at first i was gonna ask what you were talking about, but on re-read, yeah, all we know is that we have a dead delayed recruiter, who said anything about a recruit?Battle Mage wrote:Woah. How do you know...Nemesis wrote:Sucks the cop is dead, but yay so is the cult. The delayed recruit will be wandering around tomorrow with no friends. (Survivor is a fun role, right?)
Out of curiousity, why are some of the numbers in the list bolded and some arn't?
1. There is a cult recruit?
2. This recruit is also 'delayed'?
Unvote, Vote: Nemesis
This is Bandwagon worthy.
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Given that JDGA was a bodyguard, he may not have been targeted at all. I've never played bodyguard, would it be usual to throw out a "blind" protect on night 0?Battle Mage wrote:Interesting kill choices too. Im not atall surprised by Tar or TJM, but JDGA seems a little strange. Who here has played with him before?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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i thought a body guard was someone who "took the bullet" if their chosen protectee is targeted for death. On ight 0, any chosen protectee would by necessity be an uninformed, and hence blind choice. If a bodyguard is a doc , then disregard everything I have saidShowAs Town: 3/8
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What does a recruiter do? Recruits people, yes? So if there was a regular recruiter you would assume there is a cult member running around.WhoMe wrote:at first i was gonna ask what you were talking about, but on re-read, yeah, all we know is that we have a dead delayed recruiter, who said anything about a recruit?
If you were a delayed SK, would you kill someone n0 so they'd die n1? Assuming the cultist works the same way, I'll ask you the same question; would you recruit someone n0 so they'd become cult n1?
So even if the recruit was delayed, they'd still exist tomorrow despite them being reduced to a survivor role.
works for me
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Still waiting for this expoundingPeers wrote:vote: battle mage
reason: if you're a miller, i'm a newbie.
will expound upon that more when at a computer, not a cell phone.
BM in this post you seem to be indicating that Rosso's knowledge of cult members is suspicious - what role exists that would have knowledge of cult status? I think this is a misrep of Rosso. I think he is just reasoning there is no cult, ie delayed means he couldn't start recruiting night 0, now he is dead, therefore no more cult. I can't think of a scummy role that would have priviledged info about this, apart from the guy who is dead.Battle Mage wrote:Rosso Carne wrote:alright, issue solved.
stop talking about the cult recruiter. he's dead, and now there is no cult.
the next person who talks about the cult recruiter as if its going to help the town to do so is going to be personally murdered.Vote: Rosso Carne
Should i ask what your issue with the game was?
Or perhaps more importantly, why you would feel the need to share that information with us?
Oh and not forgetting, an explanation of how you know there is no living members of the cult left.
kthxbai.
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could someone explain the miller role to me please? OK when investigated they come back as guilty, do they get any protown powers also, or are they just a vanilla who looks bad if investigated?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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so basically either
BM is lying scum and is claiming miller to avoid investigations
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BM is telling the truth, he's basically vanilla, but there's always going to be that uncertainty about him, and scum will try to play on that to get him lynched at a crucial moment
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Ummm you know this how exactly? the dead guy just has a description of cop, would it have said paranoid cop or whatever if that were the case? does just "cop" mean he was defo sane?Battle Mage wrote: Oh and i should note, any cop investigations now would be dubious anyway, due to potential insanity, as we already have a dead sane cop.
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Is rosso actually voting thenextepisode then? He used the word kill, not vote.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Updated vote count.
Fixed. Gorrad, pay more attention
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the only point is that there is a limited amount of info, this being day one, we are not approaching any sort of lynch (i think we are at 6/14 on our leading contender) and the page count is climbing. I know Day 1 interaction can be useful later on, but we could easily clock another 20 pages at this rate, I'd like to see the game progress is all.curiouskarmadog wrote:^^^ how did I see the end of that game?
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6 (now 7 i think) of us are all fairly scummy? Let's see some evidence of that please.armlx wrote:BM pretty much said everything relevant about the Matt S case, but something else of note was that all the people voting TLP were fairly scummy to start with.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Go on then, prove it. The comment of armix's I just jumped on is the first time in this game anything has been said against me, so what you are saying here is pure BS.Nemesis wrote:
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new play style. As u know i would normally have been lynched already as town ......Battle Mage wrote:
never seen u so aggressive before as town... 0.oWhoMe? wrote:
Go on then, prove it. The comment of armix's I just jumped on is the first time in this game anything has been said against me, so what you are saying here is pure BS.Nemesis wrote:
And is it just me or does WhoMe? seem only to pop up when someone is said against him?
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because after 28 pages we're no closer to a lynch thaan after 5 pages. It's becoming an exercise in futility.curiouskarmadog wrote:why are you guys doing this 28 pages into the game?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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well,
I'm not liking the proxying. How can we analyse someone's voting pattern, when they weren't placing their own posts? Also not liking the backdoor implication of miller masonhood.
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looking back at killa seven, this immediately rang bells for me.
It seemed pretty obvious to me that Rosso was just spoutin goff, and meant personally murder as in come round your house. Killa's seizing on this as some kind of scum/vig admission seems a little off.killa seven wrote:
so your basically saying your either scum or a sk? and you can kill someone..Rosso Carne wrote:alright, issue solved.
the next person who talks about the cult recruiter as if its going to help the town to do so is going to be personally murdered.
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I agree as well. There's no point getting within minutes of the deadline and having him popping up claiming a pro-town power role, either claim when there's enough time to still change the direction of the day, or don't bother.armlx wrote:I concur with dahill here. Him claiming earlier also has the benefit of us having a couple extra days to discuss other people aka better other lynch.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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OK,
I was going to ask why in the world we would want to lynch a claimed vig, but CKD's post above made the point of if he is a SK, he gets another kill.
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scenario a, he actually is a vig - lynching him is bad
scenario b, he is lying he is scum of the mafia kind - the real vig (if there is one) will kill him tonight - lynching him would be a waste, if we have a good alternative candidate, but if we have no good alternative, lynching him is beter than a mislynch
scenario c, he is lying and he is scum of the SK variety, all the points from scenario B apply, but we also have the chance of him killing again, and his kill may be town or scum.
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Given that he is claiming the throat slit, rather than the shotgunning (which sounds more viggish) I'm going to return my vote to killa. I agree with the people who have made cases for him being SK
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im already on killa so no vote required.
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Can someone explain to me why we need a deadline extension? What more are we trying to wring from the crushed sponge that is Day 1? We have found scum, of that I am certain. Surely we are not considering accepting his "I'll kill who you say" deal? Can we lynch killa7 already?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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i thought an appeal to emotion was when someone was under pressure?Battle Mage wrote:
Appeal to Emotion.WhoMe? wrote:Can someone explain to me why we need a deadline extension? What more are we trying to wring from the crushed sponge that is Day 1? We have found scum, of that I am certain. Surely we are not considering accepting his "I'll kill who you say" deal? Can we lynch killa7 already?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Not plain out in the open you didn't. If it was some kind of breadcrumb, point it out now. Even if you're telling the truth, does your guilty on him even mean anything? If he's telling the truth he's a miller, so of course you got a guilty.Rosso Carne wrote:ok guys.
i definitely claimed cultie cop day 1.
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I had thoughts in that direction myself. I think this is an attempt to get on the confirmed townie list.Battle Mage wrote:Vote: Rosso Carne
I'm about 99% sure of his guilt. I'll explain why later on tonight. The evidence is pretty near irrefutable.
step 1 claim an investigative role of a scum faction that was wiped out night 0.
step 2 find yourself a guilty by investigating a miller (oh wait you totally missed his miller claim and all the discussion around it in day 1 - hard to believe)
step 3 profit!
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which is precisely why it makes no sesnse for any kind of cop to have targeted him in the first place. What's he going to find? an innocent result? And as you pointed out, the BM miller discussion took up a lot of space, how could anyone have missed it? I want to hear a full explanation out of Rosso of exactly what role he is claiming and why he investigated BM.Imat wrote:I have no idea what you two are on about, but I'll let that go for now. However, I want an explanation of what, exactly, a cult cop is. Many of you seem to think its a Cop who gets guilty on Cult, but I'm more of the persuasion that he is a Cultist who retains his Investigative powers.
And a guilty on BM doesn't make him any less nulled than before. Scum also come up guilty, or at least Mafia do, so saying hes more innocent now because a Cop got a guilty on him is false. Which is exactly what we discussed much of Day 1.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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if that's addressed to me, that's not how I read his claim. I assumed him to mean a cop who finds cult members. Whethe ro rnot he's telling the truth tho....armlx wrote:Why would he claim being a cult recruit who can still investigate. Care to give me a reason?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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me too. If I believed he was town I wouldn't be voting him.armlx wrote:I'm on the he's not actually a cult cop and he's running something dumb here.
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Here was your postPeers wrote:
... okay, now I'm confused. I'm saying he's not townie -- I'm saying that if he were townie, well, he's not an important one, but I don't think he is due to the cult/miller/night 0 thing. So I'm getting an FOS... why, exactly?WhoMe? wrote:FOS Peers
What's the use in lynching a townie to get a confirmed townie, who would then be fodder for a scum NK? Let's lynch scum instead.
I'm voting him because I think he's scum. The only way lynching him would tell us is BM were a miller or not were if Rosso were telling the truth, and is indeed a Cult finding Cop. This is what you seem to believe because you stated that the gost of the plan was to confirm BM, and then said you approved. That's why I FOS'd. This also seems to make your last point claiming that you think Rosso is scum a shading of the truth. That FOS is staying put and may well become a vote at some point.Peers wrote:Okay, okay, I think I see where all this is going.
The gist of it is, we're lynching Rosso to see if BM is, indeed, a miller or not.
Basicly, we're getting rid of someone who is a) useless (in a power-role sense) if telling the truth and b) scum if lying to test the towniness of someone who is a) useless (in a power-role sense, not in a game-play sense) if telling the truth and b) scum if lying.
Right?
Given that this plan is mainly being formulated by the latter... okay, I agree with it.
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oh dear. you knw that BM will show up guilty no matter what do you? how? surely the mod didn't say that? Do you mean a miller would show up guilty no matter what?Rosso Carne wrote:the mod just changed his mind.
i now know that BM would show up guilty no matter what.
unvoteand can he please be vigged tonight. I'm tired of these exchanges with nemesis.
Even if you were told by the mod that BM would show up guilty no matter what, this would confirm him as a miller, so why would we want him dead?
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If you are telling truth about your role, and u got a guilty, then he is cult. Given that cult recruiter died N0, that seems unlikely, which would add weight to his actually being a miller, or am i missing something?Rosso Carne wrote:n0 i didnt have an inv.
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this is why I have been voting Rosso, it's not that I am sure of your alignment, but that I am sure Rosso's claim is odd.Battle Mage wrote:
actually thats a good point, which i hadnt thought of. If Rosso is telling the truth, i cannot be conventional mafia. I must either be Miller or Cult.WhoMe? wrote:
If you are telling truth about your role, and u got a guilty, then he is cult. Given that cult recruiter died N0, that seems unlikely, which would add weight to his actually being a miller, or am i missing something?Rosso Carne wrote:n0 i didnt have an inv.
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bm is basically scum hiding behind a miller, so he ought to be vigged. kthx.
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And I will make this point now. I will not be claiming today regardless of what farside does or does not post.
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Who says a vig has to kill every night? I thought they were only supposed to strike if they find someone scummy enough. And yes, this is usually without a claim.Nemesis wrote: The town effectively has 2 lynches... You are saying that asking the second person is just lynched without claiming.
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It would add weight to his miller claim, though there would still be a chance that he wqas recruited into cult night 0VanDamien wrote:Well crap, the new jobs been draining me. Here I am.
No, you're not.Battle Mage wrote:
even though if you are town, i am confirmed town?Rosso Carne wrote:when i die, please vig BM tonight and lynch XTom tomorrow. That is the word.
You really are stupid aren't you... >.>
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What is this your excuse for forgetting - that BM had claimed Miller or that you had performed a N0 investigation, it's crap either way.Rosso Carne wrote:*shrug*
why woudlnt i forget when i the cult recruiter died N0 too?
honeslty i threw one out randomly and got guilt on bm back. it sparked me.
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so meh, id rahter not e lynched, but ive given you all the brainpower i have. there are much better candidates than me in any case, and especially with a perfectly good PR claim. if i do die today, look hardat the people who just outright dismissed my claim right away please. theres your sucm.
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Rosso Carne wrote:that i had a n0. why would i remember if the cult was all dead.
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When you claimed initially, I went to the wiki and read the miller entry and it just said that a guilty is returned whnever a Cop investigates. Why should this not apply to a Cult Cop?ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Here's a hypothetical, vig says I'm going to target XBattle Mage wrote:
because it benefits us to know who she intends to take a pop at.Toaster Strudel wrote:
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cos it's just that simple.Battle Mage wrote:
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even more basic, as a claimed hider, he could justXtoxm wrote:Bm is starting to look scumming. If he is a hider I see no reason why he needs to know who Farside wants to vig and why he can't jsut hide behind her.not hideand thus be a less likely target than anyone he chose to hide behind. BM is going up my scum charts at the moment.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Easy answer, there was a NK last night, Lloyd was shotgunned, but I assume you mean why was there no scum NK last night soBattle Mage wrote: Whome, please answer the same question i posed to Andycyca.
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1. Scum chose not to target anyone to mess with our heads - I don't see this as being likely, doesn't offer much advantage to scum so lets say 5%
2. Scum targeted someone who was doc protected - say 30% requires doctor and scum to target same person
3. scum trigger man was roleblocked say 60% only requires roleblocker to correctly get
4. scum tried to kill you but you were hiding - i see this as unlikely as it assumes a) you're telling the truth, and b) the scum would come after you, which I also see as unlikely as you were firmly on the town radar. lets say 5%
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Possibly. The scum may be confident enough they're not on the radar, and the vig is just going to benefit them that they left her alone. But I take your point on board make it 60% doc save and 30% RB for last night in my pulled out of ass %'sXtoxm wrote:I think the chance is something more like ~90% scum killed F, and doc saved.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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He is right in saying that if Roso comes up Cult Cop, then BM can't be Mafia, but he could be cult or miller. which <> confirmed town by a long chalk.Xtoxm wrote: BM you ain't confirmed so stop saying it.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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I'm also having trouble with theBMas scum bit. All because of his voluntary Miller claim on D1.
We know he cannot be mafia scum, because there is no way Rosso could have gotten a guilty on him if he was.
If he is cult and knew he was on D1, why would he have claimed at all? We all knew the recruiter was dead, so a lone cult member in a sea of people wouldn't be too worried about being found.
So I believe he was definitely a miller at the time he claimed, the hair in the soup tho, is was he the delayed recruit? As was pointed out upstream, this is unlikely (though it cannot be entirely ignored)
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I think it's a good idea, as a confirmed townie BM will be invaluable. We will know not to lynch him, and his hiding ability will make it more difficult for scum groups with a NK to kill him. If on the other hand he is actually cult, then the vig kill will go through and we're downa scum. I don't see much of a downside here. If Farside had a solid lock on an actual scum, then I would say, sure, kill them first, but rather than risking offing another townie, confirming BM is a good choice.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:Is a good idea. Not sure using a vig on someone we definitely know is not in one group just to test the possibility that he's in the other is a good idea.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Every time I turn around there is another facet to BM's role that I have missed. Right, that's it, I'm off to reread all BM's posts.TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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Where are you getting this "can't hide consecutive days" from?TheSweatpantsNinja wrote:A confirmed BM will be dead, as he can't hide consecutive days.
Bolding mine, he says he can do it each nightBattleMage wrote:So far, you have failed to make ANY valid scenarios in which i would be scum, asking the RB not to target me. You've proven your own case invalid. Unfortunately you've rolefished to the extent that i have to now fully-claim. I'm not just a Miller. I'm a Miller cum Hider.Each night in order to protect myself, i can leave my house, and go stay with someone else, so if i am targetted by scum, i dont die, but if they target the guy im hiding with, then we both die. If I get Roleblocked, i wont be able to hide, and will probably die...ShowAs Town: 3/8
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In no way is BM the lynch for today. I would liek to see him vig targeted tonight, which would confirm him as a miller/hider if he survived, and would guarantee no blue on blue vig kill, a BM lynch would be nonsensical though.Toaster Strudel wrote:We're worried about a cultist, BM was guilty to the cult cop, we have a probable poisoner-cult, and we're not lynching BM.ShowAs Town: 3/8
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