I've played pie c9 before. I will say this, if we lynch the mafia roleblocker today, and the remaining mafia member fails to kill a powerole night 1, there is a forced win for the town.
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Vote: Shadowlurkerseems like a strong move.
I've played pie c9 before. I will say this, if we lynch the mafia roleblocker today, and the remaining mafia member fails to kill a powerole night 1, there is a forced win for the town.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Ok, say we lynch the mafia roleblocker day 1. I didn't mean a failed nightkill, I meant if the last scum only manages to kill a townie. That would leave the following on day 2:
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I'll assume absolute worst case scenario is that the cop has no useful investigation result (they investigated the townie you got nightkilled). The cop and doc claim and are immediately cleared, leaving 3 suspects. Lynch one, if the game isn't over, go into night, doc protects cop, cop investigates one of the remaining suspects and the last scum is lynched day 3. Forced win. Obviously it doesn't work if the roleblocker is alive because they would block the poweroles.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Hmm, this talk of strategy is a bit strange. Certain games do need a strategy discussion, this is just simple pie c9 though. The only strategy I can think of I've already put out there, and though it's perfectly sound, we can't exactly put into action unless we're in a very specific situation. 'Lynch the mafia roleblocker' isn't really a strategy since the entire point is to lynch scum anyway.Ripley wrote:If anybody was able to suggest any kind of strategy at all, it would at least give us something to talk about. I think maybe this setup was designed to be strategy proof, unfortunately. And anyone who brings up a poor strategy is at risk of being attacked for it.
I'llunvote, Vote: Nightfallbecause his last post felt a bit insincere (I played crap both times we've played together ) . Though I feel pretty mean to vote for a reason like that but we simply have to get discussion going somehow.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Yeah, pretty much old newbie games were like this but without the mafia having the roleblocking ability. This was clearly in the towns favour. The addition of the roleblocker completely knocks out any plan with the cop claiming day 1.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Fircoal, you misunderstood it. He said he was more than not willing - that means he is willing. What do you find kinda odd about my switch?Fircoal wrote:HE said NOT willing, so it doesn't look that scummy to me, more just a post in a joking matter. Though Patrick's switch is kind odd, but we don't want a bandwagon lynch, so it isn't that odd. Just think it's something worthy of notice.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Seems to think there's a majority on Nightfall. Since there were no votes since his, I assume he though, at least briefly, that he had hammered.Ernie post 108 wrote:But that's not a majority on him, isn't it? I just skirmed through the thread and I think he's just got 4 votes.Primpod 11:13 pm
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You could argue that. I went off the post where he said "That's a majority on him?" But yeah with two contradictory posts there is room for doubt about it. What he did was still pretty dodgy, he put someone at -1 based on no real reason and seemed to invite a hammer. Still I'm not clear on why you're voting me though.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I wouldn't consider bussing your scumbuddy on day 1 of a pie c9 game to be excellent play, especially with so little justification. If Ernie was doing that, he'd run the risk of walking into all kinds of forced losses on day 2, either by being busted by the cop, or just by the town creating enough confirmed innocents to win. Not that it's impossible he'd do it of course, but it's not what comes to my mind first.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Ernie, you seem to have little idea what's going on in this game. First of all I am voting you. Secondly, I'm not pointing fingers at random. I can see now that you weren't necessarily intending to hammer. That doesn't make everything alright. You still put someone at lynch-1 for no good reason and speculated on whether someone would hammer or not.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Guys, can you stop with the spamming please, it's just in bad taste. There's no reason to be so happy about the lack of content (unless you're scum).
I already questioned you about this, and you replied that you actually don't understand why you're voting me either. If you plan to keep bringing it up, then give a good reason why it's scummy.Twito wrote:I went through it and there is nothing to be found.. or I'm just not finding. Patrick representating Ernies vote as if Ernie had tried to hammer is still the scummiest thing I found in whole thread. There was the promised SL post almost a week ago but as mod straightened that out aswell.. really nothing. It's SPAM LAND! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I am voting Ernie, and tbh I don't even think what he's done is that scummy, but it's the worst I see. His last post worried me, because it seems like he's not reading the thread at all. For someone like Twito, who wants to make a fuss over my alledged misrepresentation of Ernie, I'm surprised he didn't pick up on Ernie's misrepresentations of me there.
Apart from Ernie and Twito possible link, I see Fircoal as slightly scummy, firstly because I don't recall him posting much content or trying to stimulate the game, and secondly post 152 which seems a bit too parrotty/sucky upy. He basically takes Ripley's top two suspects and puts them together as a prospective scumteam, even though (in my opinion as I explained) they don't make much sense as a scumteam. He then praised Ripley on his post and copies Shadowlurker in calling him pro town. It just seemed a bit too passive. That's about it.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I don't think that I've spammed at any point in the game. I don't know about spam being scummy. It might show a certain level of happiness with the fact that nothing is going on. And scum are probably feeling happy right now with the level of participation. Mostly though, if at some point ppl want to look back over the thread, they have to sift through the junk to find relevant things, and that's not helpful.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I'm confused about that. Your last post doesn't make sense. It seems that you first said that you were disproved, then 5 posts later you asked what reasons there were for Nightfall/Ernie not being scumbuddies. Those two things don't make any sense together.
I gave some reasons for not thinking they're scumbuddies in my post 155.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Just to comment on Ripley, since I haven't actually done so yet. I've seen him make decent posts as scum too, in fact he pretty much had me sold that time. Nonetheless, it would be pretty easy as scum to let a game like this one stagnate, so I tend to take his post at face value. I'm currently more interested in CDB and Fircoal than Nightfall. I don't think there's much going against him, though I think the mod should prod, maybe replace him. I know he's been struggling to keep up in certain other games.
CDB, elaborate on this please:
If I understand right, you think there may have been some scum strategy to take heat off Nightfall (presumably scum in this scenrario) by talking about Ripley? Why would that distract us from Nightfall? It's not like anyone was making a case against Ripley for making a useful post, and with the lack of discussion, nothing would stop the town from talking about both things at once anyway.CDB wrote:Ripley's case on Nightfall sort of disappeared - people basically said "Ripley looks protown" and then talked about whether that was a null tell for him. If it had been just one person doing that I would have FoSed them for trying to take the heat off a scumbuddy, but quite a few people did that, so I can't. Nightfall, could you go back and answer Ripley's post about you, please, and if you did, please tell me where it was as I must have missed it. Until then (and possibly after), FoS: NightfallPrimpod 11:13 pm
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Not much time to post now, though I'll probably see if there's ANYTHING meaningful I can dig up later. I feel that Shadowlurker may need replacing. If we are lynching one of the spammers my preference atm would be Fircoal.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Unvote, vote: Fircoalbecause I've had a few bad vibes from him and CDB does seem ok at this stage.
I'm pleased that we're getting a replacement for Shadowlurker, since at the moment I don't have the slightest idea about his alignment. Twito may also need replacing since I think he's having all sorts of problems with his connection.Primpod 11:13 pm
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This strikes me as oppotunistic. I could see a Skruffs/Fircoal scumteam here, and would be happy lynching Fircoal.Fircoal wrote:I agree with your suspicions of Ripley. And so the game I'm playing is called Follow the leader?Primpod 11:13 pm
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CDB and Ripley seem quite reasonable to me.
Shadowlurker's last few posts were focussed on Ernie/CDB, the relatively easy target. Skruff's first serious post of the game felt off, and I didn't really agree with the attack on Ripley, which seemed to misrepresent him in certain ways. Indirect attempt to save Fircoal perhaps, while maintaining a wishy washy stance on him.
Fircoal's last post set off alarm bells too, since I don't think he ever voiced any suspicions of Ripley before, and I think was last seen calling him pro town. I think he does seem to play follow the leader too much. My guess is Ernie was just the lynchbait and Fircoal is scum.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I thought about it, but we shouldn't be hasty. Cop could have been roleblocked, or could have investigated the doc or the guy protected, or maybe scum no killed so it doesn't guarantee 4 players cleared.
Something to think about though.Primpod 11:13 pm
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That's true Ripley. There would be no benefit to the cop staying hidden in that case because the scum would know who he is. The cop coming forward in that case would give us him as confirmed if there is no counterclaim, but would make him useless as long as the mafia roleblocker lives.
Still, with luck, the cop wasn't blocked. I support the cop claiming. Then maybe the doc depending what we get from the cop.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Yes, I too would like Skruffs to elaborate on the alledged slip by the mod. Incidentally I don't really think that a mod should have posted something like what he said in the last post, but that's another story.
As I see it, cop claiming period, is better than cop claiming only if he has a result, as pointed out before by Ripley.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Thinking about it, if we mass claim, we'll likely get 3 confirmed players, assuming scum didn't try to block and kill the same player. That's assuming no counterclaims of course. I think it's a decent idea. If we get counterclaims that still gives us information to work with.Primpod 11:13 pm
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Lol. Personally I am not that suspicious of Nightfall, and would happily see Skruffs and/or Twito going before him, but it might be hard to figure out an order if we all disagree. I don't especially mind where I go in the order.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I am indeed a chess player, though sadly I have no cutting edge logical intellect. I suppose everyone should post at least what order they want roughly. Keeping flexiblity I'd say something like this:Ripley wrote:Patrick, you're the chess player (allegedly), which marks you out as a person of refined cutting-edge logical intellect. Think of something!
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Reversing the first two if wanted. Nightfall has asked to go after CDB though, and CDB wants the opposite.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I find this curious. I don't especially find the players on the lynch more suspicious, in fact I could conceivebly see both scum staying off the lynch. I think you've mostly ignored the context here, that we were on a deadline. Nightfall's and Ripley's votes on Fircoal seemed to be made mostly with that in mind. Lynching someone was better than not lynching at all, and I didn't exactly see Twito coming up with a brilliant alternative lynch for us either. The last sentence is also funny, why do you want to avoid piping in with that? I could be scum like any other player from the general POV, is there some reason why I have higher authority that you're willing to bow down to?Skruffs wrote:Theoretically, I'd like to say that everyone in the mislynch yesterday should go first : That's CDB, Patrick, Nightfall, Ripley. Only in reverse, as each vote put fircoal closer. I'm curious why Patrick wants the two people who didn't lynch Fircoal to go first. Oh well, he knows what he's doing, I'm sure. I'd liek to pipe in with that, but I won't.Primpod 11:13 pm
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I believe no lynching on day 1 of a 7 player game is a bad move. Obviously, if we no lynched, and went to night and the doc stopped a kill, then great, we're back where we started, but with more information from the night. But we weren't to know that there would be no kill at night. And yes, lynching a townie is worse than not lynching, but we can only say that with hindsight. Only the scum knew before that he was a townie.Skruffs wrote:And actually,
No. While a mislynch is better than a non-mislynch, in regular 7 player, in this game, it's not.
Because we only had four townies left after the lynch, scum couldn't seal the deal like they did this time. With five players, it could take up to three nights to combo block/kill all of them, depending on who was lynched the second day. So no, lynching anyone was not better than lynching nobody at all. Lynching nobody at all would not have streamlined this game so effectively for scum.
I don't know about more likely than any other in the game, though I'm certainly considering it.Skruffs wrote:Lastly..
Are you saying that you think me and Twito, who didn't lynch fircoal, are more likely to be a scum team than every other combination in the game?
I just think he's likely town so I wouldn't mind him going last. I didn't realise I'd partially roleclaimed by saying that.Ripley wrote:I'm *real*curious about this: Why is it that you want Ripley to have the pleasure of claiming, last? You do realize the person who claims last has the most freedom to pick and choose through claims, right? You've effectively partially claimed already by saying that. RazzPrimpod 11:13 pm
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Hi.Twito in vacation thread wrote:Easter time! I'm going travelling for 2 weeks! Smile Whoohoo Twito will come back!
I still try to post in the middle as 2 weeks is a bit long time to disappear completely..
We may need Twito replacing, but in the meantime, let us continue with this gripping show. CDB is next.Primpod 11:13 pm
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