Mini 508- Trouble in New Catania-Game Over

[Claus]

mod

can we get a S2 prod? I'd like to hear his opinions as well.

[Ythill]

I think scum are less likely to suggest a massclaim at this point, personally.

Why?

If you think Thok and Lowell are our scums, why not lynch Thok first?

I'm not opposed to it but we're not in any hurry, are we?

[Setael]

I think scum are less likely to suggest a massclaim at this point, personally. If you think Thok and Lowell are our scums, why not lynch Thok first?

I agree that scum wouldn't outright suggest a massclaim like you said. But that's not what Lowell did. He said:

I forget, what was everyone's thought on a massclaim?

That's not suggesting a massclaim. That's a subtle way of feeling out the town without committing.

Still haven't had a chance to reread.

[Lowell]

Okay then:

I hereby suggest a massclaim.

Now, what are everyone's thoughts? Particularly given our seeming lack of power roles, I'm not really sure why folks are so instinctively opposing this.

[Thesp]

Okay then:

I hereby suggest a massclaim.

Now, what are everyone's thoughts? Particularly given our seeming lack of power roles, I'm not really sure why folks are so instinctively opposing this.

I'm not sure why you're

for

it. Why is this a good idea?

[Claus]

Not opposing - I just don't see the benefit.

I think it will distract us from scumhunting more than anything else.

Talking about distracting, what do you think about Thok, Lowell? Do you support/oppose his lynch? Why?

[Ythill]

I'm not sure why you're for it.

Probably because you pointed out that suggesting a mass role-claim wasn't scummy and Seta said that seeking town opinion on the topic was.

Talking about distracting, what do you think about Thok, Lowell?

Excellent point, Claus.

Conversation seems to be lagging. Let's spice things up a bit...

Unvote; vote Thok

(which puts him @ L-1).

[Thok]

Yeah, I've played horribly this game. I'm not going to talk myself out of this, so

unvote, vote Thok

.

[The Fonz]

This nightscene, like the day which proceded it, isn't very long or complicated.

Thok was never the subtlest of Goons. He carried a violin case, despite no obvious musical talent, and was heard saying 'fuhgedabboudit' during conversations in Italian restaurants. Habits like this quickly gave him away, and Thok, like so many other cornered mafiosi, decided to take control of his own death. By the time the citizens had got the rope in place, he'd already swallowed the tiny cyanide capsule hidden in a filling, and felt nothing as he was raised in the air by his neck.

Thok,

Mafia Goon,

lynched day four.

It is now night. Choices by February 22nd, please.

[The Fonz]

It's a beautiful day in New Catania. The sun is shining, birds are singing in the trees, and everyone's in a good mood since, for the first time since the current hysteria began,

no one has died.

Fortunately for fans of old-school violence, it only took one ill-advised 'your mom' joke to whip the crowd back up into the usual lynch frenzy.

It is now day five. With six alive, it is four to lynch.

[Ythill]

Sweet. Scum swing two days in a row. I'm starting to feel like this game is in the bag.

It is now night. Choices by February 22nd, please.

Which gives us an anomoly. Since the day is starting up on the 21st, this means that the mafia no-kill was by design, not caused by inactivity. I've no experience in this area; why would the scum choose not to kill at this point? Is this a failed attempt to frame S2?

IMO, Thesp and Claus are above suspicion for now. I can't imagine scum bussing two buddies in a row and then not killing. I'd include myself here, but I already wasn't suspicious of me.

This leaves Lowell, Seta, and S2 as my suspects. Convenient that they were also my top three picks for Thok's scummbuddy. Also quite convenient that we have enough breathing room to test some theories.

vote: Lowell

[Setael]

I'm hoping the no kill was caused by a roleblocker. If so, we've got another scum bagged.

Is this a failed attempt to frame S2?

I don't understand that theory. How would a no kill implicate Someone2?

[Ythill]

I'm hoping the no kill was caused by a roleblocker. If so, we've got another scum bagged.

Good point, I hadn't thought of this. Hopefully we get a claim and another lynch then. It's also possible we have a town doc with an accurate night choice (who shouldn't claim).

Is this a failed attempt to frame S2?

I don't understand that theory. How would a no kill implicate Someone2?

It actually doesn't, but could have if the no-kill was withheld until tomorrow. S2 hasn't posted since February 1st, it's likely he's absconded and so wouldn't have sent in a NK. This would have been an effective framing technique if used with a little more patience.

However, a town power role is far more reasonable an explanation. Please excuse my dumbness.

Mod: Could we get a prod on someone2 and, if appropriate, a replacement?

[The Fonz]

Mod: Could we get a prod on someone2 and, if appropriate, a replacement?

He hasn't responded to the last one. Currently replacement hunting. (Would that be the last original player to go? Ah no, still got lowell).

[Claus]

Hey! I'm original! I just replaced away for a while.

Can't really post today, but I think the two scum lynches and the failed kill give us plenty
of room to get rid of Lowell.

Vote: Lowell

Will post more saturday.

[Thesp]

Last night was

awesome

.

Before we go lynching anyone, I would like to discuss the possibility of an invesitgative role claim only - that is, I'd like for everyone to claim if they are a cop, a roleblocker

who blocked someone last night

, or neither. The failed kill gives us some room to play here.

No one should claim if they are a doctor or not, and no one should claim to be a vanilla townie

. I also don't want anyone to claim either way unless there's some consensus on this.

What do you all think?

[Ythill]

Please explain why you think a cop should claim. I agree that if a roleblocker stopped the NK, he/she should claim, and I'm fine with posting a mass yes or no on this topic.

Might be in agreement with the cop/tracker/etc mass-claim but only if I understand how it will help us.

[Claus]

I don't have anything against a partial claim or mass claim.

Oh, and I'm going on a trip from sunday. I'll post my thoughts tomorrow, and then I'll be back only on wednesday. I'll most probably leave my vote on Lowell through.

[Thesp]

Please explain why you think a cop should claim. I agree that if a roleblocker stopped the NK, he/she should claim, and I'm fine with posting a mass yes or no on this topic.

There is an implied doctor/kill-stopper in the game that can prevent the cop from dying. Scum knows this. (There is the off-chance scum decided not to kill, but I consider this highly unlikely/worth the risk at this point.) There is a more awesome scenario if we have a successful RBer last night

and

a cop.

FYI - when/if a cop claims, they should not claim any investigations yet.

[Ythill]

Okay Thesp, I'm game.

While we're waiting for consensus on this, what are your current beliefs about our next lynch? I feel pretty safe in a bloc with you and Claus, at least for the time being.

[Setael]

I'd like for everyone to claim if they are a cop, a roleblocker who blocked someone last night, or neither.

No cop should claim until we know there is definitely a doc. The only part of this plan I agree with is having everyone say if they are a roleblocker who blocked someone last night or not. That way we'd find out if there is no roleblocker, which would tell us there is a doc. I think if there is a cop they should wait to claim until we're sure there's no roleblocker, which would mean there is definitely a doc that can protect them tonight.

[Ythill]

I think if there is a cop they should wait to claim until we're sure there's no roleblocker, which would mean there is definitely a doc that can protect them tonight.

I don't disagree, but be careful of your surety here. No RB does not "definitely" mean we have a doc. This claim strategy has revealed the one decent excuse for a purposeful mafia no-kill.

So far we have consensus on the mass RB-or-not claim but I suspect that a RB would have claimed already anyway. As would have a cop with a guilty result on a live player.

[Lowell]

I like Thesp's 565. Let's do it.

[Ythill]

That's agreement from everyone except S2, who is being replaced. Until we hear different from Seta, let's just stick to the RB part.

I do solemnly swear that I am not a roleblocker. Next...

[Thesp]

I am not a roleblocker, nor a cop with an immediate, game-ending investigation.