Newbie 764 - Game Over

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

You awaken to the hustle and bustle of your home town’s daily activity. Little did you know that the peaceful quiet of your normal, everyday life would come crashing down today. It seems that one of your fellow citizens has angered the Mob, and has paid for it with his life! What are you going to do? Why, you’re going to get your peaceful, little town back, that’s what…

Your job, fair citizens of the town’s Ruling Council, is to discover who among you belong to the Mafia and summarily lynch them. Two of your fellow Council members are working for the Mafia - find them before they take over the Council and the town!

Living Players (1)

-

Confirmed players are in bold.

Ojanen

*

indicates

IC

player.

The ICs are here to help you learn to play the game. Their play is governed by the wiki article Being a good IC.

Dead Players (8)

Japles

,

Mafia Goon

, lynched Day 1

Chaos40

,

Townie

, killed Night 1

Kairyuu *

,

Townie

, lynched Day 2

Sando

(replaced iMuse77 during confirmation),

Townie

, killed Night 2

Starbuck

(replaced Millar13, Bekkatha, Taranski during confirmation),

Townie

, lynched Day 3

Infinis

,

Townie

, killed Night 3

semioldguy

(replaced Josh Lyman),

Townie

, lynched Day 4

Korts *

,

Townie

, killed in Endgame

Ojanen

won the game for the

Mafia

team!!

Game Links

Day 1 Lynch | Day 2 Lynch | Day 3 Lynch | Day 4 Lynch

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Game Rules:

General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote private Moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
   
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.
   
3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.
   
4. Roles with Night actions will not be able to submit an action on Night 0 (i.e. during the confirmation stage).
   
5. Any player with a Night action may instead submit a “No Action” PM to let the Mod know that you do not want to perform your expected action that Night phase.
   
6. In order for all players to play at least one game day this game will start with a Day phase. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
   
7. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 48 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. A simple majority of all living members must agree on one person for a Lynch to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down).
   
2. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate.
   
3. Please submit votes as:
   Vote: PlayerName
   .
   Votes will NOT be counted otherwise!
   
   
4. Please submit vote revocations as either
   UnVote: PlayerName
   or
   Unvote
   . Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
   
5. You may
   Vote: No Lynch
   - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a Lynch.
   
6. At deadline, ½ the original number of votes will be required for a lynch. In the case of a tie, the person who first received the required number of votes will be lynched. If this number is not met, a No Lynch will occur.
   There will be no reduced number of votes in LyLo.
   
   
7. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until I post a death scene; the lynched player may not post during twilight but all other living players may continue to post.
   
8. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post except for a brief “Bah!”-type post.

Miscellaneous/Mechanics:

1. Red
   or
   Purple
   text is reserved for the Mod. No invisible/small text is allowed.
   
2. Votecounts will be posted once per page or once per day, whichever is less.
   
3. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please PM the Mod privately. Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
   
4. The Mod may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently. Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed. These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
   
5. Please bold all requests to the Mod so that they don’t get missed.
   
   
6. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request or after 4 days of no activity. A prodded player has 48 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to replacement without further notice.
   
7. Rules violations will be dealt with according to their severity, up to and including a Modkill. Modkills may be accompanied by a change to day/night.
   
8. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.
   Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun! Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game.

Helpful Links:

• Main Wiki Page
  
• Newbie Guide
  
• Frequently Asked Questions
  
• Commonly Used Abbreviations
  
• Mafia Theory

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

The F11 setup is the current game format used in Newbie games. To prevent the development of game-breaking strategies, these Newbie Games are Semi-Open, wherein the actual game setup is randomly chosen from one of four possible setups as detailed below:

• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Sane Cop, 1 Sane Doctor, 5 Townies
  
• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Townies
  
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Cop, 6 Townies
  
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Sane Doctor, 6 Townies

If either of the first two setups are in play, and the situation occurs where the Goon is lynched first, the Roleblocker will still be able to submit both night kills and roleblocks (roleblocking is a function of the Roleblocker; night kills are a function of the scum team as a whole).

These are the Role PMs that have potentially been sent to the players:

Mafia-Aligned players:

Mafia Goon:

You are a member of the Mafia along with your partner,

name

. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.

• During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies, and attempt to get someone lynched.
  
• During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via PM) and choose another player in the town to kill that night.
  
• You may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened. Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  
• You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

Mafia Roleblocker:

You are a member of the Mafia along with your partner,

name

. Since your plot to quietly overtake the town has failed, you will attempt take it by force by eliminating the others until you outnumber the populace.

• During the day, try to blend in with the normal Townies, and attempt to get someone lynched.
  
• As a Roleblocker, you have the ability to distract any player throughout the night, effectively negating their night ability, if they have one.
  
• Send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to block. If they have a Night action, it will have no effect. You will not be informed as to whether your roleblock worked or not.
  
• During the NIGHT cycle ONLY, you may talk with your fellow Mafia (via PM) and choose another player in the town to kill that night.
  
• You may communicate privately with your fellow Mafia up until the game thread is opened. Once the game begins, all outside communication must cease until the night cycle.
  
• You win when the number of Mafia equals or exceeds the number of remaining Town players, whether you survive to the end or not.

Town-Aligned players:

Townie:

You are a normal townsperson, trying to make a living and survive this insanity.

• You have no abilities at Night other than getting a good night's rest.
  
• Although you do not have any special abilities, your voice and vote are powerful weapons in their own right. Use them to your best advantage!
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

Cop:

You are the local law enforcement, and can tell the good guys from the bad.

• Each NIGHT, you may send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to investigate.
  
• The Moderator will inform you as to that person’s guilt or innocence.
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• In a Newbie game, you will always get a correct result (no sanity issues).
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

Doctor:

You are the local physician, and can protect people from harm.

• Each NIGHT, you may send the moderator a PM with your choice of player that you want to protect.
  
• If someone attempts to kill that player during the Night, they will be spared.
  
• You may not protect yourself.
  
• At no time may you privately communicate with any other player.
  
• In a Newbie game, your protection target will always live through the night (no quacks).
  
• You win when all the Mafia players are gone, whether you survive to the end or not.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

Getting replacements for iMuse77 and Taranski from the Queue. Everyone else may get started.

NOTE: This game has fixed 3-week deadlines. Use the time wisely!

Game on!

[Korts]

Hi!

I'll be your IC (Inexperience Challenged, meaning I have a couple games under my belt) for this game. I hope you'll enjoy your time with us.

A couple notes of interest: there is a link to the mafia wiki at the top of your page. Feel free to browse and read; however, I advise you not to take every article word for word, some of the things discussed there may be out of date or subjective. Meta changes relatively fast on MafiaScum.

I specifically suggest you read the Commonly Used Abbreviations article. You will find many phrases that will pop up in in-game discussion.

Otherwise, play fair, and try not to get personal. If you have any questions, turn to me, Kairyuu (the other IC), or the mod, and we will help you.

[Korts]

On that note;

vote: Infinis

Familiar faces deserve proper greeting.

[Ojanen]

Hello.

vote: Josh Lyman

Because West Wing is awesome.

[Chaos40]

Evenin' all. Nice to meet you all. First off, random numbers tell me to

vote Ojanen

[Kairyuu]

Hello all, I'll be your other IC for this game. Any questions you have just ask me and/or Korts and we'll answer them to the best of out ability.

Random vote: Chaos40

for being the last person to post before me.

@Korts: Hiya! Long time no see.

@Chaos: Why use random numbers to determine your vote? Using a RNG (assuming you did) takes the responsibility for the vote off of yourself, and therefore renders it useless in advancing the game.

[Chaos40]

@Chaos: Why use random numbers to determine your vote? Using a RNG (assuming you did) takes the responsibility for the vote off of yourself, and therefore renders it useless in advancing the game.

Well, seeing as it's so early in the game. I really have nothing else to base my vote on. Once the game progresses and discussion develops I will have more solid arguments and evidence to use as a basis.

[Korts]

Hi Kairyuu.

Chaos, it is important that any vote that is designed to make discussion out of nothing be

arbitrary

and not

random

. Make up something. Have a reason, any reason. Just make sure it isn't random, because random votes have nothing that can spark discussion.

Also Kairyuu, I hatehatehate when somebody states explicitly that their "random" vote is random. It takes away the point of the vote. The only reason I can see for you to that is because you want to diminish the responsibilities associated with voting, and as town you should have no reason to.

unvote, vote: Kairyuu

[Kairyuu]

@Korts: Hmm. So giving a reason such as "because West Wing is awesome" amounts to more than a random vote, and explicitly stating that it is random is somehow different than using a reason such as that?

Personally, the random phase bothers me, especially if it last for an overly long time (and I'm very impatient). I participate because it's the 'in' thing to do, and somewhat amusing, but I will generally try to cut it off as quickly as possible.

@Chaos:

Once the game progresses and discussion develops I will have more solid arguments and evidence to use as a basis.

Any reason you can't try to get the discussion going yourself? Why is it that you need to wait for other people to start the discussion.

[Chaos40]

@Chaos: Quote:
Once the game progresses and discussion develops I will have more solid arguments and evidence to use as a basis.



Any reason you can't try to get the discussion going yourself? Why is it that you need to wait for other people to start the discussion.

I admit that I did little to initate discussion, but as the posts above mine were little more than abitrary votes themselves, I didn't have much to build upon, and whilst I was unsure as to how to begin discussion, it certainly seems to have begun as a reaction to my random vote. But as I don't have any reason (even an abitrary one) to let my vote linger on someone who has yet to post, I'll

Unvote

[Ojanen]

waves to Chaos40

Here I am. I actually posted already, just above your first post, though I admit my opening didn't really amount to any content and is thus forgettable.
Still, attentiveness is good.

I found Korts's accusation of Kairyuu to be fabricated from air, although I appreciate the effort to get the conversation going. The vote itself was actually accompagned with an arbitrary reason (voting for the person before him). Or perhaps our definitions of arbitrary differ, Korts (random=no reason, arbitrary=meaningless reason)?

[Chaos40]

Sorry about that, completely missed that. Well my reason still stands. No one's done anything to warrant my vote so I'll leave it off anyone for now.

[Sando]

/confirm

Off to work, will post later tonight, but wont be for at least 12+ hours.

p.s. am i meant to confirm as a replacement?

[Korts]

@Chaos: Quote:
Once the game progresses and discussion develops I will have more solid arguments and evidence to use as a basis.



Any reason you can't try to get the discussion going yourself? Why is it that you need to wait for other people to start the discussion.

I admit that I did little to initate discussion, but as the posts above mine were little more than abitrary votes themselves, I didn't have much to build upon, and whilst I was unsure as to how to begin discussion, it certainly seems to have begun as a reaction to my random vote. But as I don't have any reason (even an abitrary one) to let my vote linger on someone who has yet to post, I'll

Unvote

The thing about theory-related discussion is that it doesn't actually help scumhunting, since a lot of the stances that can be taken are entirely subjective and not a scumtell either way.

I found Korts's accusation of Kairyuu to be fabricated from air, although I appreciate the effort to get the conversation going. The vote itself was actually accompagned with an arbitrary reason (voting for the person before him). Or perhaps our definitions of arbitrary differ, Korts (random=no reason, arbitrary=meaningless reason)?

No, you misread me. What I was saying is that Kairyuu explicitly stated that he was random voting when it was clear that he was, as evidenced by the following quote:

Random vote: Chaos40

for being the last person to post before me.

[Vel-Rahn Koon]

/confirm

Off to work, will post later tonight, but wont be for at least 12+ hours.

p.s. am i meant to confirm as a replacement?

It's a confirmation replacement. Effectively you're starting this game from scratch so technically it's not a replacement in the traditional sense.

[Infinis]

OMGUS

vote: Korts

unvote

vote Kairyuu

hate double U words

[Ojanen]

No, you misread me. What I was saying is that Kairyuu explicitly stated that he was random voting when it was clear that he was, as evidenced by the following quote:

Random vote: Chaos40

for being the last person to post before me.

Oh. So you mean spelling out the word "random" can be a subtle means to psychologically undermine the process of voting, even though we're in this beginning stage of the game?

[Josh Lyman]

Vote: Ojanen

because s/he thinks West Wing is that cool.

Also, because s/he posted immediately prior to me.

Also, I'm going out of town tomorrow unexpectedly (Monday) so I won't be back till Tuesday morning.

[Japles]

Vote: Korts

Yay mafia game!

[Chaos40]

Vote: Japles

After the discussion we've been having concerning the disadvantages of votes with no reasoning, you offer no explanation for your initial vote. Mind explaining?

[Bekkatha]

OMGUS

vote: Korts

unvote

vote Kairyuu

hate double U words

uhm... what? I'm really confused about what just happened... care to explain?

[Sando]

Also Kairyuu, I hatehatehate when somebody states explicitly that their "random" vote is random. It takes away the point of the vote. The only reason I can see for you to that is because you want to diminish the responsibilities associated with voting, and as town you should have no reason to.

No, you misread me. What I was saying is that Kairyuu explicitly stated that he was random voting when it was clear that he was, as evidenced by the following quote:

Kairyuu wrote:
Random vote: Chaos40 for being the last person to post before me.

I would have to agree with Kairyuu and others, this seems pretty semantic from Korts claiming that the random vote isn't random. I don't think anyones vote has been completely random, they've all picked someone for silly yet non-random reasons.

That said, it does start conversation, and jumping on someone for such a meaningless reason would seem like something more designed to promote discussion than throw suspicion away from themselves. Seems to have worked too...

Japles 'random' vote for Korts, without any reasoning, silly or not, after the only discussion so far has been about justification for vote, seems either very poorly thought out or just trying to fit in with everyone else.

Doesn't seem that much has happened while I was at work though.