And if the mouth is giving the answers in the first place, how reliable can it be?Nai wrote:He actually did say why. Because if the owner of the Mouth is killed, the Mouth is gone, and no one can use it.
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How did I ignore your post?
I explained that you = luna, so therefore any suspicion on her is also suspicion on you.
I reminded you that I wasn't voting for your predecessor for her lurking.
And I thought I explained how your support of the mouth claim quite clearly. Let's see...
"...the artifact would be lost if the owner were killed that night."
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Like I just said, in that case, how is the cop a cop at all, if he's replying to questions which he may or may not (probably the latter) know anything about? It seems for a way for him to manipulate the town if that was the case which once again, I don't think is.HackerHuck wrote:How did I ignore your post?
I explained that you = luna, so therefore any suspicion on her is also suspicion on you.
I reminded you that I wasn't voting for your predecessor for her lurking.
And I thought I explained how your support of the mouth claim quite clearly. Let's see...
"...the artifact would be lost if the owner were killed that night."
Isn't that kind of like asking the cop to claim so you know where the answers are coming from?:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Are you dileberately misunderstanding me?Nai wrote:So what you are saying is, it would be better to out the mouth and then have him subsequently probably killed, on the off chance the scum have it and are using it to their advantage? (A, what, 3-ish in 12 chance?)
Anyway, if it DID work like that, the role would have no other use but to MISLEAD the town and scum would have no incentive to kill it.SL THREE times now wrote:I highly doubt that is the case:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Can you give more detail about why you feel this way? I don't see the connection.I'll reread things but I'm pretty sure I still don't trust HH. If you look at HH's comments on Coron it's like too easy to say they're scum together.Avatar courtesy of Chickadee! | GTKAL-
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SL: Where do you see that this isn't the case? Why do you think that either A. The item wouldn't be lost (which was confirmed by the mod) or B. The scum wouldn't kill it if it was town? It's like having a cop the scum doesn't kill. Rarely happens.
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If someone had a Mouth of the Diviner and sent answers to the questions the Ear asked, which I said I don't think is the case then A) The answers would potentially mislead the town as how is the holder of the Mouth of the Diviner supposed to know and B) The scum have no incentive to kill the person holding it because it's that person's opinion.Nai wrote:SL: Where do you see that this isn't the case? Why do you think that either A. The item wouldn't be lost (which was confirmed by the mod) or B. The scum wouldn't kill it if it was town? It's like having a cop the scum doesn't kill. Rarely happens.
And what do you mean the role would mislead the town? Where do you get THAT?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your theory about the Mouth of the Diviner earlier.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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I too do not understand what you mean by it misleading the town. If the mouth exists (keep in mind please that the mouth is pure specualation), I see it as a ask-a-question to the mod role, only another person gets the result (like say if one artifact allowed its owner to pick someone to investigate and another artifact gets the result). I really don't see how a townie with it will mislead the town, the only person who can misuse it is the person with the ear.Avatar courtesy of Chickadee! | GTKAL-
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Wait, are you saying that if scum hold the ear, then they will mislead the town by saying they asked a question they didn't?If someone had a Mouth of the Diviner and sent answers to the questions the Ear asked, which I said I don't think is the case then A) The answers would potentially mislead the town as how is the holder of the Mouth of the Diviner supposed to know and B) The scum have no incentive to kill the person holding it because it's that person's opinion.
Even if this is the case, the odds of scum having it is not particularly good, and if we do get a bogus result we could simply lynch the ear's holder. That's still a really bad reason for the mouth to claim.Avatar courtesy of Chickadee! | GTKAL-
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No I'm saying let's say the Ear of the Diviner asks a question like "Is X scum?"
The holder of the Mouth of the Diviner has no way of knowing if X is scum or not and could potentially mislead the town in his answer.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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And that involved the mouth claiming which is why I suggested it. But the point is moot now because I DON'T think that's how it works at all.GreenLiquid wrote:Ummm, then have the person with the mouth claim answer before person with the ear claims question. Then, if the question ends up falsified later on, the person who had the mouth gets lynched. Not hard.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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And I don't think the way you are suggesting, SL, is how it works. I think you ask the ear a question, and then the mouth tells you. I don't see how it would be that the person with the mouth gets the question and then answers, because who gets that answer? We've already gone over the fact that the Ear doesn't get answers. Directly, at least.-
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Assume for a moment that the scum have only found out about the possibility of the mouth through what has been posted. Given that they only have speculation about what it does and whether it even exists, does it make sense for scum to assume that the item would more likely benefit town or scum?
It's kind of funny how this post:ShadowLurker wrote:After rereading something I am STRONGLY AGAINST A MASSROLECLAIM and against the Mouth of the Diviner or whatever we may believe to exist to claim.
came directly after this one:Kelly Chen wrote:If it delivers information to anybody, the scum would not want to use it, pass it around, or even admit it exists. It seems there's some potential to use it for misdirection, but then the town would still expect the item to be passed along.-
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Ok, I misunderstood then, but I'm still doubting that's the way it works.Nai wrote:And I don't think the way you are suggesting, SL, is how it works. I think you ask the ear a question, and then the mouth tells you. I don't see how it would be that the person with the mouth gets the question and then answers, because who gets that answer? We've already gone over the fact that the Ear doesn't get answers. Directly, at least.
If you're going to try and imply something, come state it right now instead of pathetic attempts to poison the well like that. If you notice, I was referring to a mass roleclaim Nightfall suggested, and not at all what Kelly suggested. It has already been established I have the Ear, I'm not hiding anything about it. You yourself seem to be against the mass claim.HackerHuck wrote:Assume for a moment that the scum have only found out about the possibility of the mouth through what has been posted. Given that they only have speculation about what it does and whether it even exists, does it make sense for scum to assume that the item would more likely benefit town or scum?
It's kind of funny how this post:ShadowLurker wrote:After rereading something I am STRONGLY AGAINST A MASSROLECLAIM and against the Mouth of the Diviner or whatever we may believe to exist to claim.
came directly after this one:Kelly Chen wrote:If it delivers information to anybody, the scum would not want to use it, pass it around, or even admit it exists. It seems there's some potential to use it for misdirection, but then the town would still expect the item to be passed along.
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Wow, someone's a bit defensive.
I prefer to let others come to the same conclusion I did, rather than spoon feed them my ideas. I would think you should appreciate that route since if I took something out of context, others would be able to make that judgement for themselves.
Since you decided to deflect around what caught my eye, I'll trim down the quotes to highlight what gave me a chuckle.
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Don't like the way he's jumping on HackerHuck. Coupled with my heavy suspicion regarding luna, that's enough for me to vote him.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'm pretty sure the Mouth of a Diviner claiming is a subset of a mass artifacts claim and you needing that ... is pretty much admitting you're taking things out of context.HackerHuck wrote:Wow, someone's a bit defensive.
I prefer to let others come to the same conclusion I did, rather than spoon feed them my ideas. I would think you should appreciate that route since if I took something out of context, others would be able to make that judgement for themselves.
Since you decided to deflect around what caught my eye, I'll trim down the quotes to highlight what gave me a chuckle.
Kelly Chen wrote:If it delivers information to anybody, the scum would not want to use it, pass it around, or even admit it exists.ShadowLurker wrote:After rereading something I am ... against the Mouth of the Diviner or whatever we may believe to exist to claim.
I don't know how it works but I'm doubting the Mouth and the Diviner if it exists and the Ear of the Diviner are related at all. That's all I'm saying, nothing more.Stewie wrote:I'll bite: how do you think it works?
This is bullshit and you know it, you're just looking for an excuse to jump on me again because now I have momentum.Zindaras wrote:Vote: ShadowLurker
Don't like the way he's jumping on HackerHuck. Coupled with my heavy suspicion regarding luna, that's enough for me to vote him.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Momentum? Hardly. I'm simply voting you because I have been suspicious of you all thread. You've always been pretty much my top suspect, and I believe that's more than clear enough. With Jules not getting lynched, I'm back to you.ShadowLurker wrote:This is bullshit and you know it, you're just looking for an excuse to jump on me again because now I have momentum.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Zindaras wrote:*pouts*
I still say I'm right, but I guess I won't get anywhere with them today.
Pretty sure it IS because I have any sort of momentum going on me now, and Jules doesn't.Zindaras wrote:
Momentum? Hardly. I'm simply voting you because I have been suspicious of you all thread. You've always been pretty much my top suspect, and I believe that's more than clear enough. With Jules not getting lynched, I'm back to you.ShadowLurker wrote:This is bullshit and you know it, you're just looking for an excuse to jump on me again because now I have momentum.
There are no doubts in my mind that HackerHuck and Zindaras are scum together and I'd be happy with either one of them dying today.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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