Open 42 - Friends and Enemies - (Game Over) before 495

[Guardian]

Mod Post: Vote Count

Crub[4](Jex, ChaosOmega, Simenon, Sammich)
Simenon[2](Crub, Lemming1607)
Sir Tornado[1](Shanba)
Lemming1607[1](Per)


Not Voting[3](AlSleet, Samruc, Sir Tornado)

[Simenon]

You see what you're trying to do is guide me into believing something. Whatever answer I give, allows you to properly respond to the situation. I'm not going to give you that chance. That's not how I roll yo.

oh well. :[

I see your game, and it's like you believe you're smarter than everyone else and need to lead us to find out "inner selves" through questions.

Read the question. Now read your "case". I wouldn't ask this question if I didn't feel it was necessary.
If you read my posts, I'm obviously acting the exact same way (every two votes gets a bandwagon vote from me). I'm asking you if that is a coincidence or not. If you aren't going to answer that, then I think it's of no use to me to answer your case.

I don't play that game. I'm going to keep my vote on you until you answer the question, instead of trying to figure out what answer will satisfy me and say that.

Have fun.

[Lemming1607]

You see what you're trying to do is guide me into believing something. Whatever answer I give, allows you to properly respond to the situation. I'm not going to give you that chance. That's not how I roll yo.

oh well. :[

I see your game, and it's like you believe you're smarter than everyone else and need to lead us to find out "inner selves" through questions.

Read the question. Now read your "case". I wouldn't ask this question if I didn't feel it was necessary.
If you read my posts, I'm obviously acting the exact same way (every two votes gets a bandwagon vote from me). I'm asking you if that is a coincidence or not. If you aren't going to answer that, then I think it's of no use to me to answer your case.

I don't play that game. I'm going to keep my vote on you until you answer the question, instead of trying to figure out what answer will satisfy me and say that.

Have fun.

Why would you systematically bandwagon third vote everyone, assuming you're motivated about lynching scum?

[Lemming1607]

also you're a liar because you haven't voted for yourself yet

[Simenon]

Why would you systematically bandwagon third vote everyone, assuming you're motivated about lynching scum?

Open games are for experiments. Bandwagoning = information. I hate it when players think bandwagoning is a bad thing. The town plays well when there is an organized bandwagon on someone.

Besides, I felt it could draw opportunistic scum.

My vote is sticking on Crub anyway.

[Lemming1607]

I don't think bandwagoning is a bad thing...obviously no one would ever get lynched. My problem was that you gave absolutely no reason to each vote, and it looked like you were just trying to lynch someone, which is not what town needs.

Also answering questions with questions is ridiculous in my opinion, especially centered around a game that is all about accusing people

[Crub]

Besides, I felt it could draw opportunistic scum.

It did ... you voted

[ChaosOmega]

unvote, vote Samruc

In the re-read, something seemed off with you in the beginning. Later on, you always seemed to be on the popular bandwagon at the time. But the thing is, you're not voting. It seems like you want to be part of the lynchers, but if they turn up town, you can go "I wasn't voting for him". You're suspicous of Crub, why aren't you voting for him?

[Sammich]

Meh.
Just wanted to say I'm still here. Just not seeing anything too suspicious.

[Shanba]

Crub, you are like a broken record. Do you actually have anything on Sim or are you voting him for the heck of it? Or maybe it's just OMGUS?

I personally don't think Simenon is deserving of the wagon on him. He's not a bad vote, but I'd put him at least 4th or 5th on my list.

[Samruc]

ChaosOmega: I'm reluctant to put Crub at L-1. Apparently he isn't affected by pressure, rather keeps the same style throughout his posts: "Lynch me, you will find out that you are wrong". I don't like this defence, as I said before, but I don't find it enough to risk a lynch for.

I'm thinking that there actually might be "opportunistic scum" on the wagon. Consider this:

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

Not very convincing. This is from the guy who said "I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning". Could be that he knows Crub will turn up town, and prepares to go after other players on the wagon?
Another thing about Sammich:

I think Sir T is in a -1 lynch situation.

Why point this out if you don't react to it? This looks like you either want a hammer but didn't dare say it, or wants him put off L-1(which would have been easy to do when he had voted Sir T himself).

I think this guy deserves a closer look.

Vote: Sammich

Late edit: The last post from Sammich isn't very impressive either.

[Lemming1607]

Crub, you are like a broken record. Do you actually have anything on Sim or are you voting him for the heck of it? Or maybe it's just OMGUS?

I personally don't think Simenon is deserving of the wagon on him. He's not a bad vote, but I'd put him at least 4th or 5th on my list.

I voted for Simenon with I believe correct reasoning. I believe to have found a scumtell. Crub jumped on presumably to save himself. If you can call that a bandwagon sure.

I have to admit though I need to look at Crub again to see how's he behaving. I was paying attention to Simenon this entire time

[AlSleet]

ChaosOmega: I'm reluctant to put Crub at L-1. Apparently he isn't affected by pressure, rather keeps the same style throughout his posts: "Lynch me, you will find out that you are wrong". I don't like this defence, as I said before, but I don't find it enough to risk a lynch for.

I'm thinking that there actually might be "opportunistic scum" on the wagon. Consider this:

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

Not very convincing. This is from the guy who said "I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning". Could be that he knows Crub will turn up town, and prepares to go after other players on the wagon?
Another thing about Sammich:

I think Sir T is in a -1 lynch situation.

Why point this out if you don't react to it? This looks like you either want a hammer but didn't dare say it, or wants him put off L-1(which would have been easy to do when he had voted Sir T himself).

I think this guy deserves a closer look.

Vote: Sammich

Late edit: The last post from Sammich isn't very impressive either.

Sammich has been slipping a little bit under the radar, but I don't find his behavior all too distressing. I do agree, though, that it would be beneficial to take a closer look at him.

The one I like least right now is Simenon. He's been pretty cryptic and short and I get a bad vibe from him. I'd have to see a little more from him and Lemming though before taking a really firm stand either way because that seems to be the major conflict of this game.

[Sammich]

I don't OMGUS.

ChaosOmega: I'm reluctant to put Crub at L-1. Apparently he isn't affected by pressure, rather keeps the same style throughout his posts: "Lynch me, you will find out that you are wrong". I don't like this defence, as I said before, but I don't find it enough to risk a lynch for.

So if this is his defense, how do I turn up as oppurtunistic scum?

I'm thinking that there actually might be "opportunistic scum" on the wagon. Consider this:

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

Not very convincing. This is from the guy who said "I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning". Could be that he knows Crub will turn up town, and prepares to go after other players on the wagon?

Far from it.
If Crub does turn up town, it's his fault for acting so scummy.

Another thing about Sammich:

I think Sir T is in a -1 lynch situation.

Why point this out if you don't react to it? This looks like you either want a hammer but didn't dare say it, or wants him put off L-1(which would have been easy to do when he had voted Sir T himself).

It doesn't look like that at all.
If I wanted a Sir T hammer, I would have been way more pressed onto his case.



I think this guy deserves a closer look.

Vote: Sammich

Late edit: The last post from Sammich isn't very impressive either.[/quote]

FOS: Samruc

In the re-read, something seemed off with you in the beginning. Later on, you always seemed to be on the popular bandwagon at the time. But the thing is, you're not voting. It seems like you want to be part of the lynchers, but if they turn up town, you can go "I wasn't voting for him". You're suspicous of Crub, why aren't you voting for him?

ChaosOmega pointed out you were always seemingly on the bandwagon. Could it be that you're now focusing on a player that's not being BWed at the moment?

[Crub]

If Crub does turn up town, it's his fault for acting so scummy.

And who's fault is it for being myopic and failing to consider the state of play if I'm town?

In my opinion the case on me is weak. If it was strong and I actually had something to defend myself against, I'd defend myself.

Considering you think I've acted so scummy, care to outline a case?

[Jex]

Sorry guys, but apparently my internet it going to be gone for longer then I thought. It'll be at least another week or two before I have consistent internet. For now I'm just kind of checking in.

For now, I'm sticking with my gut reaction on crub. I always get swayed from my gut reactions by the rest of the town, and then the person I originally thought turns out to be scum later down the line. I don't know if that's for sure the case right now as I can't be positive about anyone being scum or not, but my vote is staying where it is for now.

[Samruc]

I don't OMGUS.

ChaosOmega: I'm reluctant to put Crub at L-1. Apparently he isn't affected by pressure, rather keeps the same style throughout his posts: "Lynch me, you will find out that you are wrong". I don't like this defence, as I said before, but I don't find it enough to risk a lynch for.

So if this is his defense, how do I turn up as oppurtunistic scum?

Because his defense is the obvious candidate to push against if you are trying to not look scummy while lynching.

I'm thinking that there actually might be "opportunistic scum" on the wagon. Consider this:

Unvote; Vote Crub

I don't think you're really town, and I didn't really like how you claimed you were town and we could all "Lynch Simenon the next day".
If you turn up town then we can all assure that someone on this bandwagon is scum.

Not very convincing. This is from the guy who said "I'm not a big fan of bandwagoning". Could be that he knows Crub will turn up town, and prepares to go after other players on the wagon?

Far from it.
If Crub does turn up town, it's his fault for acting so scummy.

And everyone else's fault for making the wrong assessment of his scumminess...

It doesn't look like that at all. If I wanted a Sir T hammer, I would have been way more pressed onto his case.

Completely Wifom.

ChaosOmega pointed out you were always seemingly on the bandwagon. Could it be that you're now focusing on a player that's not being BWed at the moment?

Yes. After Omega's post I tried to explain to myself why I hadn't voted Crub, and decided I was not completely agreeing with having him at L-2, even less so at L-1. It was only natural then to take a look at his bandwagonners.

[Shanba]

Sammich's logic is unimpressive. Samruc's is better. Don't think either are great lynches right now, though I'd favour Sammich over Samruc. especilly don't like him saying he doesn't OMGUS and then FoSsing Samruc in what amounts to OMGUS. Actually, I just convinced myself.

Unvote vote: Sammich

[Sammich]

Sammich's logic is unimpressive. Samruc's is better. Don't think either are great lynches right now, though I'd favour Sammich over Samruc. especilly don't like him saying he doesn't OMGUS and then FoSsing Samruc in what amounts to OMGUS. Actually, I just convinced myself. Unvote vote: Sammich

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I put reasons as to my FOS at the last part of my post.
Which I will reply to Samruc's explanation:

Yes. After Omega's post I tried to explain to myself why I hadn't voted Crub, and decided I was not completely agreeing with having him at L-2, even less so at L-1. I

t was only natural then to take a look at his bandwagonners.

Then look at Jex and Simenon and I if you're going to do that.
I'm not his only bandwagonner, and you know that.
I don't think you're scum. Most Mafia would try and go for a hammer. I'm confused by your actions, but you're not getting a defensive reaction from me if you're looking for that.

[quote="Samruc]And everyone else's fault for making the wrong assessment of his scumminess...[/quote]
However, the people mostly don't think it's the wrong assessment.
It looks to me like you and Crub could be Mason or scum, the way you are suddenly jumping to his defense.

[Shanba]

Please don't speculate on who's a mason, that'SJust common sense

[Simenon]

Shanba, voting sammich is :badvoting:. Vote Crub or lemming please.

[Sammich]

Please don't speculate on who's a mason, that'SJust common sense

Why not?
If we knew who masons were, we'd be able to cross off three names off the "Maybe Mafia" list.
Although the Mason revealing would mean NK for Mafia.
Are you a Mason trying to keep under the radar? I doubt it.
Suddenly you seem so scummy, looking back on your posts.

Sammich's logic is unimpressive. Samruc's is better. Don't think either are great lynches right now, though I'd favour Sammich over Samruc. especilly don't like him saying he doesn't OMGUS and then FoSsing Samruc in what amounts to OMGUS. Actually, I just convinced myself. Unvote vote: Sammich

Suddenly you agree with Samruc.
Coming from the guy who says:

Anyway. My vote was mostly unsubstantiated. Putting pressure on a player I'm not sure on is not a bad move.

Not all votes have the intent of lynching, as I said before.

Yet SirT's clearly did. Which I felt was odd, given the strength of the case.

Suddenly you feel the need to vote me only after Samruc's post? What's up with that?
Did this have the makings of a lynch intent? The only real reason for a YB lynch was that YB hadn't posted in reply to suspicion.
Even more, what's with this? It's not in the same context as my last quote, in which you said:

Putting pressure on a player I'm not sure on is not a bad move.

Unvote

The case there was on YB was weak. I voted for him and I admit that. Why, therefore, is this wagon growing this quickly and is this big? Unhappy bout that. unvote vote lemming

That makes that post absolutely bullcrap. How can you be unhappy with an unsure BW on YogurtBandit and then say voting while unsure is fine?

Vote: Shanba

Just really inconsistant. Don't take this as an OMGUS, I have my reasons as to vote you.

[Sammich]

EBWOP:

Unvote; Vote Shanba

Messed up.

[Crub]

Shanba, voting sammich is :badvoting:. Vote Crub or lemming please.

Do you think you might be useful at all this game?

[Simenon]

Lynching you would be pretty useful.