We have discerning scum/vig with refined tastes. I approve.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Haha we got rid of the annoying ones. Two birds, one stone, is that what you call it ?
Reason, the "semi-claim" was pretty obvious. It should have been obvious to ABR as well. He should have backed off instead of plowing ahead.DrippingGoofball wrote:vote: Albert B. Rampage
It's at times like these that I am awed by your genius. Can we give him a wedgie, too? And do we haaaaaave to let him live?Albert B. Rampage wrote:DG you're as crazy as me, what do you think of my idea ?
It's assembled according to the instruction manual. I'm aiming for my foot.Albert B. Rampage wrote:Surye, DG, you guys are strapped yet ?
Hahahaha, excuse me while I laugh.Dasquian wrote:I also recommend BM isn't totally stripped of guns since, if he's a vig, he's probably more competent at using them than the rest of us.
'Splain?Battle Mage wrote:Sarcastro is a good N0 kill for town and scum.
This alone might nail the case. I'm waiting on Primate's information before casting my vote.Dasquian wrote:- Guns are inconsistent with Sarcastro's flesh wounds caused by a knife
*reminder*DrippingGoofball wrote:Folks something doesn't add up. I followed skitzer, who left his home at night and tried to break into sideney's house. After he left sideney's house, I heard a shot in the street.
Don't believe everything you read in the paper, alignment-wise.
Well Surye if you want to pressure me, it's pointless if your don't list the "reasons" to give me an opportunity to blow them out of the water. Plus, check your notes, dang it, as the mayor you KNOW what I am.Surye wrote:Current belief: DGB is the last of the Sicilians (I think 3 is a likely number for each mob). I have a few reasons to back this up that I cannot yet reveal
I know what I freakin' saw. I saw him break into another player's house. Then he turns up vanilla??? Er, I don't think so. He's at least not vanilla. He's got some role where he's out at night. So the reveal is wrong, wrong, wrong.Surye wrote:Anyways, right now I think DGB needs a bit of pressure, as I don't buy her Death Miller argument she's been so insistent on.
I'm pleasantly surprised, these aren't crap reasons, I am re-assured that you are thinking things through.Surye wrote:Well, if you want to put it that way, fine, I suspect you are my corrupt cop, if I have one. 1) The first night you investigated a N1 kill, Flameaxe, which if you were mafia, you KNEW he would die, so you wouldn't be helping town, and you could look legitimate by giving a real, truthful, report. I was suspicious then, but it wasn't that strong. Then you did not submit a report last night, waited to see how the day would start, started dropping hints about armlx, and dayviged Das for a really really shallow reason. My guess is you "investigated" him last night, and found a rival, and was just waiting for a moment to strike, and look half justified, and look very town.
Surye wrote:My meta on skitzer says that he is just crazy enough to send a ??? action in which he tries to take the law into his hands.
I fully answered this question already. I was very justified to shoot Dasquian. My premise was completely faulty, but I didn't know that at the time.Natirasha wrote:Why did you shoot Dasqian? I understand he was scum and all, but...you shot him over nothing. Dude, I don't trust you.
Which is a very odd post, first, it's assuming, out of the clear blue sky, that I'm mafia, and then wanting to figure out which mafia? It's a semantic trap like "when did you stop beating your wife?"Natirasha wrote:So...I'm considering DGB not to be part of Albert's mafia, but I really don't want to get into WIFOM, which that is.
Any guesses on which mafia sydicate he's part of?
I was THAT sure that I was right, and that he was messing with me. That's how sure I was. Sure enough to shoot him down.Hjallti wrote:I also don't see any logic in Drippings' thinking.Were you expecting any?
I never read instructions.Hjallti wrote:The fact that she didn't believe the mod overrules the excuse she didn't get the '???'-action. I have to admit I had to ask myself what the ??? was about but it is on the first page.
Hjallti wrote:Shooting Dasquian was anyway not the reaction she should have as townie.
Surye, why on Earth would ANYONE investigate Dasquian???Surye wrote:My guess is you "investigated" him last night, and found a rival, and was just waiting for a moment to strike, and look half justified, and look very town.
I checked my PMs again, and the reason why I investigated skitzer was because you had asked me. And if you check your PM, you'll see that I said that I wasn't sure it wasn't going to go through because I expected to be sequestered at QB, which somehow I wasn't. Remember? So I just sent the order, and I did not ask for a report to be sent to you, because trivially, I forgot. I did receive more information than if I had sent the report, so that there is a tradeoff.Surye wrote:My meta on skitzer says that he is just crazy enough to send a ??? action in which he tries to take the law into his hands. Or do something.
Wow, how did I get a reputation for being that crazy??? Are there precedents of me vigging buddies in other games at least? If you believe that (and I don't think that you really do), then I should never, ever get lynched.Crub wrote:I originally thought this, but thinking about it further I wouldn't be surprised if DGB shot another member of her mafia.
I believe that Surye's argument (no guarantee that I understand it correctly) is that I did not investigate skitzer, but instead I investigated Dasquian, and found him guilty. So I "framed" skitzer the dead guy by saying he tried to break into the house of another dead guy, and shot Dasquian. Therefore I must be a corrupt cop.armlx wrote:SL: I'm not convinced either, just saying.....
And there would be no reason for DGB to bus one of her own like that, especially when they were under no suspicion.
Your theory that I am scum that killed an opposing scum group member pre-supposes that I somehow knew that Dasquian belonged to said opposing scum group. I'm sure if you try, you can fabricate far-fetched scenarios where that might be possible.Surye wrote:No, I offered that as an idea, but I don't believe you investigated Das, just stating it was a possibility. My case against you doesn't require that.
If you believe I didn't know, then why would my shooting down Dasquian implicate me with the opposing scumgroup??? I did get incredibly lucky through the thick fog of my own misunderstanding, that's for sure...Surye wrote:You didn't have to know das was scum, you may have gotten lucky.
How can you say that, when YOU KNOW who I investigated Night 0???Surye wrote:Or maybe you investigated him night 0,
Since you KNOW I was out investigating, why are you imagining that I would have killed Flameaxe?Surye wrote:killed Flameaxe, and reported flameaxe innocent.
How can they be opportunistic, AND looking very town???Surye wrote:No matter how you spin it, EVERY play you've made in this game has been oppurtunistic,all of them looking very town, but often not actualy helping the town (though killing scum was nice).
I cannot do this. I'm sure the other investigators do not have such a choice either. I do not send the report. The report is sent by the Mod.Surye wrote:I know who you REPORTED, not who you investigated. You could have EASILY sent in a false report.
What??? What's wrong with you, Surye? If you weren't mayor, I would totally call you out for being scum.Surye wrote:Easy, do and say town things that are too late to be useful.Surye wrote:No matter how you spin it, EVERY play you've made in this game has been oppurtunistic,all of them looking very town, but often not actualy helping the town (though killing scum was nice).DGB wrote:How can they be opportunistic, AND looking very town???
Surye wrote:1) How do I know that's how reports work?
Because I've never been asked to write up a report for you. I only specify whether you are copied on it, or not.
2) How do you think a corrupt cop role would work?Please DGB, I ask you to specifically address this question.As you saying you can't forge a report as corrupt cop is idiotic, and it sounds like you're trying to confuse the point. You're convincing me more and more.
I have no clue. Anything is possible. What is strange is that you're picking me out as corrupt cop because I killed a scum, and you think I knew Dasquian was scum because I investigated him, which is preposterous, since there really was no hint of Dasquian being a scum candidate whatsoever.
What is wrong with you... you KNOW who I investigated, how is this at once truthful (which you know) and cannot possibly be opportunistic (I can't help he was bloody nightkilled!)? How is that opportunistic? Unfortunate, but opportunistic?Surye wrote:Lets see, examples of being opportunistic AND looking very town:
- Return an investigation that is truthful.Town
- Know the results would be useless by the time town gets it (since the investigated is dead.Opportunistic
Again, why on Earth would I investigate Dasquian, of all players? And why would I just shoot him instead of announcing I have a guilty result, and make up a story that makes me look even stupider than my reputation suggests?Surye wrote: - Shoot scum.Town
- Know from previous night it was opposing scum.Opportunistic
This has got to be the first time that someone suggests that I am not, in fact, at least as dumb as I look.Surye wrote:The main reason my suspicious remain getting stronger is that she is playing dumb, I cannot believe she keeps missing my point, and can keep making such non-sequitor arguments.
No... the number of improbably events required for you to be right is just too large to make it even remotely likely.Surye wrote:My ideas are not that farfetched, and DGB's repeated and apparent refusal to comprehend my point is making them much more likely.
But last night, you were not even supposed to have received a report, because I did not ask for one to be sent. If somehow you got one, it would have been that skitzer, whom I investigated at your behest, was innocent.Surye wrote:Assume you are corrupt cop for a moment.
If you send in a report, would the contents be something that I could trust? Or would the contents likely be manipulated or forged in order to further your cause? Your point and defense is that I know what you did based on your report. This is begging the question, because trusting your report assumes I trust you are the cop. You cannot prove you are not the corrupt cop because I can trust your report. It's a very simple logical fallacy.
Because these other cops haven't taken the initiative to directly kill a scum from your team? Could be.Surye wrote:... but how do you explain that the cops that gave me those reports have not raised a red flag? Or do you think they are mafia too? Think there are 5+ in one team? Sorry, that doesn't make any sense.
Surye wrote:(1) This is not what I said, I agreed you probably did not investigate Das N1, but could have easily N0. This is my current idea for a while now, keep up. -But you got a report from my investigation on Night 0.
(2) See above, he would have seemed neither town nor scum N0, so this point is irrelevant. -That is HUGELY far fetched. This is the most far fetched conspiracy theory I've ever seen.
(3) This assertion is counter point to your own (1). -The MOD sends the report. I don't write them. Natirisha doesn't write them, either. I don't know about the rest, but that's two of us that don't.
(4) This is a good point. -No kidding.
How many powers do you think I have?Surye wrote:If you investigated Das, killed Flameaxe, and reported Flameaxe innocent, he could have been from an opposite scum team, and you would have revealed to have been a liar right off the bat. That chance is too great for this scenario to be plausible after some more thought.
My vote on you, stays. I know you won't be lynched, so it's largely symbolic. You have severely undermined my confidence about your alignment being town. You have convinced me, by your illogical vendetta over my killing of a Corsican Scumbag, that you may be a dirty mayor. I'm not sure how I am going to ever shake that off.Surye wrote:All in all, I think my original argument has sufficient flaws after attempting to defend it, but it still rubs me the wrong way the WAY she was defending it, completely ignoring most of what I was saying, and arguing points that were not even what I was saying. Maybe it was missunderstanding. I still think I was being quite clear.
Anyways,Unvotefor now as we have bigger fish to fry as long as DGB is all bound up.
SF has been replaced in another game. Maybe he needs replacing here too.armlx wrote:SL is at the top of the list, then Hjallti, then Crub/Awesome, then Sensfan, then Sykedoc at the bottom IMHO.
Vote SL
Except for the corrupt cop himself, do we even know in what way he'd be corrupt? Maybe corrupt cop doesn't mean the ability to falsify records.Surye wrote:You're an idiot, that's got to be it now. I don't care what you sent me, the corrupt cop role would be able to send false reports, period.
First off, I apparently am in a masonic friendship with Nat and we can daytalk, though I have yet to hear from her.Surye wrote:We need to hear from DGB ASAFP.
Probably just a mistake, but nice to double-check.armlx wrote:Nothing really odd with that.