Open 325: Paris Mafia III - Game Over

[whispersilk]

Seriously, if Maru is scum I'm going to be so pissed, and hopp is going to be even more pissed.

[xRECKONERx]

Ugh. Now I'm paranoid.

[whispersilk]

Seriously, my racerscum vibe has almost completely vanished, so if hopptown exists, then I have this awful feeling that I'm going to be spending the night deciding if haru and his buddy decided to distance (meaning you are the other scum) or if hru decided to buddy him all the way (maruscum).

[racerman13]

Also, hopp could just be making us sweat here. Our mod did exactly the same thing to me in newbie 1128.

I lol'd when he did that

[xRECKONERx]

top 2 is hard

i dont like the inactivity from racer or scooby, though with scooby thats changing a bit and even though before i was thinking frustrated town, i dislike reck's recent "ill vote for whoever" thing along with him apparently being not willing to explain his vote on me before. also hoppster is tunneling so hard <with such iffy reasons imo> its scary.

so with scooby's recent change <assuming it keeps up> im temporarily taking it off him, though i believe he has still yet to answer what i asked him earlier. but for now he's temporarily off my radar

so now my top 3 is racer hoppster and reck in no particular order...

hoppsters tunneling is definitely iffy, but its not like i haven't seen town tunnel before so im unsure on whether or not to call him out on it enough to say he should be the target of a kill. yet anyway. but of course one of those kills is entirely up to you so that's hardly for me to decide. besides, its not like he's a bad choice per se, i know i wont be crying if he's the choice. afterall he is in my top <bottom?> 3. the only thing stopping me really is that i have indeed seen such actions from town. thats what really bugs me. not saying they are GOOD town choices of course...but me suggesting killing him feels like a policy lynch to me and i dont really care for those. certainly a fine choice though

recks actions yesterday made me think frustrated/angry town, but now with his recent actions he seems to be acting pretty anti town. a willingness to vote for anyone is just not good. on some level i wanna let it slide because he seemed town enough yesterday, but at the same time letting a scum go because they were town yesterday is just falling right into their trap =/.

racers overall inactivity combined with how he has yet to really explain either of the votes he's made <no, saying "i find him the most suspicious" and "agreed" (when the post you agreed to gave literally no explanation) is not explaining your votes> openly said he was lurking...and doesn't have the "gee i think he might be town" from yesterday that reck had or "gee, ive seen town do that before so its not exactly a scum tell" that hoppster had. so he doesn't make my mind do mental gymnastics to want to not vote him haha

so, long story short, my top choices are

-racer
-reck/hopp

So whisper, you don't believe he would've been bussing racer here?

[whispersilk]

I do, and that is why racer was my other suspect. But since he has shown up and posted, he's not giving me the cum vibe anymore. Maybe he's just really playing all nonchalant so that I doubt myself.

I really shouldn't question myself so much. I've been right in this game more than I've been wrong.

[whispersilk]

Ok, the only player he left out of that list was Maru. I'm town between thinking that he left Maru off that list because Maru is his buddy, and haru didn't think he would end up dead, and between thinking that he would put his buddy on that list for bussing purposes. He made that list and didn't vote for any of them. He didn't even end up voting for kondi. Racer hammered kondi.

I don't think racer is scum.

ffs, wicked, please just put me out of my misery.

[xRECKONERx]

The haru/racer thing with kondi makes a lot of sense with them being scum together, actually.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 1.1:

xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [1] - Hoppster

Not Voting - [9] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, xRECKONERx, whispersilk, racerman13,

Empking

,

scooby

,

milkshake

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.2:

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - xRECKONERx, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

Maruchan - [1] -

Empking

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

Not Voting - [3] - racerman13,

scooby

,

milkshake

Votecount 1.3:

Maruchan - [3] -

Empking

,

milkshake

,

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Votecount 1.5:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.6:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.7:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.8:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster, whispersilk,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Final Day 1 Votecount:

No Lynch - [6] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

milkshake

,

Empking

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster, whispersilk

Empking

- [1] -

scooby

xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[xRECKONERx]

Find the three-word phrase in hahonryuu's post that makes him scum.

I'll wait.

So called vig. Agreed.

Vote: hahonryuu

This is interesting to me... it's a very convincing bus if racerman13 is actually bussing, especially since it wasn't obvious which phrase I was talking about.

[xRECKONERx]

VCA is useless because hahonryuu just sits off every wagon. He votes milkshake for a bit, then goes back to not voting the entire day.

...and now I just remembered that whispersilk is confirmed town, lemme edit the VCs.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 1.1:

xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [1] - Hoppster

Not Voting - [9] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, racerman13,

Empking

,

scooby

,

milkshake

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.2:

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - xRECKONERx, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

kanyeknowsbest

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

Maruchan - [1] -

Empking

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

Not Voting - [3] - racerman13,

scooby

,

milkshake

Votecount 1.3:

Maruchan - [3] -

Empking

,

milkshake

,

kanyeknowsbest

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

milkshake

- [1] -

hahonryuu

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Votecount 1.5:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.6:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Maruchan - [2] -

milkshake

, kanyeknowbest

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

kondi2424

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.7:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 1.8:

kondi2424

- [3] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

,

Empking

Empking

- [2] - Maruchan,

scooby

No Lynch - [2] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

Maruchan - [1] -

milkshake

kanyeknowsbest

- [1] - xRECKONERx
xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Final Day 1 Votecount:

No Lynch - [6] -

kondi2424

,

kanyeknowsbest

, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

milkshake

,

Empking

kondi2424

- [2] - Hoppster,

whispersilk

Empking

- [1] -

scooby

xRECKONERx - [1] - racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[whispersilk]

Both Maru and racer were consistent. What are you getting at?

[xRECKONERx]

Hmmm. So D1, hahonryuu sits off the wagons the ENTIRE time, except for a minor vote on milkshake (which looks like it was during RVS). That makes it impossible to draw a pattern between him & his partner's voting habits.

Maruchan & I were both on mimes the entire time >.>;

racerman13 just parked his vote on me the ENTIRETY of Day 1.

[xRECKONERx]

Votecount 2.1:

Not Voting - [8] -

kondi2424

, Maruchan, Hoppster, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, racerman13,

scooby

,

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.2:

kondi2424

- [4] - Hoppster, xRECKONERx,

whispersilk

, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [1] -

scooby

Not Voting - [3] -

kondi2424

, racerman13,

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.3:

kondi2424

- [2] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [2] -

hahonryuu

, Hoppster

Votecount 2.4:

kondi2424

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.5:

kondi2424

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

kondi2424

hahonryuu

- [2] - xRECKONERx, racerman13

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.6:

DonJosh

- [3] -

whispersilk

, Maruchan, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

DonJosh

hahonryuu

- [1] - racerman13
Hoppster - [1] - xRECKONERx

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

Votecount 2.7:

DonJosh

- [2] -

whispersilk

, Hoppster
xRECKONERx - [2] -

scooby

,

DonJosh

hahonryuu

- [1] - racerman13
Hoppster - [1] - xRECKONERx

Not Voting - [2] -

hahonryuu

, Maruchan

Final Day 2 Votecount:

DonJosh

- [5] - Hoppster, xRECKONERx, Maruchan,

whispersilk

, racerman13
xRECKONERx - [1] -

scooby

Hoppster - [1] -

DonJosh

Not Voting - [1] -

hahonryuu

[xRECKONERx]

Looking at Day 2 is interesting:

4/5 of us immediately jump on kondi, but racerman13 stays off the wagon. It's worth nothing hahonryuu also stays off the wagon as well.

I point out the little "phrase" I found odd that made hahonryuu scum, and racerman13 is quick to jump in and agree. As I said earlier -- this is a very bizarre bus if it is one. Maruchan sits parked on kondi2424, staying out of the me/hahonryuu business.

Eventually Hoppster joins the kondi2424 wagon; I end up jumping onto Hoppster while racerman13 stays parked on hahonryuu, and maruchan unvotes off of the DonJosh wagon after he replaces in.

By the end of the day, ALL FIVE OF US were on that DonJosh wagon, whereas hahonryuu stayed off. His buddy was on that wagon somewhere, it's just a question of where.

I find Maruchan's unvote in 2.7 very odd and opportunistic -- when DonJosh was the most viable wagon (and really the only wagon) he pretty much parked it there, but as soon as he had the option of voting me, hahonryuu, or Hoppster, he unvoted (only to end up back on DonJosh anyway).

Still... something in my gut tells me racerman13 left his vote parked on hahonryuu so long BECAUSE he didn't actually think he'd get lynched.

Ugh, these VCAs prove absolutely nothing. Goddammit.

[whispersilk]

reck, why go through all that bother (thx btw) if you really believe hopp is scum? It's almost like you know he's going to flip town, and that is why you are doing all of this.

What's changed your mind about hoppscum?

[xRECKONERx]

Nothing has changed my mind about Hoppster-scum. I'm trying to do all of this IN CASE he isn't scum, so that you have the information ready for you to make the best decision about a vig shot.

After going through the vote counts, it actually makes me MORE confident Hoppster must be scum, because Maruchan/racerman13 don't make nearly as much sense. I just didn't include him in my analysis because if he's scum, it won't matter because gg, and if he's town, then he's clearly dead and not a suspect.

[whispersilk]

In all fairness tho, it makes no sense for you to be on the kondi wagon, which was pretty much a sure thing, only to to try and start a wagon on your buddy, then on hopp (who wasn't under any great suspicion) if you were scum. You'd just stay put and see another townie lynched.

Unless it was all a ruse.

[whispersilk]

If hopp is scum, I'm punching him in the face for making us do all this shit.

[whispersilk]

+1 townie point to hahon for good posting

[whispersilk]

Things are still the same.

Kondi's slot is still scum.

Reck is still scum.

I'm willing to give donjosh a post with opinions on every player alive.

If somehow one of them flips town, then hahon is a solid option for death.

Hoopster, maruchan, racerman and whispersilk are all town

, so people voting from them are either scum or idiots.

[whispersilk]

omg, I think Maru is scum.

[Hoppster]

omg, I think Maru is scum.

ohai pretty sure I've been saying this

[whispersilk]

Maru is scum because he knew kondi was going to flip town.