Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

pirate mollie · Post Post #575 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:47 am

why the fuck did that submit.

as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

anyhoo back to this:

VOTE: voided

I am unsure on prohawk I feel like he is being a lot more muted this game. so i am not seeing how bulba thinks this is his town game. hawk boy said he would do stuff in time so we will see.

Bulbazak · Post Post #576 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:54 am

In post 575, pirate mollie wrote:
as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

So, no Mollie, this is not a discredit. This is a reality. DGB is known for derp tunneling, and if I didn't have such a strong townread on her, I would not be opposed to policy lynching her for the lols. Heck, I still wouldn't object to her lynch.

pirate mollie · Post Post #577 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:13 am

In post 576, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 575, pirate mollie wrote:
as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

So, no Mollie, this is not a discredit. This is a reality. DGB is known for derp tunneling, and if I didn't have such a strong townread on her, I would not be opposed to policy lynching her for the lols. Heck, I still wouldn't object to her lynch.

we tunneled on each other in pikman, in our hydra she pegged 3 scum and in the serene hydra in touhou pegged scum gaiden and sk danny d1 so from

my

experience I see her differently so yeah I think it is a discredit. also in an allstar offsite game she pegged scum!thorella and scum!fate on d1 while every1 else was derping around.

also the more I think about it the more I am really not liking your prohawk townread.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #578 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:26 am

As the mod/co-mod for two of those games, I can back up those assertions. Her tunneling isn't terrible at this point, but it's not something to brush off.

P-edit: Pegging 3 scum is not the same as lynching 3 scum. it is also not enough to offset two counts of misleading the town to a loss/near-loss.

Bulb, perhaps ProHawk is a rather to-the-point kind of person, but that does not excuse the lack of presence from him.

Bulbazak · Post Post #579 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:28 am

In post 577, pirate mollie wrote:
also the more I think about it the more I am really not liking your prohawk townread.

What don't you like?

Nazarene · Post Post #580 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:13 am

In post 572, pirate mollie wrote:okay. so there isn't a cc to sonic boom so whatever.

We prolly won't have one today anyway so

I like voided wagon still
VOTE: voided

I'm telling aegor that although voting sonic is very understandable it's a dumb thing to do right now

Prohawk, let's talk a bit. Why exactly do you feel this is not townshos but instead scumshos imitating his town meta? Subquestions: how familiar are you with shos's meta? and How much variation is there usually in his towngame? and Have you seen.hm manipulate his meta before?

Also, what do you think of the current dino wagon?
-Tier

mastin2 · Post Post #581 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:31 am

Two pages, yet sadly, only half a VC.

Edit:

And now, everyone voting in twos!

Sixteenth Votecount

:

ProHawk - 2 (shos, istott)
EddieFenix - 2 (DrippingGoofBall, Doyouthinkhesaurus)
Doyouthinkhesaurus - 2 (ProHawk, Bulbazak)
Voidedmafia - 2 (pirate mollie, Nazarene)
Sonic Boom - 1 (ika)
ika - 1 (guille2015)
guille2015 - 1 (Sonic Boom)

Not Voting - 2 (EddieFenix, Voidedmafia)

With

13

alive, it's

7

to lynch.
Day One's deadline is Wednesday, November 19th, @ 4:15 PM PST, which is in (expired on 2014-11-19 16:15:00).

Spoiler: Changes from last votecount

Last votecount was page 22, post 532.

Spoiler: Player Vote History D1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology for D1

istott · Post Post #582 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:31 am

I just had an epiphany. Why the hell would mastin put a completely normal cop in this game?
She wouldn't.

Bulbazak · Post Post #583 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:34 am

Why not?

istott · Post Post #584 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:38 am

I may be wrong, but by looking at my role, I have the feeling that a lot of the roles in this game are non-normal, or bastard. My claim of one shot miller actually fits in more thematically than sonic's claim.

pirate mollie · Post Post #585 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:51 am

In post 578, Voidedmafia wrote:As the mod/co-mod for two of those games, I can back up those assertions. Her tunneling isn't terrible at this point, but it's not something to brush off.

P-edit: Pegging 3 scum is not the same as lynching 3 scum. it is also not enough to offset two counts of misleading the town to a loss/near-loss.

Bulb, perhaps ProHawk is a rather to-the-point kind of person, but that does not excuse the lack of presence from him.

those scum were lynched except for the 1 we vigged and mebbe the offsite game I dunno I didn't see how it ended cos the homesite players walls made my eyes literally bleed. we all have our derp moments no1 is infallible. both of you have seen how thorella and I will tunnel each other for 30 pages, we have gotten a bit better tho. I have been on the receiving end of dgb's tunneling fuck been on the receiving end of

your

derp tunneling voided. but I have seen more strong play from her than not and I pay attention to her reads. I am not gonna let you neg on some1 whom I consider to be a strong player. it doesn't seem like you have a large enough sample size from the looks of it. I have seen nacho do the exact same thing but every1 considers him a good player cos body of work he is.

@ bulba - I have a few games with prohawk both forum games and skype. he is far more assertive and aggressive than this. I am a heavy heavy meta player and to me if he is town (and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt) and to me this is very atypical of his town game so i wondering what the hell you are basing your read on.

mastin2 · Post Post #586 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:53 am

<<< As it would by hypocritical of me to prod him on the weekend

(I maaaaaaaaaay have accumulated a prod or two in my games......

)

, I will not be prodding

ika

. However, I

will

be *poking* him to remind him of this game. >>>

shos · Post Post #587 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:53 am

Hey lads,
leave everything behind and step in for a new, awesome journey.

<<< Pfft. Washington

so

totally gets better sunsets than that.
...YES, you ignorant fools, WASHINGTON HAS A SUN, thankyouverymuch, and when it sets it is

gorgeous

. >>>

Now more votes on prohawk, please.

EddieFenix · Post Post #588 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:22 pm

In post 582, istott wrote:I just had an epiphany. Why the hell would mastin put a completely normal cop in this game?
She wouldn't.

Can you be so sure of that? Can you be so sure that there's only 1 cop in the game as well?

Bulbazak · Post Post #589 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 12:36 pm

In post 584, istott wrote:I may be wrong, but by looking at my role, I have the feeling that a lot of the roles in this game are non-normal, or bastard. My claim of one shot miller actually fits in more thematically than sonic's claim.

I see your point, but you're wrong.

In post 585, pirate mollie wrote:
@ bulba - I have a few games with prohawk both forum games and skype. he is far more assertive and aggressive than this. I am a heavy heavy meta player and to me if he is town (and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt) and to me this is very atypical of his town game so i wondering what the hell you are basing your read on.

A little bit of this. A little bit of that. I may explain once I have some food in me.

ProHawk · Post Post #590 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:21 pm

It appears people like walls here. So allow me to wall when I get some free time.

<<< It's a Mastin game. You really that surprised that walls are seen favorably?

>>>

istott · Post Post #591 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:30 pm

In post 588, EddieFenix wrote:
In post 582, istott wrote:I just had an epiphany. Why the hell would mastin put a completely normal cop in this game?
She wouldn't.

Can you be so sure of that? Can you be so sure that there's only 1 cop in the game as well?

I'm not sure. It was just a hunch.

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #592 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:58 pm

In post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
Spoiler: Spoilered in the interest of not quote walling
In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:@Bulba: I wouldn't say there was any outrage or emotion behind 'explain yourself Fenix', haha.

Telling someone to "explain yourself" is a way to make it appear like you're scumhunting. Actual town would have had a more pointed question. Asking someone to explain themselves is vague and noncommittal, and it shows that you're not interested in the answers or figuring that person out as much as you are in putting in the appearance of questioning them.

In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
I believe I agreed that Sonic was being scummy, but A. this makes sense under the lens of him trying to avoid the NK, and B. it's idiotic to vote an un-cc'd cop claim. If you'd like to show me how that's inconsistent, go ahead.

I never said it was inconsistent. I said it was a very convenient stance to take.

In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
His 'points' are nothing new and his mollie fight early on was utter BS.

I can see how he'd be concerned about Mollie. As for no original points, that's BS, as he was the first to push Shos and provide reasons to vote Jackel.

In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
Here's the problem with your issues with me, Bulba. If I stay in the lines of common consensus so much, why, as scum, would I tunnel ProHawk, defend shos, defend Jackel, etc etc? Your summary of my behaviour is inconsistent.

First, I only said that you stayed in the lines of common consensus when it came to Sonic. That had nothing to do with your overall behavior. Second, and in order: As scum, it's your job to push a mislynch, but to stay off of lynches that can point back to you and get you killed. The ProHawk lynch is either A.) not going to happen and is therefore safe or B.) it will be pushed through by town at the last minute, and no one will think to look at you, either because it will be a deadline wagon or because you pushed it in the first place and they are expecting scum somewhere in the middle of the wagon. As for Shos, yes, you were the first one to say the wagon was bad, before it even became a wagon. But again, a good scum player learns to recognize which wagons they should stay away from, and Shos is the definition of an easy wagon, and one that would be extremely dangerous for scum. The same goes for Jackel, although it is not true that you defended him. You actually took your sweet time coming out with a town read, and then, it was only conditionally. You fence sat on that read until everyone else had voiced their opinion, and then you agreed that it would be unwise to lynch him.

In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
A. Deflection. As in, every time I suspect him, he either goes and says "Oh, but mollie's done that more than I have" which isn't even true, or "You're gonna have to stop saying the same thing about me", which is just dumb.

Of your three accusations of deflection, one was him bantering with Mollie early game, and the other two are him telling you that you're tunneling and to essentially screw yourself. That's not deflection. That's confidence. Learn what a term means before you misuse it.

In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
B. Then I would say that your defence of Fenix holds no ground and if you think he's town, might wanna say why and not let him get lynched.

Nope. Not gonna tell you. Now accuse me of deflection.

In post 571, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:It's funny how I predicted this wouldn't be a very case-y game, and now you go and scumread me due to my case. If you don't like cases, just say tl;dr and don't read it. But cases aren't scummy like people like to think.

I never said I don't like cases or that cases or scummy. All I said was that your case is fake and is meant to make you look more town and to fool others into mislynching ProHawk. As I pointed out, your "case" contains zero actual analysis and is just you quoting or linking a post while making a comment, mostly saying fluff, which is a non-reason to vote somebody.

On 'explain yourself':

No, I actually want him to explain himself. He has yet to, thus my vote remains. First it was fake outrage and now it's for appearance?

On mollie:

I can't see why he would've been concerned with mollie at that point in the game.

On original points:

That's bullshit. He was the first to vote shos, but with no reasoning. You were the first to question shos and Nazarene was the first to actually push him. That vote means nothing.

On my behaviour:

Here's the problem with your case on me. It all boils down to 'I'm doing what I do for appearances', which is obviously true of all scum. However, it's all predicated on the idea that ProHawk is town and I'm scum pushing a townsperson. Also your comments on the ProHawk wagon are inane: EVERY wagon is either A. Not going to happen and therefore safe, or B. Going to be pushed through by town later on. So what you're telling me is anyone who starts pushing a wagon is scum?

Furthermore

, you claim that I called the shos wagon a bad one (in response to Nazarene, mind you) before it happened because it was something I'd want to stay away from. Yet AT THE SAME TIME, you're saying that I'm voting ProHawk for being an easy target. This makes no sense.
And on jackel, 221 is where I started defending him. This was after 3 players had already voted him. So basically:

I'm scum for defending shos before the easy wagon even happened. I'm scum for defending jackel WHILE the wagon was happening. I'm scum for going after ProHawk who'll be an easy target/wagon to push. I'm scum for coming to the same conclusions as other people about Sonic. And I'm scum for pushing what you think will be a mislynch while staying off wagons that'll get me killed.
Ya know.
Like a mislynch wagon.

On deflection:

Like hell that was banter, he responded to my telling him he'd produced nothing by trying to tell everyone that mollie had also produced nothing, and then voted her. And he was blatantly wrong.

On Fenix:

It's not deflection because I'm not even suspecting you. Why would you not explain your townread?
Are you townreading him solely because I'm scumreading him?

Mathdino · Post Post #593 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:04 pm

In post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
His 'points' are nothing new and his mollie fight early on was utter BS.

I can see how he'd be concerned about Mollie. As for no original points, that's BS, as he was the first to push Shos and provide reasons to vote Jackel.

I forgot the 2nd part. Cause I mean this...
this isn't even true...
You call this (296) reasons to vote jackel?

Read his ISO again, Bulba. Your townreads on both him and Fenix are completely unfounded.

I want to reiterate that you're pretty much voting me out of
1. Gut, and
2. Your townread on ProHawk, which is weak as hell.

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #594 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:04 pm

In post 593, Mathdino wrote:
In post 573, Bulbazak wrote:
In post 570, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:
His 'points' are nothing new and his mollie fight early on was utter BS.

I can see how he'd be concerned about Mollie. As for no original points, that's BS, as he was the first to push Shos and provide reasons to vote Jackel.

I forgot the 2nd part. Cause I mean this...
this isn't even true...
You call this (296) reasons to vote jackel?

Read his ISO again, Bulba. Your townreads on both him and Fenix are completely unfounded.

I want to reiterate that you're pretty much voting me out of
1. Gut, and
2. Your townread on ProHawk, which is weak as hell.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #595 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:05 pm

Not feeling a Dino lynch. Not today.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #596 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:05 pm

TOO MANY DINOS

Doyouthinkhesaurus · Post Post #597 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:07 pm

@mod: BMWS and I would like to replace this hydra with my main Mathdino account, since he's pretty busy IRL and probably won't be able to catch up or be active.
Lemme know if/when that's okay, or if you want confirmation or something.

<<< Sure thing! I'll make the edits at the first available opportunity. >>>

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #598 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:44 pm

In post 576, Bulbazak wrote:In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

HOLY DEMOTIVATION BATMAN

Please someone NK me

UNVOTE:

Here. I'm not voting anyone anymore. Lynch whoever the F you want.

Voidedmafia · Post Post #599 (ISO) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:20 pm

In post 584, istott wrote:I may be wrong, but by looking at my role, I have the feeling that a lot of the roles in this game are non-normal, or bastard. My claim of one shot miller actually fits in more thematically than sonic's claim.

That doesn't eliminate the possibility of there being a regular cop, just makes it more unlikely.

In post 585, pirate mollie wrote:those scum were lynched except for the 1 we vigged and mebbe the offsite game I dunno I didn't see how it ended cos the homesite players walls made my eyes literally bleed. we all have our derp moments no1 is infallible. both of you have seen how thorella and I will tunnel each other for 30 pages, we have gotten a bit better tho. I have been on the receiving end of dgb's tunneling fuck been on the receiving end of your derp tunneling voided. but I have seen more strong play from her than not and I pay attention to her reads. I am not gonna let you neg on some1 whom I consider to be a strong player. it doesn't seem like you have a large enough sample size from the looks of it. I have seen nacho do the exact same thing but every1 considers him a good player cos body of work he is.

Look, I'm completely willing to give DGB the benefit of the doubt, but you'll have to excuse me if I don't exercise a bit of caution. Not "I'm too scared that it'll happen again so I'll never let it" caution like you professed with me, but "Let's see if it'll happen again this time" caution.

Now, why don't you help me

not

derp-tunnel again and help me figure out how we can work together. Unvoting me would be a plus, but is optional

(I probably should re-read that DDU to figured out why we argued but laaaazzzyyyy.)

In post 588, EddieFenix wrote:Can you be so sure of that? Can you be so sure that there's only 1 cop in the game as well?

I'd believe multi-cop over no sane cop.

In post 595, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not feeling a Dino lynch. Not today.

I agree with DGB, here. Don't think Dino's the lynch today.