Open 325: Paris Mafia III - Game Over

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Hi

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Coinfarm

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Vote: Empking

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You know why.

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Don't vig Maru, you jerks.

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Don't vig Maru, you jerks.

So you don't agree?

agree with what?

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Did you not understand my comment?

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OH Empking.

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Okay, this might be mimeMaruchan trolling us after all.

Vig shot.

Unvote; Vote: kanyeknowsbest

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Despite his stupidity Maruchan is probably town or mime, which means I agree with vig, etc.

I think Reck could also be scum or mime, but he is definitely not town.

The player with the anime avatar is def. town.

Fin.

I like your reasons and your things that constitute intelligent thought in this post.

Okay, this might be mimeMaruchan trolling us after all.

Vig shot.

Unvote; Vote: kanyeknowsbest

sorry, im not backing off your buddy.

What about me suggesting Maruchan should be vigged makes me a buddy? ESPECIALLY since you think we're both mimes -- suggesting a mime buddy be vigged would mean I lose the game as well.

Ok. After a quick read-through, I feel like these are the most suspicious players:

Reckoner
Maruchan

So, I'll

Vote: xRECKONERx

Hehehe. This is funny too. See: my response to scooby.

Maruchan is on the vig-list for reasons I have stated.
racerman is on the vig-list for obvious reasons.
Reck is on the vig-list for gut.

Oh really? So in your opinion, I'm "gut" mime... and yet...

Unvote; Vote: kanyeknowsbest

sorry, im not backing off your buddy.

What does Reck-scum gain from proposing his buddy be vig'd over lynched?

...literally in the exact same post, before your "list", you've proposed that I'm not a mime since I have no reason to get my buddy vigged.

Might wanna get your sentiments straight before you start throwing them around next time.

Good to know that this wagon on me is made of nothing but "LAWLGUT" and contradictory opinions/feelings. Excellent. Now to see who was just scum trying to throw shit and see where it stuck, and who was being a dumb townie.

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Oh, well if I'm scum, that's a different story. I could've sworn I read somewhere that people thought me/Maruchan were the mime team.

No, no, we're the mafia team. Totally different story.

::eyeroll::

I may have misunderstood, but the fact of the matter is that there isn't a single case on us.

Allow me to summarize the only thing resembling a "case" on us, per kanye's #99:

- I vote Empking after he attacks Maruchan.
- I ask people not to vig Maruchan.
- I "distance from my buddy" and try to derail things onto "one of his aggressors".

This isn't a case, it's fluff IIoA that has no solid concrete backing besides :tinfoil:. I could actually explain it as follows:

- I voted Empking for RVS antics and reactions.
- I ask people not to vig Maruchan because Maruchan's one of the newbies I've taken a liking to... this can be confirmed if you go check Prozac's Basic Theme in signups right now, where I actually go out of my way (unprovoked) to vouch for Maruchan.
- When I unvoted Empking, it was me moving my vote. Note that I didn't even once make an actual statement on Maruchan's alignment either way.

In fact, kanye's entire case is taking lulzy/RVS-based play and trying to make it SRSBZNSCASETIME instead of taking it at face value.

So if there's another case out there on me, I'd really love to see it, because despite me misunderstand whether people were calling me mime!Reck or scum!Reck, there's still not a damn shred of logic or rationale behind any of those votes.

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Sure.

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m in favor of maruchan lynch, reck vig. that could close the game out real quick before we even have to worry about the mimes if my suspicions are true.

u dum kanye
u dum

If another person throws meta in my face as a reason to lynch me (MARUCHAN) I'm going to rage.

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reckner: after some ISOing in the beginning you didn't think maru was mime. in fact you called those calling for it jerks. you changed your mind for it later, but perhaps this was just a way to go with the crowd? to look like one of "the guys"? i agree with whoever said you were either scum or mime, but i think im leaning towards scum since my only real thought process for mime in this case is WIFOM <curse you mime and how you invite endless WIFOM!>

LEARN.
TO.
READ.

I clearly fucking stated that shit was joking and JUST EXPLAINED ON THE LAST PAGE why it was that way (with backing evidence). Your entire post is now null and void and I will not read it.

@kanye: No. No, it's not completely different. Saying that it is only makes you scummier.

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He isn't town, for not playing according to normal. Therefore he is mime, because scum!Rack would play according to normal so as nothign looks off.

Hi Maru, common sense here.

How many games have you seen me in? One? That's still ongoing?

Yeah, your frame of reference for me being scum is TERRIBLE. If you'd like to see a game where people used bullshit meta to try and say I wasn't town and it backfired, you can read this. I have ON FIRE games every once in awhile, but look through my completed games as town on my wiki page. I'm 21-21 win-loss. I may have awesome games, but that doesn't mean I go SUPERUBERTOWNMODE in every game I play. It just so happens that in some games with the right environment, scum basically sacrifice themselves on a silver platter.

PREDIT: Yeah, okay, Maruchan is a mime.
(this preview edit was @Maru's second post before I got ninja'd FOUR MORE TIMES)

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kanye why are you scum in this game? It hurts my soul bro

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Reck: You're pretty cunning at manipulation right?

So they say.

Fortunately, I'm doing no manipulating here.

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KANYE WE GET IT YOU'RE SCUM

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I'm not pretending to be dick.

I'm town who walked into the game and all of a sudden got blindsided due to RVS/lulz antics and hasn't had a chance to breathe since.

Then when the case falls to shit I'm having meta thrown back in my face.

This is EXACTLY what happened in Scarlet Monastery ALL OVER AGAIN.

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Or a mime pretending to be scum pretending to be a mime.

I N C E P T I O N

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No lynch?

Please do the maths on that for me because I'm starting to think giving our vig a list of potential candidates and then no lynching may end up being more beneficial to us as a town until the mimes are dead.

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N1 chances

Scum have a 28% chance of offing the mimes N1 (2 mimes in 9 possible shots). Scum have a 28% chance of hitting a town PR (2 PRs in 9 possible shots).
The vigilante has a 40% chance of offing some form of scum N1 (2 mimes, 2 mafia, 6 other players). The vigilante has a 10% chance of hitting the watcher (1 PR in 10 possible shots).

I like our chances with the vigilante, but I *don't* like our chances with the scum hitting one of our PRs.

However, scum have a 14% chance of hitting the vigilante N1 and we won't get another shot. No lynching might be the way to go.

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That's actually what happened in Paris Mafia II. We lynched a mime D1, then the scum hit the other one N2.

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Yeah okay.

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I just don't see the point in wasting a lynch on a NL when lynching even if you hit a mime doesn't negatively hamper the game as long as you agree to continuous NLs until the second mime is dead.

The Vig can be killed. Or roleblocked. We need to get rid of the mimes NOW.

And how is this changed by lynching.

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QUESTION: would it hypothetically be worth it to have the vig claim, then let the watcher watch him?

If he gets roleblocked, watcher knows mimes.
If he gets killed, watcher knows scum.

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What happens if vig & scum are dead and it's only town & mimes left? Mimes auto-win?

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I support no lynching until either a) the mimes die, or b) the vig dies.

Vote: No Lynch

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mimes should still care about being outed. no one will lynch an outed mime.

Not true. Read the first Paris.

link?

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I support no lynching until either a) the mimes die, or b) the vig dies.

Vote: No Lynch

K, I stand by this

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Fucking PRO vig (or maybe scum)

LOL KANYE

We should reopen discussions about vig claiming for watcher protection.

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Vig wouldn't be CC'd anyway, since the real vig would obviously just shoot them.

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Yeah, I'm not seeing any negatives, though I'm interested to see what Empking says about this.

One point against it is that if the watcher gets NK'd, the vig is obviously next. But this also means the vig is guaranteed to say alive and thus be protected from NKs, and if the watcher doesn't get killed, we could have confirmed town in LYLO. Even if the watcher dies the night before LYLO, we'd still have the vig confirmed and alive the next day.

Plus there's always the WIFOM of "WHAT IF THE WATCHER DOESN'T PROTECT THE VIG" which is super fun for scum.

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HAHAHAHA WTF EMPKING WAS THE OTHER MIME.
HOW DID I MISS THAT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Fuck it then. I'm up for vigclaim.

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Okay,

watcher MUST watch whispersilk tonight

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If you are the real vig and whispersilk is fakeclaiming,

do not counterclaim. Shoot whispersilk instead.

Otherwise, we can now lynch elsewhere.

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Sure, let's do it.

Vote: kondi

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PS, we're in 2:6 right now.
If we lynch wrongly today, it's 2:5, and vig kill + mafia kill would be 2:3 (if he shoots wrong). So we absolutely need the vig to shoot tonight since WCS we get mylo tomorrow.
If we lynch correctly today, it's 1:6, and vig kill + mafia kill would be 1:4... at which point we may want to nolynch, since vigkill + mafiakill would be 1:2 (or we lynch, and vig doesn't shoot).

I suggest the watcher randomly chooses between protecting the vig and protecting the player they find the most pro-town. This way the mafia are WIFOMed out of who to kill.

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I have to go to work right now. though im ok with the kondi lynch if our so called vig says so, i would like a chance to actually post for real. so please hold off the hammer till at elast then. i will post sometime tonight/early morning <im on PST>. i just dont want to keep coming home to the day being over without talking haha.

Unvote; Vote: hohonryuu

Yup.

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Find the three-word phrase in hahonryuu's post that makes him scum.

I'll wait.

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If someone's at L-1 I'm going to hammer just FYI

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nope

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Because I can't rely on meta to help me get reads on people in this game and it's bothering me.

To be honest, I could see kondi-scum. I could also see hahonryuu-scum. I can't get an objective read on Maruchan because everyone keeps trying to lump us together.

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Reck, after I claimed, I said that I would be happy with a kondi lynch today. You immediately voted for him. Why is that?

Because I'm willing to vote whoever; did you not just read my explanation for my apathy mere moments ago?

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FYI, I reported his suicidal post, because that shit isn't okay.

However, Hoppster is basically throwing shit around and seeing what sticks, by the looks of it. In #339, he just lists off things that kondi is doing and then goes "I LIKE YOUR STYLE" to try and make him look scummy. It comes across as needlessly aggressive, and would be the same kind of faked aggression I've used as scum against townies who QQ'd out.

And for now... I'm going with it.

Vote: Hoppster

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Go ahead.

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Sorry guys, had limited access recently.

The replacement fucks us up because now all reads on that slot are basically invalid. scooby, why am I scum?

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scooby, why am I scum?

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There are two scum, herpderp.

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Fuck it, let's do it.

Vote: DonJosh

Watcher on whispersilk & whispersilk vigs _________________.

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No.

I'm FUCKING sick and tired of EVERY GODDAMN PERSON going OH LOOK RECK HASN'T CAUGHT SCUM BY PAGE THREE, HE'S CLEARLY FUCKING SCUM HIMSELF

no, you can all go fuck yourselves.

My overall record as town is 22 wins, 22 losses

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=18467 another game where Fate tried to pull that same meta bullshit argument and got me mislynched
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 25&start=0 game where I was completely off with my reads the whole time
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=17531 game where I caught all the scum but not until WAY late in the game


IN FACT I can only think of FOUR GAMES out of the SEVENTY-FOUR GAMES i've played on this site where I went into RAWWRRR SCUMHUNTING BEASTMODE.

So kindly find an actual fucking reason for thinking I'm scum, scooby, because this shit is getting annoying

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He is also constantly posting on GD.

Interesting, but not for the reasons you might think. He clearly has no desire to defend his slot, and it appears he's happy to just let himself be lynched. Is this what scum would do?

Or is this what vanilla town would do?

it's null, completely fucking null

I've seen EVERY type of person do this in their slot, from scum to VTs to town PRs

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Fuck it, vig me and let me wash my hands of this infernal game. 17 pages and I can't even remember what happened 5 pages ago. I thought it'd be fun to play with a generally new playerlist but then the ONLY TWO FACES I KNEW got taken out because they just so happened to be the mimes, and the rest of the game there's been a slow pressure build on me without a single shred of logic or reason.

Now Maruchan has suddenly joined the OH YEAH VIG RECK party? hahahahahahahaha Maruchan has said NOTHING about me the ENTIRE game. even scooby's bullshit REK DINT CATCH SCUMZ ON PAYGE TREE reasoning is at least reasoning; come now, Maruchan, why am I scum?

Hell I'm fine with getting vigged just so I can be saved from this idiotic circlejerk.

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I don't know. What I do know is that you're incredibly scummy for basically saying "lynch DonJosh... if he's scum, vig one of Reck/Maruchan, and we'll lynch the other tomorrow" and then saying "lynch DonJosh... if he's town, vig Maruchan and we'll lynch Reck tomorrow"

You're lining up THREE deaths in a row

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And I just think you're posting this game has been completely off from the other games I have seen you in. You just don't seem the same to me. Sorry.

Name the other games you've seen me in, and explain who my posting is completely different.

I'm sick of people being able to float by on gut and :GOOD VIBRATIONS: instead of using facts and logic.

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It's clear DonJosh is the lynch for today.

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Oh yeah and

Vig Vote = hahronyuu

or however the hell you spell it.

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lol

God you're either completely terrible at this game, or scum.

Or both.

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There's scum in the people pushing for me to be vigged; mark my words.

If DonJosh isn't scum, I can see hahonryuu being scum with someone else.

If he is, then one of the people pushing for my vig is the buddy.

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It's not a "no", it's a "one, the other, or both".

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k, you can die, I don't even care if you're scum, you're terrible

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I even edited your wiki page to reflect

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Don't vig racer's slot. I don't know. That /out makes me feel odd.

PREDIT: aaaand nevermind

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you're quite confident you'll be alive

If you're actually town you should probably do the analysis NOW so that if you get vigged/scumkilled we have your thoughts

otherwise this is just a cheap tactic to stay alive

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good point.

Vig shoots randomly.

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Vig Hoppster.

I changed my mind. He's leading the town WAY too hard and I do not trust him one bit. When I saw Hoppster-town last time, he was much more reserved and willing to scumhunt.

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We're not debating if being a strong, vocal leader is a tell. I'm stating that the Hoppster I've seen in other games has been MUCH more reserved and shy and timid, and he's been town all the other times. It's also CRUCIAL for scum to be at least somewhat in control in this game, since the watcher/vig combo can devastate them.

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No, because as I've already pointed out eleventyfuckingbillion times, I have more cases of me taking a backseat in games than I do cases of me leading the town or being in control. Those are rare anomalies that make me

obvoius

town; but my general meta is more passive.

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scooby, you're wrong.

I'm apathetic because I'm burnt out, and this game really didn't hold my interest nearly as well as I thought. Check Paris Mafia II -- I was absolutely terrible there, too. Something about this setup just grates on me, and I thought it'd be different this time... nope.

And who said I'm not watcher? You seem highly confident in that.

We're not discussing vig options anymore. whispersilk, vig whoever you feel is scum. It's that simple.

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AWWWW YEAH FUCKIN' CALLED THAT SHIT.
Awesome shot whisper

scooby was obvwatcher though, goddammit. I tried to breadcrumb it to draw a kill. So here's the deal:

If we lynch today and we're wrong, whispersilk cannot shoot tonight and she gets killed anyway, leaving us with 3p lylo tomorrow.

If we don't lynch today, whispersilk gets to shoot tonight and she gets killed anyway, still leaving us with 3p lylo tomorrow.

So basically we can vigvote or realvote today and we're going to get the same result anyway.

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reckner: after some ISOing in the beginning you didn't think maru was mime. in fact you called those calling for it jerks. you changed your mind for it later, but perhaps this was just a way to go with the crowd? to look like one of "the guys"? i agree with whoever said you were either scum or mime, but i think im leaning towards scum since my only real thought process for mime in this case is WIFOM <curse you mime and how you invite endless WIFOM!>

whisper: plz say more . can't get a read on someone who's not here.

racer: posts a bunch of nonsense then lists his top 2 suspicious players...and votes without saying what about them he finds suspicious. worse yet, in a game like this people could be TRYING to act suspicious so they CAN get lynched because they are mimes. now, im not saying dont vote...but to vote without even discussing why? that in of itself seems suspicious. i think im putting this guy on my mime list.

maru: on one hand, its a super early game post so i almost want to ignore it based on that alone...but on the other hand it DOES sound like he's trying TOO hard to make us think he's not mime. but at the same time, what he did was almost TOO suspicious <though at the same time for some reason my brain wants to ignore it completely for being so...i dunno> it seems like everything he's done on some level has invites the use of an all caps "TOO". so extreme it either must be true or must be the opposite of what he says. my feelings are that he's definitely town or mime. scum wouldn't so blatantly try to look like a mime since then they just get hit by Vig and die anyway. so I almost kinda wanna say mime like the rest of you...but at the same time I believe what he says is sincere because think of it like this...mimes want to be lynched, correct? well while he MIGHT have said something that may or may not be "mime" worthy, he certainly hasn't said anything, to my mind, that screams scum...if he doesn't appear scum, he doesn't get lynched. no lynch, no win for mime. I say that

for now

we leave him be. now if he starts giving off scum tells...then he should get hit by vig. unless i missed something. if so then please correct me.

hoppster: agree with his original vig choices 100%, though i would probably add kanye to it as of now. he explains himself well enough. perhaps a bit aggressive in that last post, but aggression in of itself isnt really a bad thing. like my point about confidence, its one of the ways things get done in this game. so i like it. im thinking town for now. though aggression can potentially lead to bad places, so we'll see.

overall opinions

empking: null leaning town

hoppster: town

kanye: leaning mime

kondi: town

maru: town for now until he becomes scummy. if he becomes scummy, he's a mime.

milkshake: town...a french speaking town so not as trsutworthy <^_~> but town.

racer: i would bet my left nut he's mime...or bad mafia

scooby: so inactive it hurts. with the lack of explanation he seems to be a <i dont mean this as a personal attack, so dont take it as such> but i think he's posting a bit like a tool. so im thinking another one thats either mime or scum. but not gonna lie, im mostly null on him. posts too little to be really strong in any direction.

whisper: lives up to her name cuz i cant hear her. hmm...she's not talking. you know who else doesnt talk? MIMES! kidding aside, i got nothing.

reck: scum or mime

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Just a bit of early-game reading... he tells whispersilk (confirmed town) to post more because he can't get a read on her. Worth nothing he also said the same thing about scooby. He says I'm scum for my joke posts at the start of the game. He says a lot of words about Maruchan that I don't care to read (basically calling him mime). He says he agrees with Hoppster's vig choices and calls him town.

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so, long story short, my top choices are
-racer
-reck/hopp

Well, shit. This is probably a softbus if I've ever seen one, which would make Maruchan town and would make the final scum either racerman13 or Hoppster.

Urgggh, then there was Maruchan's superbad hop onto my YEAH VIG RECK wagon D1.

-_-

Gut is telling me it's racerman13/Hoppster, but there's also that nagging little suspicion of Maruchan in the back of my mind. I need to do a full reread of this game, but it's probably not going to happen given how fuckin' slammed my schedule is for the next week (and my League of Legends addiction).

hahonryuu was actually very subtle as scum, which is surprising and refreshing for a newbie, but also makes it very hard to draw connections.

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Hmmm, I could've sworn hahonryuu had his vote on me at some point, but I guess not.

He was pushing for me pretty hard but there wasn't a vote.

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What are those two times she's shown that?

I mean to be fair, shooting tonight with a mislynch wouldn't be terrible because then this game wouldn't have to go on another day. I kinda wanna lynch racerman, though... I think Hoppster trying to goad whispersilk into shooting for a quick scum victory if wrong is terrible and incriminates him as well. I just don't see Maruchan scum, but at this point I'd probably hammer anybody besides whispersilk because tomorrow is going to suck dick anyway.

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Plus, the way Hoppster is just kinda riding his previous suspicions all the way into the end of the game rubs me as wrong... he's not even acknowledging any of the new information (hahonryuu-goon, scooby-watcher) and is just pushing for Maruchan based on old cases. I dislike that immensely.

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You didn't even look for connections. You just went "Yup, hahonryuu was scum, isn't that nice?" and continued pushing Maruchan with no regard for the new information. Did you go back and read scooby? Did he breadcrumb any results from N1?

It's very convenient that you're still pushing Maruchan. I'm tempted to throw my vote on there because once Maru is lynched, if she's town, you're pretty much confirmed scum in my eyes.

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Let's not get carried away here. I'm preparing a wall post here that everyone should take a look at. Instead of fighting, why don't you all read haru's posts in ISO. I'm telling you, everything we need to know is right there.

I read the first like five posts, then had to run... what'd I miss?

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ABOUT DAMN TIME SOMEBODY ELSE AGREED WITH ME.

Vote: whispersilk

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RETARDMODE ACTIVATE

Unvote; Vote: Hoppster

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I said retardmode was activated, shhhhh

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I agree with hoppster lynch/racer vig btw.

should I vote him or will that hammer?

I also agree with it. Hoppster lynch/racer vig. If you turn out to be scum, Maru, then well-played and good game, and I'll be sure not to underestimate you in the future.

I think you can vote him.

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We have enough to lynch him. Maru & whisper need just throw down votes on Hoppster.

If Hoppster isn't scum, I'm fine with a racervig, which means this game will end as soon as the mod gets here, posts the flip, and processes the vig shot.

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Maruchan: ============[]

After the hammer, whisper, you can go ahead and submit your vig. That way we can wrap this up.

I'm gonna be mindblown if Maruchan pulled the wool over my eyes like that, and if hahonryuu was that good at distancing from his buddy.

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Because he's getting lynched.

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THERE WE GO.

So Hoppster, is it gg?

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You can stop acting if you're scum, piling on the AtE won't blow my mind further.

If you're seriously town though then we've won.

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If you shoot me in the face if Hoppster flips town, then you're going to lose the game for us.

We had a plan of action: lynch Hoppster, vig racerman13, and it fit in with EXACTLY what I saw when I read hahonryuu's iso posts earlier (see: my first posts today). So why wait around for Hoppster to defend himself when I'm town, you're confirmed vig, and I believe Maruchan to be town? We lynch Hoppster, and vig racer, and that takes care of my two unknowns.

I seriously don't see how it makes me scum.

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EBWOP: This is probably you getting all antsy and paranoid about the flip and feeling a little pressure that you're the one who has to shoot someone tonight and end the game... if you don't think you can go along with the plan, then just don't shoot and let me/racer/Maruchan sort it out in lylo tomorrow. But I'm very confident one of Hoppster/racer is the last scumbag.

Like I said, if it's Maruchan, GEE GEE, and well-played.

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Ugh. Now I'm paranoid.

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top 2 is hard

i dont like the inactivity from racer or scooby, though with scooby thats changing a bit and even though before i was thinking frustrated town, i dislike reck's recent "ill vote for whoever" thing along with him apparently being not willing to explain his vote on me before. also hoppster is tunneling so hard <with such iffy reasons imo> its scary.

so with scooby's recent change <assuming it keeps up> im temporarily taking it off him, though i believe he has still yet to answer what i asked him earlier. but for now he's temporarily off my radar

so now my top 3 is racer hoppster and reck in no particular order...

hoppsters tunneling is definitely iffy, but its not like i haven't seen town tunnel before so im unsure on whether or not to call him out on it enough to say he should be the target of a kill. yet anyway. but of course one of those kills is entirely up to you so that's hardly for me to decide. besides, its not like he's a bad choice per se, i know i wont be crying if he's the choice. afterall he is in my top <bottom?> 3. the only thing stopping me really is that i have indeed seen such actions from town. thats what really bugs me. not saying they are GOOD town choices of course...but me suggesting killing him feels like a policy lynch to me and i dont really care for those. certainly a fine choice though

recks actions yesterday made me think frustrated/angry town, but now with his recent actions he seems to be acting pretty anti town. a willingness to vote for anyone is just not good. on some level i wanna let it slide because he seemed town enough yesterday, but at the same time letting a scum go because they were town yesterday is just falling right into their trap =/.

racers overall inactivity combined with how he has yet to really explain either of the votes he's made <no, saying "i find him the most suspicious" and "agreed" (when the post you agreed to gave literally no explanation) is not explaining your votes> openly said he was lurking...and doesn't have the "gee i think he might be town" from yesterday that reck had or "gee, ive seen town do that before so its not exactly a scum tell" that hoppster had. so he doesn't make my mind do mental gymnastics to want to not vote him haha

so, long story short, my top choices are

-racer
-reck/hopp

So whisper, you don't believe he would've been bussing racer here?

[xRECKONERx]

The haru/racer thing with kondi makes a lot of sense with them being scum together, actually.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 1.1:

xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [1] - Hoppster

Not Voting - [9] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, xRECKONERx, whispersilk, racerman13,

Empking

,

scooby

,

milkshake

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.2:

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - xRECKONERx, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

Maruchan - [1] -

Empking

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

Not Voting - [3] - racerman13,

scooby

,

milkshake

Votecount 1.3:

Maruchan - [3] -

Empking

,

milkshake

,

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Votecount 1.5:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.6:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.7:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.8:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Final Day 1 Votecount:

No Lynch - [6] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

milkshake

,

Empking

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [1] -

scooby

xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[xRECKONERx]

Find the three-word phrase in hahonryuu's post that makes him scum.

I'll wait.

So called vig. Agreed.

Vote: hahonryuu

This is interesting to me... it's a very convincing bus if racerman13 is actually bussing, especially since it wasn't obvious which phrase I was talking about.

[xRECKONERx]

VCA is useless because hahonryuu just sits off every wagon. He votes milkshake for a bit, then goes back to not voting the entire day.

...and now I just remembered that whispersilk is confirmed town, lemme edit the VCs.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 1.1:

xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [1] - Hoppster

Not Voting - [9] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, racerman13,

Empking

,

scooby

,

milkshake

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.2:

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - xRECKONERx, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

Maruchan - [1] -

Empking

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

Not Voting - [3] - racerman13,

scooby

,

milkshake

Votecount 1.3:

Maruchan - [3] -

Empking

,

milkshake

,

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Votecount 1.5:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.6:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.7:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.8:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Final Day 1 Votecount:

No Lynch - [6] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

milkshake

,

Empking

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [1] -

scooby

xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[xRECKONERx]

Hmmm. So D1, hahonryuu sits off the wagons the ENTIRE time, except for a minor vote on milkshake (which looks like it was during RVS). That makes it impossible to draw a pattern between him & his partner's voting habits.

Maruchan & I were both on mimes the entire time >.>;

racerman13 just parked his vote on me the ENTIRETY of Day 1.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 2.1:

Not Voting - [8] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, Hoppster, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, racerman13,

scooby

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.2:

kondi2424

- [4] - Hoppster, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

scooby

Not Voting - [3] -

kondi2424

, racerman13,

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.3:

kondi2424

- [2] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [2] -

hahonryuu

, Hoppster

Votecount 2.4:

kondi2424

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.5:

kondi2424

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.6:

DonJosh

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

DonJosh

hahonryuu

- [1] - racerman13
Hoppster - [1] - xRECKONERx

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.7:

DonJosh

- [2] -

whispersilk

, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

DonJosh

hahonryuu

- [1] - racerman13
Hoppster - [1] - xRECKONERx

Not Voting - [2] -

hahonryuu

, Maruchan

Final Day 2 Votecount:

DonJosh

- [5] - Hoppster, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

whispersilk

, racerman13
xRECKONERx - [1] -

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

DonJosh

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[xRECKONERx]

Looking at Day 2 is interesting:

4/5 of us immediately jump on kondi, but racerman13 stays off the wagon. It's worth nothing hahonryuu also stays off the wagon as well.

I point out the little "phrase" I found odd that made hahonryuu scum, and racerman13 is quick to jump in and agree. As I said earlier -- this is a very bizarre bus if it is one. Maruchan sits parked on kondi2424, staying out of the me/hahonryuu business.

Eventually Hoppster joins the kondi2424 wagon; I end up jumping onto Hoppster while racerman13 stays parked on hahonryuu, and maruchan unvotes off of the DonJosh wagon after he replaces in.

By the end of the day, ALL FIVE OF US were on that DonJosh wagon, whereas hahonryuu stayed off. His buddy was on that wagon somewhere, it's just a question of where.

I find Maruchan's unvote in 2.7 very odd and opportunistic -- when DonJosh was the most viable wagon (and really the only wagon) he pretty much parked it there, but as soon as he had the option of voting me, hahonryuu, or Hoppster, he unvoted (only to end up back on DonJosh anyway).

Still... something in my gut tells me racerman13 left his vote parked on hahonryuu so long BECAUSE he didn't actually think he'd get lynched.

Ugh, these VCAs prove absolutely nothing. Goddammit.

[xRECKONERx]

Nothing has changed my mind about Hoppster-scum. I'm trying to do all of this IN CASE he isn't scum, so that you have the information ready for you to make the best decision about a vig shot.

After going through the vote counts, it actually makes me MORE confident Hoppster must be scum, because Maruchan/racerman13 don't make nearly as much sense. I just didn't include him in my analysis because if he's scum, it won't matter because gg, and if he's town, then he's clearly dead and not a suspect.

[xRECKONERx]

I'm going to keep mine on racerman13, actually... UGH I don't know. This shit is really difficult.

I've seen people do the "What if X flips scum/town?" thing as both alignments, I'm not sure it's a slip.

[xRECKONERx]

Oh. Yeah. Shoot Maruchan then.

[xRECKONERx]

Hey btw Maru, I totally read through the other game you are currently playing...sims mafia? I believe you were scum in that too, and when you got caught out by reck, you used the same "oh, I didn't roleblock someone last night cuz I had 3 tabs open and I had 3 night actions to pm, and I uhm forgot to send the on for this game".

LOL, I wonder if one of those tabs was for a night action in this game. Hmmm. I wonder how many games you are currently playing..

this is why you shoot Maruchan

[xRECKONERx]

Really Maru? Whisper is confirmed vig.

what

[xRECKONERx]

HEHEHAEHHAEHAHEHEHAHE

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[xRECKONERx]

Just wanna say -- I told you hahonryuu/Hoppster were scum

Awesome vig shots, whisper!