Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Zindaras]

*shrugs*

I feel that never really should be a subject. Every accusation places you in danger from Mafia (or maybe Vig) killing. I get killed just after attacking one or two Mafia members an amazing amount of times.

[Coron]

++ increase suspicion of Nightfall for this post:

Zind, I've just been looking over some posts and I wanted to ask something...

You state that you are 99% sure that Kelly/Perfect is scum and 80% sure that Shadow is scum.

If we were to lynch either of them with the terms that if they came up town we would lynch you tommorrow, would you be willing to do that?

[Nightfall]

Why is that?

[Coron]

Because it is scummy?

[Nightfall]

What about it is?

[Kelly Chen]

While I feel that "If X isn't scum, we should lynch Y" sentiments are usually flawed and don't really like planning multiple lynches ahead, I'd accept your offer if we wouldn't lynch either of them if I didn't.

Regardless, I really need to reread this game.

Is your memory of pages 1-2 getting shaky?

Usually when players use the "overstate certainty" tactic they don't undermine themselves by saying they need a reread. It's dishonest/unhelpful of you to be willing to gamble on a "lynch them, then lynch me" proposition when you don't have the certainty you're talking about.

Noting how these suggestions are "usually" flawed is some transparent BSing. You're the one who should be able to decide that the proposition is good and harmless in this case. If I'm scum then what's the holdup? Why let a mafia "rule of thumb" stop you?

unvote

[Zindaras]

Is your memory of pages 1-2 getting shaky?

Usually when players use the "overstate certainty" tactic they don't undermine themselves by saying they need a reread. It's dishonest/unhelpful of you to be willing to gamble on a "lynch them, then lynch me" proposition when you don't have the certainty you're talking about.

I don't need to reread Page 1-2, just the posts after that.

Noting how these suggestions are "usually" flawed is some transparent BSing. You're the one who should be able to decide that the proposition is good and harmless in this case. If I'm scum then what's the holdup? Why let a mafia "rule of thumb" stop you?

unvote

I'm not so stupid to assume that I can't possibly be wrong. That would be needlessly arrogant.

[Nai]

I'm currently not sold on Kelly or Zindaras being scum. As far as I can see, there's absolutely jack in the way of lynch-making evidence against either of them.

[Norinel]

Apeiron replaces Jules.

Deadline: February 2, noon Eastern time, 17:00 GMT

. As is standard for my games, the player with the most votes will be lynched at deadline, provided it's at least half of the number to lynch (3). Ties are broken by the time the player's been at that many votes; the top of any vote count is the person currently in danger.

Vote Count:

Nai- 3 (Coron, Apeiron, Machiaveillian-Mafia)
HackerHuck- 2 (ShadowLurker, CrashTextDummie)
ShadowLurker- 1 (Zindaras)
Coron- 1 (Nai)

Not voting (3): GreenLiquid, HackerHuck, Kelly Chen, Nightfall

6 to lynch, 3 at deadline

[Nai]

Well, it seems I'm on the lynching block, and no one is posting. Should I just claim and get it over with?

[Kelly Chen]

I wouldn't be so quick to do that. If the deadline were now I would vote HH. I don't trust the judgment of the three people who've voted you.

I want to get some kind of reread in yet. I have like 5 suspects (HH, Coron, Zindaras, Nightfall, GL, maybe you) at the moment.

[Nai]

I'm just a little iffy at the moment, since it was 24 hours between Norinel's post and mine, and there were no posts, and then another hour before yours. I'd like at least a chance here, though, with how people are acting, that doesn't seem likely.

[Kelly Chen]

vote: HackerHuck

[HackerHuck]

Well, it seems I'm on the lynching block, and no one is posting. Should I just claim and get it over with?

We're still ten days from the deadline and the latest replacement hasn't even had a chance to chime in yet. I wouldn't be too hasty with a claim. Besides, it now looks like I'm right up there with you on this one.

[Apeiron]

*Just to let you know that I am here and reading*

Have little or nothing to add as of now. A long discussion, without anything substantial.

[Coron]

Maybe now would be a good time for a claim, activity seems to be dying off.

[Nai]

I'll claim now, since it seems like otherwise the game will coast to deadline, since no one else seems willing to actually do anything at this point.

My actual role is a vanilla townie. I have an item called the "Chest of Winds" (since we seem to be able to quote at least that) that is unable to be transfered. Once in the game I can use it. It seems that it's a selective role-block that affects anyone who needs to leave their home/tent/whatever to act. I'm not sure if this means that artifacts need to be close to their targets to work, or if there are actually roles like Cop that get artifacts too.

I had no yet used the Chest of Winds, and I was planning on trying to use it in, say, a Lynch or Lose situation, then night previous, to see if I could block the mafia kill.

[Nai]

EBWODP: I also wasn't using it in case it blocked Cop or Doc roles, if there are any, because the town needs that in a game like this.

[Coron]

That sounds like a lame cop-out lie.

[Kelly Chen]

A one-shot block everybody?

Huh.

[Nai]

It's not a 'block everybody'. The pm basically says that it's a role-block that works globally. But it doesn't work on EVERYONE, supposedly. I guess if you have to leave your tent, it works. Otherwise, nada.

[Nightfall]

....So your thought is that it will block roles but not artifacts?

[Nai]

I'm not entirely sure, to be completely truthful. I haven't used it, and it doesn't explain. It just says that it will block some people, but not others. My guess is that it'll block ROLES (which, traditionally, leave the house, thus the 'tracker' role), and that artifacts are probably immune. I can't really think of why an artifact would need to leave the 'house' for its use. Though, I might be wrong on the latter.

[Nightfall]

Jules, Could you please post once more, the "EXACT" phrasing that you used to ask the ears your question?

Nai, Does your item clearly say that it effects people outside? or globally? or what?

[HackerHuck]

It's not a 'block everybody'. The pm basically says that it's a role-block that works globally. But it doesn't work on EVERYONE, supposedly. I guess if you have to leave your tent, it works. Otherwise, nada.

It seems to me that it would block the traditional role actions, but not actions performed by artifacts. That also seems to indicate that it can block scum nightkills unless they are performed through some other means.

I don't know that this item really indicates anything of alignment, since I could envision it being useful for either scum or town.

I believe Jules has been replaced by Apeiron, so I don't think we'll be able to get that information.