The Children of Húrin Mafia (GREAT REVIVAL)

[Will-o-wisp]

hey yal

vote mastermind of sin

nice random vote m8.

Have you not yet realized that he does that literally every single game?

Gandalf,

are you actually Gandalf in this game?

If you want to clarify, it's now.

My role PM says I'm gandalf. So I would assume so.

And yes, kanye, my wincon is not the same as town. I'm honestly not even sure if it conflicts with town though. once again, some flavor help would REALLY be appreciated.

I highly doubt that you would not be told or given a power that would aid you in completing your win condition. There has to be something that you aren't telling us.

At least your role confirms a mechanic of this game.

Vote: Gut

Purely a gut vote.

Why not an actual random vote?

Vote: Gandalf

Either scum, third party or anti-town.

Pretty obvious don't you think? I doubt that scum or anti-town would claim a role that is not directly town sided so early in the game. Besides, 3rd party players should be allowed to fulfill their wincondition so that they can leave the game without screwing up other aspects of scumhunting.

yeah im into a gandalf lynch unless he can in some way explain how his win condition is pro town. theres no reason to leave claimed third party alive.

holding off on the vote until he explains it better at least.

Ya. You go, Kanye.

You are playing horrible at this point.

Get yer votes off me I'm a magical princess.

PUT THEM WHERE THEY BELONG

Unvote, Vote: Gandalf

*sigh* Any reason other than his third party claim? Are you guys even looking into the possible scenarios for the claim? You seem to be sheeping Emp and Kanye.

yeah im into a gandalf lynch unless he can in some way explain how his win condition is pro town. theres no reason to leave claimed third party alive.

Once again, I don't know. Heck, maybe at the end of the book all of the bad guys die and Hurin and his children live happily ever after except for like one or two that I have to make sure die. Once again, I'm looking for the same info you are.

If your speculation is at least partially true I suspect one of Emp or Spyrex to be a part of that wincondition.

Gandalf, in that game you flipped

6. gandalf5166, Gwaihir the Eagle, Town Jailkeeper, Shot from Afar Night 1!

After getting vigged night one. What are you doing?

Yeah, in that one I was trying to breadcrumb.

I really don't know what I'm doing now. I could really use some help.

@Plum:

Were any of the roles in this game(aside from the seraphs) handpicked?

What does your win condition say, Gandalf.

It says I have to survive and make sure the timestream remains intact for my safe return. I'm paraphrasing, but the phrasing in my PM isn't any clearer.

You could at least help us help you. And it is fairly obvious that not all of the roles in this game were "randomly" chosen. You sound like an "Atlas" role that may be necessary to live in order to prevent other abilities or mechanics from coming into play.

Major FoS: Kanye

I have not yet had the chance to discuss the game with my other head, but I intensely dislike Kanye's play so far. Once we have had time to talk you can expect a vote.

pedit:

I never understood that. Why?

Because you are guranteed to NOT hit a town player. Why take the chance of hitting scum with a vig shot when you have a safe option?

Magister Ludi, I will answer that.

It depends on WHAT 3rd party. If it is a 3rd party that is similar to a benedict arnold, or turncoat, that can be recruited by scum, it definitely hurts scum

If it is cult? Null

If it is killer? Town

So... It depends

If Gandalf is a turncoat that can be recruited by scum, aren't they essentially a traitor and indirectly aligned with scum?

Cult would not claim something like this as all suspicion is now on him.

Killer? Maybe? If he was a jester?

I am liking Ludi's play this game. Feeling that he is town.

Kanye, what if Gandalf's wincon does actually affect town? What if a crumbled timestream prevents certain people from using abilities or brings back dead players?

pedit#69: this game is moving. way. too. fast. holy crap.
- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

lol oversoul.

No one likes me.

Gandalf, are you here? I want to ask you something that I want a quick answer to.

will-o-the-wisp don't you strawman me again
i am NOT saying he is ANY of those roles

What the hell? This is a hydra and I don't think I have ever played with you.

Gandalf, would you be able to tell what exactly the timeline is if you knew other names?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

I'm waiting for a "but your vote isn't on me", and I will tell you you need to fucking go find the wizard of oz

I... don't understand you at all.

Gandalf, are you told anything about the timestream?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

wow will for scum because of "Gandalf, would you be able to tell what exactly the timeline is if you knew other names?" dat rolefish/namefish

Gandalf ASKED FOR FLAVOR KNOWLEDGE. I didn't do it randomly.

How was that different from what other people asked about Gandalf's role? Why didn't you call them out on it? You are seriously confusing the shit out of me.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

What *were* you told then? Based on your role's level of bastardization that makes Gandalf's claim that much more believable.

Also, on the note of Seraph... why are there 2 people listed on the Looking On from Tholmiefoiesm? A Seraph for each faction? And where is Ooba?

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop:

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

i stand by lynching claimed third party. its possible there is scum on the gandalf wagon because it is the "town thing to do" but i think it is more likely that scum are on the sidelines waiting to try and lynch someone off of the gandalf wagon. claimed third party can be saved for a nonscum lynch down the road, and if they can convert an early push on the third party into a town lynch, all the better. im still into a gandalf lynch, but ill take a look and see if any of these people jumping onto wagons off of that wagon look scum to me.

spyrex's play does seem odd, but i dont think its scum play.

So you think your wagon is scum driven? I agree with you that scum, knowing Gandalf's play, would be initially hesitant to join his wagon, but once he started to dig his heels in they would have joined (kinda like what you did).

MoI, a random vote is that. Random. Peregrine did not randomly vote Gut, if he did, he wouldn't have made that horrible pun.

Right now I would like a Kanye or Peregrine lynch. I haven't been able to discuss this with my hydra partner as she is missing in action. I hope I didn't make her sad or depressed with my melancholy outlook on life, lol. With that being said, I will not be as active because of issues that have happened recently in my life. I am hoping Mist can pick up my slack when she returns.

I don't find Furc scummy as it wouldn't be good scum play to already exhibit undue paranoia over a minuscule amount of votes. It would only cause other people to take a closer look at his play.

LOL @ Andrius's innocence of the 't' word.

On another note, what is with the crumbing already? The game barely started and 3 people felt the need to crumb a role immediately. What is that? I am having a hard time finding the town motive of starting a game like that, especially when it is just as likely you have that role as a fakeclaim

glares at Spyrex

.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop: Ellie, are you always like that?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

To quote one of the Seraphs - "Mod Game is Broken - set-ups should have more than 1 player with a Town Wincon"

What does this mean?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop: Ellie, are you always like that?

- Oversoul

Continuing to use that spelling is grounds for me to shoot you.

Oh, I'm sorry, does that annoy you?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Future Mods, never allow gandalf5166 to join a LOTR themed game ever again.

MB

[Will-o-wisp]

VOTE: Kanye

My partner and I agree that Kanye is acting very scummily and we would like his lynch. Also, we suspect Katsuki and Empking for their interactions with Gandalf and the whole fakeclaiming/crumbing gambit that he pulled.

Personal Vendettas:
Katsuki
Ellie
Gandalf

*I* wouldn't mind if the vig shot from that group of people. All of them are very good shots in my opinion.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

It more likely be that I am wrong, since she feels that Katsuki and Empking are more likely scum. I don't like Kanye's post one bit and she agreed that they were scummy, but she didn't feel like he was scum for it.

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop:

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Will-o-wisp, what do you mean by personal vendettas?

Nothing related to this game, just vendetta that this head (Oversoul) has with 3 of players in this game. I promise you it isn't an aspect of this game, just me venting steam.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

So I might be getting a site wide ban...

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

So I might be getting a site wide ban...

- Oversoul

What for?

I was being a dick to another player.

- Oversoul

Not that it really matters for iso purposes. And yes I am being serious that I am likely going to be site banned unfortunately.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

So Oversoul is really asking for us to be vigged because we lynched him in another game. Vigs, if any of you make a shot based off that list I will find where you live and kill you in your sleep.

I already told them for personal reasons.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Dear god, I hope you get sitebanned.

[Will-o-wisp]

Dear god, I hope you get sitebanned.

Why?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Furcolow, was there any reason for re-quoting something that wasn't related to the game? Please contribute something aside from gandalf role fishing and pointless breadcrumbing, like your "vig me" post. You have a fifth of the posts in the game and for the most part, they are useless. Let's get back on track to our kanye wagon.

-MB

[Will-o-wisp]

Furcolow, what was I supposed to say about those posts?

Someone wishing I would get site banned? What do you want me to say to those posts? Be more immature and say fuck you?

My ebwop of posts are obviously not meant to be information posts. I don't understand the horrible logic especially with the two posts you quoted.

- Oversoul

I don't understand why everyone hates me and my play and I feel like I am holding Mist back especially with the amount of animosity against this half of the slot.

[Will-o-wisp]

You said you would

elaborate

on being vigged, and LOL @ passive aggressive sarcasm over the internet.(How's that working for you irl?) Honestly, stop being a smurf(I censored it for you, Plum) and send a PM personally if you feel the URGE to discuss this further with Oversoul. I do not see how this contributes to the game in any manner, and that we should move on. (ANYONE IN THIS GAME has the right to say that)

--

Anyone have reliable meta on kanye?

[Will-o-wisp]

I think I have a pretty good town meta on Kanye (and it doesn't feel like his play in this game). A good example is Sexy Sedilla in the New York forum.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

katsuki has many scumpoints, and I would be probably be down with a kats wagon.

I saw MoI make a constructive post, katsuki try to dismiss it with a pointless oneliner, then MoI unfortunately stopped posting seriously and came down to katsuki's level, and they weren't getting anywhere after that. MoI, don't dignify 366 with a response. Terrible scum tactic: trying to derail the thread with insults and hope kanye slips under the radar.

-MB

[Will-o-wisp]

Great post Jay.

Why is Katsuki still alive?

Why is Katsuki still alive?

Who knows?

I lol'd.

~MB

[Will-o-wisp]

Vitamin, I think you are in the minority here with saying that Katsuki is town especially after that rampage over a little bit of pressure from MoI. Why is Katsuki town to you?

Your iso is full of weird contradictions. You say that Kanye might not be a bad lynch, but when Mockingjaye votes Kanye you say that vote was incredibly opportunistic? Does that in your eyes mean that Mockingjaye is looking for an easy vote? Is he bussing Kanye? Is Kanye's scumminess in your eyes independent of Mockingjaye's scumminess?

Also, with regards to the Lord Chronos vote, you make the same move by stating the wagon is lazy, but you go on and vote Chronos anyway after his post uses a lot of words to say very little. Why?

@Willow- So my vote was bad because the pun was bad? Or do you think my random vote was not random because the pun was bad? Please explain the difference.

Usually random votes are used to add up quickly for a pressure wagon to usher the game from nonsensical movement to actual scumhunting, but you present a reason for voting randomly that can possibly be used as an excuse to retract your vote later. That was why I didn't like your initial vote.

I feel like you are town, but your actions are ... unusual. O_o

Ot: Furc, have you forgiven me?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

okay let's go
ketchup time

You're actually going to do something? I gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

okay let's go
ketchup time

You're actually going to do something? I gotta check myself before I wreck myself.

- Oversoul

It's ok
Me doing nothing will always be more obvtown than you doing something.

Hohohoho you cheeky bastard. It is rather unfortunate that scum people are blinded by their ignorance with accusations like this.

Would you look at that, two people prod dodging the crap out of Plum.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Wait, I'm attempting to appear like I'm reading the game? I demand evidence of this accusation!

look out the bg guy in town.

Wraith, why are we a good vig shot? Who have we been antagonizing? Also, what is your comment about Gandalf. I fail to see how that singular thing made him town to you when a few others said the same thing.

[Will-o-wisp]

bah

ebwop:

big and - Oversoul

- Oversoul (I fail at this signing post thing)

[Will-o-wisp]

almost doneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
finish line

Any insights into the game now that you have caught up, please?

Ludi probably town.
Andy probably town.
Andy maybe town.
gand probably town.

Espeo maybe town.
VitaminR probably town.

kanye bah.
Spyrex bah.
Chronopie bah.
Pere bah.

Emp maaaybe town.
Oversoul meeeh.

Wraith. Dunno.

Katsuki. I don't care.
Furcolow. I don't care.

Alright, I'm caught up now and established some reads as I read along.

Regarding the main wagons:
- I'm not ready to vote Katsuki's slot yet. He may be scum, but I tend to skim Katsuki's useless posts and it's easy to call him scum based on that.

- The LC-wagon seems only a bit better. I didn't like the timing his humungous catch-up post at a moment, when the gandalf-Andrius fiasco was dying down and people started looking elsewhere. However, I don't see the obvscumminess in him and it still looks like a lazy wagon.

- Why is there still a gandalf wagon? Unless gandalf is in cahoots with Andy I don't see how he could coordinate to match up his claim similarly to Andy's. And Andy has a very townie approach so far.

Tl, dr: I don't agree with any of the wagons that are up for voting. I don't like how PeregrineV has gotten no heat so far for his scummy posts. Same with WoW (

@Andy

, where do you get the town read on them?), Wraith, SaM, ChronoPie and Spyrex. Yap, a lot of lurker and few people on the main wagons, as I believe Kats and LC are easy wagons on "always-good-lynches" that don't need a necessary push from scum. Iffy on Kanye.

Vote: PeregrineV

WOW. Massively underwhelming post, Dekes. And Andrius + Gandalf could have had time to discuss their role as there was an unusually long pregame for this game. Unless Andrius and Gandalf wanted to go balls to the wall with a gambit (which in light of things, could have happened, but that chance would be slim), I doubt that they are faking.

Why are Esp and Vitamin listed as the way they are?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Why isn't KKB dead yet?

Spyrex is giving my partner and I bad vibes through his consistent flaunting of flavor over anything else and the fact that he supports Kanye. Scum would want to hunt third party as it would appear to be town to do so, why they both are so engaged in a Gandalf lynch is beyond me especially when it is quite clear that Gandalf will not be the lynch today.

MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Why isn't KKB dead yet?

Spyrex is giving my partner and I bad vibes through his consistent flaunting of flavor over anything else and the fact that he supports Kanye. Scum would want to hunt third party as it would appear to be town to do so, why they both are so engaged in a Gandalf lynch is beyond me especially when it is quite clear that Gandalf will not be the lynch today.

MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.

- Oversoul

you agree that lynching third party is pro-town and because of that it makes us scummy?

Kanye, that is a complete strawman/cherry pick attempt at what I said. I agree that lynching anything that does not have a town wincon is pro-town, but what I also believe is that scum will try to scumhunt if there are potentially other scumteams in the game. That is the best way to look town as tells and comments are not being faked or forced.

I think you are scum trying to scumhunt a third party in order to look town.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Andrius, how did we go from having a Townier than Turin status to being scum? The posts you quoted are ambivalent and your comments don't seem to point in any direction.

Mist and I have different reads, but we agree that Kanye is likely to be scum.

My top three scumpicks are

Kanye
VitaminR/Ellie
Feysal

I'll let Mist post her top scumpicks.

Why are we letting players who are doing nothing (Ellie and Espeonage) get away with very little participation? Also, I don't understand why Kanye is not trying to move a wagon on someone else yet other people are actively questioning the wagon (Spyrex).

Magna could have easily withheld that information. Instead he chose to post very helpful information that could lead to an explanation on your role (and by proxy, Gandalf's role) and give town a large amount of information. That is why we are confident in Magna town. Why do you even have problem with this if you are forming a voting bloc with him and Ludi?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

DEKES!!!!

Ok lets swing WoW.
Can we dig that, bloc?

Umm no?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Why aren't we lynching Kanye?

The speed with which a wagon on Peregrine formed and Kanye's dissolved makes me think a couple of possibilities. I haven't really been able to discuss with my partner as she has been MIA with schoolwork (come back Mist ), but I am not liking this Peregrine wagon at all.

1) Scum are white knighting Kanye and thus want to lynch a for a flip with less information acquisition
2) Scum are looking for a place to park their votes so that they do not appear scummy voting for Kanye or Feysal at the moment and thus Peregrine is a better option
3) Scum are pushing a lynch on Peregrine because Kanye is a potentially powerful scum role

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

What do you think of Pere, WoW?

So far, you've only attacked his random vote and that's it.

Why would speed wagoning Pere being considered a safe vote and appear less scummy than voting Feysal or Kanye at this point?

Unvote; Vote: PeregrineV

I don't really find Pere to be that scummy.

His random vote was not random, which I take issue with as scum could likely use that to retract a vote from a scumbuddy or a townie they want to white knight by saying it was mostly a joke vote or some other excuse.

Pere's play hasn't been bad, but it definitely has not been good. I know I am going to be called a hypocrite, but Pere seems to be playing the same way he played in Lemming Mafia and [redacted] (can I link this one since I am dead and he is dead even though it is on going?).

The most scummy thing he did is lackadasically join the Kanye wagon. Then again, so did a bunch of other people. I find Kanye legitimately scummy because he doesn't seem like the active townie he was in Semi-Open Sexy Sedilla and his whole I want Gandalf lynched thing (he could be a lyncher, but role guessing lol).

Speed wagoning Pere would seem less scummy because a lot of people are already doing it, so choosing which person who speed wagoned looks most scummy based on the fact of the speed wagon would be a hard feat to accomplish. It would be a safe vote because he is inactive and it seems to be the "viable alternative" to the other two wagons.

I am curious to see what will happen when someone is on one of the 3 major wagons and how that will play out as the wagons are already polarizing the town.

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop:

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Vote: Peregrine5

Can someone decipher what Will is saying for me?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

I love Tron. <3

Allow Mist and I access to town voting bloc and vote Kanye, please? More <3?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

When the hell is it ever a better idea to go after a lurker so close to deadline? You receive barely any information on their flip.

VOTE: Herodtus

Probably Cult, SK, Mafia, or a 3rd Party due to Plum having to delay the game in order to let Herodotus submit an action.

I haven't really talked to my partner in a while because she has been super busy, but I will poke her.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

WoW's entry to D2 and the follow-up is so ridiculous, it's really astonishing.

What? I made one post today how was there a follow up?

So we do we lynch Feysal? He is claimed serial killer right?

UNVOTE: And I'm not completely crazy for my Herodotus vote.

Magna, I can't remember if you clarified, but are all people "activated" at once or is it individually?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Oh that makes more sense.

I still want Kanye dead. Don't think that is going to happen especially after the ambivalent feelings that caused Peregrine to get lynched. :\

Feysal, no that is wrong. Day 1 lynches are useful for seeing connections to other players. I am fairly confident we would have gained more information from Kanye's lynch (has he even responded today...) than from Peregrine's lynch.

- Oversoul

pedit:

Ya. I would be fine with an Empking lynch.

[Will-o-wisp]

I am Gurthang,

self-aligned

, and I tried to kill Furcolow last night as he requested. I don't know why he survived.

?????

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Furcolow, do you have a self watch ability?

[Will-o-wisp]

No comment from this head about the criticism your slot is getting for your scummy "He's scum" start of Day post?

Not particularly, no. Should I respond to the criticism? It is mainly 2 people making actual comments about it and 2 people laughing at it. And I happen to agree with the people who are making comments about it. >_>

The only reason I did that is because I switched into BlazBlue and by default I had to ask for an extension and it looked like Plum just gave it to Herodotus.

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop:

- Oversoul (for my last 2 posts)

[Will-o-wisp]

So ya. Mist hasn't really been active. I'll remain as a hydra so she can hopefully come back but I am guessing applying to colleges got the best of her.

Reads tonight.

I have a massive amount of games to catch up in.

Ooba is oozing town in my opinion. Please continue.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Catching up right now. Post incoming on Friday. My bad guys.

We have a hydra. And thank goodness. I was starting to tread water in terms of site activity.

But ooba probably IS town for his posting in general today and his putting us on the townlist when there is no real reason to put us there.

Ooba is oozing town in my opinion. Please continue.

This always makes me shake my head. You both give ooba a Town read based on placing you an a Town list when you don’t deserve to be there? That’s a classic scum play from a stronger player … buddy up to lurkers / those under fire to win you over for later.

Not that I have a scum reads on ooba’s slot currently but the principle remains valid …

Please don't assume I said Ooba was town because he placed me on a town list. I can't think his other posts today are town? Odd that you zeroed in one that (for me at least). That being said, him placing us on his town list certainly didn't hurt my town read on him.

And any doubt about Magna not being town for his seraph explanation is ridiculous. Seriously. Move on.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

As a princess who hasn't been sleeping much and is frayed at the edges these pages are the worst pages.

This fight is as useful as a duck's echo.

Pick a direction and move.

They could maybe pick a direction and move if you know, people like you weren't actively lurking.

I am here, Magna. No need to get activity nazi on my ass.

I will comment on the MoS v MoI thing in a moment.

[Will-o-wisp]

Game relevant?

Of course?

In what way? The only possible ways I could think of this being relevant are post notifications, which would be incredibly counterproductive as a game would surely clog up an email, PM notifications in which case you are having the mod PM Kanye to return, or QT notifications in which case posting in the PM would clog up Kanye's email.

One of these things is not like the other... the ambivalence surrounding your slot is also odd.

Fos: Gut

Going to iso you tonight.

EBWOP: Ooba's last post gave me good vibes, minus the bit about Kanye needing to be lynched. I'm glad I'm not the only sane person in this game.

Thanks. I agree that Ooba is likely town.

@MoI: Right now my top three suspects are Kanye, VitR, and SpyreX, in that order.

Agree with this post. Basically my reads lol.

I am here, Magna. No need to get activity nazi on my ass.

Actually I think I do. Because I'd be willing to wager over the last 10 pagers or so the precentage of posts outside of a group of about 5 posters is about 25-33% ...

This game has stagnated in a frustrating way.

Trying doing this with a hydra partner who has flaked. Mist, please come back. I miss talking about the game away from prying eyes.

I have concluded that MoS and MoI are both likely town.

Also, the Seraph revelation wasn't the only reason that I said MoI was town, but it damn near could be the only reason MoI is town in my opinion.

[Will-o-wisp]

ebwop: VOTE: Kanye

[Will-o-wisp]

They could maybe pick a direction and move if you know, people like you weren't actively lurking.

Time to take off the princess gloves for a moment and take whatever punishment that may bring.

Good. Please let them

remain

off.

You know, between the just bringing a child home, having about 10 hours of sleep in the last week and pulling double shifts to maintain

I've still contributed more than over half the players in this game

.

I am sorry I don't know your life? I will give you that as I didn't realize how busy you are, but your posts have always been like active lurking in my opinion. Congratulations on the baby, though.

Compare that to our team wonderbread hyrdas you and S&M who aren't even drooling on the keyboard and just are awol - it must just be one of those amazing coincidences caused by a butterfly farting in Mexico that LITERALLY MINUTES after getting called out for not posting for three days LO AND BEHOLD there you are. Almost like you've been here the whole time, huh?

I have been here the whole time. I read this thread every day but I am really apathetic about a lot of it. There rarely ever seems to be anything to talk about, as MoI said, since 5 people are being the only active players in this game. Whenever something as bad as Day 1 and Night 1 occurs, I generally lose interest in a game. Losing a townie to a lynch for seemingly no explainable reason is disheartening. Combine that with the fact that our Doctor died, ya. Reminds me of my one and only newbie I played. Which was horrible.

This last back and forth with MoI and MoS is a lottttt of unnecessary words and its so much cleaner when MoI, WHO IS TOWN AND LITERALLY THE ONLY PERSON ACTUALLY PLAYING RIGHT NOW, just skips the fighting and gets right to the point like above.

Agreed. I don't understand the question of MoI's towniness either, but to each his own I guess.

My vote staying on Dekes isn't a function of actively lurking and if you were going to use your eyeballs to parse the pretty lines on the screen into a format that makes sense you'd see it for exactly what it is - me saying that when the chips are down KKB is going to be lynched and I WILL help that happen but its not my first choice by a longshot.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it wrong. That to me is actively lurking. You pledge your allegiance to a lynch if it gets there, but you remain safe with a vote on someone else who is scummy incase they are lynched as well. You openly state this so that other people will not have a question when you do infact vote for Kanye later in the day. Actively lurking, to me at least, does not mean lurking and just avoiding prods, it is posting like a normal person, but not really contributing anything to the game. Your roleplaying is distracting. You have been asked countless times, nicely, to stop. When you get accused of something and you get angry, that is when you feel the need to stop roleplaying?

These above paragraphs now eclipse your play this entire game. Additionally I love the callout about me when, lo and behold, you're not even voting.

Lo and behold, I voted.

THIS RIGHT HERE is why Feysal needs to live. These things need to get purged with holy fire and fast.

But, for those playing at home:

MoI is town. Sadly, he is the only player at this point I am that confident about being town. And if somehow I'm wrong there GG because at this point he has my support until the dark times are over.

Andirus and Gandalf? Death.
Every hydra in this game but Gut (I think)? Death.
Dekes? Death.
Everyone on that list that can't even make a token effort in three days? Death.

MoI, I will give my opinions but at this juncture I am literally handing my vote over to you to do with as you see fit. Of the games I'm in I will freely admit this one is taking a back burner and that is in no small part to the issues you are bringing up now.

So, lets do it and now I'll go take my turn in the stockades.

Ohhh look at that P-Edit. Look at my absence of caring.

Damn.

[Will-o-wisp]

So salty, Spyrex. I'll respond more to you later (tomorrow probably), but I don't think it will help. If you're hellbent on getting me lynched so be it.

[Will-o-wisp]

Was it because of the tone or the inherent ass hole behavior I am adopting?

[Will-o-wisp]

Why isn't KKB dead yet?

Spyrex is giving my partner and I bad vibes through his consistent flaunting of flavor over anything else and the fact that he supports Kanye. Scum would want to hunt third party as it would appear to be town to do so, why they both are so engaged in a Gandalf lynch is beyond me especially when it is quite clear that Gandalf will not be the lynch today.

MoI's Seraph post just shot him up to basically confirmed town in both of your eyes. Also, his post confirms that Andrius and Gandalf are likely telling the truth as not everything about their role is clear which makes a lynch on Gandalf even more unlikely and forced.

- Oversoul

Andrius, how did we go from having a Townier than Turin status to being scum? The posts you quoted are ambivalent and your comments don't seem to point in any direction.

Mist and I have different reads, but we agree that Kanye is likely to be scum.

My top three scumpicks are

Kanye
VitaminR/Ellie
Feysal

I'll let Mist post her top scumpicks.

Why are we letting players who are doing nothing (Ellie and Espeonage) get away with very little participation? Also, I don't understand why Kanye is not trying to move a wagon on someone else yet other people are actively questioning the wagon (Spyrex).

Magna could have easily withheld that information. Instead he chose to post very helpful information that could lead to an explanation on your role (and by proxy, Gandalf's role) and give town a large amount of information. That is why we are confident in Magna town. Why do you even have problem with this if you are forming a voting bloc with him and Ludi?

- Oversoul

My iso says otherwise about the sheeping, MoI. I named those suspicions before Wraith named them. If anything, he is sheeping my reads.

What would be a resposne that is town, MoI? Waiting to be prodded?

Everything that I have said are my actual feelings. You can look at my newbie game for meta for proof that I do give less attention to a game that I feel has been hampered through the early loss of a role. I know you like to use meta as an argument so I don't see why you wouldn't want to look at the game.

I could self meta up and down all day but I don't think it will change your opinions.
Once I get home later this afternoon I will respond to Spyrex's post. I'll end the asshole behavior, I just don't see why Spryex is getting angry over hypocrisy in a game.

- Oversoul

FFS

[Will-o-wisp]

[Will-o-wisp]

Finally caught up.

[Will-o-wisp]

Based on the way different (somewhat scummy) players were posting in Day 1, I almost felt that kanye and feysal were on opposite scum teams. Getting the lynches going was like pulling hair. You saw the peregrineV wagon. If you asked some of the wagonners in person (no prep time/sheeping thoughts of the smart scum poster who came up with something slightly plausible) they'd have no real response. For the most part, I'll be keeping the bulk of my reads/notes to myself and my partner, for a few reasons, but mainly because I hate walls.

I'm sorry, but with my current workload/illness, 44 pages of content is a LOT and I'm struggling. I've been chipping a little bit each day.

I signed up as a hydra because I didn't have time...

I somewhat agree with Amrun on this. 50 pages of catching up with confusing bastardry (not Plums fault at all, the way people are just popping in and explaining different, conflicting, highly confusing things), it took me much longer to catch up than I'd anticipated. Many walls, but yes. Good luck, hope you make it sometime. Be warned, between the time I started and finished, 200 posts were added =P

I didn't really feel like multiquoting many posts, but this post somewhat defines EmpKing's play.

And that means more than the people that made it a wagon and weren't trying to save themseves, why?

This is a good town question.

Well you voted for him, quickly joining the wagon. WHY? Empking hasn't posted much comments, rather questions to other players or other pointless one liner comments. iso him, it's pretty bad imo. Why start the quicklynch for a Hydra at the beginning of the day? Nothing substantial from you, I see. Especially votes. We're lucky to receive more than 10 words before the bolded vote. After Feysal's weak vote, you IMMEDIATELY sheeped, and I found the above post of yours highly hypocritical. MoI has alraedy given you a wrist slap in Day 1 for this behavior.

And that means more than the people that made it a wagon and weren't trying to save themseves, why?

Not necessarily, it's just who I want lynched first. If you remember this post:

Let's take a look at who is on the Peregrine wagon:

Dekes

,

Feysal

, Empking, SpyreX,

Gut

,

kanyeknowsbest

, Magister Ludi,

VitaminR

,

Furcolow

, Andrius

Lurkers or Semi-Lurkers

Obvscum

Idiots

This is who I think the scum are (for the moment). Wait, I'm going to modify this a little

Dekes

,

Feysal

,

Empking

,

SpyreX

,

Gut

,

kanyeknowsbest

,

Magister Ludi

,

VitaminR

,

Furcolow

,

Andrius

Town

Lurkers or Semi-Lurkers

Possible Scum

Obvscum

Idiots

This is an excellent post, worth quoting. I'd even set aside/quoted the previous post before seeing this.

Quick update ... AGM claims his awesome powers are about to be shown. He claims it doesn't involve me.

Waits with baited breath ...

More later ...

Anything to add on this?

I guess I'm posting my thoughts on posters based on the quote. MoI was the most pro-town player for me when he first presented his information, but the way you've been changing your votes quickly not on the best of information and doing this repeatedly has not been too helpful.

MoS, what is your read on MoI?

Use of terms like "busted" make me think you think he is scum, but your previous post does not.

-Amrun

posts like this make me sad. questions != activity. Where is CSL? I'm starting to buy the argument for Sun and Moon scum.

In no particular order, players that seem scummy to me are:
Dekes, feysal,

furcolow

, gut, s/m, kanye, empking, ellibereth, probably forgot who else.

mockingjaye is awesome. ooba is awesome, much better than ludi who I felt was slightly scummy.

If you want me to elaborate on someone, but haven't posted something substantial in the last 300 posts (like if empking or S/M) then no.

kanye should have gotten rope long long long ago. I'm suspecting a particularly powerful scum role because he's been so quiet and has been letting others defend him or deflect attention to other mislynch choices. Ask yourself, can you recall some instance of scumhunting from kanye that you felt helped the town that you didn't consider yourself? When he flips scum, we'll have a mountain of associative tells. Some more stuff: voting patterns. no reason to even skim his posts. While he has more than 5 posts (pretty much always) he sheeps other sheep and tries to support other wagons. I just isod him and it took about 2 minutes. There is very little content, and if there's content, it's more like "yo bro, I agree with you, cool thoughts, LOLVOTECHANGE" Scum, I'd recommend bussing him, it will grant you serious town cred.

vote: Kanye knows best

pedit post should be right above this, don't rage at me for not providing the name for the quote

However, it pays to remember that

there was necessarily town

on the PeregrineV wagon, probably the majority of

it. I would venture a guess that

many of those townies felt dissatisfied with the wagons on me and kanye, they may have genuinely believed PeregrineV to be more likely to be scum, or they were simply tired of the long day

unvote: vote KanyeKnowsBest

I'd like to see him at L-1 by tomorrow.

~Mist Beauty

pedit: ooba, that picture is supposed to mean that I'm really happy to have caught up and taken notes/have a good idea of what's going on.

[Will-o-wisp]

that picture above was meant to say "LOL, what is this, I don't even." I'll stop with images because I guess they can be interpreted in many different ways. last macro, my most serious important image. Also, I know this is children of hurin mafia, but I couldn't get a result for "turin laughing boisterously" on images.google.com



scum be warned, our hydra is back in action, and active.

[Will-o-wisp]

Quick note, Kanye is at L-2, Elli hopped off the wagon with no real comment either. Town Seraph, hand out the vig powers to an obv town player so that we don't have 8+ scummy players and one lynch each day phase =[

~MB

For iso purposes.

[Will-o-wisp]

ooba is awesome, much better than ludi who I felt was slightly scummy.

you thought ludi was scummy, the first person to vote me d1, the one leading the charge? the one trying his hardest to rope up someone you were convinced is scum?

thats awfully odd!

Find minor point. Sip tea cup with class. Say "something's off." Powerful scum tactic early/mid day, but won't be stopping votes when you're at L-2. You don't post like this in your other games. Are your partners in a different timezone and sleeping?

To answer your point about ludi, I said SLIGHTLY scummy. There is a difference. I wouldn't say that vote hopping rapidly early on in the day falls under "leading the charge." Ludi defended feysal quietly but repeatedly without reason. His final vote ended up on the terrible peregrineV wagon without any reason. I think that you should try a little harder.

[Will-o-wisp]

Unvote

I'm doing a "What if kanye is town" re-read and don't want him lynched prematurely ..

Will your kanye vote be coming in tomorrow?

Also, "prematurely." It's slightly late for prematurely, as the day phase is quickly coming to an end. If you haven't done so already, vote Kanye.

All posts in the past 2 hours have been from this head.

~Mist Beauty

[Will-o-wisp]

Have day off tomorrow.

Changed my mind on kanye due to last couple of pages.

Unvote. Vote: Espeonage

Just sheep me on this lynch.

Can't believe I forgot about Espeonage. >_> You are lurking that much, dude.

I like our vote on Kanye and I if I am going to sheep you I want to hear from Espeonage first.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

I thought both Seraphs could give latent powers? Or is it only Mina/Faraday can activate and AGM/Thor deactivate?

And can you explain that list thing about powers? I am having trouble following it? Scum know what powers are in the game? Or just the Scum Seraph?

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

guys, kanye is a big boy. He can defend himself.

But seriously, let's get more votes on kanye. MoS, VitaminR, summarize the case against our hydra in your own words. Your Wraith vote is pretty weak imo.

[Will-o-wisp]

mockingjaye provides good analysis on spyrex's posting rather than "yep, wow = scum, LOL 1 sentence."

Look at that second paragraph? VitaminR wagon? Somewhat scummy, but come on... The moment kanye hits L-2 elli, ooba quickly retract their votes (elli without reason, ooba on one wagon he begs us to sheep, then hops onto vitaminR)

MoI, Wraith is not the lynch today, it's kanye. Your opinions have been heard, and are worth considering, but you're wasting a pro-town vote which can help seal the deal on the kanye wagon.

Gandalf, explain this to me

This game is boring. Kanye needs to die.

no one will buy "sorry bros, forgot to change my vote" tomorrow. In case you forgot your vote wasn't on kanye, please put it on him now.

VitaminR, you're also "wasting" your vote. Please put it on kanye.

MoI, explain how that is a logical fallacy. You've targeted MoI, wraith, and mockingjaye.

ooba, explain why you've marked kanye as town. WHAT HAS HE DONE THAT MAKES HIM TOWN? Feysal/Furcolow are town over mockingjaye, and MoI? Srsly?

If you have suspicions on another player and are the only player voting for them, we've heard what you have to say. Put your vote on kanye, sift through an avalanche of associative tells once he flips scum vigdoctorgodfatherroleblockerbomb, and feel free to expand on your current lynch choices when we have more time.

confirm vote: Kayne

(L-4)

[Will-o-wisp]

A relative recently died... this game won't have my full attention. Letting everyone know.

My other head should hopefully be active though

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

I just love it when a scummy player gives someone else townpoints.

~MB

[Will-o-wisp]

Ya. There is a guilty on Empking? O_o I didn't see it and clearly Mist didn't see it. People need to bold important ass things like that.

VOTE: Sun and Moon

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

MoI being kicked out of the QT by AGM the claimed scum Seraph also confirms that MoI is town as if his roleclaim wasn't enough.

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

What if there is a governor...

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Clusterfuck of a damn game.

UNVOTE:

Discussing this with Mist in the Hydra QT

- Oversoul

[Will-o-wisp]

Discussing with my other head before I throw down a vote. Skimmed last few pages, but Wraith wasn't a good townkill choice, to whoever said it. I agree that preservation of MoI is more important, but I'm slightly confused about this dayphase, need to catch up a bit.

~MB

[Will-o-wisp]

Alert,

We are not lynching Sun and Moon today.

It crossed my mind that Magna could be some sort of lyncher rolecop whose target is Sun and Moon, which make sense considering Sun and Moon is, in fact, Turin.

Magna has claimed he is a dying cop, which initially makes me hesitate, and the fact he claimed with a name as well, which is very unusual, is suspicious.

That crossed my mind as well. I don't want to lynch Sun and Moon because 1) we would be losing a vig, 2) we could potentially be playing into Feysal's wincondition and 3) Magna could be a lyncher.

I don't want to role speculate... and I do that often. :\ Lynching Empking could be beneficial, but it allows free reign on Feysal for a night, potentially harming town more, as well as most likely killing Magna. At this point I think we are damned if we do, damned if we don't. If Magna is a lyncher, I would rather share a win with him as town then lose to Mafia.

Sorry I have been incredibly inactive in this game as of late. Hopefully my partner kept you all content.

Ludi, I know this has been asked repeatedly, but are you alignment confirmed? And welcome back.

[Will-o-wisp]

Might want to check your math on that graph

yo

VOTE: Empking

[Will-o-wisp]

How can you kill that which is already dead?

[Will-o-wisp]

I don't think your tunnel is large enough.

I've already slept in the court of the gods. It will take more than an apothecary's delusional poison and mute prayers to fulfill your desire.

[Will-o-wisp]

I'm guessing that we both have college apps. Finished my stuff for Nov 1st deadline, so expect more content from this head.

~MB

[Will-o-wisp]

I'm very curious at the players who are unvoting a proven NEIGHBORIZOR when it isn't alignment indicative at all. If Espeonage / Smarg were scummy enough to lynch via play it makes no sense to just abandon ship based on what is effectively a VT claim.

I'll have a full catch-up later.

My latent has been deactivated. Again, no word from the MOD on what that may or may not entail.

You don't need mod confirmation. Were you originally a Suicidal Cop? Yes or No. As in when you first got your role, were you a Suicidal Cop?

Why are you so worried about the Smarg wagon when you've been calling for Sun and Moon votes *all* day?

[Will-o-wisp]

Why didn't you say that earlier? From that post it looked like you were advocating the Smarg lynch, I misinterpreted your post.

If you don't have your latent ability, any passives and actives associated with it should not affect you any longer so you technically should be in the clear.