Mini 1247- Auction Mafia: Abandoned

[sorgster]

/confirm

[sorgster]

Okay, so scum is VoidedMafia, town is hiplop.

~Discuss~

DeathRowKitty is scum? That isn't good, not good at all.

[sorgster]

hiplop right? The only other game I played with him was a newbie game when he was scum and helped mislynch me day 2.

[sorgster]

Everyone got the same amount of starting points? So who is bidding against me for the night kill?

[sorgster]

My night one target talked right now. That's not a good thing

[sorgster]

This isn't looking good for me but I doubt he'll target me.

[sorgster]

Who took my bulletproof? I think bulletproof shouldn't be claimed but the rest should.

Vote Magua

for being the first to vote.

[sorgster]

I don't think protect should be claimed either.

Unvote Magua
Vote DeathRowkitty

His first post was strange.

[sorgster]

Busdriver should not be claimed as ppl would predict what a person would do. Kills claiming would give the scum more information about who has less points and who to keep alive.

[sorgster]

Bus drive should be claimed and then NOT USED.

Bus drive claim means that

we

can direct the NK and lynch them if they deviate.

That ''we'' sounds like scum trying to decide who directs gets killed.

[sorgster]

Scum have a nk. With the busdriver's knowledge, they can easily direct the kill without many worries.

[sorgster]

A 1 shot vig wouldn't normally claim d1 either, also investigations should only claim scum reads unless a town read they found is about to be lynched. If pV bought 100% investigate and he find s emp town and emp isnt in danger of being lynched all he does by claiming is tell scum how many points he spent. Scum already know who town is and town can only wifiom in regards to the claim as pV may be scum trying to save his scum buddy. I understand your line of thinkinf I just disagree as your plan would layout what sxum need to do each night

Pedit how do you know they have a nk? Mod would not confirm thst earlier. VOTE: sorgster

In every game I've played in scum have a nk. Why should it be different here?

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@mega I dont understand what your saying in your last point. So im so stupid im scum?

No. You are consciously doing anti-town things.

I believe you to be scum

, but even if you are not, the town is better off without you.

Attention: Mego is scum. That is all.

vote: Mego

Reasons are awesome.

So you would waste a lynch killing town, because you are annoyed at

said town

? Doesnt seem like very pro-town thinking too me.

Unvote
Vote UncleDaphne

I've played in another game with you and this just yells scum to me for some reason.

[sorgster]

because it wasn't day phase at that time deathrow

[sorgster]

I meant at that time you did your first post.

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The reason daphne may have bid so much might have been because he thought we was going to get lynched day one or next survive the next phase. I bid about 12 for the 100% for that reason. However, daphne's other posts have been strange compared to my meta on him in what was his very first game.

[sorgster]

Someone bid on the doc

Current bids:

Investigate 100%: 6 points
Protect: 5 points
50% investigate: 4 points.

Phase ends in (expired on 2011-09-27 09:47:00)

Scum+Doc=Disaster of the third degree

Why was he asking for the protect to be bid on? I doubt scum would use points on something like that.

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that is impossible. You can only have one transfer item bought during the auction phase. Did you mean you were the one who bid on doctor?

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I don't care is Daphne is scum or not. Hurry up and get him lynched please. His last few comments have been outrageous.

[sorgster]

LYNCH HIM. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

[sorgster]

Please be advised, my laptop broke today, I have ordered a new one but it will not be here for 2 to 3 days. You will be without votecounts from me during this time. I alologize for any inconvenience this might cause anyone.

Mod is inactive for a few days. We can't get rid of him.

[sorgster]

Vote DeathRow

He seems to be the one who attacked empking the most.

[sorgster]

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

[sorgster]

Before you guys lynch me, as getting roleblocked and one attack means they're scum ignoring stuff about doctor/protect/bulletproof/etc. Give me a few minutes to state my last reads on certain players.

[sorgster]

Protect, bulletproof, lying magua(whoops guys, made a mistake after lynch), no nk, and both could have targeted the same guy or bus drive could have been used on me and someone else.

[sorgster]

I forgot about the reads, will do them soon. Bus drive may be most likely I think. They could have either changed bulletproof with target, protected person with target,etc.

[sorgster]

Not going to say much reasons or elaborate for these reads then:

Town
magua, no scum would say surescum on a town so quickly
ss17-gets investigate, confirmed bv as town, post 65 makes him seem like trying to act town however
bv-confirmed by ss but ss and/or bv could still be scum.
lurconis-found something that could be a scumslip in #176
peregrine-gut to me mostly I guess
Null
Hiplop-played 2 games with him before, both finished, he was vt and scum in them,getting null read on him still
voided-#341 says he forgot to shoot(scum forgetting to use ability, maybe that's why there was only 1 nk),leaning scum towards him
klazam-posted very very little
Scum
Greyice-replaced Daphne,quickbandwagoning of deathrow seems scummy
shanba-never voted yet, tried to keep prices low in first auction phase(scum trying to keep items for themselves potentially),#39 seems scummy to me

[sorgster]

Not going to say

many

reasons or elaborate for these reads then:

Town
magua, no scum would say surescum on a town so quickly
ss17-gets investigate, confirmed bv as town, post 65 makes him seem like trying to act town however
bv-confirmed by ss but ss and/or bv could still be scum.
lurconis-found something that could be a scumslip in #176
peregrine-gut to me mostly I guess
Null
Hiplop-played 2 games with him before, both finished, he was vt and scum in them,getting null read on him still
voided-#341 says he forgot to shoot(scum forgetting to use ability, maybe that's why there was only 1 nk),leaning scum towards him
klazam-posted very very little
Scum
Greyice-replaced Daphne,quickbandwagoning of deathrow seems scummy
shanba-never voted yet, tried to keep prices low in first auction phase(scum trying to keep items for themselves potentially),#39 seems scummy to me

You're really committed to getting yourself lynched eh? If you're Town, then this is literally the most a

nti-Town thing you could have posted. Not giving reasons

means that we don't get to look at those tomorrow or any subsequent day.

If you look, there is a REASON for every SINGLE ONE. Read the whole thing first. I said I'm not going to give MANY reasons not no reasons.

[sorgster]

I feel like I am missing something obvious here can someone please explain how his being roleblocked implies he is scum?

According to most people here scum have a nightkill(NOT A FACT) and since I was roleblocked, it must have been me. Everyone completely forget about Bus driver,protect,bulletproof,etc.

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How does sorgster being roleblocked mean he is scum?

Counterquestion: Who do you think is scum?

Elaboration: It's not 100%-slam-dunk-mod-confirmed-cop-has-a-guilty-on-him scum, but it's pretty close. It is mod confirmed that sorgster got roleblocked, and it is mod confirmed that the bus driver was not involved.

So here's how it works:
- You buy an ability, such as Roleblocker, during the Auction phase.
- Someone gets

lynched

modkilled for not understanding basic site rules
- In the Bargain phase, you strike up a conversation with them via PM and offer to trade your ability (Roleblocker, in this case) to them with the caveat that they must target a specific person (in this case, sorgster).
- ???
- Mod confirmed profit.

So yesterday I did this with Peregrine: I traded my Roleblocker, with the caveat that it must target sorgster, for his Bus Driver, with the caveat that it must target (two people who will not be specified at this time). Both of these happenings are mod-confirmed to both myself and Peregrine.

So, jumping back to sorgster:
- It could've been mafia shot whoever had bulletproof or whoever was Doctor'ed. This is certainly a possibility.
- I don't really see it as likely that mafia don't have a Night-kill. If, in fact, they don't have a Night-kill, then that means that uncledaphne has to be mafia, and it means that we should be able to quickly wrap this game up by forcing people to claim their bids tomorrow, so I'm willing to let this one slide. (

Side note: sorgster was 100% sure that "The mafia have an NK" yesterday.

)

Finally, sorgster's just been all around scummy. Voting me for being the first to vote when this game should have no RVS, voting daphne for essentially playstyle reasons.

VOTE: sorgster

Whoever used the

100% Investigation

yesterday should claim it.
I'd really like whoever has the Night-kill, the Roleblocker, and the Bus Driver to claim.
Protection/Investigation/Bulletproof winners should stay quiet.

That changed before the day ended because I was told there was a chance that the scum didn't have it.
I'm claiming the 100% investigation.

[sorgster]

Did we ever know who bought the 100% nightkill day 1?

Sorgster is pretty scummy even regardless of the roleblocking. The roleblocking makes it distinctly more likely that he's scum overall, too. His

vote on the uncledaphne wagon was awful

, his first comment today is

abysmal

too. He also participated in the ridiculous bidding war on the nightkill. He's probably scum.

May I ask why it was awful?

That's all I wanted to know.

sorgster is mafia then. He was roleblocked last Night.

1. There are more than one scum. More than any one of them could have done the killing action.
2. Scum may need to be able to buy the powerups to use the actions.
3.Scum could have targeted empking as well.
4.Scum could have attacked whoever bought bulletproof.
5.Who was protected by the protect action? They could have been a target.

the abysmal first comment is right here. What am I expected to do otherwise when a roleblock brings a case against me.

[sorgster]

who did you investigate sorg?

I bought it auction phase two. It can't be used until night phase.

[sorgster]

How does sorgster being roleblocked mean he is scum?

So yesterday I did this with Peregrine: I traded my Roleblocker, with the caveat that it must target sorgster, for his Bus Driver, with the caveat that it must target (two people who will not be specified at this time). Both of these happenings are mod-confirmed to both myself and Peregrine.

There is every possibility of that bv. @Magua, was there anything else in this deal or was this the complete deal?

[sorgster]

The complete deal was "I trade Roleblocker to Peregrine, under the condition he uses it on sorgster. In return, he trades Bus Driver to me, under the condition I use it on X and Y."

Soda, if you don't suspect sorgster, who do you suspect?

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

[sorgster]

He's not going to say who he drove, yknow, and I'm not entirely sure he should at this point.

Soda: Why DRK?

Shouldn't the town completely know exactly what happened during the last night phase? It would give more information at the very least.

[sorgster]

Alright, my 50% investigate actually worked!

bv is town

guys. Unless if he's like

godfather

or some shit.

1.Why are people voting bv after these results?
2.Why does godfather come up into your head sodaspirit? It is a small game, I doubt there would be a godfather.

[sorgster]

GreyIce says I get another phase because I get investigate. You say scum can buy items if to not let town have it then decide not to vote me and agree with greyice to give me another phase. There is a huge connection.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:If I was scum, how useful would the investigation results be?

[sorgster]

who were x and y? Can you please say that?

I see zero reason to say that at this time.

With the roleblocker unclaimed, it's safe to assume it's in scum hands. In order to prevent "guys, I was roleblocked!" tomorrow, Sorgster should trade the 100% investigation to someone in the bargain phase. I'm ok with

not lynching him today

if he agrees with this.

If someone claims the roleblocker, then Sorgster should give the 100% Investigation to bv310.

Peregrine and Lurconis both just don't seem to even be bothering to play, which is really throwing me off. I can understand being suspicious of bv310, but to FoS him/vote him the page after someone outs an inno report on him, without mentioning the report at all, is just...yeah.

I see many. 1. One of those could have been the target and could have been either protected/bulletproof.etc.
I refuse to agree to giving away my investigate. The chance of giving is to scum is possible. You can validate my answers after I hang next day phase.
I dislike how you seem to be assuming bv is conftown. There is a possibility of a godfather and a lying soda. The lying soda is more possible as soda seems very suspicious at the moment.

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@Peregrine:

OK I GET IT I'M BLIND. HAPPY?

No, seriously. With the roleblocker and bus driver claimed, I want sorgster to agree to trade the 100% Investigate to bv310.

I see many. 1. One of those could have been the target and could have been either protected/bulletproof.etc.

If there was doctor/busdriver interaction, then it means mafia shot the person who the doctor protected (since both the kill and the protect would get bus-driven). Similarly, the only way bulletproof protected was if the mafia shot the person who had bulletproof. In both of these cases, it does not matter one whit if there was a bus-drive or not -- a protect only occurs if the mafia shoots the person who is protected.

I refuse to agree to giving away my investigate. The chance of giving is to scum is possible. You can validate my answers after I hang next day phase.
I dislike how you seem to be assuming bv is conftown. There is a possibility of a godfather and a lying soda. The lying soda is more possible as soda seems very suspicious at the moment.

1. Voided claimed the innocent on bv310, not Soda.
2. The chance of bv310 being godfather is much, much, *much* lower than the chance that you are simply mafia. bv310 being non-godfather mafia only works if both bv310 and Voidedmafia are mafia.
3. bv310, even with his lurkeriffic ways and me wanting to lynch him D1, is more trusted by me (and, I'll wager, the town at large) than you at this point.

If you make the trade with bv310, you can specify in the agreement who you want him to investigate. Making him investigate *you* should be an absolutely splendid idea if you're town.

1.It was soda(#339)
2.I found it funny soda thought of godfather, buddies maybe?
3, If soda is scum, bv is very likely to be scum. I don't want to give my items to scum. Also, if I was scum, wouldn't I prefer giving investigate or letting a scumbuddy claim the investigate instead and let them use it on me?

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1.It was soda(#339)2.I found it funny soda thought of godfather, buddies maybe?3, If soda is scum, bv is very likely to be scum. I don't want to give my items to scum. Also, if I was scum, wouldn't I prefer giving investigate or letting a scumbuddy claim the investigate instead and let them use it on me?

Scum have every incentive not to give an investigation away, because then they can't lie about the results. Can't fake a guilty on a town, can't fake an inno on a buddy.

You're super suspicious of soda and bv being scum which is improbable at best. So force bv310 to investigate you with the bargain -- this is mod confirmed to work.

Either bv310 says you're inno tomorrow, in which case, you don't get lynched (this should be good for you), or bv310 says you're guilty, you get lynched, and then (if you flip town) bv310 gets lynched, and if he doesn't flip godfather, Soda gets lynched.

You not wanting to trade the investigation, and specifically you not wanting to be investigated, seriously reads as you simply being scum.

I'll do what I wish with the items I purchase. If soda is scum, then it is very likely bv is scum. I don't feel like giving items away to scum. I have an idea in my head about who I want to investigate(refuse to say who) and am planning to do so this night phase.

[sorgster]

No good, Sorg.

You can trade it to anyone with the condition that they investigate who you want to investigate.

Vote: Sorgester

I'll happily accept death next day phase. I just have a suspicion on someone who I wish to confirm. I really wish to use the investigate then. If I give my investigate away with that condition, then I eat the bullet tonight. If not, I might find scum and eat the bullet in the day phase. I prefer the day phase death.

[sorgster]

I'll happily accept death next day phase. I just have a suspicion on someone who I wish to confirm. I really wish to use the investigate then. If I give my investigate away with that condition, then I eat the bullet tonight. If not, I might find scum and eat the bullet in the day phase. I prefer the day phase death.

WHAT IS THIS I DON'T EVEN

You think you might eat a bullet if you *don't* have the investigation, but you're unconcerned about eating the bullet if you *do* have the investigation?

Just die.

eh why is soda clear? I've been pretty damn ill last few days and am kind of out of it!

sorg seems like townsorg to me, sort of. Check out newbie 1137 or Neruzian era mafia for townsorg...

Don't believe Soda-scum would offer up the innocent on bv310-town when I was gunning for his blood yesterday. I can see Soda-scum offering up an innocent on bv310-scum, but that ties them together so hard if one falls that the other is guaranteed to get lynched, so I'm willing to ignore it for now.

Suppose scum see me agreeing to do that deal you guys proposed, they think it would be easiest for me to die and waste the investigation on me by someone else. If I do have the investigation, I die in the next day phase and can reveal and potential results which is better. I'm dead either way, I prefer getting a useful investigation result compared to a useless one on me or none.
Also if I agreed to give it to someone and scum killed them, scum could easily start saying I gave it, and killed them to avoid being caught and am scum which is what scum would do if I gave it to bv or anyone else unless they are actually scum.

[sorgster]

Third time sheeping hiplop.

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eh why is soda clear? I've been pretty damn ill last few days and am kind of out of it!

sorg seems like townsorg to me, sort of. Check out newbie 1137 or Neruzian era mafia for townsorg...

VOTE: sorg

Not sure if i trust my ill mind, and magua is a good guy so um sup

What changed in between these three posts?

[sorgster]

Leftover City

VoidedMafia (someone I definitely need to put more thought into; from his posts, my gut feeling is scum, but the whole forgetting about his 25% shot would make him much more likely town if true...then again, I don't really see why town would forget about it either, but...yeah, just leave him as null)

So voided forgot to use his nk. Could this be a reason why there was only one nk? Also couldn't it be possible scum have a 50% or whatever nk?

[sorgster]

Fair enough but I still don't understand why me being roleblocked and refusing to give away investigate to possible scum, as he could be godfather or the investigator could be scum, would make me scum.

[sorgster]

we learn a lot from your death, like we learn if they have a factional night kill etc

Nope. You have a guess or that. there is bulletproof, bus driver,same target,protect,etc. There is a very good chance of a mistake happening. Plus an investigation result gives information as well. More useful after I get confirmed town Day 3. Also, does it matter if I die day 2 compared to day 3 with an investigation result?

[sorgster]

You traded the investigation away to someone who is town, with the condition they investigate who you want.

And who is town? how do I know 100% they are town? If soda is scum, then bv could be scum. If bv is godfather, then the investigation on him by soda would have been bad. What if they are scumbuddies and the guy tells me the wrong result? Also, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the town if I die next day phase?

[sorgster]

This is simple.

Sorgster says he's unwililng to trust bv310 because bv310 and Sodaspirit may be mafia together, or bv310 might be a godfather.
Sorgster has a scum suspect who he refuses to name, but has no fear that this scum suspect might be a

godfathe

r.

Sorgster is afraid that if he trades his investigation to someone else, he'll be killed.
Sorgster is *not* afraid that he'll be killed if he doesn't trade his investigation.

Sorgster is afraid that if he trades the investigation to someone else, that person will get rolebocked.
Sorgster is *not* afraid that he'll be roleblocked if he doesn't trade his investigation.

Sorgster is scum. He bought the investigation hoping for town cred, but absolutely does not want the town to actually get use from it, and is now just trying to lunge at any opportunity that keeps that from happening.

1.If I name that scum suspect(who has been flying a bit under the radar) and that person is scum, then I die night 1. Also the chance of soda being scum are great and that's the primary concern. It was strange for godfather to come up
2.If I trade it to someone else with the condition they use it on me(no other reason for this) and post who, the scum(if they have a nk) will happily target the person. Also, you can say the person I decided to give it too was actually my scumbuddy and that investigation would have been useless. Why would they target me when I'm a sure death unless the actual person I wish to target(and say here) is scum?
3.I never said I'm afraid of being roleblocked. I said I'm afraid scum will kill them.

[sorgster]

You traded the investigation away to someone who is town, with the condition they investigate who you want.

And who is town? how do I know 100% they are town? If soda is scum, then bv could be scum. If bv is godfather, then the investigation on him by soda would have been bad. What if they are scumbuddies and the guy tells me the wrong result? Also, wouldn't it be more beneficial to the town if I die next day phase?

It would be more beneficial for the investigation to go through.

Suggestion that you may be happy with and town might actually get a result from this investigation. Sorg buys Bus Driver from Peregrine with the deal including Sorg driving actions from Sorg to whoever the two of you agree is likly scum. That way you live through the night no matter what if you claim you were roleblocked and flip town we know Peregrine is scum, if you claim a scum or town read on someone we lynch you and either have a confirmed townie or scum for tomorrow or you flip scum we have useless WIFOM reads.

Sure. I agree to this.

[sorgster]

I guess I'll have to go back on lucronis's deal then. I'm dead if I don't give away this investigation right?

@Magua, I'll give you my investigation during bargain phase under the condition that you investage person y, will say who y is later in pm during bargain phase and that you must post your investigation results here as soon as Day 3 starts.

[sorgster]

EBWOP:Do you accept to those conditions magua?

[sorgster]

vote hiplop

I've played 2 games with hiim before. He was scum in now and town in the other. He's playing like scum hiplop currently. So much for person Y.

[sorgster]

one not now*

[sorgster]

@Sorgster- should you flip town, who should we look at to be scum?

The people who were voting and wished to waste an investigation.

[sorgster]

@Shanba

I guess I'll have to go back on lucronis's deal then. I'm dead if I don't give away this investigation right?

@Magua, I'll give you my investigation during bargain phase under the condition that you investage person y, will say who y is later in pm during bargain phase and that you must post your investigation results here as soon as Day 3 starts.

@SS17, why is your vote coming right after I agreed to give away my investigation under these conditions? I tried to make sure to avoid any and all loopholes.

[sorgster]

DRK hasn't posted in 5 days .

[sorgster]

sheeping for the 4th time hiplop.

[sorgster]

Vote Soda

[sorgster]

sheeping for the 4th time hiplop.

Nevermind that he has a good reason to vote Soda?

Vote: Soda

[sorgster]

WHO IS THE BACKUP MOD?

[sorgster]

Someone could have more than one reason for voting someone.

[sorgster]

Regardless of how strange the timing is , can you answer peregrine's question?

[sorgster]

and the answer is?

[sorgster]

What's the question? I've been completely confused.

[sorgster]

Going to say the answer is no and peregrine was the originator of those questions.

[sorgster]

Those are statements not questions. I have no idea what the answrr to who was protected by the protect action is.

[sorgster]

I don't know.

[sorgster]

Auction Mafia

6) All abilities are

only

usable for the night phase they are purchased for, unless otherwise stated.

@5)No one claimed the protect or how bus drive was used so my defence stays the same.

[sorgster]

I'm saying that the bulletproof person probably would not know if they were targeted because of this.

[sorgster]

I asked them to. No one has offered to say who they protected etc last phase. Pretty sure someone said those roles shouldn't claim here.

[sorgster]

@All, I sent the mod a pm a few days ago and he has not responded or looked at it. Is there a backup mod or will this game be dead/semi-dead?

[sorgster]

Is he the backup?

[sorgster]

I'm going to consider this game over. Doesn't seem to be going /heading anywhere. I wonder who the scumteam was.

[sorgster]

I'm town with 14 points remaining. Spent 6 on an investigate to investigate person Y. y=voidedmafia. He played well in some newbie game as scum and only got caught after game got broken. wouldn't have been caught otherwise.

[sorgster]

I was vanilla townie

[sorgster]

damn nice job magua. i was town. AND I KNEW IT DRK WAS SCUM.

I did too from the very first post. I wondered what happened to you, you seemed to have dissapeared soda.