Post Apocalyptic Mafia - Mini 1226: Over!

[Wraith]

So are we fo-sho massclaiming or no?

[Magua]

Oh, Regfan wants a massclaim.

How

un

expected.

Do you want to flash lynch him today?

I noticed many of your points against Wraith were on the scummy side, but you never actually outright called him scummy. So I was curious. If we're going to lynch today, I'd much rather lynch you than him, so I'm not even sure where you'd get that I'm looking to flash lynch him.

Who else do you think is scum?

[Wraith]

Hmmm...

I did some ISO reading on several different players and found some interesting things.

@Magua: Your predecessor had a strong townread on Gaoth but never really explained why. You replaced in and kept that townread on Gaoth and have never really explained it. Can you elaborate on awhy you believe Gaoth is town?

@xvart: Why do you think everyone believes you to be scum?

@Magua AND xvart: Both of you have held strong scumreads on Regfan for just about your entire time playing, yet neither of you have ever voted him. Can you elaborate as to why that is?

@Nico: Are you ever going to come back and be productive? Your ISO is pretty much alternating between "Guys I'm V/LA" and "I think the most popular wagon is scum. Vote: Most Popular Wagon"

[Wraith]

I want these questions answered, maybe I'll discuss those answers if required, and then I'd like to No Lynch.

[Magua]

@Magua: Your predecessor had a strong townread on Gaoth but never really explained why. You replaced in and kept that townread on Gaoth and have never really explained it. Can you elaborate on awhy you believe Gaoth is town?

Sarcastic answer: His role PM.

Nonsarcastic answer: No.

@Magua AND xvart: Both of you have held strong scumreads on Regfan for just about your entire time playing, yet neither of you have ever voted him. Can you elaborate as to why that is?

The mod told me I only have one vote. I complained bitterly about this, but Slaxx refuses to budge.

Counterquestions: Do *you* think xvart is scum? Do *you* think Gaoth is town?

[Wraith]

I'm going to keep my reads to myself for the rest of the day. Hopefully it'll reduce the WIFOM from the nightkill.

[Magua]

I'm going to keep my reads to myself for the rest of the day. Hopefully it'll reduce the WIFOM from the nightkill.

Why are your reads more important than anyone else's?

Should everyone else keep their reads to themselves?

If so, why are you not pushing people to?

[Wraith]

I'm going to keep my reads to myself for the rest of the day. Hopefully it'll reduce the WIFOM from the nightkill.

Why are your reads more important than anyone else's?

Should everyone else keep their reads to themselves?

If so, why are you not pushing people to?

Because I'm going to live through this night. It's logical for the scum to keep me alive, and if they decide to call me on this and kill me anyways then that's their loss. So what I'm going to do for the rest of this day is attempt to reduce the amount of WIFOM I have to chug through tomorrow during LyLo.

[Magua]

Because I'm going to live through this night. It's logical for the scum to keep me alive, and if they decide to call me on this and kill me anyways then that's their loss. So what I'm going to do for the rest of this day is attempt to reduce the amount of WIFOM I have to chug through tomorrow during LyLo.

So, for you, good town play is not telling anyone who you think the scum are?

[Wraith]

Because I'm going to live through this night. It's logical for the scum to keep me alive, and if they decide to call me on this and kill me anyways then that's their loss. So what I'm going to do for the rest of this day is attempt to reduce the amount of WIFOM I have to chug through tomorrow during LyLo.

So, for you, good town play is not telling anyone who you think the scum are?

I'll tell people tomorrow. For now:

Vote: No Lynch

[Magua]

I'll tell people tomorrow. For now:

Vote: No Lynch

Do you think xvart should claim today?

Do you think you should claim today?

[Wraith]

Nope, massclaim should be tomorrow.

[xvart]

Xvart, you weren't the only one interested in the Palis answers to the questions nor were you the only person who directed questions towards him. If he was continuously avoiding responding to your questions how would that want you to speed-lynch his guilty

rather than draw out the day and potentially lynch Palisaide instead

, it makes no logical sense whatsoever and I've read through a few of your previous games to see that you're not derp-illogical town.

Yes, it also makes no logical sense for you to be trying to argue my scumminess based on not lynching Palisade. All day yesterday I was advocating for the Palisade lynch. ALL DAY. Everyone said "no no no no, we need to test his claim." What happens? We get a "guilty" result on someone and now I'm catching shit because we lynched the guilty result instead of now discussing lynching Palisade? Why in the world would you have actually even considered lynching Palisade when you said yesterday we needed to test the claim, meaning you wanted to see if he got a guilty?

And yes, I admit I was hasty in hammering but I wasn't expecting what happened because they both were scum together in my opinion. The thread was being derailed with LOLnonsense posting and I couldn't stand it and watch the wagon fall apart. I didn't consider that Palisade might be a third party lyncher and I fully anticipated AV flipping scum. You said you've read some of my games. From your meta sample do you think that I, as scum, would full court press a claimed cop?

And I'm not ready to start claiming but I do want to know why we are mass claiming because you said so and your thought process in determining that that is the best course of action. Especially if you are the one "that is dying tonight"?

I noticed many of your points against Wraith were on the scummy side, but you never actually outright called him scummy. So I was curious. If we're going to lynch today, I'd much rather lynch you than him, so I'm not even sure where you'd get that I'm looking to flash lynch him.

Who else do you think is scum?

I had a neutral read of him most of the last two days, or at least insignificant enough compared to Palisade and AV. His post today have been pretty scummy and I think he is likely scum but I still need to go back and see some interactions the previous two days. I was fishing a response from you because while I don't find very pointed questions to a very specific set of people scummy necessarily, there can be subtle manipulation and I was seeing if that is what you were doing. Silently weighing out possible wagons without committing.

@xvart: Why do you think everyone believes you to be scum?

Where did I say I thought everyone believed me to be scum? Regardless, I don't know if you recall or not but there was a decent wagon on me yesterday...

@Magua AND xvart: Both of you have held strong scumreads on Regfan for just about your entire time playing, yet neither of you have ever voted him. Can you elaborate as to why that is?

You're putting a lot of words into mouths in this post. Where was my scum read on Regfan "strong"? My very vocal scum reads up until start of day were Palisade and AV; and a lesser degree Fate by association to Palisade. What's your point? You look like you're throwing a big net and hoping to catch at least one fish, especially with your "eliminating WIFOM" motivations.

[diddin]

Yeah Wraith needs to die today.

I have an ability left, want me to claim it? And yes, I'm an Inventor. There will be RAGE directed towards Fate once this game is over.

[Gaoth]

Speaking of questions, Wraith, why haven't you answered mine? And another one, why should we mass claim tomorrow and not today?

[Wraith]

Speaking of questions, Wraith, why haven't you answered mine? And another one, why should we mass claim tomorrow and not today?

Because you don't want the answers to those questions. You just want me to give wrong ones.

It's pretty obvious that everyone here wants me dead, for one reason or the other. So either lynch me or no lynch because I've pretty gotten everything I wanted out of this day.

[Magua]

Wraith, in all seriousness: If everyone wants you dead today, why do you imagine that anything will be different tomorrow?

That is, if you're a PR, claiming that today means that the mafia might kill you, which means you wouldn't get lynched tomorrow. Yes?

[xvart]

I have an ability left, want me to claim it? And yes, I'm an Inventor. There will be RAGE directed towards Fate once this game is over.

Oh, so your invention aren't like "Put wrench and lugnut together and give to Fate" but "give 2 shot protection to Regfan"?

[diddin]

I'm described as a "Chemist." I started with three potions: a track which I gave to Fate, the Doc powers I gave to Regfan, and one more potion.

[Slaxx]

I was in class all day, I will get a vote count up next page. Sorry about that.

[xvart]

How did Fate know you sent it to him but Regfan did not?

[diddin]

I crumbed that I sent Fate a gift during D2.

[Regfan]

This no lynch discussion needs to end now, there's no chance this is mylo at all, Slaxx isn't a bastard mod like that. Further, lynching today means that mafia become forced to shoot towards me because the risk of me saving tonight would leads towards a potential extra mslynch. Mass-claiming is needed, we'll learn more than enough from that and should be able to get 2-3 clears at minimum.

@ Gaoth and Magua -

I need your full reads list with reasoning attached and I don't care if you're lazy Mag.

@ Xvart -

You're misrepping what I said massively, I never had any intenton of instant sheeping any guilty that Palisaide had to 'test his claim' but rather have them live until D2 so we have something to work of. Not everyone was saying "No, no, no!" to having Palisaide lynched at all, I was considering it and Fate was pushing for it meaning it was entirely plausible and possible to lynch him had the day drawn out longer.

[xvart]

I crumbed that I sent Fate a gift during D2.

I found it. That is good enough for me.

@ Xvart -

You're misrepping what I said massively, I never had any intenton of instant sheeping any guilty that Palisaide had to 'test his claim' but rather have them live until D2 so we have something to work of. Not everyone was saying "No, no, no!" to having Palisaide lynched at all, I was considering it and Fate was pushing for it meaning it was entirely plausible and possible to lynch him had the day drawn out longer.

I don't think I'm misrepping you at all. By not considering lynching him D1 with the guise of testing his claim you are essentially saying "give us some results and then we'll consider if he is scum or not." If he had returned a innocent result would you have lynched him? The only possibility that anyone who said the day before "let's test his claim tomorrow" would consider is him returning a guilty verdict. If Palisade returned an innocent result you would have to operate under the same premise as the day before because nothing has changed with any level of significance to the game state. Why, after all the pomp and circumstance yesterday, would you be considering him scummy for returning a scum result?

This no lynch discussion needs to end now, there's no chance this is mylo at all, Slaxx isn't a bastard mod like that. Further, lynching today means that mafia become forced to shoot towards me because the risk of me saving tonight would leads towards a potential extra mslynch. Mass-claiming is needed, we'll learn more than enough from that and should be able to get 2-3 clears at minimum.

How do we yield 2-3 cleared townies out of mass claiming? And what about if the scum have a RBer? And what if a ton of other things that only help scum plan night actions when we think we aren't in threat of an immediate loss with a mislynch today?

[Slaxx]

poop lol