Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

mastin2 · Post Post #625 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:40 pm

Hey, there's nothing different in this VC!
Why did I even make it?

...Well, because I am MOD, and what I do is what I please!

Eighteenth Votecount

:

ProHawk - 3 (shos, istott, Mathdino)

Mathdino - 2 (ProHawk, Bulbazak)

Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not voting - 4 (EddieFenix, Voidedmafia, DrippingGoofBall, ika)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.
Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount (none)

Last votecount was page 25, post 617.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

istott · Post Post #626 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:57 pm

In post 620, istott wrote:

<<< The best part of the image is the flexibility behind the meaning of the words. There are at least three different ways that could be read:
"I must move with great speed",
"I must go without eating",
And, "*gripping nether-regions* I gotta GO. Fast!"

Now tell me, which do you think a hydra-slipping Sonic is? >>>

I legit laughed for half a minute.
Thank you so much, mastin.
It would have to be number one though.

shos · Post Post #627 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:03 pm

Or is it..

Number two?

istott · Post Post #628 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:07 pm

By number two, do you mean number three?

mastin2 · Post Post #629 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:48 pm

In post 626, istott wrote:I legit laughed for half a minute.
Thank you so much, mastin.

I aim to please!

<<< Unfortunately, I have my limits. Much as it's my goal to entertain you, it's nearly 3 AM again, and this time I actually AM tired. So in addition to needing to go to bed so that Voided doesn't yell at me

(again)

, I need to go to bed to actually get some sleep. I'm sorry for the inconvenience this will cause, as it means no extended VCs tonight.

...Well, more accurately, I had time for only one; the others will come with luck tomorrow. >>>

mastin2 · Post Post #630 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:15 am

<<< I realize this is probably not the most

ideal

way to deliver the news, but, uh, guys?

You basically have 48 hours to deadline.

Might wanna work on that. >>>

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #631 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:10 am

Don't look at me, I'm not voting.

Some people think my contribution will only lead to a town loss.

You guys better hustle.

mastin2 · Post Post #632 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:38 am

<<< On my part, I will send out a mass-message at approximately 36 hours from deadline (give or take a couple), later tonight. I will be keeping up on votecounts, and while I didn't quite get up to date, these votecounts are now extended. >>>

shos · Post Post #633 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:27 am

In post 616, shos wrote:
In post 593, Mathdino wrote:townread on ProHawk

LOL

I hereby pro-mote a pro-bably pro-town pro-hawk lynch.

<<< This pro-vidence likely could use some pro-gression! >>>

Voidedmafia · Post Post #634 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:31 am

DGB, I don't want you to just not play at all, I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard that you essentially bet the game on you being right or wrong.

Vote: ProHawk

Bulb may yell no, but I simply do not like what he's done so far. If I'm wrong he can freely yell at me all game long.

P-EDIT: How many pro-somethings can you fit in there, Shos?

<<< At least two more! >>>

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #635 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:34 am

In post 634, Voidedmafia wrote:I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard

I'm not even tunneling.

mastin2 · Post Post #636 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:48 am

<<< Since the top of the page currently has no VC, and there's been a slight change since last VC, have this one! (May or may not become an official one.) >>>

Edit:

Oh, heck with it, might as well make it official.

Nineteenth Votecount

:

ProHawk - 4 (shos, istott, Mathdino, Voidedmafia)

Mathdino - 2 (ProHawk, Bulbazak)

Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not voting - 3 (EddieFenix, DrippingGoofBall, ika)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.

Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 26, post 625.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

shos · Post Post #637 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:06 am

I am a pro-fessional and I do not need your help. I have no pro-blems and you are pro-ne to harm my pro-crastination.

<<< Hey! pro-ne is cheating! I am very much a pro-syllables advocate.

>>>

Bulbazak · Post Post #638 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:36 am

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On 'explain yourself':
No, I actually want him to explain himself. He has yet to, thus my vote remains. First it was fake outrage and now it's for appearance?

First, those terms are not incompatible with each other. Second, it absolutely was for show, because if you wanted Fenix to explain something, you would have been very specific about what you wanted him to explain. Saying "explain yourself" essentially boils down to you seeing a behavior that can be called scummy and then calling attention to it in a general noncommittal way in an effort to look town.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On mollie:
I can't see why he would've been concerned with mollie at that point in the game.

Anybody who's played with Mollie would be concerned about her.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On original points:
That's bullshit. He was the first to vote shos, but with no reasoning. You were the first to question shos and Nazarene was the first to actually push him. That vote means nothing.

Rereading that early section of the game, and considering that ProHawk continued to push Shos, meaning the vote wasn't RVS, I'd say that naked vote carried a lot of weight and meaning.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
However, it's all predicated on the idea that ProHawk is town and I'm scum pushing a townsperson.

Nope. My case has nothing to do with my ProHawk read.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Also your comments on the ProHawk wagon are inane: EVERY wagon is either A. Not going to happen and therefore safe, or B. Going to be pushed through by town later on. So what you're telling me is anyone who starts pushing a wagon is scum?

Nope. One of the key aspects to playing scum is learning which wagons to push and which not to push. Some wagons are more dangerous to scum than others. Funny that you're trying to dismiss that fact when its basic mafia theory.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

Furthermore
, you claim that I called the shos wagon a bad one (in response to Nazarene, mind you) before it happened because it was something I'd want to stay away from. Yet AT THE SAME TIME, you're saying that I'm voting ProHawk for being an easy target. This makes no sense.

I did not say that whatsoever. Shos was an easy wagon. Heck, that he seemed to, as you said, be trying to draw votes should have made it obvious that he was a very dangerous wagon to be on as scum. It was very easy to vote Shos, same as it was very easy to vote Guille. Both made what appeared to be super scummy moves, making them easy wagons. ProHawk, however, is not an easy wagon. What I said you were doing was using non-reasons, i.e. easy to fabricate reasons, to push him. Your whole case on him revolves around "fluff", not that you ever explain said fluff. You just say fluff and then whip the rest of the mob into a frenzy. Along with lurking, that's a very easy reason to push a wagon and requires zero commitment. ProHawk as a player required more of an effort to get lynched than Shos, Guille, or Sonic, but when it comes down to it, you're using those easy non-reason cases to push said lynch.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
And on jackel, 221 is where I started defending him. This was after 3 players had already voted him.

True, but that was after you had asked Nazerene for his read and then fence sat like crazy.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:

On deflection:
Like hell that was banter, he responded to my telling him he'd produced nothing by trying to tell everyone that mollie had also produced nothing, and then voted her. And he was blatantly wrong.

His response about Mollie was not to you but Mollie. Given their history, this makes it banter. And if he voted her, then that meant he was scumreading her, which even if he was talking to you, would point to that not being deflection and an actual scumread.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Why would you not explain your townread?

Because I feel like it.

In post 592, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Are you townreading him solely because I'm scumreading him?

Nope, just like I'm not townreading ProHawk simply because you're scumreading him.

In post 593, Mathdino wrote:
In post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
His 'points' are nothing new and his mollie fight early on was utter BS.

I can see how he'd be concerned about Mollie. As for no original points, that's BS, as he was the first to push Shos and provide reasons to vote Jackel.

I forgot the 2nd part. Cause I mean this...
this isn't even true...
You call this (296) reasons to vote jackel?

No. I call that a reason to vote Shos. This is his reason for voting Jackel.

In post 593, Mathdino wrote:
Read his ISO again, Bulba. Your townreads on both him and Fenix are completely unfounded.

I don't think I've given all the reasons why I'm townreading them, but I assure you, they're not unfounded.

In post 593, Mathdino wrote:
I want to reiterate that you're pretty much voting me out of
1. Gut, and
2. Your townread on ProHawk, which is weak as hell.

1.) I haven't been gut reading you since I made the case on you. This is a legitimate scumread.
2.) My read on ProHawk has nothing to do with why I'm voting you, and if you think it did, you should either be accusing me of being scum chainsaw defending ProHawk or scum WKing ProHawk. The fact that you're doing neither is far more telling, as it shows cognitive dissonance.

In post 598, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 576, Bulbazak wrote:In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

HOLY DEMOTIVATION BATMAN

Please someone NK me

UNVOTE:

Here. I'm not voting anyone anymore. Lynch whoever the F you want.

Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

In post 599, Voidedmafia wrote:
I'd believe multi-cop over no sane cop.

No one said anything about an insane cop.

In post 603, ika wrote:
@bulb: you gonna talk to me or jsut vote me?

I'm not voting you atm. Did you want to talk to me?

In post 610, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Wtf is this reasoning? ^

Solid town reasoning.

In post 634, Voidedmafia wrote:
Bulb may yell no, but I simply do not like what he's done so far. If I'm wrong he can freely yell at me all game long.

You're wrong, and this vote is stupid. You're siding with someone who is scum and didn't actually make a case containing any analysis on someone who is town and just provided analysis out of the wazoo. Out of the two, which sounds more like scumhunting to you?

ika · Post Post #639 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:39 am

SHOOOSSSSSSS

should i go full ika mode for day 1? you didnt answer it and i want to knwo if i should

pedit:

@bulb: lete me rephrase: you were voting me at one point

yes i want to talk with you. seeing how you are also a player who like mecanics and what i would say "non-normal" what you think the setup is? i want to break this game into 2.

Bulbazak · Post Post #640 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:48 am

I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

ProHawk · Post Post #641 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:53 am

So guys, I saw at least one question directed toward me and I am headed out the road for a trip out of town (Sorry Naz). Will try to get some time tonight, but no guarantees. If there are any of you fence sitters thinking you want me gone, hurry it up because if I am going to be lynched I need to know sooner rather than later.

Voided, I tunneled on you when you were town, so I guess we can call it even, no yelling involved.

ika · Post Post #642 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:55 am

In post 640, Bulbazak wrote:I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

what about muli-cop/cop insanitie(s) or even backups?

do you think this could be a thinly viled "basic" game (ie, cop+doc vs goon+PR+PR) and then a jumble of random stuff to make it interesting?

what about the idea of no VT and everyone is a PR game?

Bulbazak · Post Post #643 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:58 am

In post 642, ika wrote:
In post 640, Bulbazak wrote:I'm not sure how successful we'd be trying to break the setup, as it seems to be designed in a way to throw us off. I am, however, thinking that scum probably have 1-2 godfathers on their team, with 1 being limited in the case of multiple. I'm definitely not going to blindly play Follow the Cop.

what about muli-cop/cop insanitie(s) or even backups?

do you think this could be a thinly viled "basic" game (ie, cop+doc vs goon+PR+PR) and then a jumble of random stuff to make it interesting?

what about the idea of no VT and everyone is a PR game?

Most of this has occurred to me. There was a reason I made a reference to "There is No Doctor", as I think there may be multiple cops and that Mastin may have made them almost useless just to have fun with us. Anything is possible.

ika · Post Post #644 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:05 pm

fair enough.

anything for me while im around? im gonna be gone in a few

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #645 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:31 pm

In post 638, Bulbazak wrote:Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

As a player that dooms her faction, all I have left to do is "hissy fits." If you want to call it that. I just lost my motivation, deal with it.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #646 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:33 pm

May I interest you in a policy lynch?

Voidedmafia · Post Post #647 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:41 pm

In post 635, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 634, Voidedmafia wrote:I want you to just try not to tunnel on people so hard

I'm not even tunneling.

You aren't

now

, but I'd thank you if you could keep it light if/when it happens.

In post 638, Bulbazak wrote:You're wrong, and this vote is stupid. You're siding with someone who is scum and didn't actually make a case containing any analysis on someone who is town and just provided analysis out of the wazoo. Out of the two, which sounds more like scumhunting to you?

I can accept that Saurus's case is not as solid as I originally expected, and I'm not liking some of his responses to you (for instance, that your case is gut and based on your townread, the former of which I could tell was definitely not true), but neiher am I going to accept what ProHawk has done (or hasn't done, rather) as proof enough to not wagon him. I see words but not

substance

, Bulb, and unless I'm just not looking hard enough (which, honestly, is entirely possible) I can't and won't defend someone that doesn't seem to have the latter to me.

On a related sidenote, Saurus's response feel like they're dipping toward wordage over meaningful rebuttals.

In post 638, Bulbazak wrote:No one said anything about an insane cop.

Istott questioned if there was a normal cop in the game at all. It doesn't have to be strictly insane, but my point was that as of D1 I'd probably believe we had two or more cops in this game than that we had one insane/paranoid/naive/etc. Cop.

In post 645, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 638, Bulbazak wrote:Get over yourself. You've played with me before, and this is not the first time I've expressed this opinion. You didn't throw a hissy fit then. Why are you throwing one now?

As a player that dooms her faction, all I have left to do is "hissy fits." If you want to call it that. I just lost my motivation, deal with it.

Someone says something negative and you automatically go to hissy fit mode? Isn't that more or less proving him right?

In post 641, ProHawk wrote:Voided, I tunneled on you when you were town, so I guess we can call it even, no yelling involved.

1.) Wha game? I don't remember what game(s) we played together.
2.) I'm...not tunneling you?

Bulbazak · Post Post #648 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:47 pm

In post 646, DrippingGoofball wrote:May I interest you in a policy lynch?

If no one will lynch Dino-scum, I will consider a policy lynch. Get it going.

In post 647, Voidedmafia wrote:
On a related sidenote, Saurus's response feel like they're dipping toward wordage over meaningful rebuttals.

Trust that.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #649 (ISO) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 12:57 pm

In post 648, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 646, DrippingGoofball wrote:May I interest you in a policy lynch?

If no one will lynch Dino-scum, I will consider a policy lynch. Get it going.

Then policy lynch me, since that's in the town's best interest.