Mini 496 - Wild West Mafia. Mod Abandoned

[curiouskarmadog]

Well this is an interesting way to start the game

hello again ryan..

interesting indeed....Adam, got anything to say about this?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: How goes it? I believe we need a little info before we think we've got "an easy first day lynch" I mean it can't be that simple.............can it?

well, it was written by a cop (

who should stay hidden Day 1

), someone cop like, or the mafia.

Odds are mafia...HOWEVER..note this in the introduction...

the face of the Locomotive driver in the saloon that night shook fear into the faces and minds of the community, this was surely only the start.

One of the group however intently listened with interest, he'd learnt something very revealing

.

does this tie in?

[curiouskarmadog]

Regardless, one of my eyes is firmly planted upon Adam and i await his response to this treacherous note.

My other eye however is spinning wildly in Day 1 randomness...

Vote: Thin_Man

because he's the only other player whose name starts with T... how scummy is that?

I await the other players activity and wish you all a fun game . (I haven't played for a year, so I may be rusty ).

PS: @ curiouskarmadog Only conclusions I can draw from that are either we have a SK or it's just flavor. I doubt a role would be revealed so easily in the setting though. The SK is my personal opinion of course, or another role that would be by itself.

it is only "treacherous" if it is true

how could the note tie into a SK?

[curiouskarmadog]

It's treacherous because we don't know if it's true or not. /shrug

Well, I say SK... but I mean any "singular" role... like any neutral role that wouldn't be aligned with the mafia or town. SK is just the most common neutral role. The quote makes me think of someone that's off to the side... by themselves.

I see, not sure why any neutral role would post that though....unless it was some sort of hybrid jester, but I doubt that too.

btw, I think it was smart of Theo to add this to the game, so many times a game starts and there is nothing to go on or nothing to talk about...this is another way to solve that problem...good stuff.

[curiouskarmadog]

I think the best overall action to take with the note is to ignore it until tommorow. If we get another one then we look at what both notes say and compare them for truth.

random vote: pdcakes

I agree, however, I will be disappointed if a.) we do not get another note or b.) we get a different note that says the same thing. At this particular point, the note does little.

Still want to hear from Adam..

[curiouskarmadog]

it could also be a lyncher/miller type of role too...all things remaining constant, I do not think we should act on the note Day 1 (other than discuss it).

[curiouskarmadog]

also keep in mind whoever wrote the letter (for scummy or noble reasons) will probably support doing what the letter indicates Day 1. Keep that in mind, when pointing fingers at whoever thinks we should lynch Adam(ie follow the letter)...personally I think we should keep the letter in mind and see what happens Day 2 (new letter? same letter?)

I am not for a no lynch, I do think anyone here has actually suggested we no lynch, I think it was presented as an option. Lynches are the only way (mostly) that the town can fight back and kill scum. Not to mention, lynching provides tons of information.

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If the notes were dualistic (is that even a word?) in nature than i might agree with...

like if it turns out to be false and we killed a townie then at least we would know not to trust the notes.

but if it turns out he is scum then hey we killed scum.

But, since we don't know if there's just 2 clear cut choices, and since we just have 1 note, there's no reason to test it yet. Even if Adam is scum, that doesn't say that the note(s) are 100% accurate, it may be a scum ploy to sacrifice a player day 1, then they'll say Mafia member #2 is innocent, then random townie 1 is guilty and by that point in the game it may be enough to sway the votes away from the rest of the mafia and give them the 2 or 3 mislynches they need to win.

I do not actually buy this. I am not saying I think the letter is scummy or noble, but if it is scummy I do not think it is scummy for these reasons. Really the "ploy" would only work once. Lets says we end up lynching Adam one day and he is scum and we fall into this "mafia trap"...the next day the mafia leaves a note with a townie's name on it...we lynch that guy and he turns out town....we would no longer believe the notes...I do not think the mafia would trade one of it's members for just one townie..

hmmm...

.....Ok, as I was rereading your post (in the preview), I see your point...the next note could say "x" is town, we would believe the note and look over that person, so it could possibly lead to 2-3 mislynches....

like I said, we should see what tomorrow brings. We should treat Day 1 like every other Day 1 in this game...Adam should fall under the same amount of suspicion (no more no less) that everyone else has to...he should be judged on his actions not this note (YET!) That also means if he displays scum type behavior "today"...he should be lynched like the rest of us.

[curiouskarmadog]

(blink blink)

get a room

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess the difference from other games I have been in versus this one where the no lynch suggestion was brought up, was how it was brought up. Usually people just state "I think we should no lynch" or " I support a no lynch"...this was just an option of several..more alarms would have gone off if people really started pushing a no lynch.

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Actually, pdcakes, I would have to say that you're at the top of my personal scumlist. I say this because you kept the note suggestion around long after it had been dropped by everyone else, and I got the same feeling as Twomz about your shifting position. Even in context it seems like you're flip-flopping. I just can't shake the feeling that you're not telling the truth in your posts. I could be wrong, but that's what I get from it.
The "if" thing, if nothing else, seems to show that you're being overly cautious about what you say and how you say it... possibly a cautious mafia, as was stated earlier.

Unvote: Thin_Man, FOS: pdcakes

. Not the fourth. Not yet.

sort of contradicting yourself here...you think that pdcakes is being a cautious mafia, however, you also claim that he hung to an idea long after everyone else dropped it...does that sound like a cautious mafia to you?..seems to me, a cautious mafia might try to blend...might even join a bandwagon without actually placing a vote...that seems pretty cautious to me.

[curiouskarmadog]

ryan, why arent you out there stirring up conversation? The last game we played together you were out there mixing it up at all costs..because "that was your play style"..why so quiet now?

[curiouskarmadog]

ryan, why arent you out there stirring up conversation? The last game we played together you were out there mixing it up at all costs..because "that was your play style"..why so quiet now?

I haven't seen anything that I can jump on yet.

hmm, well there is three votes on pdcakes, Adam's contradiction, the fact we are on page 6 and still in the random vote stage...

[curiouskarmadog]

hmm, well there is three votes on pdcakes,

Adam's contradiction,

the fact we are on page 6 and still in the random vote stage...

Is this just him saying that the note is false, or did he contradict himself somewhere and I missed it?

check out my post 126, adam has since commented on it..my point was however, I have played with ryan before when his playstyle would have jumped all over this comment...I was wondering why ryan is not rooting out scum now.

[curiouskarmadog]

wait i have three votes?

hey would it be possible to get a vote count.

actually the vote count has not been updated since Para removed his vote...

I stand correct, you just have two

[curiouskarmadog]

I stand "corrected", damn proof reading...

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm sorry Aimee, how have you contributed again?

she could be contributing now with this question...

I have seen you lead the town before (and I remember you being l misynched day 2)....I was just wondering why you werent doing it again this game....

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm sorry Aimee, how have you contributed again?

she could be contributing now with this question...

I have seen you lead the town before (

and I remember you being l misynched day 2

)....I was just wondering why you werent doing it again this game....

Exactly the reasons I've bolded. Also to be honest I haven't been able to read a few players who this is the first time I've played with. Ah, I believe my vote is still a random one so

unvote

I'll have a few other tid bits later on today.

I figured that was the reason...or a reason anyway. But we do not know the outcome of that game...your contribution still could have helped and it could still be considered a win for you.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote thin man

pressure vote mostly...his last post was rather snarky and was 7 days ago.

your thoughts on the current game?

[curiouskarmadog]

I can go either way on posting scum lists, I think (as it has been pointed out already) scum lists are good for reference points later in the game. For Day 1, they are just conversation starters which I am always for..though I can tell you now Thin_man is keeping my vote until he is replaced or comments on something. Dont like the fact he has received his prod and has not responded...

Mod, how long are you going to give him?

[curiouskarmadog]

Well the more time goes by, the more my vote grows stronger on him. I am usually not for lynch the lurker, I always insisit they are replaced, but if he has contacted the mod by PM by still refuses to post, that is different story.

I guess it should also be noted that it looks like thin-man hasnt really posted anywhere since the 7th (a bah post) in the only other game he was in ( I think). So he has been checking in to the site (got the PM) but he is in no other game and he is not posting here.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'll happily go along with the posting of suspects. I propose that when people post their lists, they also get to choose who goes next.

Why should anyone propose who goes next? The active people will post and the inactives will either get a prod or get replaced, quite simple I think.

what does it matter either way?

[curiouskarmadog]

In the other game I am in with him, his last post was yesterday.

are you sure, according to his profile he posted on the 7th.

[curiouskarmadog]

I also note, that Mr.-someone-placed-my-name-on-a-note-and-called-me-scum has not posted here since the 8th

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote...

still rather snarky...but it was a post with content.

[curiouskarmadog]

And Simenon replaces Adam the Amazing - effective of now. Welcome him to the game.

welcome....by the way, you have a huge target on your chest..comments?

[curiouskarmadog]

Then it also helps scum choose their nightkill, find powerroles, and form effective bandwagons and mislynches.

This is absurd. You could quite as easily say it gives the town the

direction

to continue.

I'm at a loss conceptualising how it can be argued that scum can do all this from just a scum list.

this isnt all that absurd, if a town all puts together a scum list...one tactic could be NK for the person who does not pop up on the any (or many) of the lists...mafia can judge who the town thinks is most suspicious and leave them in the game.

Ok, I just read para's response and he says most of the samethings I just did.

all this being said, I dont mind scum lists, because I have a feeling it will get the town talking (defending/counter attacking)...and that is always good for us.

[curiouskarmadog]

What would you like me to contribute? I posted my top three (as asked) and my bottom three. Either of the top three I posted I'd be happy to see lynched.

Good deal, now we have narrow minded accusations with no base, I'll enjoy this. PLEASE state where I've been scummy Thin_Man IF I haven't said anything?

where have you helped this town, when you havent said anything?

vote ryan

you might have provided a list, but you had to be pushed to do so..now, people are wanting you to contribute more (like provide reasons for your scum list), instead of contributing you are attacking those who are asking you to contribute..

Why?

[curiouskarmadog]

I’m also not feeling ckd at the moment. I was never PUSHED to provide a list. I posted one and than got jumped for it. You are awfully quick to throw suspicion on other’s lists when it’s exactly what you asked people to do. Make up your mind son.

you were pressured to post one...when people asked you to elaborate, you jumped all over them...all I want you to do is go into more detail.

[curiouskarmadog]

I am withdrawing Aimee from my list for the reason I posted earlier, I checked back and the game I was talking about she was actually town. Not to say I'm not still watching her but my reasoning above is not correct.

viewtopic.php?t=5558&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0

interesing you posted this game..gave it a look over, you were quite active from the start...

much different here

[curiouskarmadog]

Your point is what?

the same point I have had the entire time..

in that game and the game you and I played...you were very active..trying to find scum..

this game, you have been reserved..I want to know why the change in game style.

[curiouskarmadog]

Because the last few games when I've been active and aggressive I got lynched, so I'm taking the "Don't overthink characteristics on posters" approach.

but even though you have been lynched (and I can verify that he is correct) wasnt your contributions helping in the big picture and ultimately leading the town (and you) to a win?

[curiouskarmadog]

fair enough for now.

unvote

going to look over your (scum) game a bit

[curiouskarmadog]

fair enough for now.

unvote

going to look over your (scum) game a bit

What else do you want CKD? You're ripping me apart for my lack of contribution yet I can name at least 3 others who haven't done squat in this game. (where's your pressure on them?) I gave my list, I explained my suspicions, I talked about my lack of activity (in your eyes) WHAT else do I need to do to explain myself in this setup? I've placed a vote on Simenon so we can find out if the note means anything and you still persist.

ummm, this seems a bit like an over reaction (considering that I just unvoted you)...I am not "ripping" you apart...it is called pressure...I applied it...did me saying that I was going to review the link YOU provided upset you?

[curiouskarmadog]

crap, thought I had...have more reread and reading to do....

[curiouskarmadog]

I have reread and I cant really say I can make a strong case against anyone...

that being said I felt that ryan DID overreact to my suggestion that I would read is scummy game (that he provided)..so there might be something there...I do think metagaming can help, but to make a case out of a metagame is hard to do (given the amount of different factors)..

so I think I will do that (a little more), just to see what there is to see.

[curiouskarmadog]

I provided the game, why would I overreact to you reading it? Come on now seriously.

that is why I said it wasnt a strong case..

[curiouskarmadog]

Ok read through several of ryan's games, thought I found a couple tells, but they were mostly dead ends...

at a loss in this game, I am not sure how we have 13 pages and I can not at least get a read off of someone...

looking at the last vote count, where is pdcakes vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

why are you beating around the bush?

if you want people to avoid a no lynch, just come out and say we need to agree on a lynch...or actively keep pushing a case for someone...

also upon looking at pdcakes, he is currently not voting.

out of your scum list, pd, who do you think it scum, you got questions for anyone?

[curiouskarmadog]

Out of the two leaders right now pdcakes to me is more likely scum

Unvote/Vote: pdcakes

I am sure you will state a reason

[curiouskarmadog]

At the moment, I believe the most damning evidence lies on Paradox, but I am willing to change to achieve a lynch at deadline or if someone else acts scummier.

right now, the vote leader is pdcakes, how do you feel about him?

[curiouskarmadog]

who am I suspicious of? Well if someone had a gun to my head and said pick two people whom you think could be scum, I would say ryan(yes still) and gow. Why have I not pushed a case on any of these two (especially gow)? Because there is no real strong case to push.

I thought ryan was a bit scummy, before I called him out on lurkish behavior, now he seems to be playing ball and mixing it up a bit. I spent a good hour reading through his games, but found nothing solid either way. gow, seems to be just floating under the radar and something about his "good townie-boy" comment rubbed me wrong. Like I said, weak cases at best, not even warrant a Fos

I dont really buy any of the current wagons out there right now, but being that it is Day 1, a strong case can not be made about anyone.

why are you not voting one, seems to me that if I were the vote leader, I would be pushing a case against someone...or at least trying to help the town with every bit of my time here.

[curiouskarmadog]

do we have a currently vote count? I am leaning toward pdcakes is town...also against a no lynch, as everyone should be.

[curiouskarmadog]

do we have a currently vote count? I am leaning toward pdcakes is town...also against a no lynch, as everyone should be.

I do not agree... what is the point of lynching someone who has at most 3 votes on them? And if we decide not to lynch them, it goes to the guy with JUST TWO VOTES OUT OF TWELEVE ON THEM. If you really do not want a no lynch, provide enough evidence on someone to get a good number of votes on them.

I personally would prefer a no lynch to a lynch of someone with 2 or 3 votes on them... unless there are less than 6 players left and we have a whole game of data to draw from.

as far as we know lynching is the only way we can kill scum. I imagine as we get closer to deadline we might see A flurry of votes. Maybe. i have to ask you why you would prefer a no lynch over someone who has 2-3 votes on them? As i see it, if we dont lynch, we are going to have a day 1.5..we give mafia a free kill...

it is hard to make a case against anyone day 1 without knowing alignments (typical Day 1) Very little action as been going on today and we have some lurkers. I imagine some will become more active shortly. Going back to look over some posts again...but encourage everyone to make a case and vote!

[curiouskarmadog]

Why is your vote on Para if you are advocating a no lynch?

good point, AND if you dont have a lead on anyone..why do you have your vote on Para

[curiouskarmadog]

what?...that really sound ridiculous. You think everything will remain constant for the next 26 hours? Not buying, what you are selling here. Matter of fact, I dont know why you are selling it. No lynches never help the town hit scum...I am not about to have Day 1 all over again.

vote twomz

[curiouskarmadog]

what?...that really sound ridiculous. You think everything will remain constant for the next 26 hours? Not buying, what you are selling here. Matter of fact, I dont know why you are selling it. No lynches never help the town hit scum...I am not about to have Day 1 all over again.

vote twomz

So you believe Para and pdcakes to be townies than?

I think pdcakes is...Para, not sure either way

[curiouskarmadog]

so basically your opinion is "I dont know"?

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess my point was this, why post that post, if your opinion is "I dont know".

[curiouskarmadog]

Very Interesting. Getting close to deadline now, votes are starting to change (as i thought).

Questions i would like answers to day 1.

thinman, who do you think (at this point) para’s scum buddy(ies) could be?
GOW, who do you think (at this point) twomz’s scum buddy(ies) could be?
twomz, what are your thoughts (at this point) on myself, god of wine, and thin man?

[curiouskarmadog]

aimee is behind on all of her games (even the ones she is modding)

[curiouskarmadog]

How am I hypocrite? I do not want to vote someone I do not think is scum.again, you still think everything will remain constant? Didnt I tell you the votes would "flurry"? I think you are the best lynch today...I think much information will be gathered from your lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

Is anyone else feeling an Aimee vote right now?

no she has been absent all of her games..and it appears she is updating them all

[curiouskarmadog]

I suggest you claim before you leave, Twomz.

Actually to be honest I'm considering voting Aimee at this point and I'm not afraid of being ripped on for doing a bandwagon. She comes back after obviously lurking (notice how she immediately got to her play analysis just hours before a deadline?) I don't trust it one bit and as you noticed, her vote turned us back to a no lynch again, and I 100% disagree with a no lynch on Day 1.

I agree with Gorgon regarding this.

I would prefer not to but I agree that it is for the best.

1 shot doc. I dunno if I will use it tonight or not >.> <.<

/sigh I completely forgot that I always end up claiming Day 1 as Doc, have not played in too long.

@ CKD: The only thing my lynch will prove is that I am willing to no lynch as town. This was proven in several of my older games (doubt I would be able to find a good example) already, so it is a moot point.

you are a one shot doc?

well, crap..

unvote

[curiouskarmadog]

Is anyone else feeling an Aimee vote right now?

no she has been absent all of her games..and it appears she is updating them all

what case is there against Aimee?..

[curiouskarmadog]

I agree with most Aimee's post, I dont think she was being a hypocrite, and her absence has been explained...this is a crap idea..who started this?..Ryan?..

[curiouskarmadog]

This rushed lynch looks bad...Those who are voting..what is the case?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: Aimee

Why are you so dead set against Aimee being voted CKD? I feel as though she rushed through her big player breakdown, she's lurked the entire game EVEN when she called me out on not participating. If Twonz is who he says he is I'm guessing the mafia take him out tonight, Para's move was pro town with the unvote and I just have trouble thinking he'd do it if he's scum. Aimee's lynch will tell us alot about the game. BTW, PAGING PDCAKES AND SIMENON, your contribution or lack there of before deadline is NOT going unnoticed.

because I dont think she has done anything worth lynching..if you metagame, you can tell she has been absent all of her games..you dont have a case but you are pushing one...I find that scummy

[curiouskarmadog]

I think my original instinct are right...

vote ryan.

[curiouskarmadog]

vote ryan

[curiouskarmadog]

I got a note...LOL "be wary of CKD"...interesting.

[curiouskarmadog]

ok so we have some role that can ban someone's vote..interesting...of course that person didnt ban anyone's vote Night 0 could it be a one shot deal (like the one shot doc?)..and this alignment is also unknown...also, it could indicate that we might have a role blocker as well

and we have two notes "adam the amazing (simenon) is scum" and "be wary of CKD". is it some version of a cop? so we have another role that writes notes(I think) and we also dont know that person's alignment....

well, now we got two notes..hmmm

I also thought the Aimee's bandwagon yesterday was completely ridicious and I cant believe the town (for there had to be town on that wagon) got wrapped up in that.

Going to reread..

[curiouskarmadog]

For now, my FOS on Thin_Man still stands.

The way in which CKD is talking about the note that referanced him seems off to me.

how so?

[curiouskarmadog]

well, maybe it isnt a one shot..I am guessing here...one shot or not, we dont know that it is a town role

and you were very stupid in regards to aimee. (if you are town)

[curiouskarmadog]

I think we can sensibly assume it is a town role. A role like that as a scum effectively acts as an extra member, and assuming a 3-man scumgroup, it would mean that we are at Lylo

today

, which is a ridiculous role. There could only be two mafia, I suppose, but having two mafia solely so you can give one a voteblock is stupid design, and having a setup with two mafia then giving one a voteblock completely negates any purpose you had behind there being a two man mafia in the first place.

and you were very stupid in regards to aimee. (if you are town)

And you were very stupid regarding Twomz. And your defence of aimee, in all honesty, was almost laughably bad, so I can't give you the credit of any intelligence behind your actions there, either.

and what was my defense of Aimee?

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: Simenon

Twomz is town (proven) I know I'm town. So it comes down to three others who were on the Aimee wagon and I believe that at least one of our scum hopped on board. Between Para, Thin Man and Simenon, I believe Simenon's statement of "Not believing Aimee is scum but STILL voting" is the scummiest.

How do you feel in reference to the note about Adam (simenon) being scum...and what about being "wary" of me?

[curiouskarmadog]

well, do you feel that the note (adam's) could be correct?...if so, what do you think "wary" means?

[curiouskarmadog]

well, do you feel that the note (adam's) could be correct?...if so, what do you think "wary" means?

"Be wary" implies you have some bad role. If you know the note about you is false, then why would you even consider the note about simenon to be true?

well, if I knew what "be wary" meant, I would knew if it was false or not, thus knowing if the first note was false or not..

what I am trying to judge is what "be wary" means...

[curiouskarmadog]

Has anyone considered we could have a tracker in this game? I would think a cop wouldn't post notes but get guilty or innocent verdicts. Leads me to wonder if we have a tracker of some sort.

never been in a game with a tracker not sure how they work...

will wiki it..


SirW, I know what the word "wary" means, what I am trying to figure out is, if it is implying that I am town or scum...this would help me gauge the first note...

[curiouskarmadog]

vote: curiouskarmadog

you basically painted yourself into a corner by voting for Simenon who was "revealed" to be scum through the first note, while the second note told the town to be wary of you. Be wary of someone does not have positive connotations. If the "author" wanted to address you in a positive light, they easily could have said something like "be aware of CKD, or Pay attention to CKD" this might be a different story. Be wary definitely implies danger. And even if Simenon is acting suspicious, you should most nearly know whether or not he is scum. You choose scum, and I will be consistent to your line of reasoning.

(smile)....Danger to who GoW? if the writer found out I was scum, why didnt we get another note that stating "CKD is scum" like the first note?

interesting, if you think I am scum, what are your thoughts on Simenon?

[curiouskarmadog]

vote: curiouskarmadog

you basically painted yourself into a corner by voting for Simenon who was "revealed" to be scum through the first note, while the second note told the town to be wary of you. Be wary of someone does not have positive connotations. If the "author" wanted to address you in a positive light, they easily could have said something like "be aware of CKD, or Pay attention to CKD" this might be a different story. Be wary definitely implies danger. And even if Simenon is acting suspicious, you should most nearly know whether or not he is scum. You choose scum, and I will be consistent to your line of reasoning.

(smile)....Danger to who GoW? if the writer found out I was scum, why didnt we get another note that stating "CKD is scum" like the first note?

interesting, if you think I am scum, what are your thoughts on Simenon?

I personally believe you are reading massive amounts that shouldn't be there into a 'note poster'. There's no reason for him to actually have an information ability.

what I am trying to judge is what "be wary" means...

Odd that you're putting so much emphasis on these notes, anyway. If you were town, I'd expect you to pretty much conclusively know that the person behind this is full of bs re: having info (not that he has claimed that). Instead, though, you seem to have adopted a type of behavior almost akin to fishing for the note poster to come out so you can ask him more questions regarding his role.

and what was my defense of Aimee?

This

I agree with most Aimee's post, I dont think she was being a hypocrite, and her absence has been explained...this is a crap idea..who started this?..Ryan?..

and you repeatedly going "THERE IS NOO CAASSE"

well, you try getting a note and see how you react. I am trying decipher the note because I think it will lead to the alignment of Simenon..I know that I am town...I am trying to figure out what be wary means..is that trying to indicate I am town or scum...if it suggests I am town, then I can assume the first note is true...if it is trying to indicate I am scum, then I can assume first note is false.

there was no case against Aimee...no one could provide one, but everyone seemed to jump on the wagon...so again, what was the case against her?...

[curiouskarmadog]

well, do you feel that the note

(adam's)

could be correct?...if so, what do you think "wary" means?

What do you mean by calling it Adam's note?

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the note about Adam the amazing = Adam's note

[curiouskarmadog]

ok, if you feel simenon is scum, what does that indicate about me (alignment wise)?

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fair enough...so your vote on him has nothing to do with the notes..got it.

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Oh I agree that CKD's defense seems a little off to say the least. Why he wouldn't hop up and down saying he's town (if he's town) is a little strange. He seems to be making this conversation a little more than necessary about himself. Who do you believe Para's scum partners are?

well, I dont understand the note...if the note came out and said, CKD is scum"..I WOULD jump up and down..but it doesnt..it says "be wary"....I dont understand what that means...

[curiouskarmadog]

Giving these notes some thought, I think the notes are correct (which means "be wary" of me, I guess).

I think we need to lynch Simenon tonight. I think it is time to test the truth of these notes! I understand that if he comes up scum, I am prime a lynching target Day 3, but I am willingly to take the chance.

vote Simenon

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well, there is really only one way to see what it means....I think we need to lynch simenon..if he comes up scum, we can have the "be wary" conversation day 3.

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CKD are you kidding me? You think the notes are true and we need to be wary of you? did you just admit to being scum? you know what, CKD's behavior is causing alarms to go off in my brain.

Unvote, vote Curiouskarmadog

Well you need to get your alarm system checked....why are you voting me and not Simenon? I am tell you that the notes ARE correct...my note does not say I am scum, it says "be wary" of me..there is a difference...if I was scum, I believe the note would say I was scum (because they have the ability to do so)....

(WIFOM moment here, but think it out)..if I was scum and I knew the notes to be correct, why would I be bringing so much attention to myself? If I was scum and I knew the notes to be incorrect (meaning Simenon is town) and you guys hung him today, then you guys would lynch me Day 3..both scenerios I would be playing very stupid scum...WE need to lynch Simenon today!!!

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ok pdcakes, you are officially on my cant think out of the box list..and that makes me mad. Hey, Capt Oblivious maybe I have some damn knowledge that I dont just want to come out with...but you keep pushing that I have a "hidden agenda" I cant imagine that I will now live to see tomorrow without being Nked..

think it out...why would the town need to be wary of me? What role could possibly make the town wary, but is still not scum..

I am the vig, Capt Shortbus...

so the note is true...the town should "be wary" of me because I can kill, but I am still not scum...

now get your damn vote off me and lynch Simenon. Trading me for 1 mafia is a pretty good deal for this town...

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But if you knew you were vig, and you knew that "be wary" was true, then why were you discussing what "be wary" meant? Didn't you know all along? Or were you just trying to avoid a claim? I admit, I guessed you were some sort of role like that, but I wasn't going to say it outloud. Pdcakes seemed almost trying to force a claim.

if you thought I was that, this post didnt really help me much

But we have already established that "be wary" carries with it negative connotation. If it said watch CKD or something different, we wouldn't be having this conversation. But it said be wary, and if you are willing to believe that adam/simenon is scum, then are you admitting to us to be wary of you?

I knew what it meant, I was trying to get a read on the town by asking what it meant, which has provided us with a ton of information (....And now that I claimed, it will be very interesting to see who does what next...it just better end with Simenon being lynched.


pdcakes, maybe if you thought before posting you would have figured it out....well, you pushed, and I had to claim, who made the mistake?

Are you saying to dont believe me? Are you saying I should kill because I can? I didnt vote because I didnt have a good case for anyone, why should I kill..I had a target, but changed my mind once the Aimee wagon came to town (FOR NO DAMN REASON)....and why is you vote still on me?

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so you dont believe my claim thin man?

explain the notes then thin man. Is it flavor?...I think they are speaking the truth...why do the notes say simenon is scum, but just be wary of me....

[curiouskarmadog]

also posting this as a point of reference...

Aimee (5) - Twomz, Thin man, Ryan, Paradox, Simenon


Thinman refused to provide a reason for the vote on aimee…

Seeing as how Twomz has left and I have a policy of never explaining my votes, looks like you'll have to get off your ass and do your own analysis, CKD.

Simenon states.

I don't think Aimee is scum. I think that there's an hour before the deadline hits, and an Aimee lynch is better than no lynch.

Now that I want to lynch Simenon, thin man has a problem….All day thin man was discrediting the notes (really for no reason)…

Anyone else seeing something here?

I think we need to find out if the notes are indeed helpful.


Also, I would love to hear from GoW right now.

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CKD my vote was on you because i wanted to hear your response before i unvoted. Anyway: Unvote

I am gonna wait to hear what simenon says before i do anything however.

try again...maybe bolded this time?

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also thin man, any thoughts on simenon's vote on aimee then saying he didnt think she was scum, when he really didnt need to vote anyway?

[curiouskarmadog]

So you had a chance to nightkill and didn't? How do we know you aren't a SK and your kill attempt was blocked?

well, I was a vig, and before the aimee wagon, I was going to target GoW...

if I was the SK, again, I am playing the worst SK ever..besides, lets see if I am not NKed tonight....also, if you look up the word "scum"..SK falls into that category.

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ps: to clarify, the reason I believe your claim, CKD, is because a D2 vig claim is retarded if you're gambiting scum. It's too much of a massive risk to take, that chance of being headshotted by the real vig. I mean, there are still 8 people unclaimed, and vig is undisputedly one of the top three roles to be in the game, as well as having by far the most lethal counterclaim. Even if you are lying, we should leave it a night, to let our real vig 'counterclaim'.

Read the post wrong, I guess you did say you believe the claim..

well, i didnt want to come out, but I wanted to head the wagon off at the head, before we waste a ton of time on it..besides, I figured coming out, might buy the cop (if we have one) some time.

Well I have no reason to think the notes are lies...it didnt say I was scum, but said to "be wary"..which makes since..the town should be wary of a vig.

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So what made you change your mind about GoW?

the aimee wagon..

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: Any breadcrumbing?

do I need any? anyone going to push a case against me?

[curiouskarmadog]

then why didnt it say CKD is scum?

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all this arguement can be settle (to a point if we test the note)..

I think simenon has done enough (noe aside) to have some pressure on him AT LEAST.

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"settled"
"note"

f proofreading

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Jesus, you guys really got with the posting while I was gone. I really don't want to claim, but at this point I feel I have to. I'm a townie with a note ability. I have no inside information so my notes were only intended to spark some discussion. This is why Simenon shouldn't be lynched over the note because they are simply random. Though my remark about CKD was because I got a bad vibe from his posts on day 1.

Now I really don't like CKD's claim. I think his claim is only meant to relieve pressure off himself. I doubt that I was so lucky as to phrase my note "be wary" and it fits perfectly with his role as vigilante.

HOS:CKD

Sweet bastard...what a stupid role, you said “be wary” because I didn’t jump on the damn aimee wagon? What didn’t you like about my play Day 1?…and since there is no counter claim. Sir Wario, I am sure you wouldn’t mind confirming your role tomorrow…Tomorrow can you send another note about me? I don’t care what it is, but as long as I am the subject of the letter.

Why would a “cowboy” get to write a note? At any rate, I mostly believe Sir Wario, because I too got a role name (like “cowboy”) then an explanation of the role. But I still want him to confirm his claim. Also, not sure what his alignment is. A “note maker” doesn’t seem like it is there to help the town. At any rate…

I am leaving my vote, I said note asides Simenon play was scummy, the note just solidified it...no has a better case.

I didn’t claim because of the pressure, I claimed because I was mad at pdcakes. You can push a case as much as you like, but why do the work for the mafia for them? The true test of my role will come tonight…there is no point to have the mafia leave me around, I am too dangerous…that really is the bottom line. MY claim has killed me tonight.

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"…and since there is no counter claim", it must be true.

(rest of the sentence)

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Ckd's claim is so completely unlike the others.

Vote:Ckd

what other claims?

and why do you want to do the mafia's work for them?

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thinman,

if wario makes another note tomorrow in regards to me (even if I die) that will prove the role (not the alignment, but the role)

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Sorry for the delay. It seems my suspicion of CKD's reaction to the note has snowballed a bit since I've been gone. Anyway, I just read thru the 4-5 pages I have been missed and my vote stands on CKD. Para thinks his nameclaim sets him apart which is somewhat true. But I will not be adding that to my reasons for voting CKD, just to be clear. I don't buy his roleclaim after the unusual way he handled himself.

we will see tonight wont we

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Something funny will be fine with me (as long as it references me)..still don’t understand the role…

Anyway, as I am believing the validity of the role..

Unvote..

I still think he is scummy, but I was looking at him through “note” colored glasses. I need to reread. I am not liking how para seems threatened by me all of the sudden and is really pushing for my lynch. Para don’t you think a mafia group and a SK versus so far a one shot doc, a vig, a note writer (alignment?), and a vote blocker(alignment, but can be assumed town) is a little one sided? what is the problem with letting the mafia NK me? What is hard to believe about my claim?

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Paradoxombie (2) - Gorgon, SirWario
Curiouskarmadog (2) - GodofWine, Paradoxombie
Simenon (2) - Ryan, Curiouskarmadog
Ryan (1) - Simenon
Kabenon (1) - Thin_Man

Not voting - pdcakes

Not allowed to vote - Kabenon007

theo I unvote Simenon (for now)

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it is going to look OMGUSy, but..Para, GoW, Simenon..are all sitting on the same plain of scumminess...waiting for Para to answer my questions...and GoW (who I suspected yesterday) votes then lurks

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roleblocked by who? mafia?..if mafia can role block, who do think they will block, a note writer or a vig? I am 99% sure the mafia can not roleblock..or if they can, they get one shot to do it.

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besides, wario is only confirming his role, not his alignment

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roleblocked by who? mafia?..if mafia can role block, who do think they will block, a note writer or a vig? I am 99% sure the mafia can not roleblock..or if they can, they get one shot to do it.

Isn't it possible they roleblock one and nightkill the other? Listen it's a stretch as I don't know allignments or what type of roles are here but saying that we have you write a note and that gets you off as a townie 100% isn't true, there are other circumstances that I want to explore before I say who's for sure telling the truth and who's lying. Does that make sense?

well, I still get my kill off even if the target me right?..they would want to roleblock me

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I am 99% sure the mafia can not roleblock..or if they can, they get one shot to do it.

Why?

ask me that question tomorrow if I am still around

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CKD: GoW votes then lurks? It hasn't even been one day since my last post! That's not lurking in my opinion but I guess you're entitled to yours. Also I will jump onto the dogpile: Why are you so sure that mafia cannot roleblock? I was under the impression it was relatively common. I would be even more inclined to accept the possibility of a scum role blocker, when we apparently have a weirdo-arbitrary note-writer role. Anyway, certainty is quite a tell.

so you will keep your vote on me then?

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Vote GodOfWine

any reason your vote is still on me? Why are you trying to do the mafia's work for them?

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yeah, I am frantic..you are the guy defending his vote on a claimed vig when logic states the mafia will take me out tonight.

also please provide the reason you are voting for me, for now we have a claimed note writer and "know" the reason he wrote what he did, your reasoning doesnt really stand up.

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note to all my games:

going to be a light poster for the next 3-4 days (best man in a wedding) should be back and posting regularly by Sunday/Monday..

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dont need a prod, if one is coming, still comfortable with my GoW vote

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can we pass on listing who we think is town?

really, I am finding that that list only helps mafia.

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Yay extension!!! I would be highly suspicious of anyone who was against an extension.

well with a comment like this, who would say anything different?

I always love it when individuals clamor on about how an extension is great and protown, then they go back to light posting or lurking. Extensions are only good if the town actually uses them. In general, I like long days (if the conversation is good)...so far conversation has been stale here as of late..if GoW is replaced, I think we could use an extension, but if he is not...I dont think we need one..

so officially, I dont want an extension UNLESS GoW is replaced.

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i did nothing.

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silly Para..did you even need to ask me if I did something last night?

Is this about me having my vote on your scum buddy GoW?

way to set up that WIFOM arguement tomorrow, but shouldnt you wait to lynch me until tomorrow? I already know who I am vigging tonight, but I guess that is why you are scared today isnt it?

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(yawn)...so is your scum buddy going to be replaced or not?

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if I am alive tomorrow, what does that say about my alignment (WIFOM arguement tomorrow).

you want me to reconsider what? my night kill?

[curiouskarmadog]

if I am alive tomorrow, what does that say about my alignment (WIFOM arguement tomorrow).

you want me to reconsider what? my night kill?

I want you to reconsider if you've concealed anything from the town.

If you do survive, shouldn't you be thankful that I "set you up"? Not only do you get your supposed kill, but the town won't suspect you tommorow and it will reduce possible scum. Not to mention you get an extra day to scum hunt. The only way what you just said makes sense is if you are assuming that your kill will not go through, which doesn't makes sense. Unless of course you already know that there won't be a second kill tommorow.

I'll tell you what it looks like to me. It looks like you want to accuse everyone who suspects you of being scum, and then assuming your not lynched(I think you should be) You claim the scum are trying to get us to mislynch you when your not killed. I'm not setting you up, you're setting yourself up. The only flaw is, like I said, your argument only makes sense if there isn't a vig kill tonight(if you confirm your ability, leaving you alive would benefit town far more than scum)

My conclusion?
You already know there won't be a second kill. And I'm very happy with my vote.

Well, i will be submitting a kill tonight...the only reason it wont go through is if the mafia have some sort of Doc or roleblocker, which is not that far off..I mean the town had a doc, a vig..there is also a vote blocker and a note writer (alignments?)...stands to reason that the mafia might have a few tricks as well.

Para, what are you suggesting I am concealing? You mentioned a one-shot (like our doc)...guess you will have to NK me or waste your night role block to find out wont you, scum?

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Well, I really don't understand why it is so hard to believe his claim over SirWario's. The Vig is very common, so it would be likely we would have one in this game, it is after all Western themed, and to claim it and hope that there were no counterclaims would be foolhardy. He could have picked something much less attention grabbing and easy to disprove.

this reminds me..Sir Wario (as a reminder)..tomorrow's note has got to say something about me....think the town still needs to be able to confirm you are the one writing the notes.

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if you rememeber, I was the one to make a big deal about the notes..I wanted to find out what people thought "be wary" meant...even after suspicion began to increased I pushed..go back and read Para was there really a "tiny" bit of suspicion?

Para's main arguement here was that the note "be wary" came out then I decided to come up with the VIg claim...

well, that is a sad sad arguement Para, (which is why I never answered ryan's question about if I breadcrumbed or not)..I was wondering who would push this..

very very simple breadcrumb..no codes..just capital letters..

as far as we know lynching is the only way we can kill scum. I imagine as we get closer to deadline we might see A flurry of votes. Maybe. i have to ask you why you would prefer a no lynch over someone who has 2-3 votes on them? As i see it, if we dont lynch, we are going to have a day 1.5..we give mafia a free kill...

it is hard to make a case against anyone day 1 without knowing alignments (typical Day 1) Very little action as been going on today and we have some lurkers. I imagine some will become more active shortly. Going back to look over some posts again...but encourage everyone to make a case and vote!

I.A.M.A.V.I.G.

this came post 379

the note didnt come out until 507.

Para, you fell into the trap...Why are you arguing to kill the a claimed vig today Para?

unvote vote Para

I think you are a scared...as you should be.

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it actually wasnt that clever, I have seen crumbs that involve dates, codes, flip charts..whatever..I just wanted a simple one. I didn’t directly answer your question because I thought you were going to push the “well, we have this note, NOW ckd claims vig” There are ways to confirm a vig, hanging him the day he claims is anti-town. I was sure you (ryan) were going to push this, but you didn’t. Para changed his vote because no one is buying any of his other cases. Why I think he is scummy?

1.) he is not just voting the claimed vig, he is urging others to vote me as well, he is really pushing this case. He is not looking at this game through town eyes. The vig is an asset to the town, yet he doesn’t want me to have a chance to confirm. Why is that?

2.) He thinks I am scum, but he wants me to tell him the specifics of my role as a vig (one shot), which is leading me to believe they might have some sort of role blocking ability and they need to know where to go with it. Tell me Para, if I am scum, why do you care if I am a one shot vig or not?

3.) He tried to suggest (with a vote) that my claim was false before, but the first time around he wanted people to believe I was a SK. He changed his mind…

I'm perfectly aware that he can confirm having the ability. A mafia cop can confirm having a cop ability. That doesn't mean that he can claim cop without the real cop going 'excuse me sir, you are full of shit', and him getting lynched without so much as a by-your-leave. The benefit of that play, for scum, is that they can draw out the cop in exchange for one of their own. No such luck with the SK. He would have to

know

that there is no vig in the game, otherwise a claim like that is exceptionally risky. And this is a game based on fucking cowboys. Do you honestly think any sensible minded serial killer would be

his entire chance of winning the game

on the fact that none of the 8 unclaimed people are vigs? I don't. I think it's exceptionally unlikely. It's just not human nature to take risks that exceptionally huge, especially when the reward is pointing yourself out to the mafia as someone they will have to kill before endgame. And factor in as well that you can't even argue down any vigs that counterclaim you, like you could with a cop, a doc, or a tracker. A vig just shoots you in the night and you lose, without any chance to argue back. There's no plausible way on earth it isn't a massively bad play for a serial killer to claim vig.

Your probably correct, but I just realized that I misread; I had attributed somthing CKD said to a different player.

Unvote

make it an

FOS: CKD

Now he is back saying that my claim is fake (versus being a SK).

4.) Day 1, he was on the Aimee lynch (for no reason) then left with” Well I've gotta go now too, so don't expect anything else from me, 'till day 2”.

Who else I think is scummy?...(I have a pool of 3 people total I think is or could be scum)...just in case they do have some sort of Mafia Doc or Roleblocker..going to keep that to myself.

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Kudos, CKD. I was incredulous about your claim. That is partly why I claimed(also, to avoid a mislynch over the note). I'm still suprised that I matched be wary with the vig. I definitely believe your claim now, though.

now you know where I was coming from...why I thought the notes were right on..at any rate, i think this topic will make for interesting conversation at games end..

wario, thoughts on Para?

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Well I no longer suspect you ckd, but I'd still like you to answer at least 1 of the questions I posed. Why didn't you simply kill Simenon that night if you believed that note? You argue the value of the vig, but it looks to me like you outed yourself unessesarily and cost the town. On the other hand your lackluster play makes me question whether such power would really be useful or terribly dangerous in your hands, anyway.

Para, you need to get your facts straight, then you can answer your own questions. If you figure out when I stated I believed the NOTES, you will have your answer. Not going to do the work for you (besides it is apparent you need a reread anyway).

Now please quit avoiding the MY question, why did you want to lynch the claimed vig versus waiting until tonight?

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speaking of intelligence and consistency, if I am no longer a suspect, why is your vote still on me?

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Well I no longer suspect you ckd, but I'd still like you to answer at least 1 of the questions I posed. Why didn't you simply kill Simenon that night if you believed that note? You argue the value of the vig, but it looks to me like you outed yourself unessesarily and cost the town. On the other hand your lackluster play makes me question whether such power would really be useful or terribly dangerous in your hands, anyway.

quit back tracking Para, you asked me why "didnt I simply kill Simenon THAT night if you believed the note"...You didnt know what day I believed the note.

So you thought I should be lynched today, because I would have a vote tomorrow? A townie might want to see if I am indeed a vig before lynching me.

Also I am glad you reposted this.

Sure,

GOW is pretty passively scummy

, but CKD is pretty actively scummy(imo). I'm not buying his claim and I feel confident enough in my suspicion that it seems more dangerous to leave him alive. That not only gives him a vote, and forces us to waste another day, but also if he knows he will be lynched tommorow, his partners can sit back while he makes all the moves that would be condemning later(like blatantly voting townies or allowing a No Lynch) I don't like the idea of a player with nothing to lose like that.

You think GoW is scummy? Why have you never voted or FoSed him (that I can find, please post if I have missed)? Now that I am not a suspect, you going to vote him now?

Caught you again Para...and you just gave up your scum buddy.

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Hello everyone.

So basically this thread is 34ish pages long, I'm going to start reading it and when I'm done I'll post on the impressions I got of all the players based on happenings in the thread.

currently your vote is on me..care to unvote?

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quite happy with my vote on Para still...Ninth is doing nothing for my view of GoW.

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Simenon, if Kabenon is your number one suspect, could you state your full case against him?

Ryan, what has happened to your opinion of Simenon? FTR, I find your case against him pretty lame.

Kabenon could you state your full case against Simenon? Unless you already have in a single, cohesive post.

= deflection

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Here's a question for you if you feel left out: Why didn't you wait for more than 2 players to weigh in on my case against you before you revealed your breadcrumb? Surely that would be helpful to the town. What if a bandwagon had sprung up on you suddenly? The town really could've used that information, especially at this point, and also later in the game.

Or are you really so blindly sure of yourself?

Are you feeling embarrassed for pushing that very anti-town “lynch the claimed vig move before he could possibly confirm himself at night” move? Figured it was a good time to do so. Why are you asking why I didn’t wait. Would a bandwagon on me have been scummy? As far as I am concerned there was already a bandwagon...you and GoW, maybe I got all the information I needed.

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Are you feeling embarrassed for pushing that very anti-town “lynch the claimed vig move before he could possibly confirm himself at night” move?

No, the only player who should be embarrassed here is you. Your terrible play, none of which made sense, has wasted the town's time and the only info that would've been useful from it you chose not to wait for, because you "figured it was a good time". What you're mistaking for embarrassment is anger and awe. Anger that you continue to push a somewhat decent case stuffed with all your BS. And Awe at your continuing senselessness and lack of basic logic and reasoning skills.

Figured it was a good time to do so.

Bravo.

Why are you asking why I didn’t wait.

To expose you as the fool you are and have been. The one intelligent thing you've done is breadcrumb, which has now implicated me and magnified your mistakes further.

Would a bandwagon on me have been scummy?

I don't know, I can't predict what never happened. Besides there is more to bandwagon than whether it's scummy or not. We could also look for vote hopping and craplogic. We could see who didn't vote you and whether their reasoning is logical or supect. At the least we could force players to give an opinon, which in itself is scumhunting.

As far as I am concerned there was already a bandwagon...you and GoW, maybe I got all the information I needed.

BS overconfidence again. I have no idea if GOW is scum, but I know you're at least 50% wrong, and your guise of certainty only further shows your lack of mindpower

LOL, Para, now you are being a hypocrite.

You think I have wasted the town's time, yet the only reason you are attacking me is to prove I am a fool? Who is wasting the town's time now?

I am illogical? You wanted the town to believe that lynching the vig before he could confirm himself was a good idea...if you were town, wouldnt you want a vig on your side?

Tell me Para, why has my breadcrumb implicated you, did you do something wrong? Go back to my bandwagon Para, you can find plenty of crap logic.

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but refused to give a chance to prove myself...seems to me, that if you were town, you want to be sure who you are hanging..if there was a way for a person to prove they were a vig, I would give it to them, especially because the scum WOULD probably Nk them anyway...

but you didnt care about all that..you wanted to do the scum's work for them..

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fine resort to insults Para..

we could poll the town to see if they thought "lynch the claimed vig" was a good idea for the town.

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Fair enough Gorgon...see Para, Gorgon think you had reason..

So I get this straight Gorgon, do you feel it would have been a good idea to lynch a claimed vig, versus letting him prove himself that night?

That is my problem with Para, that he refused to let me prove myself the following night...he would rather I did today.

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did=die

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exactly my point, everyone wants to look protown by asking for an extension...Para wants people to believe I was scum because I wasnt for an extension (in this case)...yet, there is little activity..

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Jesus, I forgot THin Man was in this game

[curiouskarmadog]

cant believe anybody is still listening to Para

[curiouskarmadog]

Already posted that I am not going to post who I think is town (in this game)..

Think you (para) and Gow's replacement are probably the scum...

ryan is always on my radar (because of his play style)..but I dont think he is the lynch today..

Para, your thoughts on GoW?

[curiouskarmadog]

Dude it's not skewed, I specifically said I might've forgotten something and I didn't necessarily forget it because I re-read the begining. Btw could you direct to to what you are talkig about or remind me with further details.

Anyway ckd wtf with the "I can't believe anyone is litening to paradox" comment? I just noticed you ended up voting ryan at deadline day 1! I reached basically the same conclusion you did.

I started to write more notes, but it serously became just a case against ryan. So I'm just gonna read his posts. I think they look prety bad so far, still.

so you are trying to hold me to an opinion I had 700 posts ago?..a lot has changed since then.

[curiouskarmadog]

Dude it's not skewed, I specifically said I might've forgotten something and I didn't necessarily forget it because I re-read the begining. Btw could you direct to to what you are talkig about or remind me with further details.

Anyway ckd wtf with the "I can't believe anyone is litening to paradox" comment? I just noticed you ended up voting ryan at deadline day 1! I reached basically the same conclusion you did.

I started to write more notes, but it serously became just a case against ryan. So I'm just gonna read his posts. I think they look prety bad so far, still.

so you are trying to hold me to an opinion I had 700 posts ago?..a lot has changed since then.

What specifically happened that made you change your opinion of Ryan?

he started playing normally..but mostly others have been playing scummy...GoW was the top of my list since the beginning, his play only grew worse in my pov...putting ryan at 3rd (presently).

[curiouskarmadog]

Hello again... rereading >.>

welcome (back) twomz, might behoove you to remove your vote off me.

[curiouskarmadog]

So you criticize people for voting without reasons yet are happy enough to do it yourself.

I'm happy enough to see other cases on you and agree with what they've posted and this close to deadline you are the best choice.

qft

[curiouskarmadog]

although I do have one question

ryan, your thoughts on Twomz/GoW?

[curiouskarmadog]

I saw this vote coming...actually I saw the lack of a Para vote coming.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay, I think I'll claim. I'm a Protown Roleblocker. a harlot.

any bread crumbs? anything else about your role that you would like to add?

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD wrote:

I saw this vote coming...actually I saw the lack of a Para vote coming.

Why?

and no im not lurking. I haven't had time to post my thoughts but CKD's post bothered me so I wanted an answer

I think Twomz and Para are scum together...I was pretty sure that twomz would not vote for Para. Furthermore, I think Para is probably the mafia roleblocker. I stated many pages ago I thought the mafia might have a roleblocker because of the way Para was asking me questions...guess I was right.....if Para remains alive, he will block my vig kill tonight.

[curiouskarmadog]

Okay, I think I'll claim. I'm a Protown Roleblocker. a harlot.

any bread crumbs? anything else about your role that you would like to add?

No breadcrumbs, but my pm is somewhat vague about my rolename like SirWario's but very unlike Ckd's

how was it different than mine?

[curiouskarmadog]

lol

well that sucked..

I was the vig, like I said..

looks like Sir Wario was on with those notes.