DEFCON Mafia 4.0 - СЛАВА РОССИИ МАТЕРИ

[Nahdia]

4196 to 4417 is the window between 24 hours to impact, GreyICE being the assumed target, and the SK sub nuke landing.

Welp.

Vote: McMenno

Might as well go out with my vote on scum.

Well I'm probably dead by then but sure.

Lynch Menno first plox.

nothing is really scummy about mcmemester

Then who is scum exactly? I think Cheetory is town, I think Mastin and Reck are town, I think LLD is town, I think SpyreX is town. Vax felt like town based on Spiffeh's interaction, although it's a bit marginal still. MoI is town. I think GIF's counterclaim makes him likely town, that makes Hiplop at least not-Russian. That's 9 town. Zito is likely town from the sub, although he could be scum earning points. Nahdia is town.

You and me are probably dying.

So that leaves what, Accountant, Cephrir, McMenno, Ircher? I still think Accountant is pretty town. Hiplop could be SK I suppose, he's done jack shit. Nuking Cephrir sadly is probably not the worst.

OK, he did.

[Nahdia]

There's also your extremely lackluster play. You've been doing lots of lurking. You've not really been doing much in the way of scumhunting. Your main contribution to this game was nuking Accountant. On D1 you made a bunch of safe votes: Early Vaxkiller. Early UT. Parked in Not Voting. Vaxkiller when there was no chance of getting a wagon there. On D2 you went for Nukebringer when there was no chance of a wagon there. The only time you voted yesterday was early on McMenno. That's nothing condemning, but it sure's not a glowing review.

You've made halfhearted pushes the whole game, with no conviction behind your actions. Sure, you told us Nukebringer was scum. But you didn't try to really convince us. You just let the wagon on SAD happen, for instance. And have done nothing but coast, cruise, on the townreads that people have garnered on you since then.

Is that damning?
Hell no.

It's enough where of the six, though, you remain one of the main candidates. You're not THE main candidate to me--GreyICE, LLD, and SpyreX each individually hold more reason to be scum. Yet you don't sound town. You haven't been town. So you're in the suspect pool.

If you don't like it: lynch scum. Or, fuck, you have a nuke. Nuke scum. Town it up. Give content. Prove you're not scum. What you're giving now will never cut it in the endgame. I might not be around there to push. Others will be.

Mastin.

I cannot be SK.

And I've been asking to be investigated since day 1.

How exactly am I scum?

Well, you're scum if I'm your partner

[Nahdia]

{mastina, Untrod, LLD}
{Cheetory6, GreyICE}
{Vax, Cephrir}
{MoI, SpyreX}

This guy is the goddamn terrorist yo: {hiplop}

[Nahdia]

GreyICE did know about the weird factional kill mechanics. That was odd.

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

[Nahdia]

^

[Nahdia]

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

mastina LLD lookin' at you two on this one.

[Nahdia]

Is factional abilities working like that a thing that used to be prevalent? Cause I've never witnessed it myself.

mastina LLD lookin' at you two on this one.

No it's incredibly rare that a game has a mechanic where the kills are performed as a team and not by an individual. Having it be a factional ability and having that ability be able to be used in addition to any other ability is normal, but it's rare that the entire kill is performed without an action provider.

So do you have any idea why GreyICE assumed it worked in that incredibly rare way? Cause if not yeah I'm very comfortable with him shooting down on my list.

[Nahdia]

I'd prefer Cheetory nukes GreyICE followed by a MagnaofIllusion lynch >_>

[Nahdia]

Well, I mean, you're right. It's just what I would like to have happen.

[Nahdia]

Personally I'll be really shocked if Cheetory flips scum, actually. Maybe I do disagree with the notion of aiming a nuke at the fail safe. I kinda feel the need to math out how many mislynches we have and such.

[Nahdia]

LLD, we

can't

lynch Cheetory today. He's battleshipped; the battleship info specifically states it'll protect against a lynch as well if nothing else has come that slot's way.

[Nahdia]

Which... now that I remember that, it would have been safe for him to nuke the fail safe.

Bleeeeh. Whatever, I'm happy with a hiplop nuke.

[Nahdia]

Hey now, that's sorta crossing a line :\

[Nahdia]

I appreciate everyone in this game and am having a nice time, thank you all.

[Nahdia]

Hmm. Anyone care to test-lynch Cheetory to see if Cephrir is just making an excuse?

p-edit: dammit i saw that.

[Nahdia]

mastina can you lay out why Untrod is definitely not Russian? I had the same thoughts on him for awhile but honestly I'm starting to re-examine and wonder if I'm wrong there in particular. I remember him being a counterwagon to S_S, was there other stuff?

Mod, if a lynch is averted by Battleship, does it end the day?

No.

OH HEY GEE SWELL.

ANYONE WANNA TEST A CLAIM WITH ME?

you wanna maybe wait for the nukes to fall?

Uh I was talking about this and you have me confused now.

[Nahdia]

whoops meant to quote Ceph there.

[Nahdia]

oh im high. that was totally Untrod.

[Nahdia]

Uh I was talking about this and you have me confused now.

huh?

I tend to read stuff in order and comment as I go

Sorry, I totally mucked this up. Lemme explain what happened.

"Factional ability" meaning no one submits it is a weird concept to me, one I've never seen before. So someone already knowing that's what it meant had me wondering if that person knew it because they're Russian. So I asked people if that definition of "factional" used to be common before my time or something.

I just, got it reversed in my mind who said what. You were the one who knew what it actually meant before Andrius confirmed it.

[Nahdia]

Got it. Pretty sure it means nothing then. Sorry about the confusion.

[Nahdia]

I'm trying to be respectful here. I still have plenty of room to reassess especially after the current nukes in the air drop. But please just hear me out. I'm confused by this mindset you seem to have about mafia where everyone who doesn't 100% agree with you needs to die, no matter what. It just doesn't make sense. This game isn't about killing people who don't agree with you, it's about finding scum, something which seems to be second priority to you. From my perspective, your goal seems to be to kill the people you don't like. Normally, I would have trouble seeing any kind of town-motivation in legitimately pushing a multitude of liability kills. Even in the context of this game, I'm seriously struggling with it. If you're town, you have to work with me. If you think I've made an error in analysis or judgement, don't just say I need to die as a liability, explain it to me. Please. I'm not ridiculously stubborn, I will listen to you, and I will work with you.

Well let’s talk. There are several incorrect assumptions in the post. I’m not sure whether that is intentional (scum indication) or just happenstance. So let me address them.

1. My wanting you not to go to endgame is based on you disagreeing with me. That’s far from the truth. The reason I don’t want you in endgame for that post specifically is that is shows to me a complete lack of reflection on the game state from my point of view. You’ve lined up four people who from that post are the only players you think are Commie and Terrorist – Vax, myself, Spyrex and hiplop. From my perspective that is a bad list on its face. Let’s set aside hiplop for a second since you clearly think he’s the terrorist. How do you think teams of Spyrex / me, me / Vax or Vax / Spyrex make sense. There is nothing in your posting that indicates why you think that. And from my own perspective I know I’m Town so you’ve basically called the scum team of Spyrex / Vax. We’ll know whether Vax is Mafia soon enough. Before that can you explain why you think that team pairing makes sense? I don’t see it myself and thus have a hard time believing you honestly thought all four of those players being dead would win the game for Town. And if you didn’t think that when making that list then congratulations you’ve done exactly what you called me out on – asking for kills on other than a scum-read basis.

You're right. I'm not basing my reads on pair reading. My list of people I want dead is purely based on the people who I feel

individually

are most likely to flip scum at this point. And once they're all dead, if the game isn't over, I'll look at whoever flipping Russian from that crowd and absolutely I'll begin analyzing who I think would be likely to be their partner. But for now no, I just don't think it'll be more helpful for me to speculate on pairs when I can just point out individually scummy players.

2. That I think you are Town. This is more implied but the fact remains you spent the early days saying “I should be utility Nuked” over and over. Yet today when I basically say “Utility Nuke her before endgame” your reaction is “OMG WHAT SCUMZORZ” which is not consistent at all. If you were OK being a Utility Nuke before that should not have changed for you as Town. I find that suspect.

The reason for utility nuking me was based on me potentially corrupting GiF's ability to mechsolve the game. GiF is dead. One of his checks is dead. The other of his checks has a nuke in the air headed towards him. There is no good reason left to utility nuke me unless you want to do so purely because you disagree with my reads, which is never something I've been okay with.

3. That my pushing for multiple deaths is not Town. Wrong. Just plain wrong. Given my issues with point 1 and my perception of your play I don’t want you, if you are Town, alive to be part of a decision that might lose the game when Town still has a solid chance. The fact that you have LLD as solid Town in your reads list reinforces my perception for the reasons I addressed above. That may sting your ego and that's unfortunate but I've had career here on MS of dying and watching players make poor decisions in endgame. In this set-up Town has significantly more power to shape endgame while not sacrificing lynches on scum candidates. And that power should absolutely be used.

Alright. I can accept there's potential town motivation in it (I still think it's a terrible, arrogant strat) but quite frankly, the scum motivation for pushing such a move is still just as blatantly apparent.

[Nahdia]

[Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Game Event]

...

[NORAD SYSTEM] ALERT. ALERT. NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Attempting to locate launch site...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile tracked to facility XR-843, currently commanded by

Cheetory6

.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Analyzing flight trajectory…
[NORAD SYSTEM] Missile is currently targeting coordinates registered to

hiplop

.
[NORAD SYSTEM] Estimating time until impact...
[NORAD SYSTEM] Warhead will detonate in (expired on 2016-12-11 00:00:35)

[Nahdia]

The reason for utility nuking me was based on me potentially corrupting GiF's ability to mechsolve the game. GiF is dead. One of his checks is dead. The other of his checks has a nuke in the air headed towards him. There is no good reason left to utility nuke me unless you want to do so purely because you disagree with my reads, which is never something I've been okay with.

How about I think you still stand a chance of being scum? Does that not sit okay with you? Don’t answer that – that’s just to demonstrate you are trying to parse suspicion of you as scummy. I mean the discontinuity with “I think these players could all be scum and if I’m wrong I’ll move on” is painful at this stage. That’s exactly my stance on you and mastin and yet you are OK with yourself ticking off questionable players from the game so you can PoE later but find it distasteful for me. Cognitive Dissonance at work.

That's

fine. If you honestly think I'm scum, fine. But you keep making reasons why I should die

despite my being town

. That's scummy to me; you're basically giving yourself an out regardless of my flip. When I flip town, you can just say "well I already said why they needed to die even if they're town". I'm not making justifications for why my bottom four need to die regardless of their alignment, I'm just saying "these are the people who I'm not townreading. I want them dead because I think there's a good chance we find multiple scum in them".

Alright. I can accept there's potential town motivation in it (I still think it's a terrible, arrogant strat) but quite frankly, the scum motivation for pushing such a move is still just as blatantly apparent.

Congratulations on trying to sell something you now admit as being NAI as scummy.

I'm admitting that coming from you, there's both town motivation and scum motivation. That's part of how I hunt. I look at a player's actions and try to break down what the potential town motivation and what the potential scum motivation is. If I don't see any town motivation which I find believable, I register it as scummy.

[Nahdia]

I do.

[Nahdia]

I'm a bit sad.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: SpyreX

[Nahdia]

Hmm?

[Nahdia]

I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[Nahdia]

he means if hiplop flips town.

[Nahdia]

Ssshh you're dead.

[Nahdia]

hi vi

[Nahdia]

Correct.

[Nahdia]

leaving me with all the warm and familiar unreasonable spammy yelly people

hi

[Nahdia]

Im very sad

I obvtown

Someone shoos me then replaces out

You're not obvtown. You've pretty much been the universal terrorist read.

[Nahdia]

Only reason you didn't die sooner is GiF's check on you.

[Nahdia]

if hiplop flips town, I can only assume SpyreX is the terrorist, even though I find that totally baffling. i can't comprehend anyone else nuking Papa Zito there when a nuke was already flying towards him. MAYBE untrod?

[Nahdia]

yeah plus just

why the fuck would terrorist take covert ops. it just doesn't make sense. totally baffling.

[Nahdia]

heeerreeee weeeee gooooooo

[Nahdia]

I would quote My Immortal.

[Nahdia]

Hey, wait a minute. SpyreX sabotaged Mastin on Night

Two

, right...? Or did I get that wrong?

Sh'mon, SpySpy. Things are about to get real.

Yes. Night 2 was the night Spiffeh died, the next day was the first day of DEFCON 1 which was the day mastin was sabbed.

[Nahdia]

Spoiler:

Untrod Tripod [5] - xRECKONERx, Ircher, mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito

Untrod Tripod [5] - Ircher, mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito, Cheetory6

Untrod Tripod [5] - Ircher, mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito, Cheetory6

Untrod Tripod [4] - mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito, Cheetory6

Untrod Tripod [4] - mastina, Something_Smart, Papa Zito, Cheetory6

Untrod Tripod [5] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, xRECKONERx

Untrod Tripod [6] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Fate, xRECKONERx

Untrod Tripod [7] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, xRECKONERx, Nukebringer, SpyreX

Untrod Tripod [8] - mastina, Papa Zito, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, xRECKONERx, Nukebringer, SpyreX, Fate

Untrod Tripod [5] - mastina, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nukebringer, Fate

Untrod Tripod [4] - mastina, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Fate

Untrod Tripod [6] - mastina, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Fate, Nahdia, McMenno

Untrod Tripod [10] - mastina, Cheetory6, Ser Arthur Dayne, Fate, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Accountant, Nukebringer

Untrod Tripod [10] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Accountant, Nukebringer, Ircher, MagnaofIllusion

Untrod Tripod [10] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Accountant, Nukebringer, Ircher, MagnaofIllusion

Untrod Tripod [8] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Nukebringer, Ircher

Untrod Tripod [9] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Cephrir

Untrod Tripod [10] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate

Untrod Tripod [11] - mastina, Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, hiplop, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, Spiffeh

Untrod Tripod [9] - Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, RedCoyote

Untrod Tripod [9] - Ser Arthur Dayne, Nahdia, McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, Nukebringer

Untrod Tripod [8] - Nahdia, McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, Nukebringer

Untrod Tripod [8] - Nahdia, McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Something_Smart, Vaxkiller, Fate, Nukebringer

Untrod Tripod [5] - McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Fate, Nukebringer

Untrod Tripod [5] - McMenno, ErrantParabola, Ircher, Fate, Nukebringer

[Nahdia]

Wait, maybe I'm brain farting but catch me up to speed. Where was it confirmed that Covert Ops can sabotage a sub?

[Nahdia]

And furthermore, would is sabotage both a sub and a silo if the terrorist had both?

[Nahdia]

I realize no one is pressuring me rn (except MoI kinda) but just wanted to point out that unless I'm scum with Cephrir as my partner, taking that huge risk in shooting GiF is some serious meshugaas coming from me. With radar dead I could just let GiF get false checks.

[Nahdia]

@mod If someone with a sabotaged nuke headed towards them commits suicide, do they still die?

[Nahdia]

that's cray.

[Nahdia]

Ceph i will give that just eating the pill here makes the most sense.

Unless you have a really compelling reason to just waste 48 hrs

so im probably like 5 steps behind everyone else just realizing this but since SpyreX sabbed mastin this post is kind of interesting.

[Nahdia]

I wouldn't really say I was begging to be utility nuked. I was accepting & anticipating the necessity.

[Nahdia]

mastina was heavily telegraphing heavily the day before DEFCON 1 that she was going to nuke LLD. I don't know to what degree SpyreX was basing his decision on that versus just his opinion of mastina's play.

[Nahdia]

o___o

[Nahdia]

ok i can continue to blow off studying.

So, just a recap. Whoever is the SK shot a nuke at Papa Zito while a nuke was already in the air towards him, and the only person who knew it was going to fail was SpyreX (and if he's Russian, any partners ofc)

It still follows that whoever make that shot is either SpyreX themselves or severely lacking attention to detail. That's why I thought strongly it was hiplop but apparently not.
Also, it being a weekend when the sub shot off, I'm thinking MoI is clear of being the terrorist unless Andrius allowed him to queue up a sub shot for midway through the weekend.

[Nahdia]

What about Untrod?

[Nahdia]

At this point I'm basically praying for a cross kill (or two) tonight.

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:
As far as deployments, I really don't see a terrorist taking Battleship or Covert Ops (and actually use it). It's just contrary to their wincon.

@mod Would you allow a player to request their submarine fire at a specific later hour?

[Nahdia]

@Magna could you claim your full deployment picks? Was failsafe your first choice?

As far as deployments, I really don't see a terrorist taking

[...]

Covert Ops (and actually use it). It's just contrary to their wincon.

You say that, but I would have thought the same thing about Town.

I mean, terrorist's wincon is for everyone to die indiscriminately, even themselves if necessary.

[Nahdia]

Ive already saved zito gosh

how's that?

shit how did I miss that

regardless, intercepting Reck was fucking stupid

oh.

[Nahdia]

VOTE: Untrod Tripod

[Nahdia]

wait no im thinking in reverse.
don't listen to me.
UNVOTE:

[Nahdia]

@Mod --> Theiretically speaking, if the SK has both the sub and the missile silo and has shot both (and both can still be intercepted), which nuke(s) will be interceoted by the strategic missile defense if they target the correct person? What if one of the nukes gets recalled? What happens?

If the SK had both a Silo and Sub and both nukes were flying, SMD would intercept the Silo nuke first.

In the second situation, the SMD would be targeting the Silo, and if the silo is recalled then the SMD would NOT switch targets to the Submarine nuke and would effectively be used up.

correct me if I'm wrong, but that confirms I don't have a silo yeah?

I don't have a submarine

fuck

no, unfortunately it doesn't.

oh, duh

I'm confusing silo and sub in that post. too many jargon.

For Untrod to be SK, this has to be dumbtelling.

[Nahdia]

But you think that was show? Cause the sk knew zito was safe.

Hmm hmm who was on zitos list

There's literally no way the SK knew zito was safe unless it's you. Or were you softing it or something?

[Nahdia]

I mean ut is smart enough to do all those things as sk.

Buttttt damnit

Pedit yes i was very not subtly saying he was safe

Eh, I'm looking at your posts around that time and I don't really see it. I mean I see you referring to him in particular but you say he's gonna be "avenged". I don't see how a third party with no information on your role would extrapolate that to "Zito has 100% been protected via Covert Ops, I should launch my sub nuke at them".

[Nahdia]

You have no control over who goes on the submarine list. It's RNG.

Dumbtelling? I dunnooo...

[Nahdia]

aww

[Nahdia]

UNVOTE:

fwiw, MoI and I have expressed doubts on each other.

[Nahdia]

@Nahdia] – do you think both Spyrex and I as scum of whatever flavor still?

Yes.

See this is the sort of post that makes me think she’s absolutely not game-solving. She expresses doubt that Spyrex would have no reason to Sub Nuke Papa since a Nuke was flying in the air at Papa at the time. Yet that makes no sense given Spyrex knew mastin’s nuke was a dud. So SK Spyrex would know that Papa was living.

And yet Nahdia tries to pass of Untrod as the person who MIGHT have done it when Spyrex would know he wasn’t dying. I agree that it isn’t Spyrex for other reasons but this shows to me Nahdia is not actually thinking about the game and game-state (despite her saying she is “rock solid” on mechanics earlier).

Which lines up with Scum motivated play – look active but not actually be doing the work behind the scenes. I see the backpedal when Spy points it out and the saving throw of “Oh, why would Terrorist chose Sabotage” which is correct. Not convinced.

Umm … Gif staying alive points right to you being able to give false checks …

Um …

1. Whoever shot the Sub at Papa was the Serial Killer so it is irrelevant if Spyrex as scum told his partners since they can’t be the Serial Killer by default.
2. Andy would totally allow for a queued up Sub Shot and I could do it from my phone so the reason for clearly me here is very weak.

Ok, stop.

Magna, are you actually this incredibly horrible at reading or are you willfully interpreting my lines in these completely ridiculoius ways so you can justify seeing me as scum and make me out to be stupid? You have some heavy confirmation bias, dude. Most of this doesn't even warrant a response. You sound like you're talking down to a five year old kid and I'm not having it.

[Nahdia]

Seriously. I respect you as a player but every time you address me I feel like you're trying to insult me. Rub all that confirmation bias out of your eyes, read those lines again, and try addressing me again without acting so damn arrogant.

[Nahdia]

His entrance into the game was really, really bad

Could you elaborate on this?

[Nahdia]

His entrance into the game was really, really bad

Could you elaborate on this?

Untrod? Friend? Why was Vi's entrance bad?

[Nahdia]

Untrod, friend, thanks. I just wanted to make sure it wasn't overlooked!

[Nahdia]

Not unless I saw a really really really convincing argument, no.

[Nahdia]

SpyreX > MoI > Untrod > GreyICE > LLD > Vi

[Nahdia]

im confused. do we have to lynch SK today or do we have to lynch russian today?

[Nahdia]

LLD, why as terrorist does GreyICE shoot his sub nuke at someone who already has a nuke headed towards them?

[Nahdia]

thank fuck. i was crossing my fingers for that.

[Nahdia]

This means GreyICE is clear of being Russian btw. Unless you think Russia no killed. Which I mean, maybe.

[Nahdia]

Gonna look back. If SpyreX is Russian, that means he knew mastina's nuke on him today wasn't doing shit.

This means GreyICE is clear of being Russian btw. Unless you think Russia no killed. Which I mean, maybe.

remind me on the specifics of this?

Russia's kill didn't go through Night 2 (we know this bc the other kill hit a Russian). ACC can't stop kills. This means the only feasible way their kill was stopped was that they tried to kill GreyICE. That, or they purposefully no killed/drove themselves into Cephrir's guard.

[Nahdia]

the "lmk if you want me to do anything else" or whatever it was may well have been Ceph, actually. Which would suggest SpyreX isn't his partner depending on the timing (need to check on that, not sure if Vax said/knew exactly when he got it).

[Nahdia]

Also; what do you think is the likelihood Ceph protected his final partner, meaning they're nuke/lynch proof today?

[Nahdia]

Mmhmm.

Either way, there's a strong likelihood the last Russian is lynchproof today.

[Nahdia]

If anything it makes you look bad since mastina

was

saying at the end of Day 3 that she wanted Ceph dead.

[Nahdia]

oh right.

hmm.

[Nahdia]

I remain reluctant :T

I want checkins from other people.

[Nahdia]

You can just say my name.

I wasn't saying your name on purpose. It's possible Ceph just lied about who he targeted. Of course, that runs the risk of being outted if his actual target was nuked/lynched.

When did Nahdia's V/LA start?

The 8th and I've been posting anyway, just wasn't sure how much time I'd have between finals.

[Nahdia]

Fate wanted UT dead.

Still waiting on why Vi's entrance was bad, btw.

[Nahdia]

Stealth Bomber: Starting at DEFCON 2, you may deploy your Stealth Bomber once per Night Phase to kill a target player. This is a factional ability.

I'm thought factional meant that it didn't come from a specific player?

And not that he couldn't have just known to begin with, but it makes sense that Untrod would know this since RECK targeted him with the ACC the night he killed Fate.

ATM I much favor a Untrod lynch over a GreyICE lynch. Townreading them because they're SS' counterwagon only makes sense if you're only Russian hunting. Untrod could still have been a non-russian counterwagon to SS and still be terrorist.

[Nahdia]

The night fate died, bluh bluh bluh semantics.

Wait, I get the UT-Terrorist thing now. Mastin targeted Papa Zito with a nuke (which could still have been recalled but whichever), and then the SK-Sub targeted Papa Zito before Mastin's nuke resolved.

Iiiiiii get iiiiiiiit

...okay it's like two hours later and I'm looking at this now and this... doesn't resolve anything about UT. It only really works if the Terrorist knew that Mastin's nuke was going to fail...

...doesn't... it...?

See, that's the problem. We assumed hiplop because hiplop didn't appear to be paying attention. The only person who knew the nuke was gonna fail was SpyreX. But he took Covert Ops. Why in God's name would SpyreX take Covert Ops as terrorist??? Not to mention, why incriminate himself by shooting a nuked player and then claim they were the only one who could know that nuke would fail.

[Nahdia]

ugh that got all garbled in my head. the point is me being the terrorist doesn't fit with your UT-would-kill-Fate narrative since I was roleblocked that night

...............................................but, you already stated you're aware factional abilities don't come from a specific player and thus can't be roleblocked.

The terrorist's kill is factional.

[Nahdia]

Something that could save you from nukes isn't necessarily a priority when you can achieve your wincon postmortem.

I also really love the "UT actually read the OP before he posted something" as a reason for scumreading me. that's pretty shit bro

I'm just a jerk like that, sorry.

I mean, it's all circumstantial. SOMEONE is the terrorist here, and I'm trying to piece together who it makes sense could be it.

[Nahdia]

Ah yes, my brilliant master plan as terrorist; pick the framer/lawyer role, explicitly say im picking it, acknowledge early on that there are scenarios under which i will need to be utility nuked. A role that will bait the ACC, which at the time I thought stopped the kill. Yes, brilliant. Man I'm good at mafia.

[Nahdia]

I don’t think anyone left alive is incompetent enough to have fired of a Terrorist Sub at a target who is already slated for Nuclear Death due to not paying attention. Which means very probably that they felt PZ was enough of a threat to them that it was worth wasting their Defcon3 stealth nuke in case PZ had been Doc protected.

I mean,

maybe

. But I don't see why as a terrorist you don't just... wait and see. Zito had already fired his nuke off.

Worth stating again that Fate was screaming for UT's death just before he got murdered. Really, someone should have taken notice of this sooner (or maybe they did & I missed it).

[Nahdia]

I read every Fate post in my head as, at the very least, a moderate "scream".

[Nahdia]

VOTE: TOTAL WAR

THE SCREAMING DEATH COUNCIL HAS DECIDED

Dude is like the Gordon Ramsey of MafiaScum.

[Nahdia]

Mm. Gotcha.

[Nahdia]

You can beseech me, sure. I'm just not sure I'm on board. If you frequently scumread GreyICE when you play together why wouldn't he kill you early? I kind of believe it when he says he would.

[Nahdia]

Nukes can be put in defense mode.

[Nahdia]

Uuuuhhggg. I don't know, dude. LLD hasn't convinced me on GreyICE at all, and I don't see why UT and SpyreX are voting there either. I understand the argument for voting SpyreX but just... his play and his draft are so un-SK like. Unless he's going for "do stuff the SK would never do". awiiefjosrehgui

[Nahdia]

you're stronger willed than i, Magna.

[Nahdia]

well, i won't say i told ya so, but im stating for the record now that i dont think he's scum.

but i mean, it should already be common knowledge that im Terrible At Mafia so if im wrong that's no shocker.

[Nahdia]

same diff

[Nahdia]

[Nahdia]

Untrod Tripod, please nuke me at your earliest convenience.

MagnaofIllusion, please nuke Nahdia.

If the game still isn't over, I'd suggest lynching LLD but tbh I think that should do it.

really? I mean, I'm find getting nuked, but I'm kind of surprised to suddenly be your top priority?

[Nahdia]

i did stuff...

[Nahdia]

whatever. i'm so astronomically dreadful at this game i'm not even going to offer my reads any more and just wait to to turn into radioactive dust. if anyone wants anything from me i'll comply but i certainly wouldn't trust me to get anything right ever.

[Nahdia]

standing by with my favorite pistol and my favorite non-bulletproof head.

[Nahdia]

heck vi can nuke me now and regardless of if she's sabbed i'll just blow my brains out. why wait?

[Nahdia]

just seems a waste to MoI's final shot on policy-nuking me for being a useless fuckhead.

[Nahdia]

nuke me already

[Nahdia]

i dare you.

[Nahdia]

[ ] voting Something_Smart before it was inevitable
[ ] naming any actual Russians as scum with any degree of threat (Nukebringer wound up as one of six at 1228) (also note a lack of any desire to kill Cephrir D4)
[x] naming any actual Russians as Town (Cephrir)
[ ] pushing anyone who was scum as scum (this jumps out from like every post made D3)
[ ] pushing anyone with any force
[x] but still putting forth the effort to make images
[ ] leaning on "hiplop is totes the Terrorist"
[ ] being totally inoffensive while the Town kills itself

I suppose there are some things checked off, if you want a technical definition if "did stuff".

sounds more like you're accusing me of being wrong. which is true. i did stuff tho, it was just, the wrong stuff.

If you trust me to be town
Vi nuke nahdia
Nahdia suicides
Ut launches at vi
Moi nukes ut
Ut and i vote lld

Will that work

oh true, we can actually bring it down to 1 person.

[Nahdia]

Hmmmm that would require perfect timing.

not really. as long as you don't accelerate the night, today's final nuke should touch down before dawn tomorrow.

[Nahdia]

I think we wait for MoI to do his thing. We go from there.

i want vi to nuke me first so my flip is factored in going forward.

[Nahdia]

If Vi can suicide nuke, then MoI can just shoot Nahdia and Vi can suicide if town?

what no. vi shoots her (sabotaged) nuke at me, i blow my brains out anyway. Then MoI decides who he wants to nuke. then you nuke someone. then you lynch someone.

[Nahdia]

dang, dude.

vi should still nuke me.

[Nahdia]

im like, really good at being really bad.

[Nahdia]

i can say what i think you should do and then you could do the total opposite of it. that might work.

[Nahdia]

i can say what i think you should do and then you could do the total opposite of it. that might work.

sure, while we're waiting around let's hear about that

lynch spyrex

[Nahdia]

@Vi

[Nahdia]

Uhhhh can Nahdia suicide if Vi's nuke is sabotaged...?

yes.

[Nahdia]

@mod If someone with a sabotaged nuke headed towards them commits suicide, do they still die?

Yes. The command is irreversible.

[Nahdia]

Come on, I want you to do it IwantyoutodoitcomeonHITME. HIT ME. COME ON HIT ME.

HIT ME.

[Nahdia]

Any reason why you want SpyreX lynched?

I flipped a coin between him and LLD.

[Nahdia]

Of course not. The coin was fake. I just couldn't come up with a better reason.

Do you want "trusts my convictions despite my track record Nahdia" or "take a random stab because I have zero faith in my own abilities Nahdia"?

[Nahdia]

Ask again later.

...As in, post-game.

[Nahdia]

I don't think UT is Russian because of his being the counterwagon to SS, but I think he's Russian because putting a silo is defense mode has way more scum motivation than town motivation in my mind.

I don't think SpyreX is Russian because of their interaction with Ceph, specifically the fact that it got a "simmer down" from Andrius, but I think he's Russian because all game I've been wary of him and setting up plans where he's the sole survivor just assuming we'd trust him implicitly at this stage seems odd.

I don't think LLD is Russian because hell, I don't know, I doubt her rage came from scum, call me naive. I do think she's Russian because as Russian, she

had

to get GreyICE lynched yesterday and quite frankly I still don't understand her case despite the flip.

Does it matter what I say about you, Vi? You're

literally

asking to be nuked. If fatalism is truly your last resort then good luck with that, sibling.

[Nahdia]

NUKE ME

[Nahdia]

Is someone with Fallout Shelter ahble to suicide even?

@mod

[Nahdia]

Well, there's that.

[Nahdia]

I do think she's Russian because as Russian, she had to get GreyICE lynched yesterday and quite frankly I still don't understand her case despite the flip.

also the MoI kill is very LLD

[Nahdia]

oh, right, nevermind on that.

[Nahdia]

on the MoI kill thing that is. wasnt thinking that all the way through.

[Nahdia]

I wonder just how much of a legitimate point GreyICE had when he said him being the Ruskie shot for their first kill points to LLD-scum since he'd be at the top of her priority list.

That would mean her brief push on Grey under the assumption he had the fail safe was entirely faked, mind you.

[Nahdia]

I do not wish to die a painful radioactive death.

.גוט גליק, איר באַסטערדז

[Nahdia]

Well

[Nahdia]

Thanks for the excellent modding, Andrius. All the flavor was fantastic.
(I think you screwed up SpyreX's flip though).

[Nahdia]

so does Russia become the town in DEFCON 5.0?

[Nahdia]

these are the important questions.

[Nahdia]

Anyway uh.

Sorry about killing myself so hastily. I was basically overcome with the notion that having been so painfully terrible the entire game, the best thing I could do was remove myself ASAP and stop tainting the thread with wrong. I can't say anything along the lines of "as I died, I suddenly realized it was UT." I left the game no fucking clue who was what. Especially near the end I felt waaaaay in over my head, what with the living playerlist basically amounting to being myself + a bunch of people infinitely better at mafia than I.

Being abysmal as town isn't anything new for me, hence why my strategy from post 1 was to remove Counterintelligence from the game. Really, it puts me in an awkward place going forward. On one hand, I really do want to improve, which I can only assume comes with practice. On the other, I feel like I shouldn't join games because if I flip town I fuck up and lose for everyone.

[Nahdia]

I also don't like that the only way I can be transparently town is being a fatalistic piece of garbage.

But enough complaining about my own play. Good job scum team. It was a pleasure getting punked by you.

[Nahdia]

modkilled.

[Nahdia]

The one thing that really cast UT into doubt for me was his saying Vi's entrance was terrible, because I basically had the exact opposite thought. I figured he might be fishing for a potential lynch there.

But he did explain it eventually and I just dropped it so meh.

[Nahdia]

i care