Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Nai]

I don't see the intelligence in possibility 2. They know I have only one shot, and that it can't be passed. So there was no point in them not trying to get through it. I think we can safely say either I blocked it, or they targetted an unkillable.

[Zindaras]

Two is tangential. It goes like this:

Nai is scum. Nai has this artifact which blocks everything but the Mafia kill. Nai's artifact looks townier if it blocks the Mafia kill than if it doesn't. So Nai uses it and the scum no kill on purpose to make Nai seem townier.

As I said, I believe it's weak and based largely on WIFOM, but I also believe that all possibilities should be raised.

[ShadowLurker]

I have something to say, but first I need three questions answered.

The person that had the ear - What did you ask it?

Shadow - Why did you ask about MM (Stewies Replacement?) when Jules already did that night 1?

Everyone - Does anyone else have an artifact with the words "of the Diviner" in it's name?

I did not do anything with the ear last night.

I asked about MM because I forgot Jules had asked about it, MM was the 2nd scummiest in my opinion although pretty distant from Zindaras so I wanted to see if my read on him was accurate, and Jules had also received no answer if you remember.

[GreenLiquid]

vote: GreenLiquid, explain!

Explain what?

[Kelly Chen]

Take a guess?

[GreenLiquid]

Take a guess?

If you want to play games, I'm not interested. Either make a valid accusation or don't expect an explaination.

The latter part of Day One was really strange, and I'm not sure I even could follow people's thought processes. I think it would be wise to start the day off with people posting who they find suspicious. I don't have a single clue who people currently suspect, and I'd like to hear from everyone so that I can have something to go by. Knowing where everyone stands is important, and at the moment, I don't have a good read on

anyone

.

A few notes:

1) Nai's use of 'artifact' does not make me think he is town. The limitations on it make me want to think that it was a mafia power that Nai wanted to label as an artifact, realized what could happen if he was ordered to pass it, and gave it the no-pass limitation.

2) I don't like how Zindaras made repeated efforts to stop HH's lynch near the end of Day 1.

[Coron]

HH was SK, how would that implicate Zindaras.

[GreenLiquid]

HH was SK, how would that implicate Zindaras.

I didn't say it implied a connection, I just said I didn't like it. I wouldn't have liked it even if he had turned up town.

[Kelly Chen]

Take a guess?

If you want to play games, I'm not interested. Either make a valid accusation or don't expect an explaination.

Why did you drop off the planet yesterday? You were going to tell us who you ultimately suspected.

The latter part of Day One was really strange, and I'm not sure I even could follow people's thought processes. I think it would be wise to start the day off with people posting who they find suspicious.

lol.

A few notes:

1) Nai's use of 'artifact' does not make me think he is town. The limitations on it make me want to think that it was a mafia power that Nai wanted to label as an artifact, realized what could happen if he was ordered to pass it, and gave it the no-pass limitation.

How likely (percentage-wise) do you think it is that Nai had this as a role ability rather than an artifact?

2) I don't like how Zindaras made repeated efforts to stop HH's lynch near the end of Day 1.

I'm curious about what in particular you disliked.

[GreenLiquid]

Why did you drop off the planet yesterday? You were going to tell us who you ultimately suspected.

>_< Ugh, I had completely forgotten.

In no particular order, they were Nai, Coron, and Jules.

This was mostly due to numerous apparent links, and other actions that were outlined over the course of my reread. Nai and Coron are still suspect now, but I think Jules has fallen down on my list since yesterday.

How likely (percentage-wise) do you think it is that Nai had this as a role ability rather than an artifact?

Maybe about 20%. Not extremely likely, but still a very real possibility.

I'm curious about what in particular you disliked.

Anytime a player defends another player with no explanation and seemingly for no in-thread related reason, the alarm bells start ringing. HH being a SK also means there's no mason connection.

I did not do anything with the ear last night.

Before I comment further, I would like to know why you did not use it.

[Nightfall]

I did not do anything with the ear last night.

Why?

I asked about MM because I forgot Jules had asked about it, MM was the 2nd scummiest in my opinion although pretty distant from Zindaras so I wanted to see if my read on him was accurate, and Jules had also received no answer if you remember.

1) So you forgot that Jules asked the ear about MM, but you remembered that he got no answer?

2) What did you take the fact that Jules didnt (theoretically) recieve an answer to mean?

Everyone - Does anyone else have an artifact with the words "of the Diviner" in it's name?

I'm not sure this is a good question.

I'll rephrase, how many people here STARTED the game with an artifact with the words "of the diviner" in the name? Depending on the answer I get from this, I'm thinking I could in good confidence point out at least one scum.

[Zindaras]

There were reasons why I defended Hucky. I felt that he was the voice of reason throughout most of the game. His opinions very much resembled my own. Therefore, I felt he had the same alignment I have.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: The artifact I started with has nothing to do with the Diviner.

[Bogre]

Mine didn't say anything about the diviner.

[GreenLiquid]

There were reasons why I defended Hucky. I felt that he was the voice of reason throughout most of the game. His opinions very much resembled my own. Therefore, I felt he had the same alignment I have.

Then the question is: why did you 1) Not say this, and 2) Not make an actual defense?

[GreenLiquid]

Also, I didn't start the game with nor currently have a 'of the Diviner' artifact.

[ShadowLurker]

Why?

I don't see how I can elaborate further.

1) So you forgot that Jules asked the ear about MM, but you remembered that he got no answer?

2) What did you take the fact that Jules didnt (theoretically) recieve an answer to mean?

1) Last night, I forgot Jules used the ear on MM, I knew I wasn't using the Ear tonight as soon as I replaced in. When you brought it up this morning, I remembered that he received no result and am pointing out that it was unreliable anyway.

2) I take the fact that he didn't receive an answer to mean that he didn't receive an answer from the mod.

I'll rephrase, how many people here STARTED the game with an artifact with the words "of the diviner" in the name? Depending on the answer I get from this, I'm thinking I could in good confidence point out at least one scum.

I don't like this quesiton either. Both claimed Diviner artifacts so far have been coppish roles and it feels like outguessing the mod at best.

[ShadowLurker]

FoS: Nightfall

[Nightfall]

Red is mine.

Why?

I don't see how I can elaborate further.

What? how can you not? All you said so far is that you did not use it.

1) So you forgot that Jules asked the ear about MM, but you remembered that he got no answer?

2) What did you take the fact that Jules didnt (theoretically) recieve an answer to mean?

1) Last night, I forgot Jules used the ear on MM, I knew I wasn't using the Ear tonight as soon as I replaced in. When you brought it up this morning, I remembered that he received no result and am pointing out that it was unreliable anyway.

He claimed to not have recieved results directly, he also said that the results could be posted in the night scene or given to someone else.

2) I take the fact that he didn't receive an answer to mean that he didn't receive an answer from the mod.

, yes but if he really didn't why do you think that is?

I'll rephrase, how many people here STARTED the game with an artifact with the words "of the diviner" in the name? Depending on the answer I get from this, I'm thinking I could in good confidence point out at least one scum.

I don't like this quesiton either. Both claimed Diviner artifacts so far have been coppish roles and it feels like outguessing the mod at best.

What? I am just asking to see how many are suposedly in existence.
I also want to see if there is any further proof that your current artifact exists.

P.S. I have my reasons, which I will reveal soon, for asking all of this.

[Nightfall]

EBWOP

Red is mine.

Why?

I don't see how I can elaborate further.

What? how can you not? All you said so far is that you did not use it.

1) So you forgot that Jules asked the ear about MM, but you remembered that he got no answer?

2) What did you take the fact that Jules didnt (theoretically) recieve an answer to mean?

1) Last night, I forgot Jules used the ear on MM, I knew I wasn't using the Ear tonight as soon as I replaced in. When you brought it up this morning, I remembered that he received no result and am pointing out that it was unreliable anyway.

He claimed to not have recieved results directly, he also said that the results could be posted in the night scene or given to someone else.

2) I take the fact that he didn't receive an answer to mean that he didn't receive an answer from the mod.

, yes but if he really didn't why do you think that is?

I'll rephrase, how many people here STARTED the game with an artifact with the words "of the diviner" in the name? Depending on the answer I get from this, I'm thinking I could in good confidence point out at least one scum.

I don't like this quesiton either. Both claimed Diviner artifacts so far have been coppish roles and it feels like outguessing the mod at best.

What? I am just asking to see how many are suposedly in existence.
I also want to see if there is any further proof that your current artifact exists.

P.S. I have my reasons, which I will reveal soon, for asking all of this.

[Coron]

vote: Nai

[Nai]

And yay, we're back to this. Is there any reason you're still voting for me, Coron? If there is, could you elaborate instead of just voting?

[Coron]

Nothing has changed since yesterday.

[Nai]

Except for me using the artifact I said I had that stopped all actions?

Speaking of, I might be able to prove something here. Since you would have to pass your artifact anyways: If you had an ability that would warrent a response (cop, roleblock, etc.), did your ability work last night? I'm only looking for a yes or no, no other information.

[Coron]

You mean like a role ability or an artifact?

Nai, I didn't strongly doubt yesterday that you could stop all actions for one night.