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False. The surface of Venus is actually much hotter then the surface of Mercury, because of the greenhouse effect.Drummer wrote:They say that Mercury is the hottest planet in our solar system. Is that true or false? Just wondering.
(cue "The More You Know" music)I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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No, but saying "good job, doc" is one of Jeep's classic scum tells, for the people who believe in such things.stikey wrote:
I didn't say "WTG, protection role! Now, why don't you tell us all who you are? C'mon, it'll make you feel ahelp im a bug wrote:Does this post not scream scum to anyone else? I mean, if nothing else, congratulating the protection role like that...lotbetter to get that off your chest!"I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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(shakes head)Sentinel99 wrote:It's cool, town, vote me. I'm no scum, but I am expendable.
Why do people say stuff like that?
I didn't really think the argumetn against you was that strong, but why would you suddenly claim to have a weak role and call yourself "expendable" like that? It's just not good for the town when people do that.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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At this point, I'm more then willing to follow a "role-based hunch" from a confirmed good guy, until I have a reason not to.vote:audacesiuvat
Help I'm A Bug: It's completly up to you, but at this point, you are unfortunatly likely to die tonight, as you're a confirmed innocent and all; if you have any role-based info that you think would help the town, it might be a good idea to share it before the end of the day.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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At this point, BrizzyBoi, it's probably best if you hold any innocent results until the doctor is dead, unless that person is about to get lynched. So long as the doctor is alive, you can assume you'll probably survive, and can reveal the results at a better time later.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Actually, I've seen that "postman" ability, or variants of it, on both scum and pro-town roles.audacesiuvat wrote: I doubt it, my impression of my role is that my message is just forwarded to the player through the mod with no editorializing. Anybody who is receiving my phone calls would have to take my word that I am innocent. But how often do scum get to send messages to non-scum players during night?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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(shrug) Well, if the only reason you want to lynch audacesiuvat is because you don't believe his "three-shot mason claim" considering it didn't seem to work last night for whatever reason, I wonder if the logical thing to do might be to wait another night and see if he can confirm his ability tonight or not.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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bluesoul wrote:Unvote
If he was RBd, we should give him another night to prove himself.Bluesoul wrote:Vote audacesiuvat [/b]
What???
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If audacesivat was roleblocked, then all we have to do is wait a night and he can prove his role tonight. As you said. I don't see any reason to lynch him now. So why would suddenly contradict yourself and change your mind without giving a reason just as the bandwagon speeds towards a lynch?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yeah, Broomhead is pretty clearly wrong here.
Still, at the moment, the most suspicious thing I've seen is the way Bluesoul has been jumping back and forth on the audacesiuvat issue all day, contradicting himself at least once, so I think I'll keep my vote there for the moment.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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broomhead wrote:fine, i can see that everyone else wants the results held as well. touche.
Basically,I've seen more then one of these minis get won by the town simply because of a cofirmed cop and two or three other confirmed innocents, all revealed at once, at a point when they together form enough of a pro-town voting block so that the town can not lose. So, I generally think it's best to hold back innocent results so long as is practical. There are exceptions, but I don't see how this is one of them right now.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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The problem is, no one has much to go on at this point. The only two possible scum tells we're discussing at this point are you jumping on and off the bandwagon, and broomhead suggesting a plan of action that seems to be not good for the town. In my opinion, those are both somewhat weak tells, but no one has come up with anything better, and there has not been all that much discussion yet this game considering it's day 2.bluesoul wrote:
Keep on following opinion, there. You and Yosarian should get a room. (Not inferring that this is any of Yosarian's doing, but you've pretty much been mindlessly agreeing with him.)Sentinel99 wrote:Also, when we were still looking at aud as the lynch, blue flat contradicted himself, which I didn't like. I think Yos said something about it, come to think.
If you want to avoid being lynched, the best suggestion I have for you is to try to generate some more content, perhaps try find a better lynch target for today.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Honestly, I'm not all that happy with my vote. Bluesoul did looked a little scummy, but I wish I had something better to go on; at the moment, though, his self-contradiction is the only thing I've seen that really looks like a scum tell to me.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Eh...it's hard to tell, but it dosn't seem like much of a scum tell to me. His suggestion that the cop reveal innocent results would not be good for the town, in my opinion; but based on his posts, it seems just as likely that he simply either didn't understand or didn't agree with the stratigic reasons why it's sometimes better for cops to hold their innocent investigations. Intentionally suggesting a clearly bad stratagy is a fairly risky play for scum, and in this case any pay-off for the scum wouldn't happen until tommorow at best, and possibly not even then. If anything, if a scum wanted to trick a cop into revealing innocent investigations in a situation where the cop probably shouldn't do that, I would expect the scum to try that when the cop was already holding back an innocent investigation or two, not to spend so much time arguing about it in a situation where it's pretty much hypothetical.VisMaior wrote:I like my vote. Yosarian, Broomheads antitown-ideas dont look like scumtell to you?
That's not to say Broomhead is not scum, of course. I think he didn't fully understand the implications of what he was suggesting, but that's not evidence he's town. I just don't think I have any good reason to believe he's any more likely to be scum then any other random person.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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So, why isn't everyone posting more???Drummer wrote:Hmm...three posts today...
NOT ENOUGH!!!
Deadline--Tuesday the 23rd of May.
This deadline may be withdrawn if people choose to talk. The person who has the most votes on Tuesday when I get around to checking this thread will be lynched. In the case of a tie, there will be no lynch. Hurry it up.
fos:everyone who's not posting more right now. Only scum would want a deadline.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Dosn't matter. If you agree with me that a deadline at this point is bad for the town, then everyone who wants to help the town win should be posting much and often to avoid a deadline. Anyone who is not, therefore, is suspicious.VisMaior wrote:Because there is nothing to post about?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You've just told the scum to kill you, without giving the town anything useful. Great. This kind of "you DON'T want me to claim" post always looks really scummy to me, and I'm now considering switching my vote over to you.broomhead wrote:well i am afriad that, you've left me no choice but to claim, thus saving you from lynching the wrong person in the day but i will envitable die tonight. i will be watching for everyone who logs onto this site but does not unvote me. there is the chance that i am lying, but i will not be counter claimed.
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By the way, Broomhead, you didn't answer my other question.
You said that if you claimed, you'd inevitably die tonight, but that seems to not agree with your eventual claim. Why would you think that you would die tonight if you claimed vig?Yosarian2 wrote:...why would scum "inevitably" kill a vig? I wouldn't consider that a high-priority target, personally.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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But of course if aud is lying, he could have just planned to claim that he sent the note to whomever died last night.VisMaior wrote:Actually, I believe aud. I expected Brizboi to be alive today too, so if he is real, Briz was a logical choice, OTOH if he is scum Briz is highly illogical, as a protection would have been expeted.
Still, his story does make good sense. (shrug) Dosn't really convince me he's town or convince me he's scum.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Huh?VisMaior wrote:
But that would imply that he is a badguy different from the mafia. I only see 1 NK. He could be some sort of cult tough, but then why not just recruit someone who would have supported his claim?But of course if aud is lying, he could have just planned to claim that he sent the note to whomever died last night.
Why would it imply anything of the sort?
I was just saying that if (for some reason) he was scum who claimed to have an ability he didn't actually have, the logical thing to do would be to say "Oh, I tried to send the message to X last night, it's a shame he died." I don't think that's the most likely possibility, though, as it'd be an odd fake claim for a scum to make.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Yeah, that makes sense. Well, I honestly never really disbieleved his ability anyway, because that's be a pretty irratioanl claim to make if you didn't think you'd be able to back it up. The ability could be scum or town, either is possible and I've seen both, but I see no specific reason to suspect him at the monent.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I'll ignore the fact that you voted for me with basically no logic behind it for the moment; because this statement is just bizzare and seems even more noteworthy at the moment. First of all, why are you speculating on the identity of the doc right now? That seems terribly anti-town to me; that line seems specifically designed to try and get a reaction out of the doctor (because if the doctor is not bluesoul, and he takes your statement at face value, he'd attack bluesoul right now) and/or to get either a "I'm the doc" or "I'm not the doc" statement out of Bluesoul. Secondly, where you do get that strange "either/or" statement from in the first place? Why would you assume that bluesoul is either the doc or is mafia?Scalebane wrote: bluesoul
-Bluesoul, unfortunately, is either the doc or he is mafia.
More generally, what I get out of your post is this:
A. The only thing we know is the HIAB is a confirmed innocent.
B. Therefore, the 2/3 of Der Hammer, visMaior, or Yosarian is mafia and Bluesoul is the doc.
Um, care to explain some of the "logic" you used to get from point A to point B?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Are you going to explain how you came to any of those odd conclusions?Scalebane wrote: If I have, in fact, outed the doctor then it was out of rustiness and studpidity (from not having played a game in awhile) as opposed to scumminess.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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By the way, Bluesoul, there's no need for you to claim doc or not doc at this time. I wish Scaleband hadn't said that he thought you were the doc; I wouldn't have pressed him for more information on the subject if I had thought he had role-based information behind it (I thought he was just scum spinning BS to try and fish for a doctor). If you know your ability was not randomized last night and that Scalebane is lying, go ahead and claim that, but otherwise, we don't need to know your role at this time, I think.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Alright, time for my standard:
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Der Hammer: Yeah, he made a "I'm still here, been busy" post, but that's all he said all day. Needs to say more.
armlx: posted when he first replaced in, but has not posted for a week.
Sentinel99: His last post was "is anyone still in?, 10 days ago" His last post with any content was june 6, 12 days ago.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Um...huh? Bluesoul is not currently slated for a lynch. And he only had 2 votes when he said that he "wasn't going to claim. Not now, anyway." Do you really think he's suspicious for not claiming when he had 2 votes on him?armlx wrote:Sorry, IRL'ed.
Given bluesoul's last statement, I'm inclinced toVote Bluesoul. There is no situation where a claim doesn't help the town when the individual in question is slated for a lynch.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I've only seen unlynchable (or immune to one lynch) a few times, and all of those times, they've been a townie. An unlynchable role could be scum, but that seems like it could be unblanaced; if there were three people left, and one was a scum who would survive the first lynch, the town can't possible win.Sentinel99 wrote:I got no message. Also, how does being unlynchable make somebody auto townie? What kinds of roles are normally unlynchable? Also, maybe it was only a one time thing or something. I think that we should give it another shot and see what happens.
About the whole der hammer thing, it sounds like there's a role redirector messing with stuff. Der hammer got the note and Sentinal didn't, and there's no logical reason for either of them to lie about it. Role redirectors can either be town or scum (a scum role re-directers is sometimes called a witch).I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Actually, I see what you're saying, narrowing it down at this point is probably a good idea.
People who have had their role confirmed:
Bluesoul: confirmed as a unlynchable. Probable good guy.
Scalebane: Role randomiser, confirmed. Often, but not always, a good guy role.
audacesiuvat: Message sender, confirmed. Often, but not always, a good guy role.
Armlx (replacing help I'm a bug):confirmed innocent, multiple ways, including by cop investigation.
Sentinel99: Claimed mason, "farmer's wife". The breadcrumb was pretty convincing to me, and I believe his claim.
Now, the non-confirmed people, and the notes I have on them:
VisMaior: Voted for Broomhead, audacesiuvat, bluesoul, armlx, der hammer, and me.
Der Hammer: Lurked for a while, until called out on it. Bad voting record, pushed the broomhead and bluesoul lynches. Got the message last night, but of course that proves nothing; I'm sure audacesiuvat can send messages to scum as well as to good guys.
And me, of course. (didn't take notes on myself )
I think Der hammer is probably scum. I was suspicious of him yesterday. As for the third scum, it's probably either Vis or one of the two people with confirmed roles but not confirmed alignments (scalebane or audacesiuvat).
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But he didn't know that. When Hammer claimed, he had every reason to assume that aud had sent the message to him, putting him in a position where he would eventually have to either confirm aud's claim, or lie about getting the message and probably get lynched eventually when the lie was found out (perhaps after aud's death). Claiming early costs him nothing, and made him look more pro-town. So, at the point he claimed, claiming he got the message would be the logical thing for anyone to do, scum or town. It proves nothing.Sentinel99 wrote:I don't think Der Hammer is scum. He wouldn't have claimed aud's message if he were, IMO. I wouldn't if I were scum. Think about it, aud claims to have messaged me, and I wouldn't have gotten anything, which would make aud the play for the day.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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You were voting for both of them. The fact that you joined both bad bandwagons (Assuming bluesoul is town, which I think he is) is a point against you. But yeah, I never claimed to have solid proof against you; it's simple process of elimination at this point. If there are 3 scum, then through process of elimination the odds are high that you one of them, so I am voting for you.Der Hammer wrote:I have no problem claiming but this "evidence" from Yosarian is pretty awful. I have not pushed for any lynchs.
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Anyway, out of the few posts you have made, Der Hammer, three of them were attacking Broomhead; you voted for him twice, and had another short post saying you didn't believe his claim. How can you say you were not pushing for his lynch?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Hmm. That does drop the odds a bit of der hammer being scum.
Still, the only people who are not at least mostly confirmed at this point are vismajor, der hammer, me, and Scalebane. (Scalebane's role is confirmed, but it might be a BG role. The same is true of Aud, but he's very unlikely to be scum based on the way his role has played out, IMHO).
There are probably 2 scum left, and we have 3 lynches left. If I need to, I will claim, and when I do that should rule me out as possible scum which should ensure a town win (3 possible scum, 3 lynches left= town win). I'd rather wait until tommorow to claim, but if I have to claim today, I will, and the town should win unless something unexpected goes wrong (or unless people lynch me without giving me a chance to claim).I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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To be clear, if we get hit with a deadline, I'll throw a vote on whichever of the three people I consider possible scum (der hammer, Vismaior, or Scalebane) looks closest to a lynch. We should win here, so long as we don't do something silly like fail to lynch one day.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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I should point out, for the sake of being thorough, that you are the 5th person who's not totally 100% confirmed pro-town; your ability is confirmed, but your alighnment is not.audacesiuvat wrote:I think it's pretty well accepted that we can reduce our potential scum candidates to four, those being Der Hammer, Scalebane, VisMaior, and Yosarian.
There is enough other evidence that I think it is unlikely you're scum, however.
About Der Hammer's claim...it's interesting, but there's no real proof of it. There was another time there was a tie, and one of the two names was in red, and if der hammer is telling the truth about having "no powers as of last night" he can't have been involved in this one.
I'm not sure exactally how the mod picks which name is in red, though.Drummer wrote:OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT
Yosarian--1(VisMaior)
Scalebane--2(audacesiuvat, bluesoul)
Der Hammer--2(Yosarian2, Scalebane)
Eight alive, five to lynch.
mod:in the event of a tie, either at deadline or during a votecount, how do you pick which name is highlighted in red?I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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The thing that's really throwing me off is that you're defending der hammer in a really convincing way, and I can't imagine any possible way you could both be town. If he's town, I can't see how you could be anything but scum, unless there's something unlikely like audacesiuvat being scum, which I really doubt.Scalebane wrote:All I'm asking is for you guys to be willing to eat crow when I turn up innocent and exactly what I claimed.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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And if two people are tied at 3, how do you decide who is highlighted in red/lynched at deadline? Is it the person who reached 3 votes first?Drummer wrote:OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT
Yosarian--1(VisMaior)
Scalebane--3(audacesiuvat, bluesoul, Der Hammer)
Der Hammer--3(Yosarian2, Scalebane, armlx)
Eight alive, five to lynch.
Sorry for the mistake earlier. The red vote is the person who will be lynched at deadline. It's simply the person with the most votes. Thanks for assistance, all.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Well, I'd like to hear why he decided to use his power night one. Mostly right now, I'm waiting to see if the mod will clarify when he uses the red type and when he dosn't, as that's the only thing that's even close to evidence on Der Hammer's side.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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Interesting. So Der hammer is probably actually a vote manipulater, then.
So, the question I'm trying to figure out now is, which role seems more unlikely to be a scum role...bluesoul the unlynchable, or der hammer the vote manipulater?
Hmm...I'm not sure. I'm tempted to just think that whichever one of the two of them is scum, vismajor must be his partner and therefore should be the lynch today, but I'm going to think about this before I place any votes today.I want us to win just for Yos' inevitable rant alone. -CrashTextDummie-
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