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Mini 456: Ultimatum Mafia - Game Over!

Post Post #0 (isolation #0) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:31 am

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Mini 465: Ultimatum Mafia


co-mod: Guardian

(an experimental game with a speed mafia/duel mafia setup...thereby also being open role and nightless)

Note: Please read ALL rules carefully (they're in the next post) because this game involves different mechanisms.


Primary election season is here in the land of the Federated States of Organized Crime and Lycanthropes and this year's crop of candidates comprise of three liberals, three conservatives and six minor-party candidates. While the minor-party candidates would just love to have the election as is right now and hope for the best in a run-off election, the liberals and conservatives would rather pummel all their opponent party candidates right now in debate and embarrass them off the ballot. Now everyone wants to challenge other candidates in televised debate and embarrass others with their mastery of debate. However, everyone knows that trying to humiliate an opponent in a group debate is not as effective as challenging your opponent to a one-on-one no-holds-barred steel-cage debate.

During each gameday, one player will step up to the podium and challenge an opponent to a government-sponsored debate. The ultimatum has been set. Everyone else must vote to save the challenger or the opponent. Once you have voted for one candidate
to win the debate
that cycle, there is no unvoting.
Failure to vote before deadline each game cycle will likely result in modkill.
The loser of the debate will embarrass himself on national media and will remove himself from the primary ballot. The game ends when either the liberals or conservatives equal/outnumber all other candidates or when the minor party candidates are the only ones on the ballot. So let the televised debates begin!

Each lynch cycle (8 days) is split into two parts: a challenge period and a voting period. There are two different deadlines that must be met for each cycle. As noted before, there must be one lynch every 8 days*. There is also a deadline to challenge. There must be one challenge within 4-5 days of the last lynch. If no one has volunteered to challenge by the deadline to challenge, the person who has the least recent post at that point will be forced to challenge. The deadline to challenge has already been randomized and will always occur at some moment on the 4th or 5th day of the cycle. A person who has been forced to challenge must name his/her opponent within 36 hrs of being chosen or else s/he will be automatically lynched. Basically, if you don't post or participate within deadlines (unless advance notification has been given), you will likely be killed. If you do not think you can post every 24 hrs, this game is probably not for you.
Before the deadline, everyone must vote for who they want to save and there is no unvoting
. A plurality (not a majority) of votes will save a player from lynch, and thus the other person will be lynched. If there is a tie vote, then the final vote cast will be disregarded to determine who will be lynched.

Game Status: Please see Page 26 for roles.


Still on the ballot

Albert B. Rampage (r. SpinWizard)
Battle Mage* (r. DanMonkey)
Carrotcake
DeanWinchester
dylan41985
mneme
Mr Stoofer
Sparks
Stewie
The Fonz
VanDamien
Yosarian2

Off hanging like a chad


+challenged last round and is not eligible to challenge this round
*total challenges - see rules for getting to third challenge
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Post Post #1 (isolation #1) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 10:59 am

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Because of the strict deadlines, prodding will occur often via MafiaScum Private Messaging (PMs). If you would prefer that we prod you through email, please send us your email address before the game.

Here is a guideline for a normal cycle:


1 - discussion, free to challenge
2 - discussion, free to challenge
3 - discussion, free to challenge
4 - the deadline to challenge may occur at any moment
5 - the deadline to challenge may occur at any moment
6 - challenge has already been set, voting is occurring
7 - voting
8 - all votes must be in by end of day or modkill occurs

Rules


• Each game day, one player must volunteer to challenge another player of being anti-town. Challenges must in bold.
Challenge: Pablito
. Once a challenge has been made, it can not be revoked. Only the first challenge during a day counts. There are rules which limit the frequency of your challenges, which may invalidate it, however. A player may not challenge within two consecutive cycles. Before you can make your third challenge, everyone still in the game must have already been the Challenger at least once.

• A Challenge must be made within 4-5 days of the last lynch. If no one has volunteered to be the Challenger, then the person with the least recent post at deadline will be named the Challenger. That person must then name his/her opponent within 36 hours of being chosen as Challenger. Failure to do so will lead to an automatic lynch.

• If a challenge is deemed valid, then the Ultimatum has been set. Every player (except the Challenger and Opponent) must vote for either the Challenger or his Opponent to survive. All votes must be in bold.
Vote: Guardian
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no unvoting and please do not confirm vote
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Everyone must vote before deadline.


• Lynches will require a simple plurality of votes. If the count ends in a tie, the last vote will be disregarded and the person with lfewer votes will be lynched. If at deadline a player has not yet voted by the 8-day deadline, he will be modkilled. A player will NOT be replaced during the voting period (there are measures to assist with voting, for those that have notified that they will be absent). Each day will last a maximum of 8 days unless there was a forced challenge, in which case the deadline will be announced.

• Once all players have voted, I will formally post a final vote count. If I do not formally post a final vote count, assume that the lynch has already occurred and deadlines reset. Once you have been lynched, you may no longer post,
not even a "bah" post
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• Do not edit/delete any previous submitted posts. Do not use invisible text or color=black.

• Do not quote any PMs from me, or anything from outside the game. The game is not to be discussed outside of the thread.

• Please try to post at least once per day. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period, please post a notice to that effect in the thread and PM me ASAP. If you do not post within a 72-hour period, you may be replaced without notice. Treat this game as a commitment and be considerate. If you know you will have limited access during the game, notify me as soon as possible and we will see if we can continue in your absence as the voting process can be automated.

• I am your mod. Guardian is your co-mod. Anything we say goes. PM us if you have any questions.

Please confirm by PM. Mafia may talk to each other before the game begins. Once all confirms are in, we will begin shortly thereafter.
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Post Post #2 (isolation #2) » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:01 am

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liberal mafia x3 wrote:You are
the liberal mafia with AAA and CCC.
You may talk with your fellow mafia until the game starts. The game will start 24 hours after the last confirm is in. I will notify you when this occurs. You may
NOT
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Win condition: The liberal mafia is alive and outnumbers or equals all others still in the game.

Please confirm by PM
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conservative mafia x3 wrote:You are
the conservative mafia with XXX and ZZZ.
You may talk with your fellow mafia until the game starts. The game will start 24 hours after the last confirm is in. I will notify you when this occurs. You may
NOT
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Win condition: The conservative mafia is alive and outnumbers or equals all others still in the game.

Please confirm by PM
.

minor-party townie x6 wrote:You are a townie candidate from a minor political party. You are not allowed to communicate with any of the other players outside the thread.

Win Condition: You win with the Town when all evil is gone.

Please confirm by PM
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Post Post #3 (isolation #3) » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:37 am

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All confirms are in. The game will begin in at least 24 hrs.
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Post Post #5 (isolation #4) » Thu Jun 07, 2007 12:10 am

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Deadline to Challenge: randomized moment between June 11th-12th
Deadline to Lynch: June 16th 23:59 EDT


We are operating to the minute on the Eastern Daylight Standard Time system out of convenience to the mods. It is now 7:10 am on June 7th in EDT. Please note the time difference to your time zone and adjust your deadlines accordingly. If there's an overwhelming number of players in GMT or Aussie time or something, let me know and I'll post the numbers for those time zones as well. Otherwise, please do your math.

Both I and Guardian, my co-mod, will regularly notify you of pertinent deadlines.

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Post Post #60 (isolation #5) » Fri Jun 08, 2007 11:39 am

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The mods will not publicly acknowledge any public requests at all unless I feel that it is something that should/would have been announced before the game began.
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Post Post #102 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 09, 2007 7:06 pm

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BTW, if you guys are going to bold your nomination system actions during the challenge phase, then please make sure that the actual challenge is very visible, so we can see the challenge happen.
That report was mandated by the federal elections committee. The FEC. You make my life miserable, by forcing underground radio to certain standards in order to stay on the air. I just wish that you government types allow us to say what ever we want on the radio. Over here, we're going to cover the elections in an exciting fashion. We are going to make voodoo dolls of all the candidates and throw them into a lion pit at the FSOCL zoo to see which one the lions vomit up first. That will be the candidate we refuse to support. If we had enough funding, we'll just throw the actual candidates in the lion's den, like a gladiator fight. We'll return to the airwaves later, but the police are knocking on the station door right now.
Deadline to Challenge: randomized moment between June 11th-12th
Deadline to Lynch: June 16th 23:59 EDT
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Post Post #112 (isolation #7) » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:07 am

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According to our prod schedule, several have been sent prods.
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Post Post #118 (isolation #8) » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:22 am

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Sparks has challenged dylan41985.


The other ten of you must vote on who
you want to survive the debate
. Please choose for you want to win and remain in the game.

Deadline for all votes is: 23:59 EDT 16th of June.

Everyone must vote and you cannot unvote.
Please do not "confirm" your vote. You get one chance to vote, and that is it. Failure to vote will result in modkill. There will be no replacements until someone is lynched.

Whoever receives fewer votes will be lynched. Tie votes will result in the last vote being subtracted. A simple plurality of votes will lead to one person being saved.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #9) » Tue Jun 12, 2007 5:29 pm

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Deadline to Challenge: Sparks challenged dylan41985
Deadline to Lynch: June 16th 23:59 EDT


Underground Radio report:

Since the government refuses to acknowledge the presence of reality tv contests, we will. Much like last year's deathmatch idol contest, the first debate in this year's elections reflects the makeup of the final battle there. While randomly selected citizens Jordin and Blake sang for their lives, we saw the perky little curly haired girl sing her heart out to the coronation single whereas the blond beatboxer attempted to sing without using a single word. We'll see if the FSOCL debate results match the original deathmatch idol contest. It's highly doubtful as both singers in deathmatch idol died in a match of russian roulette.

Votes for Support

Sparks
(0):
dylan41985
(1): DanMonkey

Still to vote (9): Carrotcake, DeanWinchester, mneme, Mr Stoofer, SpinWizard, Stewie, The Fonz, VanDamien, Yosarian2


Please remember that you cannot unvote and you must vote before deadline or you will be modkilled.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:47 am

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There will be a slight tweak the rules regarding replacement.

The original "no replacement during voting phase" was set because I did not want players that replaced in to have to choose a stance and vote immediately before deadline upon replacing in. I didn't expect a player that already voted would need to be replaced (DanMonkey), but it has happened. Since DanMonkey has already voted and is obviously not coming back, I feel that it would be alright if his replacement comes in immediately. Furthermore if a player who has already voted and needs to be replaced due to extreme circumstances (family health in DanMonkey's case), this replacement can occur. However, all other replacements that do not fall in the above category will only occur during the challenge phase. Notice that because of the replacement rules, modkills may occur more often than replacement.

I will stress that the replacement (ryan) for DanMonkey has no obligation to speak at this moment or contribute until the end of this current cycle, but he may start contributing immediately if he wishes, if he feels it is to his advantage. Players that replace in will not be able to speak with any other players via PM as all mafia cannot PM each other once the game began even if their predecessor was able to (according to the role PMs on the front page).

Therefore, welcome ryan who replaces DanMonkey (who had already requested replacement a while ago). ryan must stick with DanMonkey's vote no matter what as per rules of no unvoting.
ryan pulled out.
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Post Post #203 (isolation #11) » Thu Jun 14, 2007 8:02 am

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Strike that, DanMonkey has not been replaced by ryan, but I'm sure a replacement will come quickly. Same rules apply.
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Post Post #222 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:16 am

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Waiting on Carrotcake´s vote...He has a few hours left.
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Post Post #224 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:10 pm

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The underground news reporting the lastest political happenings here at the FSOCL. After a tight debate on the issue of legislation regarding the composition and minor key of all coronation songs and promotional music, dylan came out victorious on the issue of making sure that crappy feel good songs are not too sugary sweet. Sparks originally took the issue that all songs needed to change and include 98% more aspartame as well. The initial public fell more in love with dylan´s plan to detoxify the issue of saccharine sing-songy anthems for the FSOCL. Sparks was too liberal on this issue and thus had fewer votes for support but only failing by one single vote.

That single vote was held by Carrotcake who could have made the election a physical but failed tie. Carrotcake was found missing and failed to vote in this week´s primary election. Thus, according to government regulation, Carrotcake was taken to a bakery over in Ovenlandia and forced to eat seven gallons of frosting. Carrotcake was then later air-dropped in the nation of the United Starving States of Persuasive and Saddening Sally Struthers Commercials (USSPSSSC) where small children who previously had no food can now snack on frosting-filled Carrotcake. Carrotcake was liberal mafia.

Final Votes to Support

Sparks (4):
mneme, The Fonz, VanDamien, DeanWinchester
dylan41985 (5):
DanMonkey, Mr Stoofer, SpinWizard, Stewie, Yosarian2

Carrotcake failed to vote and is modkilled. He was liberal mafia.

dylan41985 garnered more votes and was saved in the debate. Thus, Sparks was lynched. She was liberal mafia.

Cycle continues onward, with same deadlines set.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #14) » Tue Jun 19, 2007 5:08 am

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Many thanks to Albert B. Rampage who will replace SpinWizard! He was given role pm and such before the challenge but internet spazzed on me over here before it was completely done.
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Post Post #355 (isolation #15) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:46 am

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Underground news report.

Apparently the government is killing individuals who fail to come out of their houses and vote during the primary season despite the horrible weather over in the FSOCL. Plain madness ensues. We would like to announce the errata for the official government news reports. Since they have failed to point out their own errors, we feel it is our duty to revise their reports.

Errata:
Don't worry, we will give them hell for this, and make sure we continue to give you updated coverage on all relevant issues
.
No.

As for you who choose to live here, though
.
Someone chose to live in this country? With the strict immigration laws as they are and the failure to allow any exit for citizens, I doubt anyone has
.
Now the report on the current primary debate status:

Deadline to Lynch - 2359 EDT 24 June 2007

Votes to Save

Battle Mage
(1) - Albert B. Rampage
VanDamien
(2) - mneme, The Fonz

With 8 voters total, the first to four is saved! Failing to vote will result in modkill.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #16) » Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:05 am

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Mr Stoofer wrote:
Mod
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Yes. You must always vote before deadline no matter how the votes stack up.

As we saw in the first cycle, both Sparks and dylan were close in votes. With 10 voters, the first to five would have been saved. With an even number of voters, the tie vote can be broken by eliminating the last vote overall. So Carrotcake´s vote would not have mattered, but still was required to vote. Thus the voting period did continue to deadline even when the result was not in doubt.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #17) » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:28 am

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After a long televised chat over tea and crumpets, it was nice to see everyone come to a general consensus over the future of FSOCL. Apparently, on the issue of putting banana peels in the trash or leaving them on the floor, the country thinks that the stance from Battle Mage of leaving them on the floor is outrageous and not very humorous. They were not amused and voted to support his opponent VanDamien instead. Battle Mage, minor-party candidate has been lynched!

final vote count

Battle Mage
(2): Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2
VanDamien
(6): mneme, The Fonz, Mr Stoofer, dylan41985, Stewie, DeanWinchester

Game Status: Cycle 3 (begins at 22nd June 0:01)
Deadline to Challenge: Sometime between the 25th and 26th
Deadline to Lynch: 23:59 EDT 29th of June
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Post Post #428 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 23, 2007 8:55 am

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DeanWinchester wrote:
MOD: Did VD proxy a CHALLENGE to go to someone who has four noms or more ?
A person who has told us that they are on limited access/vacation can proxy a challenge or a vote in advance, but they cannot proxy in regards to nominations or they cannot proxy anything to a specific person. In other words, someone can send in advance their possible challenge or they can send in advance who they want to save in every single possible situation, but other than that they cannot send anything or proxy anything else in advance.
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Post Post #467 (isolation #19) » Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:49 pm

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Since I won´t be online tonight...

dylan must post in thread who will be his opponent before the stated deadline so that the timestamp shows for everyone. He has been notified of this. If it does not occur by 1:39 am tomorrow morning (7 hrs from now?), please assume that dylan has been modkilled and we will begin with the first day of the next cycle immediately.

[he challenged in time]
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Post Post #496 (isolation #20) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:34 pm

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Game Status: End of Cycle 3
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 29 June 2007


Votes to Save

dylan41985
(0) -
Stewie
(7) - mneme, DeanWinchester, Albert B. Rampage, Mr Stoofer, Yosarian2, The Fonz, VanDamien

VanDamien voted beforehand and noted that he would save Stewie over dylan41985 in such a combination. With seven votes to save, Stewie has been saved.

After the short debate in which dylan41985 started discussing the merits of saving the future of the species of the Dodo bird, the public overwhelmingly decided that the Dodo did not need to be saved and that the political party was not worthwhile. Apparently the public does not find the need to donate political power and time toward such an exotic species of bird.Therefore dylan41985, minor party candidate has been lynched!

New deadlines:

Game Status: Cycle 4
Deadline to Challenge: Sometime between the 3rd and 4th of July (no exceptions for the American holiday)
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 7 July 2007
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Post Post #512 (isolation #21) » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:01 am

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Activity prods have been sent.
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Post Post #554 (isolation #22) » Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:20 am

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With the national government radio commission being less vigilant of the airwaves this week, we at the underground political radio station would like to give you the most wonderful prohibited foreign propoganda in the world. Normally we could never get away with playing something foreign and so liberating, but without the censors being at full power, we may now bring you the wonderful Colombian muse Shakira with her song Las de la intuición. We will play it 24 hours straight because we love Shakira and her hypnotic body and how it tells us how to properly vote. If only the government could pay her to make a video about compulsory voting.

Game Status: Cycle 4
Randomized Deadline to Challenge: 7/4/07 11:51 A.M.
Least recent to post:
Albert B. Rampage

Deadline for Albert B. Rampage to declare Challengee: 7/5/07 11:51 P.M.
Deadline to Lynch: 23:59 7th of July
All times EDT.
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Post Post #569 (isolation #23) » Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:50 am

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Albert B. Rampage
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mneme


The other six of you must vote on who you want to survive the debate. Please vote for whom you want to win the debate and remain in the game.

Deadline for all votes is:
23:59 EDT 7th of July
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Everyone must vote and you cannot unvote. Please do not "confirm" your vote. You get one chance to vote, and that is it. Failure to vote will result in modkill. There will be no replacements until someone is lynched.

Whoever receives fewer votes will be lynched. Tie votes will result in the last vote being subtracted. A simple plurality of votes will lead to one person being saved.
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Post Post #577 (isolation #24) » Fri Jul 06, 2007 6:14 pm

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We would like to inform you that less than 24 hours remain until the end of this game cycle. All voters must vote before the deadline or otherwise be modkilled. The deadline will not be extended for any absences or any other reason at all. Prods have been sent to all those that have not yet voted.

Game Status: Cycle 4
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 7 July 2007


Votes to Save

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(1) - Mr Stoofer
mneme
(0) -

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Post Post #585 (isolation #25) » Sat Jul 07, 2007 6:23 pm

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Game Status: End of Cycle 4
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 7 July 2007


Votes to Save

Albert B. Rampage
(3) - Mr Stoofer, VanDamien, Yosarian2
mneme
(3) - The Fonz, Stewie,
DeanWinchester


As per rules of FSOCL debate primaries, in the case of a tie, the last vote will be disregarded. Therefore, Albert B. Rampage has won the debate!

It appears that the public in FSOCL was widely split on mneme's platform on the concept of making the kareoke Whitney version of I Will Always Love You as the national anthem. It appears that the Dolly Parton version quickly gained support and overrided supporters for mneme. Therefore mneme, minor party candidate has been lynched!

New deadlines:

Game Status: Cycle 5
Deadline to Challenge: Sometime between the 11th and 12th of July
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 15 July 2007


Reminder: If a member of the conservative mafia is not eliminated by the end of this cycle, the conservatives will equal or outnumber all others and thus will win the game.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #26) » Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:54 pm

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Post Post #605 (isolation #27) » Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:37 am

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The Fonz
has challenged
Mr Stoofer


The other five of you must vote on who you want to survive the debate. Please vote for whom you want to win the debate and remain in the game.

Deadline for all votes is: 23:59 EDT 15th of July.


Everyone must vote and you cannot unvote. Please do not "confirm" your vote. You get one chance to vote, and that is it. Failure to vote will result in modkill. There will be no replacements until someone is lynched.

Whoever receives fewer votes will be lynched. A simple plurality of votes will lead to one person being saved.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #28) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 7:19 am

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Game Status: Cycle 5
Deadline to Lynch - 23:59 EDT 15 July 2007


Votes to Save

The Fonz
(4) - DeanWinchester, Stewie, Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2
Mr Stoofer
(0) -

First to three will win the primary!

Still waiting on VanDamien to vote before deadline.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #29) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:44 pm

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Final Vote Count

The Fonz
(4) - DeanWinchester, Stewie, Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2
Mr Stoofer
(1) - VanDamien

With four votes out of five cast, The Fonz has won the fifth debate in this election season. Newspapers reported that the extremely one sided debate was awkward and misfocused. After each question on the major issues such as health care, education and taxes, minor party candidate Mr Stoofer of the Clint Eastwood party kept switching the subject to his party's singular platform of increasing funding into research of improving plastic bags to be able to contain organic sources of light. Audience members were extremely confused but impressed when after being asked "What can your political party do for the country on the issue of hiring more history teachers for the school?" Mr Stoofer began "History won't be an important subject in the education system if we can't innovate new sources of technology today. And speaking of science innovation, we should try to figure out what exactly we can do on the issue of how I can have sunshine in a bag..." It appears that FSOCL voters eventually tired of the routine and handily gave the primary over to The Fonz.

With only six candidates left in the primary season in the Federated States of Organized Crime and Lycanthropes, it became evident that the voters were clearly behind the conservative party. With three conservatives surviving in the primary season against one liberal candidate and two minor party candidates, the rest of the primary did not make a difference as the conservatives could no longer lose the election. But conservatives as they normally are impatient for the primary season to end, decided to take things in their own hands.

Albert B. Rampage paid off a disc jockey at NUGGI AIR to spread rumours about Stewie calling a fetish hotline about placing light bulbs in nether orifices in the body. Upon the news breaking, Stewie, of the Kill Lois minor political party, dropped out of the election. Simultaneously, Yosarian2 managed to scare minor party candidate DeanWinchester of the Supernatural Fan Club Party out of the race. Yosarian2 dressed up as a demon and hid in DeanWinchester's bedroom. The next morning, DeanWinchester went into isolation in his car and thus dropped out of the election. Finally, The Fonz paid a hit man to run up to VanDamien after figure skating practice and strike VanDamien's knee. However, the hit man failed and VanDamien went home scot-free. Nonetheless, VanDamien felt extremely outnumbered and did not feel like keeping up the charade and officially dropped out of the election as well.

Only the Conservative Mafia (Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2, and The Fonz) remain and thus have won the game!

Night choices and role PMs will not follow.

Please give feedback on the setup, mechanics and rules. There were heavy discussions between Guardian on I on certain things we weren't sure about such as the randomized deadline, the eight-day cycle, no replacements in the voting phase, the idea about "confirming votes", voting to save vs. voting to lynch, the challenge limit rules, etc. I am sure you guys have comments.

Also, if this setup were to run again, what changes do you think should be made? Or if applicable, do you think this setup should not be run again?

Again, congratulations to the Conservative Mafia for winning!
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Post Post #643 (isolation #30) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:56 pm

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In case you need it:

Liberals = Sparks, Carrotcake, VanDamien
Conservatives = Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2, The Fonz
Minor Party Candidates = Battle Mage, DeanWinchester, dylan41985, mneme, Mr Stoofer, Stewie
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Post Post #646 (isolation #31) » Thu Jul 12, 2007 4:58 pm

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Albert B. Rampage wrote:First page needs to be edited to have only conservatives alive :P

Hey what were the reasoning behind some of the rules ? No unvoting, strict randomized deadline, etc.
At end of game, I clean the first post in case someone wants to read without being spoiled.

No unvoting was because the game was about the challenge, you either choose one person or the other and you stick with it. I thought that game could easily be manipulated by scum if there were unvoting in a challenge situation. Scum bussing had to be more concrete and less wishy-washy.

Strict deadlines was because I thought the game could quickly turn into Bad Idea II again where discussion was little and the town frequently tried to get one specific person to challenge another person and waited ages until it happened. With deadlines preset, I hoped that the game couldn't be all about the town forcing one person to challenge a second person. I hoped that it would make people have to take more unilateral decision making rather than trying to wait for a full consensus.

Also, as stated before, Mr Stoofer sent in his challenge for Yos and thus would not have been modkilled unless someone decided to challenge someone other than Mr Stoofer (and he had not come back in time to vote). The deadline for challenge in cycle 5 was about 11:52 am, so The Fonz beat the Stoof vs. Yos possibility by quite a few hours.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #32) » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:58 am

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I suppose I won't run the sequel immediately as planned. Although if anyone in the future wants to run this again, I suggest the following changes:

The only absolutely necessary change is how to deal with an even number of voters to resolve ties. Time-based tie resolutions were not the best way to handle it. I think instead a tie should favour the attacker. Thus with six voters, it would require 4 votes to save the defender/opponent to get rid of the attacker.

If the game is auto-deadlined (and I think it should be), it should be 15 days to 30 days per gameday. 8 was way too few. Randomized deadlines did prevent last minute spamming to avoid having to challenge, but it did not prevent strategic posting times. I think at one point Yos was on deck but managed to post in time and the deadline fell to dylan instead. I think strategic lurking would not be as much of a problem as I anticipated. And the town would likely deal with lurking on their own terms and didn't need a rule to help prevent it. Deadlines ended up harming the town more than the challenge system hurt mafia.

The cannot challenge consecutively and cannot challenge for the third time unless all have challenged rules were to prevent one uber-townie from challenging every single person and winning every single challenge. I thought it was the breaking strategy for the game. ie: let's lynch everyone except for A and B.

Any nightless vanilla setup 4:8, 3:3:6, etc. works. I think a day and night cycle could work as well. I was starting to devise one (big brother themed actually) but realized I don't have the time or motivation to play or mod another game in the future.

Thanks for the game guys, and I really appreciate how much effort you put in the game and how much process discussion was used as well.
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