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Yeah I keep looking for one of those... I'll find it someday... maybe...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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to bold its:~~~[ /b] Not the <>
And Hi Stephy *waves*It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Thats good to know... I hear that thing is illegal in 20 countries and all 50 states...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Yeah thats something I haven't learned yet... How to pull the game out of the random phase and into real play. I normally forgo the random vote though.
Also thanks I've been looking for that pesky button!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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If I had to use my gut I would vote for Mith.. Mostly cause I always fear the smart helpful people...
I wouldn't mind a bit more from Holy and Havok before I start my voting stage...
My early views... Stephy is just a new player... Probably town from my experience... Holy I can't say for certain... Maybe a new player who doesn't want to say too much because its her first time as mafia... Maybe just doesn't want to attract any attention to herself... Sir Tornado... Could go either way... I haven't actually seen anything scummy from him yet but his comment about getting the game underway makes me suspicious. I know a lot of ways to get the game underway... Most of them actually ends up getting me lynched... but hey... it still works... jmar... Eh.. Hes shown his inexperience and hasn't said much to stand out.
Then we have Mith... Who... Um... probably one of the smartest players on the forum... So again I can't say for certain...
So I'm going to remain voteless and see where the discussion gets us. But if I had to vote I would throw it on Sir Torn or Mith... I'm sure that will change by the time I actually vote though..It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Jmar wrote:Interesting post Korlash... mind telling me why you think stephy is probably town?
Sure can there... First off it is a fairly common newbie mistake to think a no lynch is better then killing off a towny. I myself wanted to do that my first game when it was like... 12 players. Everyone got made at me and bad stuff happened :O
Secondly it is a good mafia ploy to suggest a no lynch sometimes. This not only makes them look innocent but could in fact bring about a no lynch, giving them the edge they need. However I don't think any player would know that on their first game.
Then you just get my gut feeling.. though I think I'm always more trusting of girls.. I don't know why ><
So thats my take on it. Think what you like for now. Its way to early to actually have anything to go on yet.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Not always...
Take an experienced player... They won't act out over one little random vote. In fact some people won't do anything when they are one vote away from a lynch. This early in the game a vote is meaningless.
Now take an inexperienced player. They get a vote on them and might go crazy. They don't want to be singled out this early. And if they are town they might do some rookie mistake that will eventually get them lynched.
In short, sometimes random votes are not only worthless, they actually hurt the town.
Now sometimes you can get lucky. You can hit a newbie mafia. Then you might get somewhere. Or you can hit an experienced mafia and maybe get lucky. Or hit a town and have one of the mafia do a mistake. But overall the random voteing is only good to get in posts quickly. The vote itself is overall meaningless.
Now I on the otherhand, try to promote activity without the early voting. It A) doesn't create early game conflicts between players, B) Doesn't give me any early "stands" on players and C) Doesn't give the mafia any fodder to use against me. Mostly all random voting is is people posting. So I figure, just post. Don't even bother with random votes.
And I'm not saying votes don't hold pressure on people. If you can give a logical reason, good support, and a semi-viable presentation about how someone "might" be mafia, then vote them, it will create some pressure. No one will be worried about a "I think you look crazy, Vote: You!" But they might get scared when you come at them with "You said this, this, and did this. A towny would never blank. So you are either a bad player or mafia! Vote: You!"
Or thats my take on it. I do random vote sometimes... Mostly I vote for the Mod or myself though... I never risk pressuring a newb towny into something I will later regret...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Wow for a second there I thought I had to answer two questions... turns out its the same one...
Ok.. sure...
Sir Tornado said "Because, if you don't make up a vote, or do something similar to get responses from people, the game never actually gets underway." (I didn't feel liek quoting right now...)
Now I take that as you trying to tell us to vote. To me, thats a big weird. I haven't voted yet and jsut by talking got you and Mith to both actively ask me stuff. So, Yeah saying you have to vote or something similar (An Fos? How similar can you get to a vote??) to promote activity is crap. And when someone says something thats crap I think it makes them look suspicious. But I don't consider this a scum tell at all.
I'm very careful with my accusations of scum, just because I have a small feeling on someone doesn't mean I automatically assume they are scum. But it does make me look more closely at their posts from then on.
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@Mith: My whole point when I vote myself or the Mod is just to joke around. I don't try to promote anything with them. Like I said I'm not a fan of random votes...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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When did I say Torn was Mith's backup?
Also... Mathematically... everyone is more likely town in you argument. So it still proves nothing.
But, take it like this, each player has a 50/50 chance of being mafia or town because its all randomly assigned. So Mith has a 50% chance to be mafia. As do I, as does Sir Torn, as do you.
This early I have nothing on Mith. But in my experience, a lot of really good mafia players like to really help out the town and newbies so they gain trust from them. I can see this as Mith's plan, or I can see him as a really good IC helping us. I didn't vote for him because I didn't have anything to go on. Just because I said he was on top of my list meant nothing this early.
Also the Now "if I'm town" comment could have been worded better.. maybe.. "As town. I see Mith as a resource." Its not really important, but using the words "If I'm town" When the phrase "I am town" Would be better seems weird to me. I'm not saying it means anything, just a thought.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually I thought in depth about this for a while... see there has to be the exact same odds for everyone seeing as how its random. and because theres only two choices it becomes yoru either town or mafia. The fact that there are more town roles shouldn;t actually play a part when it comes down to the overall point.
See the first person to get their role can either be town or mafia, then the same goes for the next. Thats 50/50 for both. Then you have to go into are both mafia roles assigned yet? So the next person might have a 50/50 chance or might have a 100% chance of being town, then the same goes for the rest.
But, there is no rule saying who the first two people are. If its truely random the Mod should pick a name at random and assign at random. So any one of us could be picked first, so we all have the option of being A) A town or B) a mafia. THen if we become town theres like 25% chance at doc 25% chance at cop 50% at vanilla...
Thats jsut my basic principle. You have to look at some other details, does the Mod go off the original list? That would then say who the first two to get roles are. Does the mod flip coins or pull out of a hat? Does the mod jsut randomly do it in their head? What are the mod's views on IC's on the same side?
The concept of trying to rationalize a percentage of being mafia, or a ratio of town to mafia can be seen from many many different view points, and can never be the same in two different games.
But the fact of there only being two outcomes, (Town or mafia) means that each one has a 50% chance of happening. Or as I like to put it, a coin flip.
the 2/7 and the 5/7 thing is a good way to look at it in general, but its still a toss up 50% chance per person until you know the others.
But all of this is meaningless soIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Oh i bet $50!
Ok Jmar... Mafia or town... *flips coin* Heads... Town...
Korlash... *flips coin*... Heads... town...
Mith >.> <.< *replaces coin* *Flips coin* ... Wow... it fell through a crack... this game is rigged! I want my money back!!!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I already said that...
"See the first person to get their role can either be town or mafia, then the same goes for the next. Thats 50/50 for both. Then you have to go into are both mafia roles assigned yet? So the next person might have a 50/50 chance or might have a 100% chance of being town, then the same goes for the rest. "
My point is that no one should automatically get their roles first. So we have 7 players. And before any of them get a role they all have a 50/50 chance. If any of them can be chosen first then any of them can have that 50/50 shot.
But for the sake of not getting another lesson from Mith, and for not giving the mafia any more fodder to use against me, I'll admit the 2/7 5/7 is a better way to look at it... At least until I solidify my argument... >.> <.<It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually I spent a good 5 hours on my thinking way back when... I was trying to prove/Disprove the whole Both IC's are likely to be one mafia one town thing. I must have flipped 100 coins, drawn lots over 3 dozen times, threw darts, randomly assigned in my head, used a random probability thing on my calculator, dice rolls, dropping marbles, and all manners of what nots. It was a slow day... ><
Suffice it to say, each method of picking randomly has a different outcome and probability. Picking from a hat does get you the 5/7 2/7 ratio. Yet coin flips cannot have more then a 1:2 ratio. My argument is still flawed and will need more work before I actually try to use it. So i do love all the talk! Research!
Yet I still see no grounds on which this argument even holds so far in this game so all this talk is kinda pointless.
As for what I would say on Sir Torny as of this very second... if my life, the game, and all the turtles in the world depended on it... would be... Wait... What’s wrong with the Alaskan educational system? I was raised down South... taught to count on all 40 of my fingers and how to say my A, B, Ts! Just because I am trying to create a viable, theory in which I can understand randomness, probability, outcomes, ratios, and all manner of the laws of Physics, gravity, and dice roles, doesn’t mean I ain’t no smart!
Back to Torn... I would say he is town. And I would say You are town. Yes you! The person reading this... Hi... Yes I see you.. I'm behind you! BOO!
There has only been 2 pages of posts, with three of the players still as unknowns mostly. There isn’t enough to go on at all. But in the interest of promoting activity I spoke my mind about a simple statement Torny said and you seem adamant in either clarifying that (To a very overly extent) or trying to make me come off as a bad guy for suggesting it. this could just be you trying to promote useful discussion, player activity, or clarification of some hazy statement. I don't know which...
But in my mind the term "Suspicious" and "Scummy" Don't mean the same. suspicious means they did something you either didn't expect, or that you didn't want them to. So you point it out in hopes they give you a reason, give you more to go on, or fix it. A lot of town do a lot of suspicious things, sometimes they contradict themselves because their views have changed from other peoples posts. Some people automatically assume a contradiction means your scum, it doesn't. Sometimes there is a very reasonable excuse.
Scummy, on the other hand, is a slightly higher step up. This would be things you actually classify as scum tells, or mafia behavior. I myself have my own privet list of some scummy behavior. I try not to bring it up because most people don’t seem to agree with me on any of it… So meh… The scummy behavior is what you would actually use against people when you vote them. Take reasons for their votes, lynching a towny, twisting words and statements to make that person seem town, certain comments, etc… can all be considered scummy to some degree.
I personally do use the words scummy and suspicious together or even intertwined. But this early on I can’t say anyone has done anything scummy. Maybe to promote activity I will say something is suspicious and see what happens. But overall, you can’t really tell the scum yet. Well I can’t… I don’t know what the hell you guys can do… Maybe you guys can like.. read minds… or… like… the Role pms… HACKERS! I banish you all to the outside… Breath in that horrible fresh air and bask in the blazing rays of the sun! BURN DEMON BURN! *throws water at you*It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok... I just find it funny your turning me saying Sir Torny is suspicious into an "Attack" (sorta) on me when your the only one who is actually voting for him ATM.
As for backup... My top two doesn't automattically mean I think they are working together. In this case, they could be (Not enough to go on) but I havn't really seen a connection between them...
In fact if I had to guess a partnership... this early... I would say Jmar and Sir Torn the most likely. My reasoning: One of the biggest things I do as mafia, and I do it a lot, is I vote for my partner, early. In turn I often get my partner voting me either right after that, or very soon after. So when two people vote each other on page one, using the old OMGUS thing, then it peeks my interest.
BUT! Because sir Torn's vote was random it kills this theory. Which is why I don't have a vote up yet.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Again I'm nto trying to turn it against you. The above argument can;t apply to a random vote.
Also the term "backup" I took to mean partner. If thats not what your implying then my bad.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ohhh ok... that makes sense...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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So you think the movies are more important then us? ;_; I feel so unloved...
Also I am now hungry for popcorn... Weird...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well the Proceedings so far have been nice. I think it coulda been sped up a bit though... And she looked so lovely with her gown on... ;_;
Also... What? Just cause I'm suspect your not happy with me? I try and I try and you just don't appreciate me! Thats it! This relationship is over! OVER!
... Goes to the movies and doesn't even bring me back popcorn... Sniff... The jerk...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I actually would put my FoS on Havok... At least we know something about Stephy... Unknowns are dangerous... and scary... and kinda boring... *poke*
How long till Havok gets prodded?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I agree with that too. I unfortunately, in another game, put a vote based on my gut feelings an people asked me why I would vote someone for no reason. So I told them little tiny details and what not and they turned it around saying my "attack" Is BS and scummy. So, while I trust my gut, I never vote on it unless I get hard evidence... I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who at least uses his gut every now and then.
And wow... I did not expect Havok to be all... Smart like and what not... Kudos for us...
Also I don't get high... Geeze... I just think jokes help keep the mood calm and stuff... I've seen some pretty bad flaming in a few mafia games and people just get so mad and start to kill each other off for no reason... I don't want to see that here so... Jokes!
So sorry if you don't like it but its how I play...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well in my opinion OMGUS votes aren't always a scum tell... I mean like jmar did it it was more a random vote then anything. Just a random vote that had a small reasoning behind it... Like a dice role.. just... a one sided dice... ><
So I don;t see it as ALWAYS being desperation... sure MAfia could use it a lot but a OMGUS vote right off the bat doesn;t mean anything this early... Sure in another 4 or 6 pages if his OMGUS vote is still on then yeah... I might its weird...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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lolz...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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You hear that guys... Be careful not to trip his Scumdar.. it could fall and break a hip... ahhh... man it may have been lame but it was so worth it... yeah... Zing...
Also.. no offense.. but you keep using me and Mith as examples and yet you didn't really give me anything to defend... so I keep getting the feeling your trying to gain my trust and what not which is kinda suspicious cause you don't know me and I don't know you... Just a thing I keep seeing as fishy...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Whats wrong with awful puns? ;_;
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Thats like... half my act... What are your feelings on oximorons?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Yay for lack of math skills not meaning anything! Boo for Sir Torny thing...
And I really can't seem to make sense of what Holy just asked... something about if she hadn't been asking for more info would she have stayed on the not so much list...
The only reason I could see asking this would be to judge what Mith says... But I don't know.. this is one of those things where I actually have no clue whats going on....It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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What he said...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Aww I want a turn to be tested... I hope its multiple choice cause I suck at fill in the blank and essay! XD
And I think I'm way to tired tonight cause all I can do when reading posts is blink a lot and try not to fall over backwards... so... I'll see where I stand tomorrow... ha... stand... ahhh.... man I really am tired...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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@ Holy... if it's not prying or anything where exactly are you from? (Country/Continent is fine...) Nothing personal I just want to know if your grammer mistakes are from speed posting or from bad translation...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Man inactive players seem to make the game drag out with no direction for a while... Man someone do something scummy so we have soemthing to go on
As for jmar's statement.. I would like to see what he calls mistakes too... Being Newbie mafia... it's... I don't know... Expected for mistakes to happen... and bad grammer in no way should be used against a person to prove scumminess... As Mith said how you say something can mean everything... But if you say everything differently then others would you need to be given special circumstances...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Can we kinda drop the WIFOM thing? In reality... all this discussion... gets us absolutely nowhere... Literally...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ehhh I think your time woul dbe better spent rereading an issue of US Weekly... Ohh... 10 ways to lose weight by 2021... awsome...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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"Get off" and "stay" are almost the exact opposite... if you want to "Get off" a list you want to no longer be on that list and if you want to "stay " on a list you do want to be on that list... so... WTF are you talking about?!?!?! o.O
And how the hell can you defend yourself if you don't know why you are on someone's suspect list? Your making a crap load of not-sense...
FoS: jmarIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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NOOOOO! No one from MDV!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO....It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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sweet I always knew I liked you Lionden... You get me ^^
And FYI.. I believe we had a talk about "gut feelings" and apparently they are great tools here... so.. yeah... General feelings are all around ok...
As for jmar... He keeps setting off my alarm but seems to correct it ok each time... I chalk it up to simple newbie/rookie/overall mistakes... small suspicion but overall town vibe..
Holy... I don't know... I think if you look past all the bad grammar and bad wording you get a novice townie but you can't rule out just a simple bad grammared mafia player either...
As for Lionden I never got to strong a feeling off Stephy so I cant say for sure... I say simple unknown ATM...
Mith... seems town.. but you can never completely rule out any experienced player.. so... IGMEOY! *Stern face*
Havok and Sir Torn are my top picks just because of lurking and what not... I'm not ready to throw a band wagon on any of them yet but I willVote: Sir Tornadoto get the game moving... I would like to get more from each of them along with Lioden's greater insight...
And so my math doesn't add up... Sue me... Puns FTW!It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I have a thought.. Holy already answered that and no one seems to have heard her... Stop using the same bullet to try and force pressure a newbie into digging a hole for themselves...
She only meant to find out what she had done to get on his "FoS list" or however she said it... The point being, she had no idea why Mith suspected her and was trying to find out what she had done... because of how ti was worded people jumped on it and blew it out of proportion... Finding out why someone suspects you is not scummy... it is the only way you can defend yourself... if you say "I vote so and so because he has been scummy!" How does the person defend himself? He has to ask...
So I don't think that bringing it up every 4 posts and forcing Holy to keep trying to defend against it is beneficial to the town as a whole... Sure I would totally be into more info from her, but not about a dead subject...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Yup... But I like how shes getting better and posting a lot more... moving away from an unknown and I can finally get a reading on her...
But havok and Sir Torn really need to say something useful like... NOW!
Also I like how Lionden posts a lot of useful stuff too... very nice... Still not enough to give a opinion though...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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thanksgiving? I thought that was next month o.O
... weird...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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well duh... You only have to go through... like.. 8 posts... How scummy can a guy be in 8 posts?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Thats good because throwing things is wrong.. You could hit someone or poke out their eye or knock over a vase... Or an urn... Man that would suck...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ehh.. I don't think you can automatically connect saying Mith is a resource to Jmar disagreeing with him about some subject... Just seems like a far fetched thing to be saying...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ouch.. no one likes puns anymore...
And two points... First... "Trapping" in any way is kinda scummy... If you reread something and then come up with a lot of the same things happening you can bring them all up.. but if you intentionally try to make a person do something you can use against them it seems... well scummy to me... You could say your doing something to judge their response and if they do a certain one then you would jump on that case... Although I would think that its a lot like "Trapping" too... Or would it be baiting... I say this to get you to say that.. sounds like baiting.. same thing I guess...
Point Numeral Duce... I kinda just reread a lot and I don't see anywhere where jmar actually says "I trust Stephy!" In any real way shape or form... So things don't look very good for you Havok... On the plus side... I am the kind of person to look at things from two sides.. (Sometimes 3,4, or 8... Depending on the situation...) and I can say that I see where you may have gotten that mixed up...
See, if I was "Attacking" someone in any way and another person was using my "attack" against me and saying it was to fast, to quick, not enough evidence, reasons are bad, blah blah blah I see that as defending the person I am attacking (Providing its not the person I'm attacking who said the stuff) and I see no reason to defend someone unless you have some form of trust in them... i.e. They are your scum partner, you have a good feeling they are town, you don't think a lynch is a good thing ATM, etc...
So I can see why you would think jmar trusted Stephy, especially if your like me and go a good week without a reread... But FYI I wouldn't keep using that in your posts anymore...
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Havok_Some# wrote:Oh, and the only way to offend me is to keep making awful puns. Seriously, that could get you lynched.
If your going to vote me for puns I would like to see a complete list of every one I have used this game along with your take on it, also include jokes...Havok_Same# as before wrote:Back to the drawing board...I should just vote Korlash for the puns instead.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I don't know.. I can see where she is coming from... You could just be trying to "seem really innocent/helpful" But I really don't think you meant anything by it...
And I know I shouldn't but I can't help but try and hold Holy to a completely different standard them everyone else... I just find it hard to judge everything she says the same as everyone else... I don't know.. right now I don't think it matters too much.. but it could come back and bite me later...
Oh Well I'm with Mith... I'll reread tomorrow... Right now.. its party time... Conga conga conga... conga conga conga...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Not THAT bad... but in mafia the way things are said, and what things could actually mean, are a very big tool we use (Scum uses it too unfortunately, to twist what we say against us) to find out the scum. I just don't want to make a mistake and make a case against you over something said wrong or taken out of context... I think I'll just do a bad mafia move and assume your town for a whileIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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And I agree with that. But you also have to agree that basing your questions on previous actions/statements in order to prove a point is a pretty good attack for both Town/mafia.
However, saying that acting defensive automatically makes you scummy, is in fact, a downright lie. Especially if the question is, in fact, loaded in any way, shape, or form. In this case I can't even remember what the question was and I'm too tired to backtrack and check it out so... I won't push this any further...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok... I look forward to it...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I too am leaning towards Sir Torny... for I believe my activity promoting vote was placed on him and yet.. nothing...
So... Is he qualifying for prod value yet or what? To tired to look up his last post... Just finished with my angry Gene Wilder impression in another game and that always make me sleepy... *yawns*
So.. *poke sir Tornado*
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*Then steals his wallet*
=DIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Well my top three would be Sir Torny jmar and havok although I would not vote for either Havok or jmar ATM...
I am not against picking Sir Torny as our deadline kill (If we decide to kill someone) Mostly because he like... never posts anymore...
Other then that I am fully against a lynch on anyone else... In fact I would rather just no lynch then kill because of a deadline now that I think about it... Still... Sir Torny needs to post something...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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OMG... If I had contradicted myself I would totally notVote: Jmarright now.
Point a) a no lynch sucks ass
point b) A quick lynch because of a deadline sucks more because if it is a towny everyone who lynched that person gains the excuse "Because of the deadline!" thus we loose the scum/bandwagon factor during day 2.
Stop trying to create a reason for me to be the said quick lynch and get your facts straight.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Um... You brought it up... Unless your talking about something else...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ohh ok then...
When I said I would rather no lynch, I did not mean it was a good idea. What I mean is I would rather see no one die then have us kill off a person with only 3 votes when the deadline comes. And seeing as how a deadline is not even in effect right now I'm not too worried.
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I think we both just had misunderstandings there... Still glad to see sir Torny got prodded... Hopefully he will either talk or we get a replacement...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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ewwww! Get it off me! EWWWWW! SOMEONE HELP! Jmar's eye is on me! It's icky and gross! AWWWWW!
Do you require medical attention or can I just throw it away? :pIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Personally I think this to be the worst stereotype in mafia. Any mafia can be logical and reasonable, just like any townie can get defensive if you push them right. Take me. When it comes to anything at all to do with a deadline I get all stirred up. It's kinda my mafia pet peeve. I see a deadline as a stopping force for active discussion, a premature kill switch if you will to our collective information. And then being able to lynch with less makes a towny almost a sure thing to die. And as you saw before it makes me very paranoid that the mafia will jump the gun and try to start throwing attacks out with no evidence to back them up.Havok wrote:If you are scum, it'd probably be defensiveness. If you were town, it'd probably be logical and reasonable.
And FYI this quote is killed then from what you say... You said Jmar acted defensively the first time, then he didn't the second time... so what is he then? Half mafia half town?
I agree the mafia will sometimes be more likely to defend themselves but not always, it is never safe to assume that.
And wow... Input from Sir Torn... yet... it's all pretty... whats the word.. worthless... Heck of a post from someone who has been in lurk mode forever...
And I have already made my feelings on deadlines and the lynches clear. I only said that to see if it would add any more pressure to you to actually get you to talk. I have no intention of lynching just anyone, but if we do all agree to kill instead of not killing then I would rather get the player I know least from out of the picture so he is not an unknown tomorrow... In other words please post more....It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Alright, think what you want... But just notice I have never said kill before/again... other then in post 201 but that was about a deadline.
I referred to it as a lynch in 182 (The same post I said kill in) 188, 192, and 201. Not to mention every post before that. What made post 182 so special was that it would not be a lynch if we deadline "Killed" someone with only 3 votes. I'm sorry I cannot agree to call it a lynch without a majority vote, and 3 just isn't a majority...
But even I have to agree that the word kill for lynch is a good little shred of evidence. I'm going to file that away for future games! =DIt's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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well I pretty much explained it all I can. If you guys want to run with it go ahead. I can't think of anything else to say about it, so like you said, i woudl just waste our time...
I would rather actually get Sir Tornado to POST SOMETHING! So we don't come into Day 2 with nothing on him... same goes for Mith... where the hell is he?
(And you too Lionden... Need some more from you)It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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technically that was a quadruple post
And as for the Kill thing... Like I said there isn't much more I can think to explain it. I wasn't talking about a lynch so why would I use that word? I think your just trying to get easy, hard to defend against, logic on a townie so we (everyone else of course) jump on him before the deadline and you get to cruise to tomorrow with... well... I just reread... You have pretty much never had a post that lasted more then a a paragraph. And there are like 3 pages without a single post from you on them... Lurk much?It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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I personally don't consider a lynch with a less then majority vote count a real lynch. Deadlines are (in my opinion) both a necessity, and the worst thing in mafia.... >.> <.<
So I always get jumpy around one.
I mostly tried to defend it as best I could so others would see it was a kinda weird attack and hopefully not jump at it because of the deadline.
And as far as I now i have not actually made any attack at all against Sir Tornado. I may have used the term "Lurking" as an easier way of saying "Not posted enough during day 1" in hopes he would add more content before the Deadline.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Yeah, I thought I had made my opinions of how I feel about deadlines clear... (Perhaps it was in another thread)
i am not just going to randomly vote someone this close to a deadline. I will wait until I am very very sure of it. And if no one pops up as suspicious I will not vote. I hate deadline kills.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Weird... I thought I had posted here like... 4 hours ago... I musta never finished it...
Anyways I believe I had mentioned something about how Jmar would be my best pick for today's lynch based solely on how "pro-deadline kill" he is. I then said something about how that was not enough for my vote blah blah blah. In short, I put an FoS on him and ended it with something I really though you needed to hear... If forget what it was ><
Summary: I do not see why It is a good idea to "hammer" someone on a deadline because it gives the mafia the option of each voting the person and leaving the killing vote up to you. Also, it seems like a good excuse for you (if scum) to use tomorrow for hammering Holy.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Actually there is a difference (to me) between a no lynch and not lynching someone come a deadline.
See a no lynch requires a majority of us to vote it, while not lynching come deadline merely requires a majority of us to not be voting. See a no lynch is when a town comes together and agrees not to lynch, a deadline no lynch is when a mod stops the game before the town comes to a decision. See with the Mod killing our day, we have just lost a lot of posts and info we would have gotten if the day had continued. And so we have lost attacks, mistakes, strategies, scum tells, pro town tells, reasons to lynch, reasons to defend, FoSs, distancing, bad playing, crap logic, good logic, IC help, newbie mistakes, rookie questions, etc... etc... etc...
So as of right now I do not see enough evidence to kill anyone. So I have not voted. And come deadline I do not think I will have gained that much info on people in the short... 24ish hours we have... So... In a sense to put a vote on right now is just me taking a guess on who I think is mafia and I am not prepared to do that. In my opinion no lynch during the day and a random (ish) deadline kill are both bad plays, I just think a no lynch is slightly more productive as we do not lose the player.
I believe I am in like 3 games all with a deadline coming up (one tomorrow, one Friday, and I think the last one was moved to November 8) if you want to meta game me I say the same thing in all of them. I take a strong stand on deadlines and it takes a lot to get me to change. It's just the way I think.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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It's because I truly believe it. I see no reason to lynch Holy so I am against her death today. But if you guys somehow see her as being the most likely scum I obviously cannot stop you. I was just explaining why I am not voting and why I will not vote. I could care less what you guys do. Your all going to use the same excuse tomorrow anyways so "I told you so" would get me nowhere...It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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Ok fine... if you want me to make a vote fine.
Vote: Korlash
His apparent unwillingness to vote clearly shows he is scum because we all know that killing a towny day one is sooo much better then a no lynch! Admit it scum!
Ok... Don't get me wrong... but what you think you read and what you read should be the exact same thing. Maybe what you think the person meant and what he/she actually meant are two different things. That is why you ask them what the hell they meant!Lionden_56 wrote:I really, really don't like this. What you think you read and what you actually read are very different, and those differences are vitally important to a game such as this.
I just do not get what your trying to say here Lionden. I honestly do not understand you. Can you explain this to me? See, I think I just read something that made no sense followed by a vote. So in my mind, you seem like your trying to push Holy's death with no support. So I am asking you to clarify it. I do not assume you are scum for this, I assume there is a misunderstanding which I want cleared up.
And that is my biggest reason for not lynching/voting Holy. As far I see it. You all have been hounding her for mistakes. (Which is good) then she gives her excuse/reasons for it. (Also good) then you... what? say her reasons are not good enough? Say they are bad reasons? What? Show me why you think she SHOULD BE lynched. I have not seen (that I can remember off hand) one solid piece of evidence you three have made against her. Why should I make a list of not lynching reasons. You should be making me a list of reasons to lynch!
Now, as for a lynch whatever. There is more then enough of you people who disagree with me that my vote is not needed.Unvote:If you can come to a reasonable candidate amongst yourselves, please by all means vote them, lynch them, whatever. But don't come crying to me if it bites us in the ass.
Also what is the point in just voting somebody? how does that change anything at all? Give me one good reason why I have to have a vote? does it benefit town to have a meaningless vote on a random person? No. Does it help us in our lynch candidate? no. Does it give you more info come tomorrow? no. If you can convince me I am wrong here before the deadline I will place vote. If not, my no vote stays.It's not my job to be right, it's my job to be convincing.
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