Mini 380: Artifacts- Game over

[Zindaras]

You've misinterpreted my claim. I said it was not one-time use only, so not

one-use per game

. It is, of course, one-use per player, which is obviously why I didn't use it.

I intend to pass it to ShadowLurker tonight, obviously.

[Zindaras]

Also, I'd really like a deadline extension because it's pretty mean to be lynched over a misinterpretation and discussion is pretty good.

[Coron]

Nai, that looks sort of like intentional misinterpretation.

unvote vote: Nai

[Zindaras]

Coron, your opinion is appreciated, but a vote for Nai is, at the moment, completely irrelvant, if the deadline isn't extended.

[Coron]

So is a vote for everyone who is scum according to you. I am not suspicious of the people on either wagons much, so I won't be voting for either of those. I've found that if you can find support for a wagon near deadline you CAN get it going in a short period of time.

[Zindaras]

Fair enough. I guess I'll just have to hope for a deadline extension, then.

[Zindaras]

EBWOP: I do, in fact, believe that Apeiron is scum, by the way.

[Nai]

It wasn't an intentional misinterpretation. I just didn't see the possibility of that meaning of those words. I guess I'm not in the mindset of this game right now, where "One-use" means "One use ever for everyone" and not just "One use for you".

Unvote.

[Kelly Chen]

Coron trying to defend Zindaras. FOS: Nai though.

Zindaras promises he truly believes the scum suspects he provides.

Zindaras, why is it so obvious that you'll pass your msg artifact to ShadowLurker when you believe he's scum?

[Kelly Chen]

Actually I'm not sure what Coron is doing.

[Coron]

Trying to lynch scum. Sorry is that wrong?

[Norinel]

Mod:

Can we please get a deadline extension since discussion has picked up?

Discussion did pick up, but I think it's more due to there still being an imminent threat of deadline than anything else. So I'll extend the deadline to Tuesday (Same time as this post), and we'll go from there.

[Nightfall]

You've misinterpreted my claim. I said it was not one-time use only, so not

one-use per game

. It is, of course, one-use per player, which is obviously why I didn't use it.

I intend to pass it to ShadowLurker tonight, obviously.

If you intend to pass it on tonight, would it not have been in some way beneficial to send someone a message in a previous night?

P.S. Do you know if the recipient of the message is told who sent it to them?

[Nightfall]

Mod:

Can we please get a deadline extension since discussion has picked up?

Discussion did pick up, but I think it's more due to there still being an imminent threat of deadline than anything else. So I'll extend the deadline to Tuesday (Same time as this post), and we'll go from there.

To be honest it's more because of Zind's artifact claim for me. Mind you, the deadline is what brought that about... 8)

[Zindaras]

Coron trying to defend Zindaras. FOS: Nai though.

Zindaras promises he truly believes the scum suspects he provides.

Zindaras, why is it so obvious that you'll pass your msg artifact to ShadowLurker when you believe he's scum?

Because apparently most people believe he's the Cop. Besides, he can't just go and fake a target, I think.

If you intend to pass it on tonight, would it not have been in some way beneficial to send someone a message in a previous night?

What am I going to send? "Hi, I like kittens"? I did not know that there was going to be a Cop claim and I wanted to be able to use it whenever I wanted to. Sure, if I had known that there was going to be a Cop claim (and I was going to pass it next night), I probably could've figured out a message to send, but I obviously didn't know that.

I'll make sure to write someone a nice little message before passing my artifact tonight (I do believe I can do that, though the passing and using rules somewhat confuzzle me).

P.S. Do you know if the recipient of the message is told who sent it to them?

Yes. They don't. I'd say that's pretty obvious.

[ShadowLurker]

I still don't see the usefulness of Zindaras' artifact.

Even if I have it, I can't use both the Cop and the Message Sender artifact the same night, so it's pointless and if I use the Cop, then I can announce it in the day if I still survive. I don't think it's particularly indicative of alignment either so I still think Zindaras is one of our better lynches.

I'm disconcertened by Apieron's disappearance under threat of a deadline and while I believe Jules is town, Apieron's activity is unacceptable. I still would not like an Apieron lynch today.

Mod: Can we get a prod on Apieron?

Grr. I hate deadlines. We need to decide on a person to lynch at the moment. I'm, unfortunately, not sold on any particular person right now.

I think that puts the hammer on Zindaras's claim for me. I'm fairly sure the mod said (post 2, wasn't it?) that:

If the description starts with "You may" means each player may use that artifact once. If it starts with "Once in the game, you may", that's once for the artifact for the entire game; once it's been used, the artifact either becomes useless or disappears.

There is no evidence of any artifact able to be used more than once by the same person. So either Zindaras is lying, methinks, or it's a role and Zindaras is STILL lying.

Unvote, Vote Zindaras

While Nai has always appeared more townie than scum for me, the discrepancy between these two posts is shocking and it looked like a quick jump under deadline. Nai makes it sound like in his 2nd post that he was suspecting Zindaras all along while in his other post on the same page he had not expressed suspicion of anyone at all. Nai moved way up on my suspicion list for this action and I might even move my vote.


GL seems to have disppeared as well.

Mod: Can we get a prod on GL?

Has Bogre even posted this game?

Mod: Can we get a prod on Bogre?

People who I 'm considering for a vote today
Zindaras
Nai

People who I wouldn't mind pressuring tommorow
Bogre
Apeiron (Replacing Jules)
GreenLiquid
Nightfall

People who I think are town
Kelly Chen (Replacing perfect62834)

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

IMO SL just indicated a valid point where Zindara's current plans won't be very effective. Zindaras are there any other benefits you can see from passing your message sender?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Sorry about double post, just noticed something from SL's long post:

People who I 'm considering for a vote today
Zindaras
Nai

People who I wouldn't mind pressuring tommorow
Bogre
Apeiron (Replacing Jules)
GreenLiquid
Nightfall

People who I think are town
Kelly Chen (Replacing perfect62834)

Why leave off me and Coron?

[ShadowLurker]

Sorry about double post, just noticed something from SL's long post:

People who I 'm considering for a vote today
Zindaras
Nai

People who I wouldn't mind pressuring tommorow
Bogre
Apeiron (Replacing Jules)
GreenLiquid
Nightfall

People who I think are town
Kelly Chen (Replacing perfect62834)

Why leave off me and Coron?

As you're both in a grey area? I didn't like your predecessor too much but I like you and haven't really gotten any good reads on Coron plus I could see both Coron scum and Coron town regardless of the alignment of Nai.

[Nai]

Those posts are 24 posts and 6 days apart. I think I'm allowed to change my mind, considering things change. Also between those posts was Zindaras' claim, which was a big deal. No, I didn't particularly suspect him. But since I misread his claim, it made him jump higher than anyone else on my list.

[Nightfall]

P.S. Do you know if the recipient of the message is told who sent it to them?

Yes. They don't. I'd say that's pretty obvious.

Why would that be pretty obvious?
If someone got a message about someone being town or scum, how would they know that it came from a trustable source?

[Zindaras]

IMO SL just indicated a valid point where Zindara's current plans won't be very effective. Zindaras are there any other benefits you can see from passing your message sender?

The Cop can send the message the Night after he investigated to keep the investigation results from the hands of the Mafia.

The entirety of the plan goes a bit like this.

Player A is the Cop. On Night X, he investigates Player B and finds him to be innocent and receives my artifact. He passes the Cop artifact to Player C.

On Night X+1, Player A can use my artifact to send a message with the name of the innocent investigation to someone he thinks is town and passes my artifact to Player C. In the meanwhile, Player C investigates Player D.

And so on and so on.

[Zindaras]

Why would that be pretty obvious?

Message-senders never do.

If someone got a message about someone being town or scum, how would they know that it came from a trustable source?

They won't, obviously.

[Apeiron]

There's nothing wrong with my activity, and there's absolutely no reason to doubt my allegiance, so please stop telling lies like that.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

double unvote

, at this point I like Bogre and GreenLiquid more and more now, and leaning more towards Bogre.