Mini 456: Ultimatum Mafia - Game Over!

[dylan41985]

i also agree

[dylan41985]

nominate DeanWinchester

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[dylan41985]

Everytime Sparks gives a long, complex analysis of the game, I get more suspicious.

P.S. I am here, but want to be very cautious before accusing others at this point in the game.

[dylan41985]

wow sparks! Good thing you have your fellow political party members to help you out here.

I'm NOT going out without a fight.

[dylan41985]

I have a few tid-bits to say in my defense.

First, I want to explain my lurking. I have yet to complete a full game of mafia on this site (I'm on my first string of games). I have a lot to learn in terms of persuasive language tactics and how to make comments without sounding suspicious. I started my first mafia game ever as a Newbie a few days before joining this game. I made many, many, many mistakes early in that game and I'll probably be lynched because of them. Those vultures tore up every post I made and accused me repeatedly. THAT is why I wanted to fly under the radar for the first challenge in this game. Oops. Lurking was a mistake also.

However, I pledge to contribute more often with more substantial opinions if I survive this challenge.

Sadly, Sparks and I are not knowingly on the same team in this game. Otherwise we could be working together.

I am here for the good of the town and will be until you drag me out.

[dylan41985]

I believe Sparks is scum because of his hyperactive shouting throughout the game, disrespectful conduct, and using the "easy way out" to nominate me (a Newbie). I don't want to use my naivety as an excuse, but I feel like Sparks is taking advantage of it. His confidence in nominating me may be evidence that he has an alliance to back the vote.

The people who seem pro-town to me are DeanWinchester, Mr. Stoofer, Yosarian2, Stewie, SpinWizard, and mneme.


The Fonz, VanDamien could go either way.

[dylan41985]

No, I haven't completed a full game yet. This is my first.

[dylan41985]

my initial vote for deanwinchester was pretty random

[dylan41985]

yes

[dylan41985]

It wasn't a lie. It was a random vote.

[dylan41985]

My initial nomination and mistakes (regardless of if you think I'm lying or not) are irrelevant at this point because I am the person challenged by Sparks.

But ask yourself this: Was it really fair for Sparks to challenge me this early? What have I done to him? Why was he so eager to challenge me? Isn't that action more suspicious that my behavior?

My theory is that Sparks is scum and anyone voting to save him is

possibly

Spark's secret scum buddy.

Fonz, I really don't know how else to convince you but to say that later in the game you won't regret keeping me here. I can promise you that.

Plus, I'm a vulnerable target for future rounds.

[dylan41985]

and I won't go around making unjustified challenges or nominations

[dylan41985]

no, I didn't have a great reason for my first vote

[dylan41985]

I feel like the underdog in this vote, but it's really close!

[dylan41985]

these are my picks for omafia

liberal: dylan, danmonkey, spinwizard
conservative: stoofy, stewie, yos

I think Sparks' post here will turn out to be helpful to find the last liberal mafia. It's obviously not me because he challenged me and it's very likely not danmonkey or spinwizard because Sparks lied about Carrotcake (and they voted to save me).

We can also eliminate the people who voted to save me (because the other liberal mafia would have voted for Sparks).

That leaves:

DeanWinchester
mneme
The Fonz
VanDamien

One of these is the third liberal mafia.

[dylan41985]

or, maybe we should try to target someone on the conservative mafia to reduce their power in numbers... But that could be anyone at this point.

[dylan41985]

Maybe it's a dangerous assumption because YOU are the third mafia?

[dylan41985]

VanDamien -
While I appreciate your offer to help us, I feel like your proposal is more for your own benefit to stay in the game. If we know you're a mafia, why shouldn't we lynch you?

[dylan41985]

nominate: Van Damien

[dylan41985]

wait sorry, I just reread Fonz's post. are you saying we shouldn't nominate VanDamien?

unnominate Van Damien

[dylan41985]

there's no way a conservative mafia would give himself up as liberal mafia, in my opinion...not when the three of them are still going strong.

and please, PLEASE think again before nominating me. Although this may sound meaningless because I could be lying, I am a townie candidate.

[dylan41985]

I'm trying to go back and study the voting habits of everyone. Don't listen too much to these comments---I'm still trying to figure it out!

My original assumption that Sparks was mafia was correct, but I have a few changes in my opinion about the rest.

VanDamien - liberal mafia (admitted)

It's still really hard to distinguish between conservatives and townies because they're both kind of in the same boat with voting. I wish I could put everyone who keeps accusing me in my mafia list, but I understand that other townies don't know my position.

I believe Spin Wizard, Battlemage and one other person (maybe DeanWinchester) comprise the conservative mafia. The first two I mentioned both voted to save me, which is at least one connection between them.

The Fonz has been the most vocal about finding the mafia and getting rid of them, and he is the one who suggested the valid and pro-town plan to keep Van Damien around...so I think he is a townie.

Mr. Stoofer, Yosarian2, and Stewie and mneme still appear to be pro-town to me - maybe that's because I don't see many similarities in the way they're voting. Also, The Fonz (who I believe is innocent) and some of those mentioned above were initially supportive of nominating DeanWinchester and were also quick to correctly suspect Sparks as mafia.

[dylan41985]

ooh yikes. It doesn't make sense to me that Battle Mage would put himself on the chopping block if he was a conservative after many of us agreed to keep Van Damien around.

[dylan41985]

If Battle Mage is a conservative, I don't think he would put himself out there to potentially be voted out if he knows that we want to get rid of one of the conservatives before the last liberal. It's too risky.

but the other possibility is that he is conservative and is confident that his buddies will save him and that the townies will vote out the for-sure mafia (VD).

[dylan41985]

mneme - I don't understand your post 290.

We believe VD is a liberal.
We think it may be best for the town to keep him around for awhile.
Why would a conservative go up against VD knowing that we'll probably vote to save VD?

[dylan41985]

2. You may not have individually expressed a wish to lynch VD, but some of you made the valid point that he could be Conservative-scum. If he is, not only would today be a roaring success mathematically, but it would also give us strong indications of other Conservatives.

BM

I'm trying to picture the possibility of VD being conservative after he said he was liberal. That would mean that there is one other person sitting here who actually is liberal but can't say anything. It's hard to fathom.

[dylan41985]

i'm leaning towards saving Van Damien so he can help the town short-term (next couple of rounds).

BUT I think we all should realize that his "pro-town" offer is also in his best self-interest...he gets to stay here and control the game while we fight with each other. There may come a point where he betrays us.

[dylan41985]

vote: Van Damien

I think this is the fourth vote.

[dylan41985]

for some of the reasons Stoofer provided, but also, I think it is extremely useful to know the truth about one player in the game (I'm trusting you here Van Damien)

[dylan41985]

Dean - why am I scum because I voted to save Van Damien? You did too!

[dylan41985]

If you're going to nominate me, I suggest you revisit the thread and do some research first. Find out who I'm affiliated with, who could be in the mafia with me, etc.

You'll find that there are other players who have more suspicious voting patterns and have more connections with other players than I do.

I plan to survive another challenge.

but in the meantime, I REALLY hope Battle Mage is conservative so that you can see I'm pro-town.

[dylan41985]

Held back until decision was certain? You mean, you suspect me for NOT scummily jumping the gun and ending the day early the way Stoofer and Dylan did?

I was pretty much sold on the idea of keeping Van Damien since The Fonz talked about the benefits, so you can't claim that I was in a rush to end the day.

[dylan41985]

Don't have time to fully read the thread right now, will tonight probably.

My initial reaction is that we should also lynch BM. Going after VD today is pointless and not beneficial to the town.

Well the last thing

you

posted was the above on Tuesday. And then you waited until everyone else voted so you could decide how to vote to make yourself look good.

Don't tell me you don't like

how

I voted... that's an excuse.

[dylan41985]

And if you think I'm guilty because of the previous "bandwagon", you must think I am aligned with a few of the people who voted before me:

mneme, The Fonz, or Stoofer.

And then there were Stewie and you, DeanWinchester. You also joined the bandwagon but were too cowardly to do it when it actually counted.

Yet you still target me.

[dylan41985]

i also agree

This was before I really got into the game.

P.S. I am here, but want to be very cautious before accusing others at this point in the game.

This statement is true. I told you all I go tin trouble for accusing others early in another game.

Then, this entire post:

My initial nomination and mistakes (regardless of if you think I'm lying or not) are irrelevant at this point because I am the person challenged by Sparks.

But ask yourself this: Was it really fair for Sparks to challenge me this early? What have I done to him? Why was he so eager to challenge me? Isn't that action more suspicious that my behavior?

My theory is that Sparks is scum and anyone voting to save him is

possibly

Spark's secret scum buddy.

Fonz, I really don't know how else to convince you but to say that later in the game you won't regret keeping me here. I can promise you that.

Plus, I'm a vulnerable target for future rounds.

One scumtell after another? No. This was just me struggling to defend myself.

My promise to the Fonz that he won't regret keeping me here shouldn't be overanalyzed in regards to the fact that there are no other roles. I knew that. I was just trying to appeal to his competitive side. I think it's fair to say both mafia and townies would do that...and mafia might even avoid it because it sounds fishy.

I unnominated Van Damien after Fonz presented the strategy that it would help us to keep him here. I said I think the Fonz is town, so why wouldn't I listen to his plan?

Fonz, you say that I first defend Battle Mage and then lynch him. What's wrong with that? What is scummy about that? I ultimately made a bad decision, but so did a lot of people - and I was the final vote that counted.

[dylan41985]

Albert, I don't think mneme is scum at the moment, but do you want to convince me?

[dylan41985]

Hey everyone - I want you all to know that I'm going to be out of town next week, so I won't be posting very much, if at all.

Thus, if I'm challenged, my past posts will have to speak for themselves (because they're all so convincing and wonderful). I won't be able to speak in my defense. I hope you will somehow, someway come to the conclusion that I'm a townie by analyzing my posts.

I might have a little internet access, but I don't know yet.

Goodbye for now

[dylan41985]

HA! Sorry to disappoint the many of you who wanted me DEAD, but I am here to challenge the people I think are conservatives.

It was fate for this town that I was able to get my first internet access right now, so soon before I was to be modkilled.

I still don't have much time to explain, but I am going to

Challenge: Stewie

. I believe he is in the mafia with

Stoofer

.

Stewie and Stoofer have shared a lot of the same moves in this game, which is one reason why I believe they're working together.

It's a possibility that not many people have mentioned. I have been scared to say anything about Stewie or accuse either of them for fear that they would both attack me.

Town, I am sending you a passionate message to save me this week. I am innocent. I am working with no one. If you think I'm a conservative...I want you to look back and think about who I am working with. There is no one who supports me in this game. AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT "partners throwing each other under the bus!"

The five people who voted to save me in the first elimination were BattleMage, Stoofer, Albert/Spin Wizard, Stewie, and Yosarian.

It is my strong belief that most mafia alliances vote together in the first round, because it's not suspicious and stinks to be voted out first. If I were a conservative, it would be safe to assume that people in the group above would be part of my team. However, I voted to kill BattleMage and I am challenging Stewie now. Stewie and Yosarian have not been afraid to nominate me, even when it was close. They all hate me and gang up to nominate me and make me look horrible.

I think Stewie has played a pretty quiet game...being very careful not to show his alliances with many people.

Please, please, please vote to save me because I'm a townie!!!!!

[dylan41985]

go after stoofer and stewie...seriously

[dylan41985]

I think either memne or Yosarian is conserv with S & S

ciao everyone!