

Um, the other question was yours and I don't remember what is was- if you wanted answered you need to ask it again, I'm not going through searching and quoting a question, I'm lazy.

Maruchan didn't even notice that I didn't answer his question. This is only one of two I purposefully ignored. Maruchan isn't scum hunting- he's defending himself, buddying, and fluffing w/ a side of distraction. He obviously doesn't care about his answers because he never even noticed that I didn't answer, and if he did he just let it die.

This isn't quite a contradiction, but why are you willing to attack someone for not pushing for an answer, while you are also 'too lazy' to answer questions you've left outstanding?

I left a question outstanding to see if Maruchan would notice and he didn't. He doesn't care, so why should I? If he cares he should prove it and ask the question again. That's what people who are scumhunting do they want their questions answered the probe on- see how there are a few people who won't stop hounding me no matter how many times I say I won't do what they ask- they care.

However, I believe there was actually only this question, which glowball did answer in #269. The point still stands, though,

So its a bad thing if the game actually STARTS being a game on page for, rather than on page 10? Its bad for us to start actual content early? ... Why exactly?

Can you go through post #256 (thunder's case), and explain why

all

of it is entirely based on playstyle. If some of it isn't, defend yourself against that part.

... And ... give your reads on NS and myself, and explain why you have them.

I answered that question. As for Thunder's case THEY ARE HIS PERSONAL OPINIONS. He's inferring things and he's wrong. I can't argue against a case with no solid points. I haven't done anything scummy he's just interpreting things out of context and twisting it to fit his own thoughts. I cannot argue against your own thoughts. It's what your mind creates not mine. I have to keep going back and forth on his alignment because why would scum pour so much effort into a mislynch then it's on their shoulders, but I am an easy target since people always think I am scum

Many of you said you'd get behind my lynch and if you are really dense enough to assume scum relation with my actions then as I said before, you deserve what comes from that.

[glowball]

OMG THUNDER YOU ARE DOING IT AGAIN?!

I WANT THE EXACT QUOTE WHERE I SAID POSTING WALLS WAS A STRONG TELL. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THAT BECAUSE THE WORDS "STRONG TELL" AREN'T MINE THEY ARE YOURS!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE IT- NOW!

Not the assumptions- not the inferences. I want you to quote me saying STRONG TELL

until that happens

VOTE: Thunder I point out your faults, I ignore you- and you keep pushing. If you are town you are blacklisted and if you are scum then BRAVO you got some people to buy into the completely fabricated case.

[glowball]

I am sick of Thunder, he's just bad. If he isn't mafia he's blacklisted and I am not leaving this game short of a lynch or NK, but as long as I am here he will have my vote. He's being completely ridiculous. He's outright lying and fabricating things to pass off as fact.

[glowball]

Your cases are opinions and inference and if you are town you will blacklisted because your scumhunting is ridiculously inaccurate and the amount of time you've spent painting me as scum with your assumptions is terrible. That isn't good townie play- if you are town, I wish you'd use your mind for good instead of evil

[glowball]

How am I being rude to Thunder? He is being rude to me and I just have to take it. THANKS A LOT AMRUN

[glowball]

He called me stupid several times, and that attitude deserves blacklisting. Whatever, I don't need this when you guys are nicer I'll be back

[glowball]

I am done trying to prove myself to you guys, I have answered questions and been insulted.

[glowball]

I just answered a wall that someone posted. I've done what I need to do.

[glowball]

Thunder is inferring RIDICULOUSLY its stretched beyond belief and NO I cannot answer loaded and leading questions about things that he's inferring

[glowball]

Yeah well you'd support a wagon on me as well, and at this point I just don't give a damn- you guys can change your tune or I'll just do my own thing scum or not I am voting Thunder

[glowball]

I don't hate you or anyone else, and why would I replace out- the opinions on me and reactions are such that they are scumhunting and if you don't want me here lynchme. It's not wallowing but I would thank you to stop insulting me and play the game.

[glowball]

At first I didn't think Thunder was scum- then I went back and forth on his alignment- now I just don't care if he's scum or town I just want him lynched because he's not very good at scumhunting if he is town

[glowball]

No, it isn't. I am certain in the reads that I have. Thunder however is wrong, which none of you will know until after I flip but I know that he is obviously terrible at scumhunting.

You could make the argument that I am not helpful and therefore you don't care about my alignment, but you cannot say that I am terrible at scumhunting- in fact engaging most of you in conversation has helped my reads tremendously

[glowball]

No, it isn't. I am certain in the reads that I have. Thunder however is wrong, which none of you will know until after I flip but I know that he is obviously terrible at scumhunting.

>________________>

"I AM CERTAIN IN THE READS I HAVE."
"I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THUNDER'S ALIGNMENT, I WANT TO LYNCH HIM BECAUSE HE IS A TERRIBLE SCUMHUNTER."

Both of these cannot be true.

On top of this, if you ARE certain in your reads - WHY THE HELL DO YOU NOT WANT TO LYNCH A SCUM-READ?

Because obviously none of you want to lynch my scumreads and I cannot lynch alone.

Oh I see what you mean about those two quotes rather contradictory in your eyes okay you should lynch me for that.

[glowball]

Maruchan and Saulres

[glowball]

So...*no one* is willing to lynch Maruchan to the point you're going to mope and sit with a vote on a 'lulz, lynch them' read?

Let's check with the mod scorecard;


mothrax (4): RoboThor, Hoppster, Maruchan, MrTrow
Maruchan (3): lane0168, saulres, Auckmid
thunderwielder (1): glowball

Yeah...what is this gak, glowball?

It is going virtually no where because everyone is pushing the Nobody Special now Mothrax lynch while being utterly distracted by my ongoings. There is little to no progression while we sit here and talk about me- if Maruchan gets to L-1 I would hammer, but right now it seems like this game is stalled while all of you talk to me about how anti-town I am being. You know what? I've been pro-town and still gotten lynched because people don't like my answers so my theory on the games has changed and so has my play to a certain degree.

[glowball]

Lean which ever way you want, I am not replacing out because I am playing I am just not playing how you like. There is no rule that says I have to answer your questions, and as for asking to be lynched if you guys are going to keep harping on it then yeah you get that response but these reactions have helped me scumhunt immensely and I will be continuing to play.

[glowball]

There is no rule that says I have to answer your questions.

What is with your continual refusal to answer questions/deliberate avoidance of answering questions?

I have answered questions. What question has gone unanswered? I just am not answering them to your satisfaction but you have be responded to.

[glowball]

Okay... but what question haven't I answered and/or addressed?

[glowball]

Oh boy. Everyone I try to ISO, to figure out what's going on, they just keep coming back to talking about glowball. I'm not seeing how this is helping town at all. I'm thinking of voting to lynch her because getting rid of her might help us focus tomorrow and I'm going to guess the scum, if she's not among them, want to keep her around for exactly that reason. And if she is scum we get rid of one of them, so lynching her seems like a win-win.

But okay, I'll play along and act like she's town and ask her something I don't think anyone's asked before, and see if she answers:

these reactions have helped me scumhunt immensely

I'm glad to hear that! So far, you have Maruchan and me as scum from well before the reactions were made, and you didn't change your opinion at all after all the reactions, so you still must be convinced. Therefore, if the reactions

did

help you as much as you claim, you must know who the third scum is! Please let us know in case we lynch you today and lose access to that valuable information. Thanks.

Yeah, I've got a third read, but it's not as strong as you or Maruchan and I am still unsure if you two are scumz together one flip will make all things clear. I mean the reactions have helped me scum hunt, I never said the reactions told me EXACTLY who the scum are. When I know, which I suspect by tomorrow if we lynch correctly, I will let you know unless we lynch you which as I said before is still just as suitable as Maruchan.

[glowball]

Yeah, I've got a third read, but it's not as strong as you or Maruchan and I am still unsure if you two are scumz together one flip will make all things clear. I mean the reactions have helped me scum hunt, I never said the reactions told me EXACTLY who the scum are. When I know, which I suspect by tomorrow if we lynch correctly, I will let you know unless we lynch you which as I said before is still just as suitable as Maruchan.

You said you are unsure if me and him are scum together, but one flip will make all thigns clear.

explain this please?

If he flips scum, what do you expect, and if he flips town what do you expect?
if I flip scum, what do you expect, and if i flip town what do you expect?

How does that information help town rather than scum?

[glowball]

I do not line up lynches. PERIOD. I am not going to tell you what one flip means over the other until the next day phase if I make it. The information you ask for is information scum asks for to assess their kills at night. "Oh well she said that if Saulres was scum then I wasn't so it's ookay to keep her around or let's WIFOM" NO. It sets up for something bad this early.

[glowball]

@Supreme Overlord....

Hmm... I answered you questions. As for the ones you call questions (leading questions by Thunder) I guess you are more accurate in saying that. I find them to be almost outright lies because his leading questions are painting the picture that I said something that I did not say. As for the rest of your paragraph I don't need your vote off of me, I have done all I can in the realm of my game play to please you guys. This is me. Just lynch me and get it over with.

[glowball]

I do not line up lynches. PERIOD. I am not going to tell you what one flip means over the other until the next day phase if I make it. The information you ask for is information scum asks for to assess their kills at night. "Oh well she said that if Saulres was scum then I wasn't so it's ookay to keep her around or let's WIFOM" NO. It sets up for something bad this early.

did you even read my post?

I don't give a fuck about your answers.

I was trying to trap you into saying what I said so I could point to it and say you said it.

I don't give a fuck about the flips, I am just showing that you're whole "MAYBE they aren't a scum team DEPENDING ON FLIPS" is a load of BS.

You were trying to trap me into saying something? How is that not scummy? You wanted me to be a diversion later down the line? GODDAMNIT NOODLES! I hate Thunder but you are screaming scumz

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Maruchan

[glowball]

You are so foolish. Maruchan is obviously scum- that whole "trap" thing is scumtactic all day but because it's ME saying it you ignore it. Oh goodness, yeah you guys should lynch me like I said it will give you tons of information and Thunder is just obviously bad at scumhunting and you guys will know to stop listening to him and hopefully lynch Maruchan eventually

[glowball]

scum slip up on their own, he is facilitating it because he knows that people find particular answers scummy and he was hoping I'd answer that way so he could push my wagon further and look like he is scum hunting at the same time. Hindsight is 20/20 don't make me say I told you so at end game.

awww Amrun,
It's a shame you can never read me, well I will add you to the list of people I love to play with because when I finally am scumz you probably won't notice then either.

[glowball]

No just go ahead and vote me.. I am not claiming anyway. You guys get what you get for being this way

NINJA'D
Maruchan is right.

Um I don't recall you reading me correctly at all after my fake claim in NEW YORK you did however know when I was town in Hard Boiled. Well this time I guess I've thrown you a curve ball. I am thoroughly disappointed.

[glowball]

Also, Maruchan we do not talk about ongoing games so you need to shut that down, but in response to Amrun I didn't want to claim in Hard Boiled so Maruchan is using my lack of wanting MASS CLAIMING as the same as my lack of wanting to L-1 claim. I hate them both, but sometimes I will L-1 claim because that is how the game is played. I WILL NEVER SUPPORT A MASS CLAIM DAY ONE IN A GAME

[glowball]

glowball, I was totally all over your shit after your claim in New York. I suspected you before that, too.

Wait, was Maruchan in hard boiled? >.> I don't remember him.


IDK guys I just re-read glowball and I change my mind.

Unvote; Vote: Lane

That post I quoted is still scummy, but glowball is not scum. Sticking with my gut on this one.

Seriously, though, glowball, you should at least explain your scumreads.

Um no and NO Maruchan was not in hard boiled I don't know how you got that.

UGH. I love your Lane vote, it definitely reassures me of my read on you and I agree, but I really want Maruchan or Saulres to flip. Hell I'll probably be more cooperative in the next day phase.

I EXPLAINED MY SCUM READS.... well I have explained why I am voting Maruchan, why do you need a case on someone I am not voting right now? Because I don't mind their lynch? I think it is obvious if you go to the VERY beginning of the game to see why I find Saulres scummy...

In other news, my flip will provide a great deal of information...

[glowball]

Well well well.

Amrum votes glowball, and after I indicate that I'm going to vote her, he switches.

I point again to my first scumhunting post, where I make the case that glowball, Maruchan, and Amrun are the three mafia, and there was bussing.

And now this.

I'm getting more confident in my scumhunting abilities all the time!

PEDIT: Thanks for the votecount, Overlord. That, combined with Amrum dropping, means I don't have to worry about hammering.

VOTE: glowball

Townies shouldn't be too worried about hammering especially since you yourself said there is no reason why I would need to claim because either way I could lie....

[glowball]

I STATE MY READS! Goodness you guys just don't read between the lines... it is rather obvious, I just don't feel the need to come outright with it.

Amrun knows me so well

also, in other news stop stalking me into game sign ups!!!!!!!!!

[glowball]

There is a difference from see me post something like " I enjoy your vote on player X" and you assuming that I have a similar read and me saying "town write walls and scum write walls" and Thunder assuming that I said it was a scum tell....

I don't feel the need to say it and yes I deny that I am setting myself to back out of a read because anyone could quote several posts REASONABLY and tie me to people. HELL I have basically super glued myself to Maruchan and Saulres' flips

[glowball]

UGH. I love your Lane vote, it definitely reassures me of my read on you and I agree, but I really want Maruchan or Saulres to flip. Hell I'll probably be more cooperative in the next day phase.

.

[glowball]

Has anything interesting happened yet?

[glowball]

Saulres is newb-town. he/she is trying really hardcore and I like that.

He.

Glowball is a she, and I believe the only she in this game.

Thx for the vote of confidence.

Yes I am a she, but so is Amrun iirc.

[glowball]

@Thunder... why would I vogte for Mothrax just because he's the only other wagon? I am not going for an easy lynch, I am going for the correct lynch.

That seems to be the problem with most of you it's like follow the leader or let's just get this over with. Yeah we have a deadline, but why push a wagon on one person when you find someone else scummier? You are cheating yourself out of a correct lynch. I want Maruchan lynched, yeah Saulres would be okay but I am not just switching my vote to Mothrax because he's voting me.

[glowball]

I don't know whether Mothrax is town or scum. So NO I am not throwing my vote on him so the town can lynch him instead of me. My flip will show a lot and I am fine with that. Mothrax may be scum but he may be town, but don't put it on me like my vote is gospel or something. If you guys lynch incorrectly it's because of every vote on that wagon. I am not afraid of being lynched because I think it will help you guys, I think me being here longer helps too but it's up to you. No one has even made a case against me that I find remotely good so I don't even know how my wagon got this far, but I kind of want to be lynched because you guys deserve it. You deserve to mislynch if all you have against me is my playstyle which you've basically admittedly decided to policy lynch me for.

[glowball]

Alright can we move on to a flip then people seriously if you are going to lynch me than lynch me. IF not then let's vote for Maruchan. Although with recent posts I have been wavering in my reads and if lane is scum, supreme overlord is definitely suspect

[glowball]

@glowball. If I am scum? Do you have a case? I think that if you are scum, then we should watch out for amrun. With her vote for you and two posts later her oh I read glowball again, unvote vote lane again.
.

No I haven't prepared a case on you. Ok, none of the rest of that makes a difference.... As for your problems with Amrun no providing a case, I mean I didn't so I don't really see that as a tell.

[glowball]

I would prefer not to waste any more pages harping on people about providing cases or not. I think you are scummy because you seemed to be buddying, it was almost too good to be true that you weren't saying I am scum and it just seems a little fishy

[glowball]

Lane it's not that black and white and you should know that. Your reactions and reasons behind not finding me scummy seemed fake, town have genuine reactions. This whole up and arms thing you are doing now, especially that triple post is just digging your hole deeper for later. You should calm down, it's pretty obvious you aren't getting lynched today.

[glowball]

WOW... so you didn't want to be apart of my mislynch, but now that I have called you scummy I should go...awesome

[glowball]

I already said that, but the timing of your change of heart is suspect

[glowball]

OKay as long as we are in agreement

[glowball]

You know what, I HATE it when people try to control votes. YOU CANNOT TELL SOMEONE THAT ANOTHER PLAYER IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED. IN most cases I see scum trying to pull that crap and run the game. It's obvious that I am getting lynched and you guys are letting scum walk all over you. Stop. Think for yourselves. Don't let them roll you over to a win for them.

[glowball]

You know what, I HATE it when people try to control votes. YOU CANNOT TELL SOMEONE THAT ANOTHER PLAYER IS NOT GETTING LYNCHED.

Yes I can. I just did, and I'm right in doing so as well.

Sitting your vote on somebody who is not going to get lynched is (unless you're looking for a No Lynch over the top wagons, HENCE WHY I ASKED) completely useless and the kind of thing that should be taught in Newbie games. This is a team game. Not everybody can have their top choice lynched. If everybody simply sat their votes on their top suspect and didn't budge, scum would win so many more games.

IN FACT, you've SHOWN AWARENESS of this earlier in the day:

Because obviously none of you want to lynch my scumreads and I cannot lynch alone.

So WHY have you selectively forgotten this at deadline when it's even more important to be willing to compromise?

Guess what? I don't have to compromise. WHY?! Because I am being lynched. My vote no longer matters because you guys are being ridiculously stubborn and selfish. I shouldn't move my vote because we are not at a danger of no lynching. I am obviously not voting for myself, but you guys are lynching me anyway so it doesn't matter where my vote it placed. THANKS THOUGH

[glowball]

Does that mean hoppster is scum and doing anything to get town mothrax and town you lynched. And trying to control the towns votes? Aka mine? Meaning you think I'm town now?

That isn't what I said, that was a general statement to all of you sheeping scum to a mislynch. I am so obviously not scum, and I think most of you know that you just don't know what else to do so you've opted to mislynch that is just bad.

[glowball]

So that is L-1, who is coming in for the hammer? Can we please get this over with since you guys are in such a hurry so afraid of no lynching that you'd lynch someone who is obviously not scum. I swear if you lose this for town, I don't even think I should count it in my win/loss stats.

[glowball]

I swear if you lose this for town, I don't even think I should count it in my win/loss stats.

Would you count it if we win?

I DON'T EVEN THINK I SHOULD.

I haven't decided, one way or the other. Actually I will count it either way, but I will definitely put in in the notes that you guys were too stubborn to listen. That and Hoppster gets on my last nerve, if he is town(which given his most recent posts I have been waivering) I SWEAR I will be super disappointed in him.

[glowball]

Thunder did fantastic! However, there is NO WAY you should have let Maruchan live. This was just terribad and I am so disappointed.

[glowball]

I stayed the second-most-scummy player all game.I have a talent for staying alive.

Mafia generally don't kill scummy players, so...congrats, I guess.

yeah MOD. He was scumz!

God Xalxe, keep up!