Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Zindaras]

Something about that post rubs me the wrong way. It's a little too dismissive and relies on lost discussion.

Let's try and refrain from too much referencing of what we did pre crash, especially now that so much time has passed. I don't seem to recall placing a vote on Jules, but I can't really rule it out.

If this scenario did play out as Zindaras remembers, it would be nice if Jules could "re-explain" his vote.

Well, to be honest, with the second crash, I want a re-explanation as well, because my memory of what happened pre-crash has completely failed by now.

I do not consider Jules scummy, but a re-explanation would be useful for later.

[Jules]

I'm back

Ok, my vote for Nai...

The evidence I had gathered and had posted was lost in the first crash. I had gathered enough evidence to come to my own conclusions that Nai looked the scummiest out of what we had seen so far. I don't expect others to follow me in voting because I don't have any reasons I can show you, but just now we are lacking in anything concrete to go on. Thats as deep as my explanation goes I'm afraid

The response from others has been interesting though...

[Norinel]

Vote Count:

lunalovegood- 2 (HackerHuck, Zindaras)
Nai- 2 (Coron, Jules)
Coron- 1 (Nai)
GreenLiquid- 1 (Stewie)
conflux- 1 (Nightfall)
Jules- 1 (conflux)

Not voting (2): GreenLiquid, perfect62834

6 to lynch

[Nai]

Hey, Norinel, you've got a problem in that vote count. Jules IS voting, and he's voting for me.

I can't remember the reasons that Jules used to vote me during the first crash, but I remember it had something to do with my votes on Coron. He didn't l9ike that I was voting for him so adamantly, or something.

[Stewie]

Vote: Jules

I understand why he voted Nai (ok, not really, but I accept the premise that he actually had a reason pre-crash), but I don't understand why he initially FOSed Nai and later changed the vote with no substantial change in the information known. Also, This is the first time since last time I posted that I have been able to check the thread, and no substantial shift in the conversation occurred, so I might aswell try to get something started.

[Nightfall]

There was the crash and the forum down time remember.

But I too wouldn't mind things picking up a bit.

Im staying on conflux though until he posts more.

[HackerHuck]

The votecount has the same problem as the last, which lists Jules again in the no vote cast section.

I like how Jules is starting to play the Coron game a bit and stir the pot. I really don't like how Jules' vote was placed with no additional comment, so I agree with Stewie's vote.

That said, Luna's still scummier in my book and I'd put Nai almost to her level. Even though I don't like his playstyle here, I think the Coron wagon is a little too weak for the amount of pressure he's getting.

[conflux]

In England until Monday.

[Norinel]

Fixed the vote count.

[Nightfall]

In England until Monday.

I guess we'll be hearing from you the friday after then?

[Jules]

Vote: Jules

I understand why he voted Nai (ok, not really, but I accept the premise that he actually had a reason pre-crash), but I don't understand why he initially FOSed Nai and later changed the vote with no substantial change in the information known. Also, This is the first time since last time I posted that I have been able to check the thread, and no substantial shift in the conversation occurred, so I might aswell try to get something started.

Haha read Post 79 Stewie. You'll find that the EXACT reason you give here is the one I FOSd then voted for Nai

[Stewie]

Haha. Read post 89 to see why I find that a crappy explanation.

[Jules]

Post 101 lol

[Norinel]

Prodding Coron, GreenLiquid, lunalovegood, and perfect62834.

[Stewie]

That doesn't really explain why you initially FOSed and later upgraded to a vote.

[Coron]

Um, it's perfectly reasonable imho. He says "I remember I was voting him, I probably had a good reason

FoS

" Then he comes back later does a reread to decide what the best lead is and

votes

It looks like you're trying to pull stuff out of your rear end.

[Nai]

Actually, his exact wording was:

FOS Nai - I can't remember the reasons for voting you before and I think it would be unfair to vote without any evidence, but I know you looked suspicious

He says the he doesn't want to vote me without evidence. Then, without evidence, he procedes to vote me. Then he votes me, but only to put pressure on me. There is no more evidence that he gives, it's just a pressure vote.

Coron, it REALLY looks like you are trying to defend Jules right now.

[Coron]

Is there any reason to believe I'm not defending Jules? I find his actions reasonable, plain and simple.

[Nai]

I remember being told, several times, that you should never defend someone unless you are absolutely sure of their role. If they're scum, and you're town, you'll be lynched. If you're scum, you know they're town, and you'll probably be lynched. I can't see a reason you would defend him unless you know something we don't.

[HackerHuck]

I remember being told, several times, that you should never defend someone unless you are absolutely sure of their role. If they're scum, and you're town, you'll be lynched. If you're scum, you know they're town, and you'll probably be lynched. I can't see a reason you would defend him unless you know something we don't.

I don't agree with this at all. It's folly to let poor reasoning by others push a lynch just because you don't

know

that person is town.

If it smells like bs, it probably is.

Nai sure likes to imply that Coron has inside knowledge of some kind.

FoS: Nai

[Coron]

You can tell whoever told you that that is a seriously messed up, Nai.

[Nai]

I'm just working off of the advice I was given a long time ago when I started playing. Whenever I have tried defending someone off a hunch, I always get votes on me. I don't see why Coron is able to pull the same stunt and doesn't get the heat. Especially when he defends Jules with craplogic.

FOS: HackerHuck

for his post right there. FOSing me after I actually give evidence that Coron defended Jules with craplogic? Amazing.

[Stewie]

Um, it's perfectly reasonable imho. He says "I remember I was voting him, I probably had a good reason

FoS

" Then he comes back later does a reread to decide what the best lead is and

votes

It looks like you're trying to pull stuff out of your rear end.

I'd answer that, but Nai already did.


On a side note, say "ass"

[HackerHuck]

FOS: HackerHuck

for his post right there. FOSing me after I actually give evidence that Coron defended Jules with craplogic? Amazing.

OMGUS!
The only craplogic I've seen recently is this...

I remember being told, several times, that you should never defend someone unless you are absolutely sure of their role. If they're scum, and you're town, you'll be lynched. If you're scum, you know they're town, and you'll probably be lynched. I can't see a reason you would defend him unless you know something we don't.

And this statement ...

FOS Nai - I can't remember the reasons for voting you before and I think it would be unfair to vote without any evidence, but I know you looked suspicious

followed by this...

vote Nai

It appears to me that your strong belief in Coron's scumminess is causing you to "force" things that really aren't there. Coron's defence of Jules was just Coron stating his opinion that it seems to be reasonable behaviour to FOS and then Vote without any new information. I don't agree with that opinion, but it certainly doesn't appear that he's trying to indicate that he's got some kind of inside knowledge.

Coron's behaviour is starting to wear thin. His defence of jules has been noted as has his claim to do a reread of Jules back on post 93.

It also looks more like Stewie is placing something in his rear-end, rather than pulling something out.

[Nai]

Mine isn't craplogic, that's the difference. The first quoted statement is me FoSing you, since you seem to find me suspicious since I find Coron's defending of Jules suspicious, which you 'note', which seems to mean in this site that "I've got my eye on you", in other words, FoS.

As well, I'm also making a statement on how I was taught to play. I don't know exactly how you can force craplogic out of that, but...