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[Xeras]

Wow. It looks like we are starting with random voting really fast in this game. >>

If that is the case then VOTE: Off The Mark For not confirming yet.

[Xeras]

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Xeras

: What's wrong with voting really fast?

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Lord

: It's daytime here.

Aimless voting is aimless. :p

Racercar, If this game started on a night phase, who would you have killed if you were mafia?

[Xeras]

Ask questions. ^^

Though, I am not too good with coming up with questions.

Ranmaru, True or False, between a cat and a peacock, you would say that your traits match a peacock more?

[Xeras]

I asked Racerman because he seemed the scummiest out of the people that have posted thus far.

Honestly, I only asked because I have seen it around as well, and I am trying to figure out the point behind it. >>

[Xeras]

Mostly gut at this point...

[Xeras]

Epsilon, this would be odd.

Unvote, Vote Ranmaru

[Xeras]

Hmm... Ran, it looks like we have more in common than I previously thought.

Also, I can say you definitely are a peacock. At this point, I am going to say Epsilon is slightly doggish. I want to see how that one progresses.

[Xeras]

Ah Krazy, the IC has shown up.

Krazy, would you say that you prefer to play as town or as mafia more?
Also, which one would you say you are better at playing at?

[Xeras]

Ok, I put a comment and for some reason it didn't go through. Anyway, I just want to see why during RVS Lord chose to vote for someone who already had a vote against them. Right after my comment, Xeras voted for Ranmaru. Did you just do this to make a point? I've just been trying to get the discussion going by asking questions like you guys have said.

To be honest, I was fishing. Though, I have not got any reactions I was expecting, but it is also true that some people haven't posted at all. (I am not complaining, the game just started earlier today)

@Krazy, It would make me quite mad to end with a draw over a careless mistake. -_-

// Is it normal to mention that a person is at L-2, L-1 or hammered when voting?

[Xeras]

I actually would say that not posting L-2 would be more of a 'townslip'.

The few times I have played as scum, I would not let that type of thing slip if I was scum. I am quite precise with what I post. Even if it doesn't seem like it most of the time.

[Xeras]

Hmm... Ran, it looks like we have more in common than I previously thought.

Also, I can say you definitely are a peacock. At this point, I am going to say Epsilon is slightly doggish. I want to see how that one progresses.

Can you elaborate on this? What exact traits do peacocks have? What do we have in common?

Explain your Epsilon doggish desicription.

Taken from Mewithoutyou's song "A Glass Can Only Spill What it Contains"

a cat came drifting onto my porch from the outside cold
and with eyes closed, drinking warm milk from my bowl,
thought:

"nobody hears me!(nobody hears me)
as I crept in so soft!
and nobody sees me!(nobody sees me)
as I watched six steps off."

like the peacocks wandering the walkways of the zoo
who have twice the autonomy the giraffes and the tigers do,
saying:

"no one can stop me,(no one can stop me)
no one clips my claws!
now everyone watch me(everyone watch me)
scale these outside walls!"

To me, a peacock is someone that likes to divert the attention onto themselves. A cat would be someone who tries to hide and lurk.
I did through out a dog, but it is just because Epsilon seems to have a 'loyal' trait to him. Though, I want to see how far that goes.

[Xeras]

Xeras, I would have killed the IC.

Wow. I really wasn't expecting you to answer me. xD

Once you answered, I will as well. I would have killed Off the Mark if I were mafia.

[Xeras]

Absolutely none. Other than it may have been a good choice for him, seeing as I'd likely be looking for newbscum.

[Xeras]

UNVOTE: Ranmaru

This vote is getting me no where, and I don't want someone to hammer when I am asleep.

[Xeras]

Nah, but it was L-2, and I am quite sure that there is at least one mafia member that has no posted yet, because no one seems to be particularly scummy at this point. If I had to pick someone that has posted at this point to be a possible member of the mafia, I think my best guess at this time would be Krazy.

[Xeras]

Not yet, I need to watch a bit more first. ^^

[Xeras]

Lord, you have gotten my attention.

Let's play a little game. A game within a game.

You are driving in a car. The person you are with tells you to turn right. What do you do?

[Xeras]

Trying a bit hard to look like town, aren't you?

[Xeras]

Xeras, HOW did you have a gut feeling that I was scum when I'd made ONE POST that was an RVS VOTE? That launches my suspicion of you up a bunch of notches. I think you were trying to find an easy mafia target.

Vote: Xeras

L-1, until Krazy unvoted. It's kind of crazy, you accuse me of trying to find an 'easy' target, while you join an existing bandwagon. A bandwagon that only exists because I am being proactive and fishing for reactions.

You are confirming my initial feelings about you. The reason I initially suspected you was because of your 'rvs'. You were the second person to post, and you picked the person that voted for me. Could it be that you were hoping to gain my trust by defending me? Or perhaps you expected me to vote for Ranmaru, considering that he voted for me.

VOTE: Racerman

@Lord. I was only saying that I found Krazy to be suspicious so that why I could have more activity. There has been nothing yet, and I got the reaction I thought I would have got from other people.

[Xeras]

The lurkers are getting on my nerves as well, because I am sure one of them is mafia. Without anyone of them posting, I cannot get a proper read.

Anyway,

Town
Ranmaru
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Epsilon
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Null
Lord
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Krazy
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Scum
Racerman

[Xeras]

Town

Epsilon

Explain this please.

Are you replacing someone?

[Xeras]

Of those examples, I must go with this.

1. Scum
2. Scum
3. Scum
4. Town

[Xeras]

And I guess I better do this. I am not good at fluffing things up though, so you probably will not get as much details as you were hoping for.

Epsilon_Andrew
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With him I am leaning Null, with a swirl of town mixed in. That is what the line was for, but I didn't really explain that part.

He is asking what I consider the proper questions a townie should ask.

Ok, that was scummy.

(This is when I placed Ranmaru at L-2.) To me this something a townie would say. I could see a member of the mafia putting Ranmaru at L-1 instead. In fact that is what I was waiting for. Then I had to go to sleep, so I figured I would end the experiment just in case Ranmaru did get lynched.

Right after my comment, Xeras voted for Ranmaru. Did you just do this to make a point? I've just been trying to get the discussion going by asking questions like you guys have said.

This is something else a member of town would ask.

The thing about is, that most of these things are semi-obvious, so that is why I will not give him the full town treatment at this time.




Isa
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... You only have a few posts, and from today, so it is a bit harder to get a proper read on you, considering that I have had no interaction with you yet. ^^

From your posts, I have a feeling that you are trying to drift with the crowd. You know, looking for an easy lynch.

VOTE: Xeras THIS IS L-1. NOBODY HAMMER.

What do you mean easy lynch? I told no one to hammer.

Right. I personally am a compulsive hammerer. Especially on day one. The thing is, there is next to no information to work with. Day one basically comes to gut instincts and tricks.
You are the fourth person to vote for me, and as far as I can tell, you have just repeated what others have said. (Other than my small slip of not seeing an unvote)

To me you are null, strongly leaning scum, until I have further interaction with you.

Jeffiej •
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Scum. He is lurking,

Krazy (IC)
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Yes. I did originally mark him as Null leaning scum. The thing with ICs, is that they are harder to read. They need to make sure everyone is playing properly, and not making stupid mistakes. Like lynching on the second day. I am still completely null on this guy.


Lord
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"... x.x
I'm not going to bother, since I do not know what is up with him. >>

Stels
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Null leaning town.
Though, it is hard to get a proper read with only two posts.

racerman13 (SE)
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SCUM.

That launches my suspicion of you up a bunch of notches. I think you were trying to find an easy mafia target.

How are you an 'easy' mafia target if no one is really voting for you? Or perhaps, it was a Friedan slip. Do you see yourself as not being very good as mafia? Do you think if you were mafia, you would be an easy read? Perhaps you are, and felt kind of nervous about the situation I put you in.

Random Voting Stage.How to you make something out of that? I have never played a game with you before. You are completely out of your fucking mind with paranoia.

TO be completely honest, I hate the RVS. To me it gives scum a reason to vote for someone, and hope that they start a bandwagon. When it turns up a mislynch, they can use the excuse 'derplolrvs". This ultimately gives the scum another day in the lead.

Ranmaru
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TOWN.
I am see him as very strongly town. Though, when someone reads this strongly as town, there is a chance that he is scum.

that's not a good question to ask. That question can incriminate a person wrongly.

(In reference to me asking racerman who he would kill as scum, if we had a night start.)
This is what set me off with the town tangent with him. Though, the obvious statement, should have been obvious, but it is also true that he is the only one to ask it. So, once I was completely sure, I then placed him at L-2.

Actually, it's perfectly fine. What intentions do you see from Lord? And Xeras, since you said it was scummy.

(In response for me placing him at L-2) When someone is close to lynch, there are two actions. One. Remain calm, because a vanilla lynch is better than a PR lynch, or, you are a PR trying to lay low. Or Two, freak out, because you are scum, and losing a partner on day one, dramatically reduces chances as a mafia win. There is also, mafia, staying calm, because he is overly arrogant.

Xeras. Do you think that question helped you gain an alignment read on Racerman?

Another proper question that a townie should be asking.

[Xeras]

Game 1:

xtra there's no way you actually think there was a chance of sj getting lynched. what xeras said about your vote is accurate, it's basically a vote for shizuka without actually doing it.

To me, this is someone redirecting attention away from the bandwagon.

But wait, he was talking about adding on the 'Shizuka' bandwagon.

Yes, but this is a trap. The person originally posting this is probably a member of the mafia, bussing 'Shizuka'. When Shizuka flips mafia, the next suspect would be 'Xtra'. Instead of the person that posted the above post.

A good trap.

[Xeras]

I have no alts at all on any site. ^^

I joined this site a few days after DarkClaymore. We both play at NISamerica, and we both died early, so we joined here to spend some downtime until the next game started. ^^

[Xeras]

Johhog, When you catch up, can you please give your opinion on racerman. ^^

[Xeras]

... so no one has unvoted Lord, despite me saying that I am a compulsive hammerer...

You guys must want him dead. -_-

Unvote, Vote Lord

I was really hoping someone would unvote.

[Xeras]

If Lord flips town I won't move my vote at all during day 2. If Lord flips scum...well, I'm in a tight spot I assume. I don't care, I just HATE impulsive hammers and this one is especially poor.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

Compulsive. Not Impulsive. If it was impulsive, I would have done it at 3 in the morning, when I went to sleep. Or maybe at 8, when I went to work. But I waited a full twelve hours.

This is the I see it. I don't want a replacement. It is someone else I have to figure out. Using the existing data, it makes it tricky. He was asking for replacement.

A closed environment should stay closed, unless it cannot be helped. Day one is day one. The only time we lynch scum on day one is if it is an arrogant, or ignorant mafiaso.

[Xeras]

If Xeras turns out to be a townie, I'll use WotC whenever feasible should we play in the same game. I am so many levels of mad right now.

Over reacting much?
He shouldn't of even been in this game, considering he is an alt. He is asking for a replacement, so he doesn't even want to play. Or rather, has lost his desire to. He already accepted that he would be lynched. He had a chance to claim, but decided not too.

[Xeras]

Your posts on M seem more based out of annoyance with him than out of actual suspicion.

This is true. I was voting out of being annoyed. ^^

As far as how much I suspected him, I am more or less null on him.

[Xeras]

I can say this with confidence. If Krazy is scum, then Racerman is.

[Xeras]

I can say this with confidence: If Lord/M is town, then Xeras is scum.

Going for the double mislynch eh?
This reeks of scumminess.

[Xeras]

If post 225 = true,
then post 226 = true.

However if lord is scum... then... I am not sure who to go after... possibly epsilon?

[Xeras]

I strongly believe racerman is scum. ^^

[Xeras]

So why would the mafia kill of lynchbait?

Derp. To make it look like the mafia is newbscum.

Vote Krazy

[Xeras]

I can say this with confidence: If Lord/M is town, then Xeras is scum.

Racerman, reasoning?

[Xeras]

1. Scum
2. Town
3. Town
4. Town
5. Scum (Problem?,)

It seems like you are trying to frame me.

[Xeras]

Are you saying you didn't badhammer/scumhammer, Xeras?

Are you saying that there is way to be neither a badhammer, nor a scumhammer in a mislynch?

[Xeras]

So why would the mafia kill of lynchbait?

Derp. To make it look like the mafia is newbscum.

Does this have anything to do with the vote that follows it?

If someone were to make a kill to make it look like newbscum, the person that it would benefit the most is the IC.
Though, this is all wine.

And go ahead at put me at l-1 if you really want to. Voting myself would be playing against my wincon.

[Xeras]

Xeras what I don't understand is, if you recognize that the behavior when you see it in others is scummy, why did you do it this game?

Also, please answer my question in #256.

What is worse. Doing something that others may see as scummy, or completely lying?
I waited a while hoping someone would unvote, but that never happened. -_-

[Xeras]

Stels-

What does the timing have to do with a badhammer. I was stating that a mislynch must either be a badhammer, or a scumhammer. Not that I hammered because someone told me to.

[Xeras]

No, a mislynch doesn't have to be a badhammer or a scumhammer. Someone could mislynch the scummiest player with good reason (not "I'M A COMPULSIVE H4MM4R, S0RRIE GUYS!!!1!11!1!!1!1!!") and with the end of discussion for that day. We were still discussing, we had TONS of time left.

You are leaning slightly more town with me now.

[Xeras]

I guess once I am L-1 I will claim Vanilla Townie. Unless the doctor/ Jailkeeper does their job properly, we will be in lylo.
Once I am gone, Krazy/racerman and Stels.

Unvote, Vote Stels

L-2

[Xeras]

Isa, Krazy, Racerman

- If I flip VT, who do you think the scumteam would be?

[Xeras]

Racerman. So if I am innocent, Stels is scum. If I am guilty, Stels is scum.

Why not lynch Stels first?

[Xeras]

Ranmaru, where you get caught up, please do not hammer me. I want to figure out the rhythm before I die.
Hmm...

Krazy, and Epsilon

- Scum tend to distance themselves away from their partners. Who does it seem like Stels is the least chummy with?

[Xeras]

YOU.

Myuu... I wasn't expecting that response. Do an ISO and try again. ^^

[Xeras]

EBWOP:

If Krazy hammers me, then assume he is Stel's partner.

But isn't Krazy currently voting for Stels?

He is, but it is strongly likely that he is bussing his partner in day 2, just in case Stels get's lynched day 3. At that point he can go 'Derp. I started the bandwagon on Stels'

[Xeras]

My secondary opinion would be Epsilon. He talks about Stels looking scummy, but never pursues it. The only people he is after is you and I.

So assuming I do get lynched, I think the best course would be stels during lylo.
After that, It would be between Krazy and Epsilon. Stels distances himself away from Krazy, while Epsilon separates himself from Stels.

[Xeras]

What happened to me being confscum?

Nothing in day one is ever concrete. That is why I like to rush to day two, since I have a little bit of patterns to work with.

[Xeras]

Cool to know that everyone's on board with Xeras being scum, except for Stels. I wonder why...

Should it turn out to be so that Xeras actually flips town (though unlikely), I'll vote Stels tomorrow still. Not sure about his partner though...but again, it's Xeras.

Ignorant sprite! Xeras is second on my list if you actually bothered reading my posts. Epsilon is distancing me and possibly going for the town points later. So Xeras/Epsilon are on the same level here for me. Krazy is #1 though, and always will be.

If Epsilon is scum, why would he be distancing himself from town? If I were mafia, I Would be trying to buddy up with some one that obvious scum. Then after that person flips town, I would go "Derp. Everyone else seemed so sure."

Stels/Epsilon people. I don't care if I get lynched now.

[Xeras]

Still Vanilla townie. I would suggest eliminating either Stels or Epsilon during day 3.

During the lylo, do not let them mislead you. ^^