Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over
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Nai Executor of the Dead
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If my memory's serving me well, I've seen the role both as scum and as town. The difference is usually that the town version blocks everything and the scum version blocks everything but the Mafia's kill.
Err, actaully, I know I've seen it as both scum and town. Both were lynch triggers, though.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Kelly Chen Open-Minded
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I've had that role as town in a scumchat UPick game (Moses, one-shot lead Jews out of Egypt).
I doubt Nai would make that item up, and it's confirmable anyway. It's weird that he can't pass it though.
If he's town then passing it would only be bad if he gave it to scum, which would be his own stupidity and would only cost the town one night of actions.
If this is supposed to obviously be a scum power (in which case why would Nai claim it, wifom, etc.) it seems dumb from a design perspective to prevent passing it, since scum would never pass it to town unless passing it would help convince the town that it's not inherently a scum power.-
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"I have a scum-assisting artifact that can't even be given to anyone else"? That kind of stinks doesn't it? If it means avoiding a lynch I think it would be much better to leave the possibility of handing the item off.Coron wrote:The point is that he claimed an artifact that couldn't be passed, it seems if scum had artifacts that is exactly what they would want to claim,
You don't think he has that item at all? What's his plan when we ask him to use the item and nothing happens? It clearly should have some effect onWith the uncertainty of who it blocks it makes it even less believable.somebody.-
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ShadowLurker 9 years old
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On Nai's claim: It doesn't make me go either way. I feel it could be scum, could be town. Therefore, it means I fall back on my read on him, which is most likely town by process of elimination.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Its a one time use item though.... Or at least he claims....Apeiron wrote:I am not too sure whether I trust the not-transferring thing either. Especially if this is some kind of massive roleblock ability, which is pretty powerful.
I COULD see it being true... I'm just now sure how likely it would be....Once Nightfall comes, everyone's dead...-
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Well, maybe it doesn't effect the cop, tracker, etc, it only effects the mafia, the doc, and the roleblocker or something like that. What if it only blocks roles that can't prove they were blocked? What then?Kelly Chen wrote:
"I have a scum-assisting artifact that can't even be given to anyone else"? That kind of stinks doesn't it? If it means avoiding a lynch I think it would be much better to leave the possibility of handing the item off.Coron wrote:The point is that he claimed an artifact that couldn't be passed, it seems if scum had artifacts that is exactly what they would want to claim,
You don't think he has that item at all? What's his plan when we ask him to use the item and nothing happens? It clearly should have some effect onWith the uncertainty of who it blocks it makes it even less believable.somebody.
I think it is VERY believeable that he would make this claim as:
A) mafia with this
B) mafia with a multishot power like this.
I find it somewhat believeable that he would claim this as:
C) mafia without an artifact.
Also I would contest that this ability, depending on who it effects is not nesissarily in the best interest of scum, but rather might help town.
Oh and One time use lines up perfectly with a passable multiuse item he doesn't want to pass.-
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Nai Executor of the Dead
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I don't think that the "not-transferring thing" is that much of a stretch. By not being able to pass the item, it basically becomes more of a "role" than an artifact. It could even be possible that the "roles" in this game have been replaced by artifacts - some passable, some not.Apeiron wrote:I am not too sure whether I trust the not-transferring thing either. Especially if this is some kind of massive roleblock ability, which is pretty powerful.-
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As I just posted in V/LA, my access will be extremely limited in the next few days. I should still be able to get on to resolve the deadline, though.
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Nai- 3 (Coron, Apeiron, Machiaveillian-Mafia)
HackerHuck- 3 (ShadowLurker, CrashTextDummie, Kelly Chen)
ShadowLurker- 1 (Zindaras)
Coron- 1 (Nai)
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Kelly Chen Open-Minded
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Nai wrote:Erm... Guys? All artifacts are one-time use for each person. Post 1 says this.
I also don't see why you'd think a mass-role-block would be passable. If it was, either scum or town could put the other side into a complete standstill over and over, if the passes were done right.Mod wrote:Special rules:
If the description starts with "You may" means eachplayermay use that artifact once. If it starts with "Once in the game, you may", that's once for theartifactfor the entire game; once it's been used, the artifact either becomes useless or disappears.
It appears that there is one killing role that must go outside and kills by stabbing. That makes this artifact it a bit more verifiable without exposing other power roles.Mod wrote:Night 1:
The one they called neongrey is dead. Stabbed in his tent.-
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Tisk Tisk, answering stuff for me, scummy.Kelly Chen wrote:
Surely it could be passable without being multi-use.Nai wrote:I also don't see why you'd think a mass-role-block would be passable. If it was, either scum or town could put the other side into a complete standstill over and over, if the passes were done right.-
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Nai Executor of the Dead
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No, Post 1 says if it starts with "You may" it's one use.Nai wrote:Erm... Guys? All artifacts are one-time use for each person. Post 1 says this.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Artifacts are not one use period if it does not start with "You may" or "Once in the game."Nai wrote:I specifically said "For each person". There's also one use wonders. Mine specifically says it's too heavy to pass, since it's supposedly a huge chest.:sadtorch Ken Hoang, A.D/Fuzzie, Cameron Ferris, Taj Johnson-George, Annie Duke, Patti Blagojevich, Maria/Tiffany :sadtorch
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Nai Executor of the Dead
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